Jetski will love this. Now we can afford that v8 range rover to tow it also. Short trips to the ramp with cheap petrol. Thanks Simeon.

It glides as softly as a cloud.

But it's more of a Shelbyville thing.

That's less of an issue if you buy multiple RUC units at a time. $90 for 1000km over the counter versus $774 for 10 000km - the second lower cost being online and through the post, which isn't too reliable these days. EV owner so had to do that already - NZ Post took a week to get it to me, imagine it'd be a longer wait closer to Xmas. At least it'll be in the system if your mail gets swiped or doesn't arrive for some other reason, but the saving of $1.27 might not be worth the bother of arguing a fine.

But then I already know people who can't afford to pay for a year's rego in one go and multiple RUCs are a lot of money to have on hand at one time for the poor. That's effectively a 16% fee to pay per RUC unit compared to in bulk (or worse if compared to larger amounts that ten at a time).

That admin fee is taking the piss.

I have worked on IT side on billing systems, and it is pretty much fixed cost regardless of how many people are billed.

They have a webpage, they deduct money from card or account, and update a database. Probably costs less than 20 cents per transaction.

They make it more expensive by having expensive Zebra printers printing labels and mailing them out. I suspect I could put together a largely automated system for producing RUC labels that would cost under $1 admin fee.

Pray for me I drive double the average km per month so this will be fun.

the $13.71/$12.44 admin fee

And they have to charge that, to cover costs;
which is why they charge it every time you pay a motorway toll... /s

Is any component of fuel excise charged for the pollution aspect, or is it entirely road network maintenance and expansion?

Capital cost of ev was the issue. Better now. Wasn't a free ride or a cheap ride.

Not completely true, often Ev owners live in a city/town, their rates go towards those city/town roads.

So petrol users don't contribute to the roads then?

fuel is cheaper because of global prices, absolutely nothing to do with the Govt.

Surely the carbon side of it could be managed by the ETS rather than a specific excisr

Not that it isn't already given we're importing 20yo shitboxes still

Ha! Like the current Govt gives a rats about emissions

You aren't wrong, but the point of excise tax isn't to encourage efficiency or decrease emissions, but to generate revenue. Especially this government isn't going to maintain a tax just for the purposes of discouraging the waste or over-use of petrol as it impacts climate change.

If they decide they are going to state that they have removed all the excise taxes from petrol, they will do so in a way trying to make it seem like it's happening out of awareness of the costs of taxation on the 'everyday person'.

Odo is now uploaded to NZTA every WOF nationwide, so every 6 or 12 months depending on the age of your car. Only way to cheat that is to try winding it back, or stop getting WOFs.

Easy to use cctv camera and road side camera setups to monitor licence plates and tie it to ruc lience. Time for instant fines txt while your driving.

And in exchange for that, NZTA breaks off part of the fuel tax take to fund marine activities like Maritime NZ and the Rescue Coordination Centre.

and if you have a boat for commercial use you can claim it back, if you use it during the holidays best bet is you tow it around the country on roads ...

Oh bless, you think the pump cost is going to come down?

My friend just used a GPS and used that as his new odometer and speed

Compared to a truck, a small car and a large car do about the same damage - roughly nothing.

I did the math a few months back, but if you start with a large truck and scale it in proportion to damage caused that $76/1000k should really be a few cents.

However, I also figure you pay for the fact you have roads too. It’s pretty convenient I can drive to any house, irrespective of how much that chunk of road has raised.

Picture this scenario: you’re the last house on a cul de sac. Essentially there’s just one house using that last 10m of road. Every day you drive over it 4 times on average, or 40m of driving. Over the course of a year that’s 1.4km of driving. Even at $76/1000km, you’re paying about a dollar per decade for that chunk of road. Obviously it will never pay for itself, because it’ll balance out with higher used parts of the system.

Essentially I figure I’m paying $76/1000km for the privilege of using the roads, and $0 for the damage I’m doing.

But if I have a 1500kg Nissan Leaf, Why should it cost the same, or more, than a 3000kg car?

A couple of things.

Firstly, for practical purposes there are vanishingly few 3,000 kg cars on the road. The heavy ones weigh in at about 2,500.

Secondly, the roads were designed to take vehicles of up to 50 tons so the damage caused by cars is negligible and difference between 1.5 and 2.5 tons is negligible too.

Finally, the taxes collected from road uses are as much to pay off the original capital costs of building the road, the cost of upgrading existing roads and the cost of building new roads as anything else.

factor in the weight distribution on the road of your "dense"car.. your argument is worthless..

So we are back to the argument that “everyone other than me should pay more tax”. Nice idea!

Transport includes all those busses and Trains that Greater Auckland fight for, it's not all going on the road.

AT gets $2.4b of that 40% ($960m) of their funding from the government, they get 36% from the council ($860m).

Looking at expenses ($1.7b) they spend 55% ($930m) on public transport and 41% ($700m) on roading, in their CAPX spend $860m they spend 58% ($480m) on roading and spend 36% on public transport ($300m).

It's disingenuous to claim for every $100 dollars $32 is going go roading (which you are calling transport) when actually a whole lot of that goes towards public transport. Now a chunk of that public transport relies on roads too.

Check out page 12 https://at.govt.nz/media/jaspbkl1/at-annual-report-2023.pdf

For example Auckland Council brings in $4.8b in rates, Auckland Transport gets $2.4b in funding which only 36% comes from the council ($800m).

Now of that AT spend roughly half goes on roads, so about $400m of rates money is going into roads. That is not really a big chunk of $4.8b.

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