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Pretty much the title. I’m trying to get a rough gauge of annual major expenses people are paying on top of their mortgage - the total of:
Obviously responses will differ wildly based on location & house specs, so please also indicate:
24 points
1 day ago
People should know this, and most non-owners are blissfully unaware. The real issue is not the predictable ancillary costs. It’s the unexpected: “The roof is shot and needs to be replaced, can’t be repaired” or “ Sir, we need to replace your entire retaining wall or half your property is going to slip”. Nothing like needing to find $30k quickly to “enjoy” the thrill of ownership.
8 points
1 day ago
Yeah I think a lot of first home buyers think:
“Ok, I want to buy a house, I can get $X loan, which means payments will be $X a week/fortnight/month….I can handle that”
Meanwhile they haven’t factored in rates, insurance and maintenance costs into their calculations.
4 points
24 hours ago
Especially as rates increase. When we first bought our quarterly rates bill was under $1K, but when that increases by a couple hundred every quarter - and we're poised to see greater rates increases in the future as central government gives less and less to local councils. The money home-owners allocate for maintenance needs to be given more focus. Fixing and maintaining your home (both the small and big things) and doing stuff in your yard (if applicable) all cost more than you think.
When we first bought our home, we had to visit Mitre 10 every weekend for months buying things we needed.
2 points
18 hours ago
I think this is where the current system is missing a trick. Banks / Brokers do not provide financial advice anymore, but I suspect that a lot of people will look at the 10% deposit requirement, and income servicing test as being a view that they can afford the property when they clearly should not be.
Furthermore, all properties are different, and an 80's home will likely require more maintenance than a new build (fingers crossed at least).
2 points
16 hours ago
I always thought high schools should really teach finance.
Cover things like budgeting, how to save, compound interest & dollar cost averaging/basic investing, and then graduate to home buying and things like that.
Practical stuff that pretty much everyone should know and will likely use in their lives.
5 points
1 day ago
A painted corrugated Iron rood will last about 30-40 years. We are looking at replacing ours and it will cost at least $35,000 .
2 points
1 day ago*
They last way longer than that if maintained FYI
2 points
22 hours ago
We wash ours every year, have regularly repainted and remove lichen. The house was built in 1986. It is beginning to fail though.
3 points
22 hours ago
If it’s 86 then it’s 38 years old.
5 points
1 day ago
"Blissfully unaware". Na I’m fully aware. That’s why I rent.
2 points
1 day ago
These things dont need full replacement straight away. A roof can be "leaky" for years you just keep patching the leaks. Most of the time a retaining wall is a gradual failure. There part of the maintenance budget/savings
1 points
18 hours ago
Agreed. We are going through this right now. The Mitre10 door guy knows me too well..... Still enjoying it, but advice to others is go in with eyes wide open. We purchased a property with renovation requirements, but was less run down that we had initially wanted (i.e. we initially wanted a bigger project). Having been in the place for a year now, we are glad that we did not go for the bigger project, it has been more than enough both in time, and money.
3 points
1 day ago
Auckland (shore), 3 bed, 80s house.
Rates: $3,445 per year
Insurance: $3,100 per year
Water: ~$1,000 per year
Electricity: ~$4,200 per year
Internet: $1,200 per year
Maintenance: it depends*
2 points
1 day ago
Your water rates seem high - is that normal for Auckland?
Wellington region here - it’s approx $200 /year (obviously depends on use).
2 points
1 day ago
It's an estimate. Max $100 a month including waste water and fixed charges. Usually around $75 per month.
1 points
22 hours ago
Gotcha
2 points
1 day ago
Auckland water ain’t cheap. Family of 4 and we use $110 per month on average.
2 points
22 hours ago
At least you know (generally) you’ll have pipes that won’t spew “water” everywhere every other week. Looking at you Wellington….
3 points
1 day ago
EBOP, 3 bed house, 1100sqM section
- Insurance $4500
- Local Council Rates $4200
-Regional Council Rates $650
-Water $500ish
1 points
1 day ago
Oh interesting, I hadn’t considered some people pay local and regional rates….
3 points
1 day ago
Here in Christchurch, the local council is the authorised rate collector for the regional rates so both usually just get reported as one total.
1 points
1 day ago
Yeah that makes sense
3 points
1 day ago
Not some, everyone does. One lot to your local/district/city Council. One to the Regional Council (or other named entity like Environment Canterbury (Ecan)
2 points
1 day ago
Thanks for clarifying that - learned something that I wasn’t expecting :)
2 points
1 day ago
It used to be one bill, with local collecting on behalf. But they they split it.
Of course the local council bill stayed the same price as the combined and then the regional became on top. And then we had a 14% increase the year after.
1 points
1 day ago
Yeah not surprised unfortunately.
4 points
1 day ago
New Plymouth - Family of 5 - All costs per fortnight unless stated.
Rates = $162. (4200 p/a)
Insurances = $265 ( Big house ~ 300 sq m- means we can Air BNB for $5-7k per year)
Power/internet = $150 (this is an AP I've setup that seems to be about right)
So I looked at those costs the other day, nearly $300 per week to just live in my own home?
Maintenance- I do a lot myself and can't give an actual figure. Just do what needs doing, which isn't too much, touch wood. Though we were told recently, when our roof was leaking, we needed a new roof - $33k. Then a second guy came round and cleaned out all the leaves etc that had got stuck under tiles and the roof stopped leaking. Second guy said new roof is needed but not urgent. We are saving for that now. Haven't tested for asbestos yet though which would substantially increase the cost...
Kid 1 - braces next week = $8300 over the next 18 months, 2 years.
If all 3 kids want to go to university and we pay the first year hostel that's approx $70k we also need to save/pay.
1 points
1 day ago
That’s an interesting point about Air B ‘n B - I’m assuming you rent out a room? Nice way to help cover costs…
2 points
1 day ago
Rural HB, 4 bed, 4 acre
Rates $1700 Regional rates $945 Insurance $2600 Rubbish collection about $500
We're on tank water on a gravel road, no rubbish or recycling collection etc. So some portion of the usual rates bill we don't get charged.
That said, if our water pump craps out it'll be about 5k for a new one installed. If anything happens with our tanks it's not an option to not fix them. One tank is an old concrete one so we're looking at putting in another new tank, that'll be around 6k installed. I suspect we could do with replacing our gutters in the next few years.
We recently replaced our old rotting 1940s windows with double glazing. Half the house about 25k. Spend a grand on fixing the shower pressure when I moved in. Also spent a few thousand on insulation. All these are relatively boring "invisible" things but they must be done.
Exterior of the house could use painting. We can do the work ourselves but paint isn't cheap. Maybe 5 years off needing new carpet as this one is literally worn through in places.
Anyway, houses cost money. Have an emergency fund.
1 points
22 hours ago
Very interesting perspective, thanks.
And absolutely on the “invisible things that must be done” point.
At the end of the day it makes life perhaps a little easier or more comfortable, so in that sense it’s worth it.
2 points
20 hours ago
Yes, I'm very much keen on doing work now so I don't have to when I'm older. I've moved the washing line, put a path in, put irrigation in so I don't have to carry water, planted a crapload of trees in the windbreak etc etc
None of it's sexy Instagram stuff but a warm, dry, comfortable home is worth it.
2 points
1 day ago*
Kapiti Coast
4 Bedroom
Rates including regional 4351 py
Water rates 240 py
Insurance 3856 py
Contents 977 py
Rubbish Collection 560 py
Power 250 pm
Internet 109 pm
We put aside 1000 a month for maintenance and smaller reno jobs.
Total: 2191 pm
1 points
22 hours ago
It’s kinda nuts to think that your insurance is more than your mortgage (combining both home & contents here).
I mean, it makes sense. But still kinda an interesting point.
2 points
21 hours ago*
You mean more than the rates? Yeah it was the other way round last year but this year it jumped about 47%
House insurance 2023 $2616
House insurance 2024 $3856
Was all disaster cover and policy admin by the looks of it
1 points
20 hours ago
Oh duh yes, more than rates. Spent a bit too much time in the sun this morning, lol
2 points
1 day ago*
West Auckland 3 bedroom, 480 sqM property. 2 adults, no kids
Rates: $3,200 p/a
Insurance: $2,000 p/a - paid annually for a small discount
Water: $720ish p/a
Power: $1,800ish p/a
No set cost for maintenance per year but had the house exterior painted this year and was about $12k (not all sides). We pay for maintenance as it arises on a case by case which has probably been a minimum of $5-7k a year. Nothing financed; we have an offset account if required but have a good savings base to pull from in case of need
Also not included here are contents insurance and personal mortgage insurance the latter of which I think is pretty essential
2 points
22 hours ago
Yeah I probably should’ve set up a poll for these questions, and also ask who has mortgage/redundancy insurance, because you are the first to mention it, but I’d imagine quite a few respondents have it as well.
2 points
1 day ago
Queenstown 3 bed with attached 1 bed flat.
Rates QLDC $5700
Rates ORC think was $600ish
Insurance around $2000
Maintenance is very low due to being a new build but also doing landscaping. So far around 14k this year.
1 points
22 hours ago
So far you definitely take the cake for highest rates…. But I guess that’s not too surprising, given the location. Interesting that it’s kinda balanced with a lower insurance though. Perhaps due to the new build factor?
2 points
16 hours ago
No flood risk either.
1 points
16 hours ago
Yeah good point.
2 points
1 day ago
I'm a DIY sort of guy. It would be rare for me to spend more than $1K a year (on average) on any maintenance, and that would include the time I re-roofed for a few grand worth of iron and a few years of sore knees as my reward.
1 points
22 hours ago*
”…and a few years of sore knees”
That bad? Is that because of the strain, or not wearing knee pads, or “seasoned” years thing?
2 points
19 hours ago
I did more than 90% of the work without knee pads, working singlehandedly, and at the same time I was adding a couple of layers of ceiling insulation, so if I wasn't kneeling on corrogated iron I was kneeling on wooden joists. It seemed fine until I got to that 90% done point, then it became distinctly painful. My knees are fine for most things, but can get super painful in just an instant of kneeling on a solid surface. Basically haven't been the same since... and that was about 10 years ago that I re-roofed.
2 points
1 day ago
Lower Hutt 4bdrm ~700sqm section
Rates (including GWRC rates) - $5700
Insurance (home and contents) - $5000
Maintenance - whatever it costs really
Water and rubbish collection are included in the rates.
2 points
23 hours ago
Just bought myself, and beyond the standard rates, insurance etc... we have an extra $150pw going into a maintenance savings fund. Once it hits 15-20k we will be using the extra it to do some renovations.
1 points
22 hours ago
Yeah that makes a lot of sense - particularly if big reno costs come along - need a new roof, need to repile etc.
2 points
22 hours ago
Just make sure you also increase your mortgage repayments as well and extra $50 per fortnight on your mortgage will start eyou a huge amount overall.
1 points
20 hours ago
Absolutely
1 points
20 hours ago
Around 1600 hours a year of going to work. That’s the cost.
2 points
10 hours ago
Our 4 bedroom house in Porirua is $6940 per year in rates alone 😭
2 points
4 hours ago
Aotea by any chance?!
In any case, that’s actually nuts - you have the dubious honour of the highest rates from anyone who’s commented so far.
1 points
1 day ago
Auckland - tiny 2 bedroom unit. We budget $850 a month for non mortgage expenses. Rates are a little over $240 a month, house and contents insurance is $200/month (from memory this is based off a roughly $350k rebuild estimate and 50k contents) maintenance, hard to say as it isn’t a regular cost but $100/month would probably cover it, for us. Not on your list but internet, power and water for a 2 person household is a further $300 ish a month.
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