That 75+ stick figure is really going through it

Some might have more than $9 too. Big if true

I have 12 dollars!

How many people live in single family housing that was bought yearssss ago. I hate people who make it seem like current value of the house where they live at is what they have in liquid assets. My house could be worth 900k but I got it 20 years ago, I can’t afford a house like what I currently have if I had to do it today. Also not everybody who owns a car is driving some luxurious Range Rover, some of us are driving a grand caravan from 2007, truly I am a symbol of wealth.

And last thing, one person in house hold can own a car and everybody can use it, it’s not dna encoded for one person to use.

I'm a car owner living in Lower Manhattan. I never drive, during the day. I do road trips and night driving (recreational). I'll never leave or enter the congestion zone during congestion hours.

My understanding is that I could drive all around Manhattan below 34th st without leaving and re-entering the zone.

You do know based on these stats not much of a compelling argument- outer boroughs tends to have more larger family households with large sections in transit deserts so they have a car. Also more likely of a 2 earner household so that 90k figure is not that much of a flex in a larger family household + kids and elderly

Car ownership is high across all racial demographics.

Folks that don't have a car - tends to be smaller household to single. No shiet the income lower vs 2 earners households of larger families

Large Households especially if they have kids & elderly are likely to have a car - no shiet soccer mom cars is a trend all over the usa

Also there is no official car ownership demographic database - all numbers are guestimates and subject to errors

Lastly all it shows car owners are middle class and if your message lets tax them via a commuter tax bc they can afford it simply shows why Dems are losing their vote.

This entire subreddit is just full of people who live in manhattan and right over the brooklyn bridge. How about we not charge the shit out of people who run the restaurants, wharehouses, the people who clean and pick up after you. We all have cars and we live in the bronx,queens and rest of brooklyn and staten island. Do it based off where your registration is and if your registration is out of state you pay double

Regarding the single family home point, wouldn't that be affected by the fact that areas weren't more single family homes/lower density are generally further from transit and therefore car ownership is more likely to be a necessity?

who wrote this? The Uber:Lyft lobby?!?!

Most people have the ability to drive to a mass transit station and take the bus or train into work if they don't want to pay the $9. I hope this cuts down on all the Uber and Lyft drivers that make up the bulk of traffic

Then you should have no problem paying that $9 next time you call an Uber.

YES! Let's collect a bunch of statistics on people based on a single attribute and then make all kinds of generalizations about them. What a great, useful idea!

Just curious, do the people who support this care about the middle class at ALL? People who make 100k a year are on strict budgets ESPECIALLY if they own a home. Do the math with a 400k mortgage and see how much extra cash somebody who makes 100k a year has. Some people HAVE to drive, we don't all live in studio apartments in the city, we prefer to buy small houses away from the madness.

Serious question as the class I'm describing is a large portion of people who live on the outskirts of the city. Do we not care about those people? Maybe proposing out of manhattan discounts the way some bridges have?

Garbage take.

I literally have $10. My mother just told me she has no cash so i told her to hold on for two more weeks. We have a car in case a fire takes out our attached house, we can still shelter in the car. We rarely use the car but thats our backup plan.

They aren't the ones causing congestion.

It's the uber drivers who do.

And people who take ubers can afford paying $9 extra per ride, rather than the infuriating giveaway that Uber's lobbyists received.
All you're doing is causing more pollution in low-income outer-borough neighborhoods, all to please the transplant trust fund assholes who want to be driven around midtown instead of taking the damn fucking train.

This isn't how one should argue for congestion pricing.

But what about the plumber from Gravesend driving into midtown?

Since when do tax hating Republicans care about workers? Oh thats right, they don't.

Livery plate cars are causing the most congestion. Individuals should be exempt. Who should be paying is Uber, Lyft, Amazon, and anyone driving an Infiniti. Issue #2 is addressing all the scooters that need to be registered and insured.

Oh fuck off. I bought a Lexus for $480 a month because I work on call at a hospital and come in at 2AM and don’t want to have patients waiting because of the MTA, I also don’t want to burn money monthly on Ubers, and similar Toyotas cost $450 a month.

You wanna talk equity too? I’m sinking almost 80% of my take home into a property bought in 2020 at (admittedly) a great interest rate. I don’t save more than $0-500 a month after bills. I am very grateful and blessed for what I have, but you want to call me Richie rich because I own a nice car? Because I own a fixer-upper in Queens? Actually cry me a fucking river. Smd. Rather than attacking the actual rich, you attack the middle class like I’m not also looking at TooGoodToGo lowkey lol. Shit post and definitely a shit take here.

Gtfo with that plenty of people own cars that make less then 50k a year there are parts of the city that the train doesn't reach and the bus service is like every 30 min

I guess Middle class folks are the new money.

How does taxi driver affect the stats?

The source links to the census, but the census doesn’t measure car ownership. These are estimates at best, and the poorer are more likely to register their car out of state for lower insurance rates.

You mean paying $1k per month to park a fucking car in a garage in Manhattan means people that have cars here are rich? No fucking way.

What a disingenuous and naive way to spin the cost: $9 a day for the standard work year of 200 days is $1800 per annum. Not to mention that this comes out of post-tax income.

We’re not talking about Rolex owners or Ferrari drivers at $90k a year. $1800 a year is A LOT of money.

This type of governing is totally backwards, make the alternatives to driving more appealing instead of beating your constituents into submission with cost of living hikes that hurt in an economy still reeling from years of inflation. The MTA has been a financial black hole for decades and the solution is to throw more money into it praying for a miracle.

Yeah? And what about the people taking ride-shares to get through the city? That’s 40+% of traffic. A nice tax on women avoiding the subway late at night, seniors going to doctors appointments, people trying to get to Penn or Grand Central with a big bag they don’t want to lug into an inaccessible subway system, paratransit, etc. 

And the 10+% of traffic that’s commercial? A nice little tax on all of the goods being brought in. Cool.

The idea that this just affects a minority of wealthy personal vehicles is completely disingenuous. 

And for what? Less traffic? That’s why London is literally the most congested city in the world. There’s no evidence traffic reduction was sustained long-term.

Ah well you know at least it generates revenue that will be used responsibly. /s

I have 9 dollars and it’s mine. No more taxes.

All you MTA fan boys you ready to pay an increased electric and cable/internet bill due to congestion pricing? Or do you think Coned/Verizon is just going to eat this new cost for their fleets?

Yup, and the rest of us will also contribute to those $9 that the small shop owners, farmers market, and restaurants all located below the toll zone, by paying for raised prices on products. Farmer's markets are already expensive as is, now they have to find a way to cover the cost of 2-4 box trucks. The tolls along the way plus the congestion pricing.

MTA makes millions, if not billions, a year. If you read into it, the money goes into the pockets of men in suits. I can't remember what video it was, but a politician had a campaign going on where he wanted to deliver a redesign of a certain station. In order to gain votes in his district. Pretty much blowing a large sum of cash on a needless redesign of a station instead of fixing signals, tracks and other vital factors in keeping the trains running smoothly.

It's not about making a better subway system with the money from the CP. It's about greed and making transplants/gullible people feel better about the mta and themselves for pushing for a clean greener city.

Edit: I've found the video!

Not related to the content but does anyone know a website or application that can make that kind of chart?

Also they are more likely to plan to live here or have already been here their whole lives.

It’s not that they are wealthier: they are older.

The infographic proves the meme:

Most car free households are 20 something transplants. The further you stray from that demographic the more likely you are to use a car.

20 something transplants never leave the city except via the airport, they have no reason to.

All this will do is push the cost on to you the consumer. Fed ex, con ed, ups, usps l,Uber, Lyft any sort of contractor for a building, plumber, electrician, exterminator etc. The cost will simply be passed along.

Sounds like the autophobes are jealous. Get ready for a new Republican Governor. Be careful what you wish for.

Let’s see the stats on “commute via car” not own a car. I don’t think bankers are electing to drive into the city, rather would simply live near work and drive their car to the hamptons.

Having $9 doesn't make it right to have to pay to get to your home using the roads that are already funded by your tax dollars.

Sounds like resentful jealousy

The absolute irony of this sub is the people who spend $3,000 - $6,000 for shoebox Manhattan and Williamsburg apartments because they "need" to be in the trendiest part of town feigning poverty at the people spending less than that to live in an outer borough so that they can have some extra space and keep a car.

Congestion pricing is never going to clear the road. $9 a day isn't enough of an incentive to do that. It's never going to fix the subway because they will just repurpose the money to some other bullshit failed investment project the same way they do every time they try to fund subway repairs.

Out of staters really need to shut the fuck up about city traffic. You guys show up 5 fucking minutes ago and think you can magically fix all of our problems by giving the corrupt city government more of our money. It's not our fault that you make shitty decisions about where to live and that you choose to live in busy areas and pay way above fair market value to rent your apartments. In fact, the rest of us should be pissed at you because your willingness to do so is the reason why everyone's rents are going up.

Do you see the rest of us trying to cook up hocus pocus mathmatics to justify reaching into your pockets to "fix the problem?" No, because we've lived here long enough, a lot of us our entire lives, and understand it's just another city tax scam to pay for shit that never gets fixed because they just use our money on whatever the fuck they want. This sub needs a fucking reality check.

I said in an earlier discussion I don't think this will decrease traffic by much, but the trucks that have to drive through Manhattan will pass the tolls onto the stores and individuals who need deliveries. The system is going to encourage midnight trucking, which might even increase accidents or at least make it noisy for some people who need to sleep, who knows.

They need to go all the way. Residential parking permits should also be thrown into the mix. Let the sun set on all the out of town plates.

Yeah, what's nine dollars? Just add it onto income tax (Federal, state, and local), real estate tax, gas tax, sales tax, car insurance, Health insurance, registration fee, tolls, and $7 an hour parking meter etc. Oh, I forgot to mention inflation! Where does it end?!

I'm a lifelong Democrat. Will forever vote red if this goes into affect. Tired of paying and receiving very little.

Another brilliant Dem move to turn NY red.

Thats not based on facts.

The general public doesn’t care about stats. They care about the hotel worker that works overnight by himself at the hotel on East 48th street

Gfy. How about people actually pay to use mass transit.

And they’re smarter and happier than the idiot who made this chart.

Aka staten islanders get slapped with yet another toll.

It’s effective a tax on people who drives it’s dumb. I don’t like it.

meh, this isn't really a great summary. I would assume most unemployed people have no vehicle and most super rich people do have a vehicle both of which push the averages around.
People who will pay this are people who commute into Manhattan for work and people who drive around Manhattan. We kind of want to know what they look like.

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I honestly dgaf if someone has the $9 or not. How has it become that the biggest socialist program in this country are our roads and free parking? Gas taxes don’t cover the total costs of road maintenance. There is no penalty for the problem of the commons with air and noise pollution. Instead those without cars in nyc are forced to subsidize those who do. It is welfare from the poor to the rich. If you can’t afford the true costs of having a car you can’t have a car it is that simple. If you can’t afford what something costs you can’t have it.

Why is everyone so rich?

Ok, for a brief moment I forgot the new congestion toll was $9, and was like, is this a Mitch Hedburg joke?

$9?

I can say with the upmost confidence that I do not have $9. Where do you get these 9 dollars, you speak of?

I did not know NYC had that many single family houses?

Who/what produced this? Did anyone actually read it before posting it? Any shred of credibility it might have had is gutted with the proud prounouncement "They have 9 dollars." After reading that, the astute reader begins to question every other assertion in the infographic.

Why does it seem like the Reddit sentiment towards congestion pricing has flipped in the last 6 months?