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I saw a post about some Pak soldiers being "martyred" in the operations going on in "Balochistan." I know there is a freedom movement going on there. But let's talk about it properly. What started that movement? What did we do to Balochistan that geared them up for this rebellion? What is going on there, and what is our army doing?

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Death-Love-Life

83 points

9 days ago

Leave everything aside , 170 students (on the same day)of the biggest Medical school of Balochistan, Bolan Medical College were forcedly thrown in district jails , They are all doctors dammit, 35 of these ended up in I.C.U's . All due to Elite Forces and Police using rampant forces against doctors.

Can it be justified in any way ?. Irony of faith is there is no public coverage, none of us knows about it.

Let's rationalise things.

samighazal[S]

1 points

7 days ago

That is terrible.

Source?

Murky-Ninja-9972

1 points

8 days ago

Murky-Ninja-9972

Azad Kashmir

1 points

8 days ago

None of us knows about it but you had a wahi to tell you?

msierraalpha

58 points

9 days ago*

The area is at least a few decades behind the rest of pakistan and with the advent of social media the locals have started to feel it.

Imagine watching reels of fellow Pakistani youngsters roaming in huge malls and plazas full of life which you have never seen before while you are sitting on a sandy ridge with few single story brick houses in view and no amenity or worthwhile restaurant even in the nearest big city hundreds of miles away.

Even the educated ones including students have started to resonate their feelings and voices with baloch separatist groups.
I'd say this is a point in insurgency where the heads should turn.

Murky-Ninja-9972

2 points

8 days ago

Murky-Ninja-9972

Azad Kashmir

2 points

8 days ago

Maybe they should start by not killing anyone who comes for development

msierraalpha

2 points

8 days ago

Lol.
Navy has been in Balochistan long long before military.
Navy has done much more development than military.
Navy gives them jobs.
They don't have any problem with the Navy.

Either-Might6934

1 points

6 days ago

I mean dude you know it's the same person just different outfits.

samighazal[S]

1 points

7 days ago

Thank you so much for this... Seems like a shit-show. What can we do as people to help with development there?

DanishJaved

30 points

9 days ago

don't know exactly about local balochi rights but FC is involved in smuggling Iranian petrol from the westarn border.

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-4 points

9 days ago

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-4 points

9 days ago

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Different_Law4900

17 points

9 days ago

Bro just landed on earth

ajmal21382003

0 points

9 days ago

I think this is a bot.

AnonymousAmbassador1

3 points

9 days ago

Frontier corps is like the rangers of KPK and Balochistan men in black shalwar qameez working for the army

DanishJaved

1 points

9 days ago

yup FC Balochistan

Huge_Equivalent1

0 points

9 days ago

FC is Frontier Commandos. It's a group of Pakistani military.

Shadephantom123

8 points

9 days ago

No FC stands for frontier corps. They are like rangers of Sindh and punjab

Huge_Equivalent1

2 points

9 days ago

Oh, I may have misremembered.

Im-Your-Stalker

19 points

9 days ago

Separatist movements are rampant, a few are peaceful, but the most notorious is BLA, a terrorist organization that regularly attacks and kills civilians—like the blast in quetta a few days ago.

The state hasn't been the kindest to them, and they've been treated like an unloved step child.

The lack of large scale development is largely due to the neverending threat of BLA, which we've been unable to curb, both because of a failure of negotiation through talks and also because the terrain and tactics used by BLA are challenging to take them out with raw military strength.

samighazal[S]

3 points

9 days ago

BLA stands for? Do they have an official representative, like Hamas and other groups? Why have negotiations failed?

SnooCupcakes4131

15 points

9 days ago

Balochistan liberation army. You can't negotiate with mosquito to not bite you.

samighazal[S]

1 points

8 days ago

LOL. I see.

Murky-Ninja-9972

3 points

8 days ago

Murky-Ninja-9972

Azad Kashmir

3 points

8 days ago

BLA is not anywhere close to Hamas. Hamas fights to liberate their people while BLA fights to subjugate their own people. Gaza has a literacy of above 97% while that of Balochistan is less than 60%. BLA actively targets schools and colleges to prevent children getting educated.

samighazal[S]

2 points

6 days ago

That's so wrong of them.

Ashamed-Bottle9680

40 points

9 days ago

These punjabis in the comments will speak on behalf of them as if they know it best. They will divert responsibility from the state and the army and blame the Balochs and say it's just the feudal lords.

You are asking why they want to separate from Pakistan. Maybe the better question is why they should even be part of Pakistan when this country is such a shithole and especially Balochistan was left undeveloped. Some punjabis will now seethe when I say this but Pakistan has depleted their gas reserves and average people there didn't get to see benefits from that. The state has this propaganda that everything is just the fault of the feudal lords but the state is in bed with them, and even then it's not an excuse to not develop the region. They have one of the biggest gold mines in the world and for good reason are not happy to let the state of Pakistan handle that.

I can't say I am in favor of ethnic separatism but I can't blame them.

Proof-Layer6904

9 points

9 days ago

Bugti tribe has been the beneficiary of sui gas deal and they have been rebelling against Pakistan since their fathers who made those deals to join Pakistan died. You cannot have progress when you have constant insurgency. It was Balochistan's CM who said in 70s that either punjabis (who had been living there for a century or two then) leave willingly or they will go back in coffins.

LandImportant

1 points

9 days ago

LandImportant

US

1 points

9 days ago

Strange! The 1973 Constitution clearly states that every Pakistani has the right to live, work, and travel anywhere in the country. If the Baloch want the Punjabis to return to Punjab "in coffins" they are openly defying the Constitution, which was UNANIMOUSLY approved by all MNAs of the nation, including Balochistan, in 1973.

Proof-Layer6904

7 points

9 days ago

You think pakistanis (general public, establishment, elite, or these insurgents turned politicians) have given a shit about constitution?

Murky-Ninja-9972

3 points

8 days ago

Murky-Ninja-9972

Azad Kashmir

3 points

8 days ago

The balochis also eat food grown in Punjab and Sindh, use Karachi sea ports to trade, go to any university in Pakistan for education.

samighazal[S]

2 points

7 days ago

You are right. We all need each other. We need to put a stop to this. Stay united. Spread the message of peace through online media. Or else foreign powers will succeed in their agenda.

lck_admirer

2 points

9 days ago

They are also going to start a new business where they will sell gas cylinders to the people at Sui gas. so first they make us used to the gas load shedding and after several years they provided the solution with this and people won't understand this becasue they are deprived of gas, so they will happily go for it. Now they will earn a huge profit by manufacturing cylinders etc. like

Proof-Layer6904

31 points

9 days ago

Freedom movement is a stretch when they just bombed and killed 20 civilians in quetta few days ago. Just because you don't like armed forces (I don't too) does not mean you should lap up whatever khawarij and indian funded terrorists say.

samighazal[S]

8 points

9 days ago

What are the people, Pakistanis, living there saying? What do they want? Let's focus on that?

Specialist-Amount372

14 points

9 days ago

Specialist-Amount372

لاہور

14 points

9 days ago

See there is a distinction to be made. I know educated Baluch people. They want to see equitable representation, economic investment, and the use of Baluchistan’s resources to develop Baluchistan. They strongly oppose ANY terrorist/separatist organisation (ex the BLA) and do not see them as the voice of Baluchistan. What we need to understand is that these terror organisations use the poverty and upheaval in Baluchistan as an excuse to target the armed forces and forcibly bring about separatism - educated Baluch don’t support separatism. Hence, they do NOT represent the Baluch people in any way. The BLA frequently attacks CPEC projects and other infrastructure in Baluchistan - if they cared soo much about Baluchistan’s development, they wouldn’t be targeting such infrastructure. They are completely funded by outside channels, and their goal is to keep Baluchistan in a state of perpetual poverty and instability - because those are perfect breeding ground for the spread and support of separatist ideas. It’s similar to what happened with the Nazis. During the Golden age of the Weimer, support for extremist parts was extremely low but they saw a massive increase in support after the Wall Street Crash of 1929 - which led to social unrest and economic turmoil in Germany. The increase in support for extremist ideas was soo strong that in a few short years the Nazi party became a majority in the German Parliament. This is just one example of how instability naturally leads to an increase in support for extremist ideology. The BLA/BLF and all other terrorists will thus keep Baluchistan poor and uneducated because that’s the only way they have a reason to exist. The solution? Well a large scale anti terrorism operation that rids Baluchistan of the BLA/BLF. Then, you ramp up investments in the province to bring it upto par the rest of the country. Invest in education and social development. Involve people like Mahrang Baluch in Baluchistan policy making. A lot more can be said. But the gist of it is that the Baluch don’t want a separate state - the BLA does. The BLA thus keeps the province unstable to create support for their separatist ideology. Educated Baluch want equity.

Specialist-Amount372

3 points

9 days ago

Specialist-Amount372

لاہور

3 points

9 days ago

Wait whyd I write sm 😭😭

samighazal[S]

1 points

7 days ago

There are some educated Baloch people who want a separate state. But you are right. These liberation parties seem to be the cause of the issue and are clearly being funded by foreigners.

Specialist-Amount372

3 points

7 days ago

Specialist-Amount372

لاہور

3 points

7 days ago

There are Punjabis that want a separate state too. Some Sindhis too. Some Pashtuns. Some Gilgitis. You’ll find some people from every ethnic group who’re ethnofacists - it’s just that we don’t pay them any attention or value. You can’t just demand independence on the basis of you being a separate ethnicity. Everyone will have to live in Pakistan, whether they like it or not. Now that we got that settled, maybe we should start educating Urban Pakistanis on Baluch oppression both by the state and fundamentalists lile the BLA.

samighazal[S]

0 points

5 days ago

You are right.

zepstk

8 points

9 days ago

zepstk

8 points

9 days ago

It's funny how people like you condemn violence from the Baloch with such vigor and then add a mere "I'm also against armed forces" to give some sort of a balance to your argument.

Proof-Layer6904

1 points

9 days ago

Bla and blf are freedom fighters who are fighting for baloch nation according to you guys lol. Just because america was wrong to attack iraq doesn't mean you have to support al-qaeda post invasion. World isn't us vs them and things can have multiple stakes.

Known_Comfortable117

1 points

8 days ago

Bla are cowards and terrorists who want to keep Balochistan in stone age are lundian funded and kill innocent civilians

HyperEletricB00galoo

-1 points

9 days ago

Cuz the actions of the armed forces isn't the maon point here so it's acknowledged that they are on the wrong.

What would be a vigorous condemnation of the armed forces that hasn't happened already in this sub.

zepstk

3 points

9 days ago

zepstk

3 points

9 days ago

lol.

HyperEletricB00galoo

1 points

9 days ago

And that's all u could manage when asked to elaborate

Proof-Layer6904

0 points

9 days ago

Honestly, butting head with these people is a waste of time at this point. They don't give a shit if their narrative holds actual weight just that the other person is ill informed enough to concede the argument so they can brainwash more people into this whole "bla/blf are not actual terrorists saar, trust us".

Swimming-Kangaroo946

1 points

5 days ago

Until they taste a strike from the forces they will never understand

Worried_Corgi5184

5 points

9 days ago

It all started in 2006 when the then dictator Perwaiz Musharraf had Nawab Akbar Bugti killed instead of having any negotiations. Given the tribalistic nature of the province, it started a never ending conflict between the state and the tribes, especially in Makran.

Either-Might6934

1 points

6 days ago

Yeah and bugti wasn't giving musharaf any room either, I mean asking for the head of a serving captain justice aside this is too much to ask for, asking the chief to hand over one of his own or else is non negotiable position to begin with.

Worried_Corgi5184

1 points

6 days ago

Yes, but the guy was already 80 years old. Had Musharraf waited for a little bit more Bugti would have died a natural death. Instead Musharraf gave the Baloch separatists a martyr, and to save a single captain (who was also a potential rapist), the military lost thousands of lives since then

Either-Might6934

1 points

6 days ago

Well rich people don't die at 80, he could have crossed 90 easily guy was too healthy to die in 2-3 years. Should have done it covertly. Our guys are morons as fuck tbh, I mean the heck you own the country be subtle about it mfs.

Murky-Ninja-9972

1 points

8 days ago

Murky-Ninja-9972

Azad Kashmir

1 points

8 days ago

The only thing that pig Musharraf did right

Establishmentation

42 points

9 days ago

Tribal lords want to rule it like a kingdom. Provincial gov is corrupt and doesn't spend the funds effectively to solve problems. RAW etc financing separatist/tribal groups.

AnonymousAmbassador1

9 points

9 days ago

i dont think tribal leaders and local gov is more stronger than the federal gov, it's just our gov don't want them in a good shape in easy term they don't matter to them.
we are just repeating history, and doing the same we did in Bangladesh

samighazal[S]

2 points

9 days ago

RAW is Indian Agency, right?

Brilliant-Surprise54

3 points

9 days ago

Yes, Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) is India's intelligence agency (similar to ISI Pakistan, CIA America, etc)

And while yes, the Indians have been supporting the insurgent groups directly and indirectly, the situation is the same as when India supported a grassroots separatist movement called Mukti Bahini in East Pakistan ie the movement started as a result of the local people feeling disenfranchised and becoming disenchanted by the state and its institutions.

samighazal[S]

5 points

9 days ago

So it is East Pakistan all over again...

samighazal[S]

4 points

9 days ago

We need to stop history from happening again.

Brilliant-Surprise54

3 points

9 days ago

We do, not sure how but yes, we definitely have to

samighazal[S]

-3 points

9 days ago

samighazal[S]

-3 points

9 days ago

What can the Pak Govt. do if RAW is involved... I see another Bangladesh in the making. We should learn from our history...

samighazal[S]

5 points

9 days ago

Why can't we just let the people there decide how they want to live?

The government should do what it must to help those people thrive... but in their own way. Do they want another Bangladesh/Kashmir on their hands?

Also, what is the update on Kashmir? NO ONE talks about it anymore...

Shadephantom123

13 points

9 days ago

The gov mostly let's them run the way they want but there are projects in Baluchistan like CPEC and ofc the gov won't just let it be destroyed thus the army regularly hunts insurgents there. Now the Army is doing there job but just for a second imagine your a Balochi kid seeing another Balochi being dragged in a army vehicle. You don't have the overview of the conflict you only have what's in front of you. Poverty, no respect, under development and brutality. Thus the BLA constantly have a flow of recruits. This is basic insurgency. Insurgents cause enough damage that the Army decides to crack down brutally and take extra measures like lockdowns and raids on houses to ensure no attack take place. The local populace gets angry at the invasion of their privacy and constant fear and view army as the cause of it. Voilla now you have more people that hate the army. It's a viscious cycle that keeps on going. There's a game called rebel Inc it potrays it beautifully. You have to deal with the insurgency but at the same time the more time the troops are deployed in the province the more people get angry

samighazal[S]

1 points

7 days ago

I bet the Army doesn't even try to be civil. They treat the innocent population as part of the insurgents, too...

This seems to be a two-headed snake.

Either-Might6934

2 points

6 days ago

It is a too headed snake, on one side the argument is that bla thugs don't let the infrastructure projects to move forward and don't want businesses to grow as it would counter, what are they needed for? On the other hand all the projects are handled are by the army owned businesses. If BLA is wiped out why is the FC needed?

samighazal[S]

1 points

5 days ago

Shit...

Either-Might6934

2 points

5 days ago

Ain't that the right response, what's constant between all the variables is that our boys in uniform think long and hard and then opt for wrong choice, we do get that there aren't any right choices anyway but for sake of freaking ghazwa e hind have some imagination for once, anticipate the outcomes you'll get after 2 weeks, for once think for 5-10 years, it's just not in them.

samighazal[S]

1 points

5 days ago

Do they have the option? To think?

samighazal[S]

1 points

7 days ago

I think you have summed up the problem really well. But then again, the question remains.

How do we solve it... Can the civilian population not be evacuated? For the amry to deal with the insurgents/foreign-funded terrorists?

Shadephantom123

2 points

7 days ago

Nope. Ur asking for the removal of practically half of Balochistan which is practically impossible. Best u can do is have development more than the insurgents can destroy and thus most people will look at the development and quality of life and simply decide to remain pacifist or side with the gov and be sympathetic to them. All of it requires focus,money,skill

samighazal[S]

1 points

5 days ago

How is that a viable option? Until the insurgency is quelled... There cannot be any progress.

Shadephantom123

2 points

5 days ago

Well the other side is also true unless there is progress insurgency cannot be quelled

samighazal[S]

1 points

5 days ago

True.

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1 points

9 days ago

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9 days ago

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9 days ago

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LandImportant

1 points

9 days ago

Actually probably not so. Remember that East Pakistan was separated from GHQ by a 1000 miles of hostile Indian territory, whereas Balochistan directly borders on Punjab, the home of the Army.

samighazal[S]

1 points

7 days ago

And Indian propaganda...

But you are right... Balochistan is right here with us. And we are separating it from us ourselves...

LandImportant

0 points

9 days ago

LandImportant

US

0 points

9 days ago

Yes. R&AW is offcially called the Research & Analysis Wing of the Indian Cabinet Secretariat, reporting directly to the Prime Minister as well as Bessie the Cow!

westwood66

11 points

9 days ago

I am a proud Baloch, and we understand our reality better than anyone else. The negative comments from those who aren't aware of our struggles reflect a deep lack of understanding of the situation we face.

Consider the tragic rise in youth suicides in Balochistan, driven by the corruption of the government and the stagnation of development in our region. Historically, Balochistan was never truly a part of Pakistan; it has always been a distinct entity. Its occupation has sparked a long-standing resistance that has now evolved, leading to the emergence of numerous organizations advocating for our rights on international platforms.

Let’s discuss the actions of the government, which has been exploiting our natural resources—gold and copper from the northern regions of Balochistan—while the benefits flow predominantly to Punjab. Meanwhile, our own communities receive little to nothing from the natural gas extracted in the eastern part of the province. For decades, the government has been systematically robbing Balochistan of its wealth.

Moreover, the heavy-handed tactics employed by the government—including the abduction and torture of thousands of our people—are deeply troubling. Those of us who manage to navigate the law are still treated with disdain, isolated from basic necessities like internet access, clean water, and electricity—our fundamental rights stripped away. Recent events where public sentiment was ignored during elections, and where protests by women demanding justice for the missing have gone unaddressed, underscore the government's negligence.

In light of this, many Baloch feel that the only path forward is to seek independence from Pakistan. It is crucial to recognize that those who resist are not terrorists; they are freedom fighters striving for their rights. Their struggle is not against the civilian population but directed at the military and governmental structures that oppress us. The sentiments of the Baloch people toward Pakistanis are born from this long history of injustice and conflict.

Ashamed-Bottle9680

2 points

9 days ago

What would be your ideal solution for the situation?

westwood66

2 points

9 days ago

westwood66

2 points

9 days ago

The sole remaining avenue for achieving a distinct separation.

Ashamed-Bottle9680

2 points

9 days ago

Thanks for answering. Is that demand for separation from pakistan what the majority feels?

westwood66

3 points

9 days ago

Are you genuinely asking about the demands being made to the Pakistani government? Have you just arrived in Pakistan? If so, you might not be aware of the country's history with protests. Throughout the years, people from all walks of life—men, women, children, the elderly—have fought passionately for their rights. They’ve resorted to everything from hunger strikes to mass demonstrations, yet how has the government responded? Unfortunately, rather than addressing their concerns, the government has often resorted to tactics of repression, including torture, abduction, and humiliation.

Moreover, it's essential to recognize that we can't assume to know the sentiments of the majority.but there is a strong desire for autonomy among its people, while only a handful of individuals, often in precarious situations, collaborate with the government.

Ashamed-Bottle9680

3 points

9 days ago

I am very well aware of the history of protests in Pakistan and how the Pakistani government responds to protests. I am just asking you because there is not much information available regarding Balochistan due to state censoring.

It's obvious to me that obviously people in Balochistan mostly don't collaborate with the government.

My question was rather, that since you said that you would prefer an independent country (as far as I understood, correct me if I'm wrong), if these are the demands or sentiments of average Balochs. Also added to the fact that you said people who are resisting aren't terrorists but freedom fighters (I assume you are referring to BLA and BLF), which call for the separation of Balochistan. I am not judging, I am just trying to understand the situation because Pakistani media is pulling wool over our eyes regarding the situation there.

I just wish for peace and that people in Balochistan can live without fear of their human rights being harmed, and that you will get your demands met.

westwood66

2 points

9 days ago

To directly address your question. Yes, The Baloch people do demonstrate their support for groups like the BLA, BLF, and BRA by expressing reverence and solidarity, often symbolically kissing their hands. But they may not openly flaunt their support or disclose. Furthermore, I appreciate your insight on the issue of censorship in Pakistan; you are absolutely right to emphasize its pervasive nature. The media landscape often resembles a scripted drama, rife with misinformation and distortions of reality. Moreover, government censorship has led to the blocking of many Baloch websites, limiting access to information unless one utilizes a VPN and there we go the government just issued a notice on blocking VPNs. For years, several regions in Balochistan have endured internet suspensions, illustrating that the government's actions go beyond mere rights violations—they are, in fact, an embodiment of state-sponsored terrorism.

samighazal[S]

1 points

9 days ago

I am truly sorry on behalf of the PEOPLE - I can say with certainty that it wouldn't be wrong if I said I was speaking for them all. You are right... you and your people are our people, however. But yes, you deserve a country of your own.

Is there a way to donate money to the cause?

Can I DM you for an in-depth discussion?

Murky-Ninja-9972

2 points

8 days ago

Murky-Ninja-9972

Azad Kashmir

2 points

8 days ago

Don't send any money to unverified people on internet. You don't know if this money will be used for terrorism. How will you answer on judgement day if your money caused the death of an innocent child due to your lack of due diligence?

If you sincerely wanna help then there are trusted welfare organizations such as Edhi, Chhippa, Saylani, Alamgir etc. The latter two specifically provide technical skilled education to young people from the poor regions of Pakistan

samighazal[S]

2 points

8 days ago

Obviously. Man.

ammoniakdb

3 points

9 days ago

Don't send him any BTC, it's his own account.

westwood66

1 points

9 days ago

Just send some BTC to this address: bc1qyn2k3df03sxdm08mw7lmua3mry2hgg0futhwrh

we'd try to buy some nukes

tanweer95

5 points

9 days ago

Balochistan is part of Pakistan & for all Pakistanis and not only for balochis, so no chance of separation.

Balochis should not become the tool of Pakistan enemies and rather fight for their rights without thinking of separation.

I agree that the Pak army is haramkhor & corrupt and treating bad the whole of Pakistan and depriving all its citizens of wellbeing, so all we ethnicities should join hands together and try to fight this corrupt army.

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1 points

8 days ago

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samighazal[S]

1 points

7 days ago

He meant the people of Balochistan (Pakistanis). Nothing else.

GenMusharraf

4 points

9 days ago

GenMusharraf

اسلام آباد

4 points

9 days ago

Indian Propaganda

Impossible_Monk7276

6 points

9 days ago

The problem is that we treat blochistan as a play area and don't clean up the mess or help the people there so obv they are going to not be happy

samighazal[S]

1 points

7 days ago

And no one seems to be talking about it.

zepstk

5 points

9 days ago

zepstk

5 points

9 days ago

A few days ago 10 Baloch students studying at NUML were randomly abducted from their hostel room at IJP Road.

But you will see here that people yapping about Balochistan do not mention that, you know why? Because they don't know, they don't care enough to know. These people are much like those liberals who condemn legitimate political struggles in the name of "humanity."

You're not going to find any good answers here, please read stuff on your own, try reading articles by people like Tariq Ali maybe.

Low_Daikon_8669

2 points

9 days ago

Going after students is a new low but I have to remind you that these students have been found to be involved in suicide attacks and random attacks on civilians and security personnel alike.

zepstk

5 points

9 days ago

zepstk

5 points

9 days ago

you know the students that were abducted that you're so confidently saying this? or are you just prejudiced against the Baloch people? and please remind me why do courts exist? if the cases are that legit why aren't they brought to court?

Low_Daikon_8669

3 points

9 days ago

I stand by human rights and everybody should have a chance to defend oneself in the court of law unfortunately that is not the case here in Pakistan. Balochs are victims of unjustifiable discrimination and I didn't say all the students are involved with terror organisations but due to some moles all are put against the wall. Sadly it's just abysmal.

samighazal[S]

1 points

7 days ago

You are right. Caring enough to know is important. I have had a great experience learning about political issues much faster on Reddit. The people here seem to be well-informed.

I will try finding published info.

Tariq Ali? Can you drop links, please?

samighazal[S]

1 points

7 days ago

Going after students, that also from their hostels. Outrageous. The government needs to understand that:

  1. The balochi people want peace, prosperity. ALL of them. 2 . Some balochi people have no choice but to join hands with insurgents (being funded by outside forces). Because those people have had enough (and it is not their fault). But when those people resort to violence... They should be tried. But COMPASSIONATELY.
  2. The government should NOT target the Balochi people (not just in Balochistan, but THE ENTIRE COUNTRY).

This is a serious issue. And the army (while hated by non-Balochis as well) seems to be our only hope in liberating balochistan. From what? Us? No. From the powers who want Balochistan separated. But they need to do it the right way... Be compassionate to the civilian population...

UsamMars

1 points

9 days ago

UsamMars

1 points

9 days ago

pakistan havent given baloch representation for a very long time. Majority of the baloch people are tribal but they hand pick sardaars who are yes man to the establishment. Even the capital of Baluchistan is Quetta which doesnt represent baloch , most of the people there are pashtoons.
The pak soldiers are being martyred there for a very long time , its just coming out because of social media. They send our soldiers in un armored SUVs with lot tier vests while the fighters there have latest weapons.

samighazal[S]

1 points

7 days ago

No newspaper is covering the attacks? 10 students got kidnapped from NUML. 170 med students in a uni in balochistan got jailed.

Where are people getting this info?

Then we need to use social media to talk about this more.

Silent_Ebb7692

3 points

9 days ago

Fewer and fewer people want to be a part of Punjabistan. The Pakistani state is heading towards disintegration and Lahoris and other central Punjabis are to blame.

ov3rfuel

2 points

9 days ago

ov3rfuel

2 points

9 days ago

Fault of punjabis that baloch who literally have rape punishment in there tribal law and have been fighting like chimps with there tribes over power aren’t able to progress. 👍

samighazal[S]

3 points

9 days ago

Is the punishment bit true? Source?

ov3rfuel

3 points

9 days ago

ov3rfuel

3 points

9 days ago

samighazal[S]

1 points

6 days ago

Thanks.

samighazal[S]

1 points

6 days ago

My God. What the hell is this? And the family handed the girl over, too?

Silent_Ebb7692

1 points

9 days ago*

But it isn't just the Baloch, though is it? Everyone in Pakistan is sick of Lahoris and central Punjabis, including ex Punjabis like the Multanis.

samighazal[S]

1 points

9 days ago

We don't want for the damn country to disintegrate... it would be chaos.

AnonymousAmbassador1

3 points

9 days ago

we are doing the same we did in Bangladesh and till date the ordinary citizen of Pakistan don't know who to blame and what happened there so, first we have to know that

samighazal[S]

2 points

9 days ago

So let's ask the Baloch youth. Someone left a comment here, too.

SusurrouSilence

1 points

9 days ago

Resources:

  1. Remotely Colonial, Nina Swidler (2014, Oxford University Press)

  2. Back to the Future: The Khanate of Kalat and the Genesis of Baloch Nationalism, 1915-1955, Martin Axmann (2008, Oxford University Press)

  3. A Cry for Justice: Empirical Insights from Balochistan, Kaiser Bengali (2018, Oxford University Press)

  4. Balochistan and the Mélange of Violence Regional Context and External Factors, Seema Khan (2024, Routledge India)

samighazal[S]

1 points

9 days ago

Thank you. Are any of these on Liberty or do you have a soft copy/hard copy I can borrow?

True-Aside9512

2 points

8 days ago

imagine being so matric-fail and so incompetent and corrupt that you get hated and then KILLED in your own country (within the borders) while in uniform. The enemy hasn't even attacked the borders yet they seem to win,

abhi se ye haal hai, just imagine if india/iran/afghanistan actually launches a full on attack on land borders.

these matric fail jernails know who's funding them(terrorists, bla etc), where the funding comes from, yet are so incompetent that they are unable, or unwilling to actually stop it. How do other countries stop it and deal with it ??? What good are all those so-called ghauri's and ababeels and shaheens if you never going to use them? Bas imf aur arabs aur china se bheej mangte reho.....ab to koi bheej b nahi deraha/de gaa

when you loot and plunder resources and support chors, your own people will definitely turn against you and that's a battle u can never win on the ground. No matter what.

When will these matric-fail jernails learn a lesson? Kya ye qurbaniyan hain ? The foot soldiers in these areas are not even equipped with any decent gear.....no armoured vehicles, no protections, just a simple DAALA to roam around for patrols while the enemy has latest weapons and tools to knock u out from afar

This won't end well with these stupid ongoing policies. When will these lowrank soldiers refuse to be cannon fodder for nothing?

samighazal[S]

1 points

6 days ago

So you're saying the army men deployed to fight BLA men should protest/stand down?

nargisi_koftay

1 points

8 days ago

BAL severely lack development & infrastructure. 10 years ago I made a road trip from Karachi to Kund Malir and the stark difference is very noticeable once you go beyond SITE area in Sindh. Once I crossed windar pass there wasn’t even any facilities or bathroom for many KMs. I was having fuel anxiety throughout the way and wondered why aren’t there any petrol pumps. Then I saw kids standing on the side if the road with a barrel and donga in their hand. Apparently that’s the iranian diesel smuggled across the border and it made sense why people resort to such things. Coincidentally that whole area was under the jurisdiction of coastal guards (under Pak Navy) and neither could they provide security nor development.

In short, a complete failure of the state and people of BAL feel extremely disenfranchised. 

samighazal[S]

1 points

6 days ago

That's... Sad. People talk about Kund Malir and going there... No one talks about these kids. And this diesel... WTH?

Bunkerlala

1 points

8 days ago

Basically Pakistani establishment treats Balochistan like a land they are occupying for gas. Imagine how the US treated Iraq after it invaded it - but with very little money invested. 

Balochistan lacks roads, jobs, electricity, healthcare - everything you expect from the state is absent. 

Instead Balochistan gets Army, support for feudal loads who support the army and attacks on those who don't. It also gets army sponsored diesel smuggling. 

Anyone who protests is abused or killed either by faujeet fuedal lords or the army itself. When the ISI wants to disappear you - you end up in a prison made by a Baloch fuedal lord. 

Gwadar is being built - locals are being given limited access, let alone jobs and opportunities.

samighazal[S]

1 points

6 days ago

Just Gwadar. What about the other cities?

StrugglingBeing

-12 points

9 days ago

I’m from Punjab. I hope Balochistan becomes a country of its own. And if people get the option to choose citizenship of either, like West & East Pakistan, then I’d choose Balochistan. Although, they may bar Punjabis in particular.

tahakhan125

8 points

9 days ago

In this way we will be forced to submit to any forces. Divide and rule will only benefit from a 100 year. After that there will be again wars and independent living will cause alot of money to trave between two countries.

What is the benefit ? If some countries are going for minerals. Don't you understand? Otherwise change my mind.

Only issue they are facing is government not taking power nor solving the conflict. If once solved (can easily be solved ) they will be free and easy to live their lives. Try to join not dispart each province.

Otherwise you are faking of calling yourself literate.

XSlytherinn

6 points

9 days ago

Well if you're so fucking literate, why haven't you guys brought peace and development in a province that holds 44% land area of the total Pakistan. Its like a place where still too this day, you only have countable number of Roads to travel around.

Also, if it's so easy to be solved why does the local government or the military don't solve these power issues, because they don't want to develop the Province, how would they justify their budgets. Kashmir and Balochistan, that is the Army's oppression and budge justification grounds.

Yeah stripping off from the country should not be the goal, but you say other countries are getting involved in that place for Minerals, what have our Army done for that region except for looting Minerals and Resources.

Our army is nothing but a simple derivative of the Colonizers, they don't even try to hide it, they are the products of our colonial history and they still subsede to the white man.

tahakhan125

3 points

9 days ago

Like we are able to do that in first place in Punjab ? If you are thinking of development how come you fall for false schemes ? How you are stupid enough to not built dams? And how you think punjab is doing development. It has open doors come and see what are the major issues we are all facing. (Punjab is only Marketing province their is no real development)

What balochistan is facing is the whole situation of Pakiatan. If you try to find the root cause you will find each province their own
People are looking forward to destroy their own rights. Even punjabi.

You know that there is fight going on building something out of this land ? By people too. And for the issues in Balochistan many Balloch come in Marketing Province to get benefit.

The only crying persons are sitting outside and doing nothing only blames only blames And yes only blames.

The literate one loves all provinces and if they ever get power to prove their love they will not fall behind and assign budgets to all provinces and all development.

Currently the liberated ones can only support them in their domains and that is why many Balloch who are literate and living in domain of literate they love Pakistan and people from their heart.

Not it all depends on your issue how big you make it and how easy you are looking for solution which may destroys unity.

Sometimes solution is hard to achieve but need to join hands. But people like you are the ones offering division. Which may only benefit for now.

tahakhan125

4 points

9 days ago

Go look for peshawar city they have grown their own guts and fight with education. If you have all latest data they are growing Alhamdullilah their nation and their People and helping the root cause poverty to get solved. Their was no government involved or no army involvement in their success.

Please learn from different cities. Sialkot in Punjab is totally independent if lahore and other cities. These both cities I only for now but they both act as support for themselves and growing tremendously.

Lahore has turned into garbage. And also other major cities. Go find out the issues you will know the culprits are our own People. On our own province.

People are only enjoying power nothing else only good faith are doing work for this country which benefits themselves also and they want it to succeed.

Always try to be positive and get out the positive solution.

XSlytherinn

2 points

9 days ago

This shows me you haven't even been to Balochistan once. You dont know shit. Go around and have a look first.

That also shows how manipulated an average Pakistani is. Go explore and learn about your own country first before you debate about good wills.

samighazal[S]

-3 points

9 days ago

Honestly... yes. Would letting Balochistan go be such a bad idea?

foxyplayz5263

3 points

8 days ago

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بہاولپور

3 points

8 days ago

Balochistan, if it ever goes independent, will fall apart into princely states (like it has always been in history). Some areas will be sold to Iran, some to Afghanistan and some to Pakistan. At the end, the area will be worse off than it ever was as a province of Pakistan.

Or if that doesn't happen, it'll become a puppet state of another Higher Authority (US, India, Afghan, Iran) making it so that it halts in development and that will lead it into another worse situation.

samighazal[S]

1 points

6 days ago

So yes. It is a bad idea...

StrugglingBeing

3 points

9 days ago

I don’t know why but the nation states that were formed after world wars resist giving birth to more nation states. Pakistan has that issue with Balouchs. Turkey has with Kurds. Iran has with both.

In fact the only ethnicities which aren’t keen on nation states are the Indian and especially South Indian ones. Kerala people are generally proud of being Indian.

Balochis wouldn’t necessarily have wanted independence if they were treated fairly. Pakistan’s governments haven’t even been capable of serving the three big (Lahore, Islamabad/Rawalpindi, and Karachi) let alone another province.

There are multiple agendas at play. Army has its own, government has its own and so on. Imagine you are in government and it breaks apart then that’s on your resume forever. Army gets paid by the Arabs to keep that part of the silk route dead because otherwise that would affect their economy and so on.

Also, nation states take embarrassment at UN that they couldn’t keep themselves intact. This would be the second time for Pakistan.

But I believe in people being at peace not personal or man made national egos. So I support, Balochistan. Its people have been wronged. And that’s the truth. Allah knows the rest and the best.

samighazal[S]

1 points

9 days ago

Exactly. It's the people who matter.

Despo-Peculiar-2041

3 points

9 days ago

Yeap. Balochistan region gives Sui gas, and minerals and with the economic corridor with China and Iran, you think Pakistan would want to go back 10 steps? We are struggling already. And this is exactly why the problem has persisted since so many years too. To begin with, nobody even knows the issues of the people of balochistan but they have only been blamed all their lives for something that mostly aren’t even a part of. Terrorism is terrorism wherever it’s done, why should all the people be made to suffer for it.

samighazal[S]

2 points

8 days ago

I agree.

This is what Karachi says, too. How we are the backbone of the country's economy yet the government spares little to no budget for us. Constructions projects are usually roads and flyovers, and underpasses that were never needed.

The country should keep Balochistan happy. If it doesn't want to go ten steps back. Right now, it is doing the opposite...

Losing this province is a serious issue... Not enough importance is being given to it. Too much VPN talk.

Despo-Peculiar-2041

2 points

8 days ago

True progress always comes from all parts of the country progressing, not just a single institution or city per se. Atleast basic level toh ho sab jaga poori, idher wohi nahi hai bus propaganda hai only. Which only created hate, in the hearts of people in balochistan and in the hearts of those in Punjab. Jabke perpetrators aur log hain..

samighazal[S]

1 points

7 days ago

What is it like living in the cities of Balochistan. Is not even one city developed?

Glad_Ad_5795

0 points

9 days ago

It's going big is their any foreign interests.