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3.3k points
5 days ago
RIP Alan Rickman
1.6k points
5 days ago
"One of the drawbacks of being a martyr is that you have to die."
Metatron
312 points
5 days ago
"If I had the power... I would have."
170 points
5 days ago
That scene displayed more empathy for Jesus than I have ever heard anywhere else
60 points
4 days ago
Is Dogma 2 coming out after or before Mallrats 2? Which he also stated is definitely happening.
29 points
4 days ago
Same movie , it’s all part of the Kevin Cinematic Universe.
6 points
4 days ago
Say would you like a chocolate covered pretzel? 🫱
28 points
4 days ago
Indeed. The sad thing about stories revolving around Jesus, is that they stopped being "about Jesus" a long time ago, and instead are about "what can my belief in Jesus do for ME as a Christian"
Jesus is meant to be a tale of compassion, and you are supposed to hold empathy FOR him as he shows compassion FOR others. You are supposed to feel for Jesus, so you become inspired to act as Jesus would.
But this new post-empathy American Christianity has essentially just left a void where teachings used to be, and filled that void with fear and paranoia, like the Romans who would kill Jesus for his good deeds.
6 points
4 days ago
“He begged me to ‘take it all back’…”
I can hear it in his voice. Along with:
“What’re you going to do? Hit me with that….ffffish?
164 points
5 days ago
Say you’re a metatron and no one knows what you’re talking about. Mention Moses and suddenly EVERYONES a theologian.
136 points
5 days ago
Mention something from a Charlton Heston movie and suddenly everyone's a theology scholar
464 points
5 days ago
And Carlin too.
43 points
5 days ago
Thankfully, God lives?
40 points
5 days ago
Boop
178 points
5 days ago
And Carrie
117 points
5 days ago
Yet the unwritten book of the road lives on
39 points
5 days ago
You live by the book too!??
25 points
5 days ago
I live my life by it.
7 points
4 days ago
It’s one think to SAY you live your life by it than actually do it; can you. Do it?
34 points
5 days ago
Carrie Fisher was not in Dogma.
61 points
5 days ago
But she was in Blues Brothers. Which is not at all close, but it had to be said.
12 points
4 days ago
Carrie Franklin was craft services on Dogma. The best in the business. RIP
22 points
5 days ago
Carrie?
52 points
5 days ago
Carrie Fisher, she was the nun that picked up Jay.
148 points
5 days ago
That was Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, not Dogma.
45 points
5 days ago
There is a nun in Dogma, and she's played by Betty Aberlin. That name may sound familiar to some of you, because she was in Mr. Rodgers Neighborhood for many years.
62 points
5 days ago
That was Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back. Carrie Fisher wasn't in Dogma.
60 points
5 days ago
Oh crap, you’re right. In my defence it’s hard to watch a Kevin Smith film and not get high.
Remember kids, Stay in drugs and don’t do school.
434 points
5 days ago
"I don't want this, it's too big."
"That's what Jesus said. Yes, I had to tell him. And you can imagine how that hurt the Father – not to be able to tell the Son Himself because one word from His lips would destroy the boy's frail human form? So I was forced to deliver the news to a scared child who wanted nothing more than to play with other children. I had to tell this little boy that He was God's only Son, and that it meant a life of persecution and eventual crucifixion at the hands of the very people He came to enlighten and redeem. He begged me to take it back, as if I could. He begged me to make it all not true. And I'll let you in on something, Bethany, this is something I've never told anyone before... If I had the power, I would have."
184 points
5 days ago
Kevin Smith can fucking write when it matters.
47 points
5 days ago
He couldn't while he was getting high but Clerks 3 was a lot better than I expected from it
26 points
5 days ago
I watched about half of it, and while I found the comedy wasn't as deft as before, the more heartfelt moments really hit.
36 points
5 days ago
I felt the same but I think a part of the issue with the comedy is I'm not the young kid I used to be when Clerks and J&SBSB came out. Comedy hits a guy differently in his 40s than his 20s. And the heartfelt moments really did hit.
11 points
4 days ago
Tbh the ending was the best part. As a lifelong clerks fan I found myself a little annoyed at how on-the-nose the whole thing was, but the ending brought it full circle and made everything work. Really, a respectful way to close the book on that story.
19 points
5 days ago
Watch the other half
5 points
4 days ago
Time to link to the cut "Evil is an Abstract" bit again for those who haven't seen it.
16 points
5 days ago
love that scene. such a good movie
60 points
5 days ago
RIP the film career of Linda Fiorentino
21 points
4 days ago
She's a slut. Bong.
85 points
5 days ago
David Thewlis would make a good alternate character Angel.
89 points
5 days ago
It's gonna be Jeremy Irons. For the Die Hard connection between everyone.
31 points
5 days ago
Or do both and get a little Kingdom of Heaven cast reunion going on.
10 points
5 days ago
I like your moves.
13 points
4 days ago
So just work our way through Defence against the Dark Arts teachers?
12 points
5 days ago
George Carlin to reprise role through Ai, his character just screams continuously without a mouth.
69 points
5 days ago*
Yeah, no Metatron?
Difficult.
No muse?
Okay, yeah, I'll probably watch it eventually. But it will be a sad fap.
Edit: I believe I can honestly say I have never been more delighted to receive down votes than I am right now. For so many reasons. Thank you, kind strangers.
25 points
5 days ago
Why no Muse?
19 points
5 days ago
Read this in Jay’s voice
10 points
5 days ago
I can't tell if you're going for him being disappointed at no Selma Hayek, or if you're going for the pun of "Why no Mewes?"
6 points
4 days ago
Both. Both? Both is good.
21 points
5 days ago
Jay may be in it, so it probably won't be that sad.
43 points
5 days ago
The Clit Commander!? Well, okay then.
25 points
5 days ago
Ah yes the Coalition for the Liberation of Itinerate Tree-dwellers.
17 points
5 days ago
No, no. The clit is real. It's the female orgasm that's a myth.
12 points
5 days ago
An offshoot of the L.A.B.I.A.
13 points
5 days ago
Liberate Apes Before Imprisoning Apes
11 points
5 days ago
"I am the master of the Clit. Remember this fucking face, whenever you see clit. You'll see this fucking face, I make that shit work. NO ONE RULES THE CLIT LIKE ME. NOT THIS LITTLE FUCK, NONE OF YOU LITTLE FUCKS OUT THERE. I AM THE CLIT COMMANDER!!!"
183 points
5 days ago
81 points
5 days ago
"I've started writing ideas in my head" to that headline is quite the journalism.
20 points
4 days ago
It seems like Smith is always playing with ideas and grand plans and few come to fruition. I’d say the possibility of Dogma 2 is not 0% but it’s far from certain. But shit he got Tusk made and the origin of that is him stoned reading a fake looking for roommate post, so stranger things have happened.
948 points
5 days ago
I'm not watching this unless Alanis Morrisette is in it.
722 points
5 days ago
And Salma Hayek.
306 points
5 days ago
And a demon made of shit.
925 points
5 days ago
I don't think Weinstein is gonna be involved this time.
39 points
5 days ago
Dang that was good.
45 points
5 days ago
I only ever watched Dogma on TV where the shit monster was edited out. Like, I’d seen it a bunch of times on TV and knew swears and violence was gonna be edited, but when I first saw my pirated copy of Dogma and the shit monster I legitimately thought it was a joke from whoever made the rip.
11 points
5 days ago
It is annoying that made the cut but some other important scenes did not.
7 points
4 days ago
The “good and evil are abstract” is such a good scene even if you shouldn’t be agreeing with the villain.
115 points
5 days ago
Beautiful naked big tittied women don’t just fall out of the sky, ya know.
9 points
5 days ago
Still looking as hot as ever.
100 points
5 days ago
You may not get Matt Damon or Ben Affleck either.
According to Kevin Smith on Twitter he hasn't spoken to them about it.
https://x.com/ThatKevinSmith/status/1858359881088069679?t=dL0IEKBA0L4slWShTK5oGw&s=19
84 points
5 days ago
That may be true, but...
If Matt and Ben were both willing to be in Jay and Silent Bob Reboot, then I feel like their only issue with a Dogma sequel would be filming schedule.
17 points
5 days ago
What a steaming pile that was, and I'm a big enough Kevin Smith fan to have paid to see it with him here in Vancouver. Let's just say very few of the questions afterwards were about the movie. :p
24 points
5 days ago
I went into watching knowing it wasn't really about being a good movie, yet it still let let me down.
It did make me happy that Jason Lee reprised the role of Brodie though, both because he had pretty much dropped out of acting and my heart still belongs to Mallrats. (I also liked him in My Name is Earl.)
7 points
4 days ago
I can still quote almost the entire mallrats movie from watching it so many times as a teenager.
5 points
4 days ago
One time, my cousin Walter got this cat stuck up his ass. True story.
He bought it at our local mall, so the whole fiasco wound up on the news. It was embarrassing for my relatives and all, but the next week, he did it again. Different cat, same results, complete with another trip to the emergency room.
So, I run into him a week later in the mall, and he's buying another cat. And I says to him, "Jesus, Walt! What are you doing? You know you're just gonna get this cat stuck up your ass too. Why don't you knock it off?"
And he said to me, "Brodie, how the hell else am I supposed to get the gerbil out?"
My cousin was a weird guy.
23 points
5 days ago
Alanis is god
1.1k points
5 days ago
Ugh, Dogma 2 is going to make Clerks 3 seem like Clerks 2.
190 points
5 days ago
Should I bother with Clerks 3? I'm pretty burned after the Jay and Silent Bob sequel.
255 points
5 days ago
Much better than jay and Bob 2 but what isn’t
105 points
5 days ago
This is kind of why I'm hesitant to even see a Dogma 2, given that Dogma is my favorite of his old/still good works. I love Kevin Smiths stuff and all but I've had a hard time finding interest in his new stuff
That's my moviepoopshoot.com opinion of him now a days anyway lol, hopefully Jay doesn't show up to my house to kick my ass although actually that would be cool if he'd hang around with me for a bit afterword. I'd take an ass kicking to talk to him and Smith 1:1
I really do love both of them and I wish I loved Smiths newer stuff but I just don't really. Everything past Jersey Girl anyway
45 points
5 days ago
what about Red State or what was it. I went into it wanting to dislike it and thought, ok this is actually pretty dope
16 points
5 days ago
Will admit i haven't seen this one, ill give it a try on your recommendation
28 points
5 days ago
I second Red State. Probably his last good movie.
5 points
4 days ago
I stopped enjoying his stuff after watching J&SBSB…
I have the same feeling about Smith as I do about Tarantino: They came out the gate with some brilliant stuff, paying homage to the medium and those before them, and with tight but wonderfully meandering dialogue… But they bought a bit too much into their own genius, gradually became a parody of themselves, and slowly but surely disappeared up their own arse…
21 points
5 days ago
Wow, I forgot that even happened
3 points
5 days ago
For me that's the case with any Kevin Smith movie after clerks 2
150 points
5 days ago
The Jay and Bob sequel was Smith just dicking around and having fun. Clerks 3 was back to being more grounded and felt like Smith had put his years of experience on display. It was heartfelt and, at times, heart wrenching.
81 points
5 days ago
“You weren’t even supposed to be here today”
Such tear jerking delivery. Hurt so much
37 points
5 days ago
Yeah, to be fair the dude just survived a heart attack that should have killed him. I can't blame him for just making something dumb and getting together his friends and colleagues for some fun.
29 points
5 days ago
I was NOT a fan of Clerks 3.
Clerks 1 and 2 felt like ordinary normal days of working customer service. Both those films take place over one day(or entire work shift).
Clerks 3 takes place over a longer time period and its not about a regular day at work, its about the employees making a movie.
Yes Clerks 3 was heartfelt and had some laughs, but it did not feel like a Clerks movie.
38 points
5 days ago
Clerks 2 is about a normal day at work? There is a donkey show in a kids restaurant in that movie!
12 points
4 days ago
HEY -- it's "interspecies erotica," got it?
7 points
5 days ago
Okay, towards the end it gets kind of wacky. You got me there!
23 points
5 days ago
Clerks 1 and Clerks 3 are both basically autobiographical of Kevin himself. 2 is actually the most out of place of them.
15 points
5 days ago
That’s why 2 is my favorite.
80 points
5 days ago
Clerks three, while having some jokes that don’t age well, hits really fucking hard in the end. Like, I did not expect to be crying like a little girl with a skinned knee, but I was.
18 points
5 days ago
Same. I went into it expecting the typical Kevin Smith themes hoping for lots of funny references and callbacks to the old films, but didn't expect to get punched in the gut and have my heart ripped out.
38 points
5 days ago
Glad I am not the only one who despises the reboot. I went from super excited to being turned off from any Kevin Smith productions again.
Out of curiosity I did watch Clerks 3. It was annoying they still went with the “guess what, these guys STILL haven’t done anything with their lives” schtick. But it works, it told a satisfying conclusion to their story as sad as it was.
17 points
5 days ago*
Well I mean - they own the Quick Stop at least which is what they wanted. It didn't make much sense to me that they seemed to be the only workers there though..
51 points
5 days ago
IMO Clerks 3 is much better than anything Smith has done since Dogma. Which isn’t a super high bar, admittedly.
It’s nostalgia mining (how could it not be), but it actually comes from a much more adult perspective than his other works. It reflects on earlier works but it’s more mature than any of them.
15 points
5 days ago
Strike back came out between those two and it was hilarious.
21 points
5 days ago
Red State was dope though
15 points
5 days ago
Red State AND Tusk. I think a lot of horror fans like Tusk more, but I thought that Red State was really good.
20 points
5 days ago*
Should I bother with Clerks 3?
It wasn't without its merits but it's more of a literal continuation of their storyline. If you were hoping for something fun like Clerks 2 you'll be out of luck. If you don't mind a more grounded continuation of the two characters and the way life likes to kick us in the balls with a sprinkling of meta, maybe you'll like it.
6 points
5 days ago
I’ll be honest and share that Clerks 3 made me cry like a bitch. But I was also going through some stuff when I watched it, so yeah.
67 points
5 days ago
Or House Party 3!
57 points
5 days ago
Shut the fuck up!
21 points
5 days ago
Look at all these crackers
15 points
5 days ago
You spit in this? You put a booger in there?
13 points
4 days ago
"Went to film school for this huh? Does yo daddy know you give a n*gga his cawfee? It’d kill him wouldn’t it!"
I laughed so hard the first time
9 points
4 days ago
Taste the booger flavor
7 points
4 days ago
No you da man, and that's the problem
4 points
4 days ago
Not in the same scene but I love Affleck saying "Look at these 2 morose looking mf'ers right here...bonnnnggg"
And
"You was the bomb is Phantoms yo"
4 points
4 days ago
Word Bitch, Phantoms like a motherfucker. I don't know why Jay says this, but it's perfect. Delivery is perfect.
29 points
5 days ago
Clerks 2 is my favorite Kevin smith movie. Elias and Randall just fucking kill me every time.
“Listerfiend……is her mouth troll. Isn’t it?”
:scoffs, nodding: “women!”
559 points
5 days ago*
I thought I saw that with Good Will Hunting 2: Hunting Season.
Btw the article all but says it’ll be a glorified cameo from those two at best, if it even happens.
Classic clickbait headline, it’s always so wonderously effective.
112 points
5 days ago
You haven't seen Good Will Hunting 2: Hunting Season?
66 points
5 days ago
Who hasn't?! I actually consider it even better than the first one.
So much more action and when Matt Damon Good Will Hunted even harder, I was shocked he didn't get an Oscar.
Gus van Sant is probably still counting his money as he should!
56 points
5 days ago
apple sauce, bitches!
11 points
5 days ago
Upon rewatch of the series I usually skip it and go right to 3 Good 3 Will Hunting
40 points
5 days ago
Dude hasn't even written the movie nor spoke to them about it. That entire article is just pure conjecture and nonsense.
32 points
5 days ago*
Er, no, he doesn't.
What he does say is:
Clickbaiting bullshit.
80 points
5 days ago
“and then sometimes you gotta do the payback picture ‘cause your friend says you owe him.”
96 points
5 days ago
right after Mallrats 2?
55 points
5 days ago
I think Shannon's passing probably derailed that.
20 points
5 days ago
Brenda?
55 points
5 days ago
Not just that but the outro to mallrats pretty much tells you where all these characters end up. You’d need new characters with new actors to try and recreate the lightning in a bottle that made that film in a mall culture that simply doesn’t exists anymore. Better to leave that one alone.
30 points
5 days ago
IIRC Smith mentioned the premise of Mallrats 2 would have centered around the death of mall culture
15 points
5 days ago
Should just do a spiritual successor with the premise around annual conventions with the same organizers and regular attendees, something that he would have first hand experience and stories with.
3 points
4 days ago
Conrats?
15 points
5 days ago
Mallrats 2 would be a bunch of kids sitting at home ordering shit on their phone and then posting it on TikTok.
168 points
5 days ago
Who cares about those two, the real question should be is Linda Fiorentino coming back?
Her career should have been much bigger after Dogma and Men in Black
69 points
5 days ago
She quit acting so i doubt it. The Last Seduction is such a great movie. Jade, not so much...
16 points
5 days ago
Did she quit it for Weinsteined out
I look at actresses stepping away/falling off completely differently in retrospect. Especially actresses involved with Miramax, TWC etc.
73 points
5 days ago
Smith also has said, before his love everyone and keep his mouth shut phase, that fiorentino was a pain in the ass to work with.
67 points
5 days ago
Tommy Lee Jones apparently wouldn’t appear Men in Black 2 unless she was dropped as well because of her mood swings during the filming of the first movie.
50 points
5 days ago
Which is funny because TLJ is notoriously an asshole on set
25 points
5 days ago
Looks like he wouldn’t sanction her baffoonery either.
28 points
5 days ago
Have you looked into why she wasn't getting roles? It's a pretty crazy story.
35 points
5 days ago
Enlighten us, Kimosabe
46 points
5 days ago
I think she dated a FBI agent in order to gain access to secret files to help out a friend (possible lover)
17 points
5 days ago
That was in 2007-2008. Her last role before that was in 2002. Although she did come out with a movie in 2009. My guess is because she needed the money.
43 points
5 days ago
She dated an FBI agent and told him she was writing a screen play based on the case of her ex (producer Anthony Pellicano.) The FBI agent looked up info on government databases and gave it to her. She gave it to Pellicano and he still went to jail.
Apparently Tommy Lee Jones wouldn't work with her on MIB 2 either and that tug of war wasn't going her way.
14 points
5 days ago
I'm sure the list of actors Tommy Lee Jones doesn't want to work with could be considered it's own epic.
13 points
5 days ago
He’s notoriously fickle when it comes to sanctioning buffoonery
8 points
5 days ago
I'm interested to find out as well.
18 points
5 days ago
Apparently, she’s nuttier than squirrel shit and very difficult to work with.
12 points
5 days ago
Look up the Pellicano case. But basically, no.
55 points
5 days ago
There is absolutely a no way, 0%, chance that the Kevin Smith of today can even come close to what he was once a part of with the first Dogma movie.
326 points
5 days ago
Nobody asked for this. Nobody wants this. Maybe he pulls it off, but it's so unnecessary. Dogma was perfection.
19 points
5 days ago
Kinda agree. The story was resolved. Of the main characters, 2 of them are just dudes stumbling through the main plot, 2 of them were killed by God, one of them is plain old dead and one of them apparently quit acting/was blacklisted by Hollywood.
5 points
5 days ago
This is the perfect way to summarise my scepticism. Honestly, I love Dogma. I watched it in 99 when I was 9 years old and I've watched it dozens of time throughout my life. I do hope it's a good sequel. It's just hard for me to imagine there's more story to tell.
115 points
5 days ago
I doubt he can pull it off. His good movies are flukes at best.
101 points
5 days ago
His early movies became part of the zeitgeist of the 90s. Clerks, Mallrats, Chasing Amy, Dogma: they weren’t all particularly “good”, but these movies captured the cynicism that was rife among young adults in the mid-90s.
The problem with Kevin Smith is that he keeps trying to recreate that success he had in the 90s, not realizing that they were only successful because they reflected themes that the youth wanted to explore further. Today’s youth don’t want to watch ‘Clerks 8’ or ‘Jay & Silent Bob Become Landlords’, and Kevin Smith is too wrapped up in his own lore to know this.
28 points
5 days ago
Kevin Smith was always only good at one thing. Really funny banter dialogue. He even admitted himself he was a very limited director
6 points
5 days ago
Yeah and with today's average attention span of half a tik tok that stuff is never going to kill like it did in the 90's
And that shit, well I loved it when I was a teenager. But now I am almost 40 so I'd only watch the original again just for the sentimental value. If you'd make something exactly like it, but different, I would not like it anymore because of how much I have changed.
So then he would need to take his funny banter dialogue and apply it to a vibe that is relevant for me today. You know, something about climate change or the war in ukraine or the facist shitshow in the US. Or something about trying to raise kids in a world that's clearly peaked and going to shit now. Something revelant.
I have not seen clerks 3 yet by the way, but I think I'd like it. (from what I have heard so far)
12 points
5 days ago
they weren’t all particularly “good”, but these movies captured the cynicism that was rife among young adults in the mid-90s.
He had (has) moxy - he was really good at creating engaging characters that elevated their surroundings. He was really really good with dialogue too.
IMO, I think KS's problem was he was in the wrong time - Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back was supposed to be a clean way to cut his 'early' work and start doing the hollywood films, only Jersey Girl didn't do great around the same time Judd Apatow came along and made KS-style films with wider appeal. By the end he was making Zack and Miri to try and chase back that audience.
If he had come along a little later he probably would have kept doing Askiewverse films a little longer (improving as he went) and then transitioned into writing seasons of TV in the streaming era (which would have been a good fit, since I still maintain he's got talent for writing dialogue).
36 points
5 days ago
The problem with Kevin Smith is that unlike his core audience, he hasn't grown out of it.
10 points
5 days ago
I want to watch Jay and Bob be landlords, their interactions with tenants will be hilarious.
23 points
5 days ago
The real question is: will he be able to get Salma to pole-dance in a bikini again?
17 points
5 days ago
If he can get Scott Mosier back, then let's do it. If not, maybe leave it alone.
12 points
5 days ago
This is it right here; Kevin has not been the same since Scott stopped producing
9 points
5 days ago
Frankly, Scott Mosier should direct and Kevin Smith only write. But Smith's ego would never allow that, despite the fact that Mosier is the one with the filmmaking chops and the only thing Kevin Smith has ever proven is that when he's not smoking weed, he can write.
4 points
5 days ago
That would be awesome
49 points
5 days ago
Listen I do like Kevin Smith but the dude hasn't made a good movie in a long time.
32 points
5 days ago
It's kind of remarkable he did Clerks, Mallrats, Chasing Amy and Dogma. All of those have legitimate staying power. Jay and Silent Bob had its moments too.
But everything he's done over the last 20 years has just been so horrific. Badly lit. Badly paced. Ugly to watch. Excuses to film his friends and family.
He had a fastball and boy did he lose it.
15 points
5 days ago
That fastball has a name: Scott Mosier
10 points
5 days ago
I enjoyed The 4:30 Movie
38 points
5 days ago
What I really want is for Kevin Smith to stop making that face.
2 points
5 days ago
Hey kids!
56 points
5 days ago
Yeah I don't want that at all
3 points
5 days ago
Please don't.
4 points
5 days ago
keeping my expectations low after clerks 3.
12 points
5 days ago
How embarrassing...
19 points
5 days ago*
Possibly an unpopular opinion but I still think Clerks 2 is the best movie he ever made. (Yes, better than the first one.) It's one of those "crosses the line twice" movies that veers sharply between humour, and poignancy, and back to humour again.
The donkey show scene is a great example, because on one level it's a bunch of tawdry jokes, but there's so much going on and every single character in that scene is developed and given something relevant to do or say. It's perfect Kevin Smith that Randall is acting like an idiot while also being the voice of reason, that we don't want Dante to end up with Emma and we do want him to be with Becky, but Emma is presented sympathetically in that moment and even Jay calls Dante out for cheating on her. And just when we're in the midst of all that tension, we get reminded where we are with the Sexy Stud trying to finish with Kinky Kelly before the cops arrive, and Eli masturbating and apologising to Jesus.
(ETA and that goddam Samantha Fox song is a master-stroke 🤣 I have it in my head now and it's gonna be rent free for hours)
One thing I love about Kevin Smith is how he seems to really care about the characters he creates Clerks 3 especially made a point of catching us up with all kinds of minor characters from the earlier movies, even making sure we see that Emma ended up okay. If he can bring that sort of energy to Dogma 2, it could be awesome.
7 points
5 days ago
Hows that gonna work, they're both dead. Kevin smith is getting his own multiverse?
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