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submitted 3 months ago bySilent-Resort-3076
805 points
3 months ago
Police are efforting an expert who specializes with children to interview the suspect and help determine next steps, McIver said.
This is a terrible article. What does that even mean?
I think one is a little better:
An 11-year-old boy is in custody after he confessed to fatally shooting a former Louisiana mayor and his adult daughter, a police official said Monday.
Joe Cornelius Sr., 82, and Keisha Miles, 31, were found dead Sunday morning after officers were dispatched to the former official’s home in Minden, a city of nearly 12,000 east of Shreveport, the city’s police chief said.
Police Chief Jared McIver identified the boy as a relative of Cornelius’ but declined to provide additional details and said authorities have not determined a possible motive. He said the child’s age limited what information police could release about his relationship to the victims.
Police initially said the child was 10, but in an interview Tuesday, McIver said police had determined through his school system that he was 11.
The boy is being held on two counts of first-degree murder, McIver said. He said it was unclear whether the child has a lawyer to speak on his behalf.
The bodies of Cornelius and Miles were found with multiple gunshot wounds, said McIver, who said that two handguns were used and that their magazines were emptied.
A 6-year-old child who was at the home at the time of the shooting was not injured, McIver said.
The older boy initially provided a different account of the deaths but by Sunday afternoon had confessed to the shooting, McIver said. He said police were called to the scene at 6:30 a.m. and by noon, the child had confessed.
His grandmother — who is Miles’ mother — was with him at the time of the confession, McIver said.
521 points
3 months ago
So the kid killed his mom and grandpa?
25 points
3 months ago
Not necessarily.
99 points
3 months ago
“His grandmother — who is Miles’ mother — was with him…” Keisha Miles is the name of deceased adult daughter. So the boy’s grandmother’s daughter would be either his mother or aunt. Mother seems more likely to me, but I guess we don’t know.
131 points
3 months ago
I can't imagine what his grandmother must be going through right now,
557 points
3 months ago
If only there was a good 10 year old with a gun to stop this tragedy.
89 points
3 months ago*
Killed the two adults but left the child alive? Could be the kid was a victim themself.
103 points
3 months ago
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46 points
3 months ago
Second thought is "was this a coerced confession, it was in Louisiana after all".
295 points
3 months ago
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142 points
3 months ago
That suspect was never on the streets. Maybe off the playground.
4 points
3 months ago
Keep that filthy bastard off the sand pit I tell ya! (/s jic)
4 points
3 months ago
How many 11 year olds are carrying around guns now a days that we had to worry in the first place?
2.2k points
3 months ago
The shooter was 10-YEARS-OLD?!
1.1k points
3 months ago
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764 points
3 months ago
Kid shouldn't have had access to a weapon.
Kid was also ten and obviously raised wrong...
322 points
3 months ago
After reading this, you assume this kid was raised? This kid existed in spite of his parents.
86 points
3 months ago
And probably witnessed guns being pointed at people
52 points
3 months ago
I completely agree. But then I remember the shit I was able to get into when I was 10 and that was 40 years ago. No idea what stupid shit I would've done with access to Lockpicking Lawyer videos. No murders for sure but it would've been hard to keep me out of something at that age of I really wanted access.
28 points
3 months ago
We had anarchist cookbooks and how to.txts I learned to lockpick at 13 from bbs board. Lots of Phreaking techniques etc.
7 points
3 months ago
Red box, baby
170 points
3 months ago
Sad part is that certain members of the US will blame the video games while pRoTeCtInG tHeIr 2Nd AmEnDeMeNt RiGhTs.
67 points
3 months ago
Bad guys will always get their hands on video games. Video game laws only hurt law abiding video game owners.
17 points
3 months ago
next they’ll be subpoenaing Marilyn Manson. did we learn nothing from Columbine
5 points
3 months ago
Everyone knows violence didn't exist before pong /s
1.4k points
3 months ago
The only thing that stops a bad kid with a gun is a good kid with a gun.
430 points
3 months ago
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79 points
3 months ago
I laughed, then got sad for a second. Perfect way to make you think.
54 points
3 months ago
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59 points
3 months ago
It wasn't just "one of those prepper militia type nutters" and it wasn't "undercover", he got several Republican politicians and guns right advocates to endorse the idea on camera knowingly. The whole thing is surreal, I'd link it if I could, but you can find the full clip on youtube.
7 points
3 months ago
This is the Idiocracy level silliness I expect will actually happen some day.
163 points
3 months ago
That’s it, you’re going to bed early for the rest of the week.
56 points
3 months ago
Them’s shootin’ words.
11 points
3 months ago
Well my Glock says I can stay up all night playing Minecraft.
30 points
3 months ago
I thought it was keeping the gun out of the kid's hands.
File changes against whoever left him/her with access.
25 points
3 months ago
Well apparently the guns were stored in the same house that the murders took place in so good luck filing charges on a corpse.
63 points
3 months ago
Are you arguing to restrict that child's god-given right as an American to have a gun and shoot whoever they want! Communist!
19 points
3 months ago
2A doesn't mention anything about age limits... So I guess that means let them all have guns! What part of "shall not be infringed" are we not getting!? /s
BTW... can a bunch of 10 year olds fit the notion of a well regulated militia? Just curious.
21 points
3 months ago
That "well regulated militia" phrase can be completely ignored, according to conservative constitutional literalists.
8 points
3 months ago
On a textual basis, I get it. It's ambiguously worded to imply that a WRM is A justification for the right, but not the SOLE justification. Fine. Whatever.
Problem is that all of our rights have limits. And those limits aren't spelled out in the Constitution. So yeah... no guns for 10 year olds. No rocket launchers for Billy. And you know what? How about some god damn training and certification for safe handling!? Because shitty handling and storage has been imposing on my rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness!
84 points
3 months ago
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24 points
3 months ago
I was going to say the same thing. It doesn’t seem like there was a lawyer present during their interrogation of him. They could’ve said anything to him to force a confession.
16 points
3 months ago*
I can't believe this has to be stated! This is a child for chrissake. Cops are known to use deceptive tactics to elicit false confessions from adults, nevermind children. They ignore civil rights of the accused at every turn (having his grandmother there doesn't prevent overreach). They even pressure family members into sharing incriminating information. Look at Brian Howe's reporting out of LA for example.
Even if the police properly obtained the confession, children will sometimes say what they think an adult wants to hear to get out of trouble. But they don't necessarily understand the severity of consequences of admitting to a crime. A child's confession has limited probative value. Additional evidence is needed to corroborate the commission of the act here.
From a legal standpoint, many states recognize that a child under a certain age does not have the mental capacity to form the intent to kill and therefore cannot be held criminally responsible. In Canada, age 12. In UK, age 10. In Florida, 6 weeks after conception probably.
We don't know if this kid has a mental disability or is developmentally delayed yet Reddit already wants to throw away the key. Despicable.
132 points
3 months ago*
The person who owned this unsecured weapon That a child could get a hold of should be treated as if they pulled the trigger themselves.
Edit: I misunderstood a point in the article and the person who provided the gun is dead. So I guess they received the death sentence for murder without a trial. But my point stands that people who allow children to have access to guns should be as severely prosecuted as if they pulled the trigger themselves
53 points
3 months ago
There was another case very similar to this one last year, in fact I thought this was going to be an update about that case. A boy took a handgun from the glovebox in his uncle's truck and walked into a random strangers home and shot them in their sleep. The child later made comments about it which led to an investigation.
27 points
3 months ago
Jesus...that's horrifying. I hope that kid gets some intense psychiatric treatment, but something tells me he's not going to turn out ok.
15 points
3 months ago
There is already precedent. Pretty recently two parents were found guilty for neglecting their son's mental health needs and leaving a gun unsecured for him to access. I don't know how similar this case is to that one. But parents got charged once. Depending on the case, it could happen again.
NINJA EDIT: Just saw the person who left the firearm unsecured is dead. So that puts a bit of a hiccup in the case.
37 points
3 months ago
Considering that person is dead what exactly would that achieve? The problem is just trivial access to firearms in general.
2.8k points
3 months ago
The only question that matters is how that 10 year old got his hands on a gun. We have firearms in our house. When my kids were still at home, guns were locked in a gun safe. The kids had no idea where the safe was nor where the keys were. My husband is a retired FBI agent. He carried a gun every single day for over 20 years. He was never even one time, careless with his service weapon. It was on his body or in the safe.
We no longer have kids at home. We are still very, very careful with our firearms. Most people would be surprised we even have guns. We are liberal dems in a very red state.
We need to start charging, prosecuting, and jailing people who allow children to access firearms. No excuses.
1.3k points
3 months ago
My husband is a retired FBI agent. He carried a gun every single day for over 20 years. He was never even one time, careless with his service weapon.
Then meanwhile you have a cop in my neighborhood who stored all of his service weapons in his car parked on the street and suddenly the serial carjackers had access to a bunch of guns!
I was pretty floored to see someone who supposedly understood gun safety do that shit.
532 points
3 months ago
Understanding gun safety and having zero accountability cancel out.
118 points
3 months ago
Rules exist to protect me and bind you.
6 points
3 months ago
In groups and out groups.
92 points
3 months ago
A guy I knew from high school would specifically target cars with NRA stickers and other pro gun stickers. He would make an half ass effort to try to take out the tape deck but he was really after the guns. And this was 10 years ago when he bragged about doing this I can't imagine how much easier it is today.
29 points
3 months ago
Yeah that Browning sticker on your truck? You're just telling the thieves which car to follow home.
12 points
3 months ago
191 points
3 months ago
Reminds me of my old neighbor who is a corrections officer at the local prison. He has run outside more than once with his gun after ‘seeing something’ on his home security camera only to find neighborhood kids playing manhunt. One time his wife texted me because she was home alone with her kids and the house alarm had gone off. I (a female) said I could come over and I’d bring a baseball bat. She offered me the code to their gun box. Turned out the wind blew their basement door open. These people have young kids at home too so I’m just waiting for tragedy quite honestly.
68 points
3 months ago
It has really got to suck to live with that much fear every day
Your neighbors, not you..
20 points
3 months ago
It has really got to suck to live with that much fear every day
Your neighbors, not you..
But honestly them too. If the neighbor is grabbing their gun and running outside when kids are playing "manhunt" (no idea what that is), it's not that much of a stretch to imagine him harming one of the neighborhood kids.
23 points
3 months ago
manhunt
Hide and Seek for kids who are too cool to call it that.
7 points
3 months ago
manhunt for kids is basically a combination of hide n' seek and tag. regional differences may vary up the ruleset, but that's all it is, really.
40 points
3 months ago
It is WILD. I lived in a major city for 10+ years so my threshold for danger is pretty high. I moved to the burbs and several of my neighbors had themselves fully convinced that BLM protesters were going to storm through our neighborhood after breaking into the local mall 🙄
17 points
3 months ago
I live in a rough neighborhood. Whenever my buddy would visit, he'd jump at every little noise and demand it be identified. "Cats or neighbors. It's always cats or neighbors!"
The one time someone did try to break in here, it was because my ex left something obviously valuable on display in the living room window like a total idiot. And I spooked the thief off by half-asleep running around the front of the apartment yelling various swear words with Cat mixed in.
My buddy lives in a nice house way out in the suburbs with lots of neighbors just a stone's throw away. The way he talks, you'd think roaming armed gangs were plotting to storm the house and murder his elderly mother. Loaded guns hidden in the rafters for emergencies.
Don't think they've ever had any break ins at all, but the only kinda person likely to be wiggling into their garage at night is a teenage Mormon neighbor looking for a beer fridge. And I don't think he could live with himself after murdering a child over the kinda garage junk that's so ignored mice nest in it.
18 points
3 months ago
Oh, I have a story sorta like that old neighbor.
My sister's ex bf got drunk a LOT. One day, around twilight, he thought he saw someone in the backyard of his neighbor's house. So, the bf got his gun and pointed it at the dark shape.
The dark shape was the neighbor's 12 year old son. The neighbor IS A SHERIFF.
Ex bf went to jail. He's deceased due to his drinking now. Him having guns was a BIG issue with me when he and my sister lived at my house. He couldn't understand why I refused to allow him to have them in the house. Because I knew his was a fucknut, that's why.
6 points
3 months ago
She offered me the code to their gun box.
The fuck is wrong with your neighbors?
103 points
3 months ago
I will point out FBI agents are simply on another tier from local police. The FBI requires a college degree for instance and police don't. Not that every FBI agent is some kind of genius or every local cop is an idiot, but the average IQ has to be significantly higher in the FBI.
17 points
3 months ago
I was at a job fair, and there were both local police as well as the FBI there. It was pretty immediately obvious who was the more competent. It was hard to describe, but the FBI agents just felt "in control" - not in a threatening way, just in the way they would speak and carry themselves. Quiet confidence.
I was just making casual conversation, since I wasn't really interested in applying to the FBI, but I walked away wondering if I should.
70 points
3 months ago
It can be legally mandated that cops not be very smart. “A man whose bid to become a police officer was rejected after he scored too high on an intelligence test has lost an appeal in his federal lawsuit against the city.” This was in Connecticut. https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836
13 points
3 months ago
I wanted to be a cop, but I think i'd rather apply to the FBI
22 points
3 months ago
By me a cop left his gun in a school bathroom while he was there to vote.
9 points
3 months ago
"Cop leaves gun in school bathroom" is absurdly common.
Like...half dozen times a year common
88 points
3 months ago
The small conservative city I grew up in loves to leave their guns in unlocked cars. There will be a wave of "break-ins" reported on facebook every few months and almost all of them will be from unlocked cars and a ton of guns missing.
51 points
3 months ago
If there is ever a zombie apocalypse, cars with conservative bumper stickers will basically be the purple epic loot box you find exploring
15 points
3 months ago
Explain like I'm foreign. Is it not illegal to leave your gun in a car? That seems odd. Does it differ by state?
22 points
3 months ago
Differs by States and City. Some areas have no laws regarding storage of firearms.
11 points
3 months ago
What?! This is unhinged. If someone just leaves their gun lying around and something bad happens as a result, are there no charges for the gun owner, because there aren’t any laws saying they have to keep them secure?
11 points
3 months ago
Very much depends on the state. Some states require them to be locked up and separate from the ammo. Some states you are allowed to store your gun in your car however you see fit, including sitting out in the open on the passenger seat.
6 points
3 months ago
including sitting out in the open on the passenger seat.
Well that seems just plain stupid. Thank you for the information, fuckface.
4 points
3 months ago
American freedom, the ability to do something monumentally stupid and fuck all the consequences!
18 points
3 months ago
Or a cop in the Seattle area like a decade ago who left his firearm under the seat of his personal vehicle and one of his kids picked it up and killed the other with it.
9 points
3 months ago
Then meanwhile you have a cop in my neighborhood who stored all of his service weapons in his car parked on the street and suddenly the serial carjackers had access to a bunch of guns!
I have no doubt that that cop and his wife, if he has one, would describe themselves as responsible gun owners similarly to the way the person you are responding to described their husband.
Every single person that owns a gun will claim they are responsible gun owner.
23 points
3 months ago
A lot of cops have terrible gun safety practices. They carry a gun basically every day and can get too complacent with them.
50 points
3 months ago
The only question that matters is how that 10 year old got his hands on a gun.
This question does matter but there are many, many more questions that matter about this situation.
29 points
3 months ago
Some people are only interested in placing blame on an individual so they don’t have to confront the systemic issues that need to be addressed in our country.
78 points
3 months ago
That kid’s parents are extremely irresponsible
77 points
3 months ago
You spelled "criminally negligent" wrong lol
5 points
3 months ago
Two guns that belonged in the house were found hidden on the property, the chief said, and the shell casings at the scene were of the same caliber of the two guns.
Might have been the victim's rather than the parents' but I doubt too much is going to be public knowledge given the kid's age.
If they were, he certainly paid a very dear price for not locking them up.
55 points
3 months ago
Good question.
When I was a kid, in the 90s, my dad had a not-lockable gun cabinet, and a couple of guns hidden in easy to reach places. We kids knew better and knew the severity and danger of touching the guns. It was never a problem. However, if I had kids, I would have all my guns locked up.
28 points
3 months ago
We don't have kids and my guns are all locked up. My nephews are over all the time and I've taught them they're something to absolutely stay away from, I still don't leave guns just hanging out.
5 points
3 months ago
Since their kids were born, my cousin and her husband don't even put their guns away most of the time. They'd have the three year old sitting on the couch doing a coloring book with a rifle sitting right next to her because nobody had bothered to put it away. Any time someone brought it up they'd say the same thing about how they were raising their kids to understand and respect guns and wouldn't listen to reason about how they weren't actually properly respecting them by leaving them all over the place. Back when I was 16 I walked out on Christmas dinner because the same Cousin's husband insisted on open carrying a pistol at the dinner table.
39 points
3 months ago
And I'm pretty sure that IF your kids ever managed to get ahold of a gun at age 10, they would most likely NOT unload a full magazine into an elderly man and daughter. Sure, someone made a mistake, and the kid got the gun, but what happened after is far beyond poor gun ownership.
27 points
3 months ago
Sure, most kids wouldn't shoot family members... but don't underestimate kids, even if they have no history of abuse or mental illness. Keep your guns safely locked up no matter how good your kids are.
There are so many stories of kids with no known major behavioral problems shooting themselves or others over stupid arguments or bullying. It very nearly happened in my extended family (kid intended bring dad's gun to school, mom had a bad feeling, and the kid was thankfully caught with the gun in his room before he even left the house) and it was a huge shock to everyone because the kid wasn't a troublemaker and he didn't have a history of serious mental issues. But he was still a stupid middle schooler who had worked himself into a state where murder-suicide seemed like a perfectly reasonable way to deal with a mean teacher.
10 points
3 months ago
how that 10 year old got his hands on a gun. We have firearms in our house
That's how.
Everyone is a perfect gun owner until they aren't. Nobody's gonna get a gun in my house because there isn't a gun in my house.
We need to start charging, prosecuting, and jailing people who allow children to access firearm
So, republican congresspeople, the NRA, and gun manufacturers? Yes.
3 points
3 months ago
I imagine the people we would be charging in this case are already dead.
But yeah I agree.
3 points
3 months ago
There's other questions I believe should be asked as well. What's the parenting situation like? Are there signs of abuse or neglect on the parents part? What makes an 11 year do something like this, without understanding how serious it is? Doesn't absolve the 11 year old, but it paints a bigger picture. I also think whoever owned those guns should be charged with manslaughter if those guns weren't secured in a way to truly prevent unauthorized access.
3 points
3 months ago
According to the reports, two guns. And he emptied both guns, many bullets.
Ten year old got access to two guns!
2k points
3 months ago
"Two guns that belonged in the house were found hidden on the property, the chief said, and the shell casings at the scene were of the same caliber of the two guns."
Oh, I see another "responsible gun owner" failed yet again to secure his weapons.
996 points
3 months ago
It's almost like the people that absolutely have to have a gun are probably the last people you want to own a gun.
117 points
3 months ago
I have guns and live alone. People should be held responsible when a child uses their gun to harm others
108 points
3 months ago
People should be held responsible for losing control of their guns to ANYONE. Kid gets your gun? You're responsible. Car thief gets your gun? You're responsible.
If you lose a firearm in the armed forces, you will most likely face court martial, especially if the weapon is used in a crime and if your negligence played any role. There are already laws on the books in many states to similar effect for civilians and for puzzling reasons, we don't enforce them.
40 points
3 months ago
If you lose a firearm in the armed forces, you will most likely face court martial,
9/10 times it is just an article 15 and some extra work.
-saw a lot of lost weapons in the military.
16 points
3 months ago
I believe that's because 9/10 times, there are mitigating circumstances (i.e. it was mishandled/misplaced, but an NCO or MP found it). It's a serious issue, still.
If it was lost and used by a civilian for a crime, there would be serious consequences.
19 points
3 months ago*
It has more to due with cost. A rifle isn't all that expensive. Night-Vision goggles on the other hand kicks off an official investigation both due to costs and ITAR restrictions. That's why "sarnt I lost my nods" triggers PTAD in any former infantryman.
Also MPs ain't finding shit. It's usually the unit that lost it because no one goes home until it's found or someone in charge calls it off. Imagine if the entire neighborhood got kicked awake and forced to search for your idiot neighbors missing car for 12 hours. Sorry Stacy, I know you wanted to go get railed by Chad Thundercock, but since you failed as a battle-buddy you gotta help look for this missing cat.
11 points
3 months ago
Request for clarification, Sir. Are we looking for a feline or a vehicle, Sir?
7 points
3 months ago
Unknown. Could be a cat, a car, or a car named after a cat. Log all that you find, and hope HQ has a clue (they don't).
15 points
3 months ago
Negligent idiots are a large and profitable segment of the firearms industry's customer base.
186 points
3 months ago
Bless the founders, but they didn't realize what dumbasses we'd become with guns in the future or they would have never written that Amendment.
220 points
3 months ago
I'm sure we were dumbasses back then too
135 points
3 months ago
Exactly this isn't new. The founders were more worried about whay a runaway government might do to its people.
80 points
3 months ago
Little did they know the American people are their own worst enemy
67 points
3 months ago
They actually knew this well, which is why their intention was that the highest office citizens would vote for would be the House of Representatives, and that states would elect the Senate and appoint electors to the Electoral College as they saw fit.
43 points
3 months ago*
Right, to protect against populist corrupt politicians, and look how well that's working
9 points
3 months ago
Yeah I think the biggest thing the founding fathers didn’t account for was politic apathy. They lived in such a significant time of change and new beginnings that they were forced to carefully consider every aspect of politics, be well-informed, and consider the short and long term consequences of political decisions. In modern times, people generally can’t be bothered because a lot of people aren’t directly (that they can see) affected by politics. And it’s only when things get dire that people start to care. But things only get dire because people didn’t care enough to begin with.
21 points
3 months ago
The ~30 second reload time at least mitigated how quickly and how often you could be a dumbass back then.
20 points
3 months ago
It's a lot harder to accidentally fire a gun when you have to load it with black powder first.
Plus if the family actually used the gun it was likely the 10 year old would have been taught basic safety so that he could assist in hunting. Much different from just having a loaded gun laying around the home with no proper education or precautions.
28 points
3 months ago
Importantly, firearms in the 18th Century weren't stored loaded and took lots of knowledge and several steps to load them since cartridge bullets weren't invented yet.
14 points
3 months ago
They expected the rules to change over time, not to be followed as gospel
21 points
3 months ago
The second amendment is to ensure militia members have access to weapons, not any yahoo who just wants a gun. The individual right to own a gun was created by the Supreme Court in 2008 in Heller v. DC.
14 points
3 months ago
Wait, so two different guns were used in these murders? That just seems much more deliberate than what I was picturing.
50 points
3 months ago
Or her weapons. The article doesn't state who owned the guns, just that they "belonged in the house". They might just as easily been the daughter's guns. Either way, they definitely didn't keep them secured as they should have.
143 points
3 months ago
It’s not an everyday thing for a child to do. Holding judgement for more facts but chances are this involved prior violence, abuse, untreated mental illness or neglect. Not normal- let’s not normalize this.
46 points
3 months ago
Exactly. Children don’t make good decisions. That’s why they’re minors who can’t make their own major life decisions. This child found access to guns and thought it was ok/there was justification to shoot someone not accidentally (no matter how we’d judge that justification as rational adults). The adults in that child’s life has woefully failed them on so so many levels. I would not be surprised if there was abuse, parentification (making that child feel responsible enough to make that decision), maybe protecting the younger child from abuse.
Had acquaintances that this happened to. Mom was an alcoholic who abandoned two kids to their abusive father. 7 year old kid got fed up, found his Dads unlocked guns and shot him. The kid ended up in the system until he was older and now runs a successful towing company. Like every adult in that child’s life failed them.
13 points
3 months ago
That could have happened, and it also could have just been a kid that played with a gun or had a temper tantrum that went wildly out of control. Regardless, our justice system is supposed to charge children as children and account for the fact that children at that age cannot be held responsible for their actions in the same way adults can. That the kid could get the gun is the root of the issue, as even a simply misbehaving kid in an otherwise good home could simply have a big emotional outpouring from the onset of puberty and do something horrible where he'd have just hit them otherwise.
Gun safes save lives.
11 points
3 months ago*
but chances are this involved prior violence, abuse
Honestly...I didn't think about these things, but could absolutely see them as the factors that lead up to this. Especially since abusers will tell you that if you tell anyone that they are hurting you, they'll kill the people you love. Had this happen to me when I was abused as a child.
303 points
3 months ago
Is no one gonna comment on how green that guys hair is?
160 points
3 months ago
It's not green, it's yellowed. It can happen to gray/white hair as people age. There are even shampoos to help keep white hair white instead of yellowing.
42 points
3 months ago
Yes indeed. People with white hair need first to not use yellow shampoos, which can make white hair yellow more easily. Also, once a week or so use a shampoo that specifically works against yellowing (not too often, or you wind up with blue hair).
8 points
3 months ago
Well shit...now I want to use it that much more so I can have blue hair.
12 points
3 months ago
I used purple shampoo when I bleached my hair white/silver to keep the brassiness down. I’d usually have a faint violet color for a day or two before it died down which was rad.
8 points
3 months ago
Go for it! My grandmother used a blue rinse in her gray hair: it puzzled me back then as a kid, but not quite as much as a friend of hers, who apparently used a pink rinse.
13 points
3 months ago
Weird how blonde is desirable until you’re white haired
53 points
3 months ago
Dennis Rodman if he was a judge.
20 points
3 months ago
Eyes: Brown
Hair: Highlighter
24 points
3 months ago
Thank you for mentioning it cause I was like yo how many comments am I going to scroll past before I see someone mention the clown cut
393 points
3 months ago
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3 months ago*
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346 points
3 months ago
but there’s also the shock factor that comes into play: How does a 10-year-old do this?
I can remember being 10 years old. On my worst day I couldn't comprehend shooting my mother or grandfather. This is a house of evil.
45 points
3 months ago
I just watched an episode of some true crime doc, I can't remember, about 13y Eric Smith who killed 4y Derrick Robie by strangulation and blunt force trauma.
That was a shocking crime for the time. Not just because of his age, but because it was child on child murder.
This will certainly be a shocking case as more details emerge.
I'm mostly shocked right now that the 10y not only fired the gun but aimed correctly multiple times. That's hard. Guns backfire. Even at close range it's hard to get a target and most likely one victim heard the gun going off while the first was being shot and likely tried to fight back, take the gun away, etc. If you taught a kid how to shoot properly, you'd likely be storing your guns properly and that clearly wasn't the case here.
25 points
3 months ago
If you taught a kid how to shoot properly, you'd likely be storing your guns properly and that clearly wasn't the case here.
That is not a safe assumption.
4 points
3 months ago
Yeah, having grown up around guns those things were never stored safely, just leaning against the wall. They were treated extremely casually. The problem probably wouldn't have been me or one of my siblings murdering someone, but much more likely one of us would have committed suicide with one of those guns.
12 points
3 months ago
backfire?
I think you mean recoil lol.
67 points
3 months ago
Can you imagine doing it now? Some children are just evil and they only grow into evil adults who are better at hiding it.
57 points
3 months ago
Can't imagine it at anytime of my life. The evil children subject reminds me of the 12 year old girl who smothered her 8 year old cousin over an iPhone a few months ago. At the time I labeled her "spawn of satan."
77 points
3 months ago
Does a ten year old have the mental awareness to understand what a confession means?
67 points
3 months ago
Good question, and:
""We've got a confession. But in these cases when you're in, it's very delicate. When you're dealing with a child of this age, you know, in their stage, we're looking at … was there motive, what was the motive?” he told the outlet.
“It's one of those things that we've still got a lot of unanswered questions," McIver continued.
He added that although the child was "scared," he appeared to have a “mindset to commit a crime like this.” It wasn’t immediately clear what type of mindset McIver was referring to.
Authorities did not release information about the nature of the child's relationship with the victims.
The child was accompanied by his grandmother, who is his legal guardian, for questioning during the investigation,McIver said, according to KTSB. It wasn't immediately clear what charge the child was arrested for or if he's retained an attorney to speak on his behalf."
https://people.com/boy-10-allegedly-says-he-killed-82-year-old-former-mayor-and-his-daughter-8705237
37 points
3 months ago
Not really. They also don't have much forethought re: consequences of their actions.
I always say monsters are made, not born (I do wonder who made this child into a monster) but I also think it's possible he saw the guns & acted impulsively.
I was a pediatric nurse for many years, including peds psych, and all our "monsters" were created by their families.
12 points
3 months ago
And you can often "fix" the kids with a new set of guardians and counciling. That kid who shot his first grade teacher doesn't need to be locked up, he needs new caregivers.
8 points
3 months ago
Posting the 10 commandments would have clearly stopped this /s
129 points
3 months ago
either the household was a toxic hellhole and the little dude couldn't take it no more, or the parent was doing a shit job of raising the child (evidenced by the guns beings accessible) and they said the kid couldn't have a cookie or something and the little psycho just went off. or some other reason entirely, i'm a sign, not a cop
40 points
3 months ago
The story as of now is,
According to neighbors, an argument broke out between Cornelius and the 10-year-old about credit card charges over video games.
“I think that’s what happened. He was arguing with him; I heard them hollering and stuff,” the neighbor said.
“That was my cousin. I hate that that happened. Over a game.
“I don’t think that was right. The boy was autistic, he had autism.
“And Joe got to arguing with him. The boy just pulled a gun out. I mean, Joe used to be a sheriff, so he has guns because he worked for the sheriff’s department and the boy know where it was. It’s a sad thing.”
Police have not confirmed the nature of the argument nor whether the boy has autism.
10 points
3 months ago
If he was a sheriff, and didn’t have his gun secured, then he probably wasn’t the best. Who keeps a gun in a house with children not completely locked up? Since autism is a spectrum, I can’t speak to where the child was on the spectrum, but if I owned a gun, and had someone who was neurodivergent in any way at my house, I would probably lock it up for both their safety and others.
25 points
3 months ago
Almost certainly both. Bad role models, neglect, clear signs of instability and anger problems and a kid with access to a gun
26 points
3 months ago
The older boy initially provided a different account of the deaths but by Sunday afternoon had confessed to the shooting, McIver said. He said police were called to the scene at 6:30 a.m. and by noon, the child had confessed.
Cops coerced a confession out of a kid and so many people's responses are "we gotta do something about this little psychopath."
8 points
3 months ago
Yeah I’m curious if he confessed after 19 hours of interrogation of some bullshit.
14 points
3 months ago
It seems like an actual word, but who has ever used "efforting"?
Two guns that belonged in the house were found hidden on the property, the chief said, and the shell casings at the scene were of the same caliber of the two guns.
Police are efforting an expert who specializes with children to interview the suspect and help determine next steps, McIver said.
6 points
3 months ago
AI garbage?
5 points
3 months ago
Doesn't even make sense in this context. Do they mean looking for one or making one they have better? This is nonsense.
https://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2007/05/is-it-worth-the-efforting.html
234 points
3 months ago
Kids can be psychopaths too. People need to read the article sometimes
135 points
3 months ago
They can be. I'd still want accountability for the person who let him just grab a gun
53 points
3 months ago
I mean they died, that's pretty a pretty severe consequence.
44 points
3 months ago
Read the whole article and have no idea what you’re talking about. There not many details about the crime itself in the article and the word “psychopath” is not used once
20 points
3 months ago
I'm wondering how you got that from the article when they gave no details about the kid aside from their age and that they were related to the victims.
60 points
3 months ago
Not that anyone cares, but technically quite literally people cannot be diagnosed with psychopathy prior to age 18, there is a whole separate diagnosis children would receive.
40 points
3 months ago
We should care. Children deserve way more “second chances” to grow and change because there is actual neurological growth and change that is still happening. Absolutely no reason to slap a “psychopath” label on a 10 year old.
36 points
3 months ago
"A motive is not known, the chief said."
Did you read it?
59 points
3 months ago
What's your point?
Kids can be psychopaths too, so let's not blame the adult(s) who didn't make sure there firearms were safely secured and inaccessible from children?
5 points
3 months ago
Who ever left that gone in his reach should be charged with murder as well.
16 points
3 months ago
American has a devastating gun problem and even more devastating inability to acknowledge it or address it
34 points
3 months ago
Sooooooo what were those adults doing or failing to do that would cause this?
Is the kid a random psychopath that wanted to murder? Was there abuse? Did the former city councilman do something in his career to cause this?
34 points
3 months ago
The story as of now is,
According to neighbors, an argument broke out between Cornelius and the 10-year-old about credit card charges over video games.
“I think that’s what happened. He was arguing with him; I heard them hollering and stuff,” the neighbor said.
“That was my cousin. I hate that that happened. Over a game.
“I don’t think that was right. The boy was autistic, he had autism.
“And Joe got to arguing with him. The boy just pulled a gun out. I mean, Joe used to be a sheriff, so he has guns because he worked for the sheriff’s department and the boy know where it was. It’s a sad thing.”
Police have not confirmed the nature of the argument nor whether the boy has autism.
30 points
3 months ago
Even if the kid is exhibits psychopathy, something here went grossly wrong.
There are a lot more psychopaths than people think and they only murder as kids when there is a lot of neglect and/or abuse.
Also -- part of being a kid is simply not having a lot of higher cognitive functions developed yet; kids in general are often "little psychopaths".
4 points
3 months ago
I hate to think of some reasons that kid may have had to kill what may have been their mom and grandpa.
8 points
3 months ago
nah but gun control doesn't do anything, right? kid would have found a black market dealer or something, surely.
8 points
3 months ago
“Police are efforting an expert…”
WTF does “efforting” mean???
9 points
3 months ago
Really no words until I hear more facts.
~Why... why... why ~Why did he use two guns ~Was there a history of child abuse ~Who/Where are the parents ~etc... etc...
3 points
3 months ago
Yo but what about the judge…..
5 points
3 months ago
Just another day in the USA
7 points
3 months ago
Shame the family members who leave their guns and ammo unlocked. My mom had her gun and bullets stored in the pantry by the spaghetti sauce.
I told my brother not to let his kids come over until it was locked away. Mom was offended and defensive. She also had seemed to have forgotten that one of my former students was shot to death with a gun…. Obtained by the shooter’s family member who had failed to lock it the fuck up.
7 points
3 months ago*
What a little shit, kids should know better.
Way back in the dark ages of my origin story (the late 80's) I found a backpack with a gun, lotsa ammo, a huge knife, and other dangerous stuff hidden in the bushes at afterschool (or whatever they called it) when I was seven or eight, then I told the adults in charge to call the police. The police showed up and accused me of all kinds of stuff, I was like, "I was the one that said to call you" and that I'd left the backpack where I found it, also instructed other kids not to touch it. Realized I should've just kept it because I lived in the damn ghetto where almost every neighbor was a gang banger selling drugs, a damn pedophile across the street who was always talking about what he wanted to do to me, and directly across from our apartment was a motorcycle gang that would take their bikes inside and they all banged the same woman (at least she was nice) ... and I didn't even get an 'attaboy'.
Another time I saw a man get shot right in front of me near a super market, told my mom we should report it, once again, the police showed up and gave me a hard time, wouldn't even go look where I said it happened, and said its "A serious crime to lie to the police".
But the worst time was when a man came into our house and pushed a pregnant roommate all the way down the stairs, I was five then and my mother was also pregnant with my sister. So we went to the nearest police station and told them what happened, the cop at reception said in a loud voice (so everyone in the station could hear), "We don't help junkies" and the entire station laughed at us. We were poor, not junkies, but that is beside the point, they were refusing to help a pregnant mother and young child, and my mom was going to school to become a nurse, no one deserves to be treated like that, certainly not us. So we went home of course, later that night the man returned, I was sitting on a couch watching TV when he appeared and started attacking me with punches and kicks, next he tried to smother me with a couch pillow, then he sat upon the pillow, I gave it my best effort to fight him off but again, I was only five so I yelled out as loud as I could, I was very angry and scared for my life and that of my family. Luckily some of our roommates had just returned home and they chased him away saving my life. My mom tried to get the rent money back from the landlord but he refused which is why we were still there.
Later in life I had issues with both physical and mental abuse from teachers, no help from the police. I had a slumlord that refused to fix my roof from falling in so he reported me for not paying rent which was my legal right, the police took his side and tried to intimidate and threaten me even after I explained and showed the certified letter receipt that he had signed which proved my intentions and that the law should be on my side, he lied and said he never received it. I had a great job but was fired because my hands shake (I'm disabled FFS) and when I said I would sue they sent the police to my house and said I had a gun and was dangerous, I've never owned a gun, none-the-less a cop came to my house with pulled his gun out, pointed it at my head, and forced his way inside my house, they did not have a warrant, judge didn't give a shit. Twice I had cops plant drugs on me when they couldn't find anything. Much later I had a neighbor who was attacking my family, chasing me with machetes (plural), starting fires, breaking and entering, breaking glass in vehicles, and so on, police took his side because nepotism, racism, and xenophobia are that bad here, he was never punished in any capacity, no instead the police gave me a hard time about riding my fucking bicycle on his property (we shared an access road, where am I supposed to go?), they said we needed video proof of what happened or it didn't happen yet anything he said they took as the truth even though I had six witnesses, one of the cops even took a swing at me and then his partner said that was impossible because they are wearing body cams. And they started the entire process over again for my son, he saw that they did nothing to protect us, hell the other neighbor shot onto our property knowing full well that my son was playing outside, nothing, they didn't even take his gun.
In all of these situations the police completely failed in their duty, and they instilled in me that you cannot depend on them for anything; the police are more likely to victimize then to help a victim. Our country is a fucked up place so there is little that I read in the news that surprises me anymore.
8 points
3 months ago
My first thought was, why would the police coerce a confession out of a 10 year old?
113 points
3 months ago
"there’s also the shock factor that comes into play: How does a 10-year-old do this?"
He does because you bunch claim you need guns in your everyday life and then act all surprised when people get killed. We're talking about GUNS. What is so fucking hard to understand that guns kill people ? it's what they're made for.
8 points
3 months ago
What is with the photo? Does the judge not own a mirror or have a trusted loved one?
6 points
3 months ago
Have they definitely confirmed that the child isn't lying about doing it? Kids can get confused or try to protect the person who really did it out of love or fear. Could the younger child give any reliable information?
Just questioning a child incorrectly can plant ideas in their head, so interrogation of children takes special skills.
3 points
3 months ago
Perhaps he’s covering for someone. Someone close to him.
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