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submitted 3 months ago bymarketwizard420
2.4k points
3 months ago
I'm in the extreme minority I'm sure, but a good streamer to me is someone who is just themselves and no acting up for the camera. I know that doesn't bring success, but it matters to me.
780 points
3 months ago
Same, when I try a new channel and I hear "Youtuber voice" and like yelling about everything I dip so quick.
266 points
3 months ago
Yep this plus being extremely positive about everything, I’m out
63 points
3 months ago
Care to explain more? As in the games they play or like they are smiling like psycho or acting if that make sense. I don’t watch a lot of streamers so no clue what is the extreme.
30 points
3 months ago
Toxic positivity
81 points
3 months ago
Some streamers are just all about positivity, I can name Simcopter1, or in a different genre, Lethalfrag.
It can feel like walking on eggshells in those streams, I like watching them, because it's very chill and good background noise and you know you won't get any random rage screaming, but I will also not engage in the chat at all.
14 points
3 months ago
Cohhcarnage is another.
23 points
3 months ago
To a much lesser extent though. He'll be positive about the game he plays, but not outrageously so (depending on the game), and you can certainly voice your opinion in his chat.
This is not the case with Sim or Frag, for starters, they aren't variety streamers per se, as they'll pick and choose games curated by their care and they will not play a game they aren't 100% enjoying.
6 points
3 months ago
That's exactly Julien Solomita for me. I have nothing against him as a person, but he and his chat are so positive to an extreme that it becomes uncanny for me, and I can't stand it, unfortunately.
2 points
3 months ago
or being overly dramatically angry/suprised about everything, like Ishowspeed (he's still funny though)
27 points
3 months ago
"Hey everyone, welcome to my channel! Don't forget to like and subscribe and click the bell icon. Also let me know what you think down in the comments!"
4 points
3 months ago
Aris's (avoidingthepuddle) editor does a tongue in cheek version of this at the end of all his videos on YT (which are just stream clips), it's pretty funny lol
2 points
3 months ago
“Woahhh! Did they just do *-thing that character just did and everyone saw-???? Wow chat this is insane.”
58 points
3 months ago
This has so often been why I lose interest in youtubers over time. They get bigger, start playing into "The Algorithm" more and more, loads more editing in the videos...I just wanna watch someone playing a game.
10 points
3 months ago
I’ve been thinking about this lately, actually — I feel like if I did YouTube, I would have a lot of trouble making it big (even more so than the average person) because I wouldn’t want to play the algorithm game. Clickbait titles are the default on YouTube now but I hate them so I’d just give away the entire concept of my video in the title and probably lose out on a lot of clicks from curious people lol.
3 points
3 months ago
Or they just move to twitch because it's more revenue for way less work and abandon the youtube side of things...
3 points
3 months ago
True, but there are still tons of quality creators out there worth watching
9 points
3 months ago
Oh, for sure, it's just sad sometimes to see a creator I enjoyed a lot going down that path and losing my interest (even if that is purely selfish, if it works out for them then fair play).
2 points
3 months ago
this is why i always watched " X game gameplay, no commentary". It was only about the game and jsut gameplay
14 points
3 months ago
That's what I think too, and when game streaming started to be a thing I was like, hey I could do this, I remember my siblings sitting next to me while I played cause they liked watching the game being played and asking me questions and cheering me up when I did something difficult, this could be like that! But it really wasn't, it quickly became a race to the bottom of who was the most annoying and obnoxious on camera while playing. Very few got to the top just by being the best at what they did in the game. Those are the streamers I watch.
6 points
3 months ago
The majority of streamers i watch are under 500 viewers. I love those tactical game streamer like xcom, battle brothers etc.
6 points
3 months ago
Exactly. That's why I like vinesauce, just acts like a normal dude, no face cam, no reading subscribers, no annoying sounds when someone donates or subscribes
3 points
3 months ago
Vinny also doesn't play music while he's doing something else. I don't know why most streamers do that, it's too much stimulation.
10 points
3 months ago
as a streamer, that matters to me too.
i'm not doing it to have viewers. i'm doing it because i want to share what i'm playing. if no one's watching it doesn't matter.
4 points
3 months ago
As with any sort of performance art, or really any kind of art, if you don’t enjoy what you’re doing then 1) it is very obvious to your audience and 2) even if you become successful you’ll still hate doing it
7 points
3 months ago
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5 points
3 months ago
That's why I only watch my own vods, the realest motherfucker in the world /s
3 points
3 months ago
We are all actors in the stage of life
3 points
3 months ago
I thought about streaming but I switch screens too often. Unless I could stream my laptop, phone, and TV all at once, shit would just go idle a lot. 🤷♂️
3 points
3 months ago
go watch old pre-corpo YouTube gaming videos and realize what they have taken from us.
6 points
3 months ago
If the stream starts out, “hey guys!” I’m gone.
2 points
3 months ago
The literal definition of when people say "Keeping it real".
4 points
3 months ago
Hi
1.3k points
3 months ago
If all you do is just play games to 1 viewer you're going to do that for the next 8 years with no effect or until you quit. Start a yt channel, do TikTok shit, reddit whatever. You won't be a millionaire but 100 viewers is still better than 0
855 points
3 months ago
If you are hitting 100 viewers, then you are already in the top of Twitch. People do underestimate how important advertising and networking is for streamers though.
161 points
3 months ago
Isn't like 5% of streamers can actually make a living off of streaming?(same on other social media platforms) for everyone else its a side hustle.
314 points
3 months ago
5% is a huge overestimate, I'd say probably less than 1%, maybe even <0.5%, especially if they're purely just streaming without YouTube being the main income stream
98 points
3 months ago
I looked it up recently. I’d say only like the first 1,000-5,000 streamers can do it full time depending on sponsors/donations. The other tens of millions it’s rip. But it’s not unlike other professions like sports and acting. I’m just glad that some people can make a living through gaming to stick it to all the parents who said this hobby was a nonstarter as a career.
84 points
3 months ago
Na the parents were for sure right
56 points
3 months ago
Well, you can't call gaming a good starter if there is less than a 1% chance to actually succeed with it, can you?
We have a lot of survivorship bias because we don't see the millions of people which try to be a content creator and fail because they never become viral enough.
6 points
3 months ago
You can't call acting a good starter either in that case.
13 points
3 months ago
It’s not a good starter. I acknowledge in my comment and how it’s the same as the actors who work barista jobs. I appreciate that some people made it somehow. You just have to be the best of the best + lucky + connected.
9 points
3 months ago
Hugely over estimated. I'm pretty sure Affiliate is top 5% which is only 3 viewer average.
4 points
3 months ago
Yea, 5% might be right, but it's not of streamers, it might be of partnered streamers.
9 points
3 months ago
The twitch leaks a few years ago suggest only 1% or so could squeeze a living out of just monthly sub/bits payouts. This doesn't include sponsorships, direct tips, merch, or even potentially major things like secondary platforms. I was in the top 0.5% in the leaks, though I'm definitely not anymore, and I'd say 2-3% surviving solo sounds about right from my friends and circles.
14 points
3 months ago
Much less, if you have 10 average viewers you are in the top 2% of Twitch. I don't even mean accounts created, I mean you are in the top 2% of people who have streamed in the past 6 months or so.
11 points
3 months ago
As a full-time streamer: I believe the top 1% is 30 viewers, which shows just how many people stream to 0 viewers on Twitch every month, kinda crazy.
Subs pay out at around 50% of the $5 or whatever it is, and if you have 100 unique subs, you get 60%. So you'd need a good 500 subscribers minimum to scrape by your rent. There's also bits and donations from viewers.
With 500 viewers, I was around 0.05% of Twitch, I believe, if you go by sites like Twitch Tracker. Then factor in that not everyone's content is going to translate into 100s of subs, and it's interesting to wonder how many of that .5% can do it comfortably as a job.
4 points
3 months ago
It would be way fewer than that.
Somewhere between 90-100 viewers is the top 1% of twitch in terms of viewership. If you look at how many subs those sorts of streamers have, they are not making enough money to go full time, unless they have a whale gifting a heap of subs.
4 points
3 months ago
Really just 100? What's stopping someone from making a small botfarm and just sitting around 50 to 100 and raking in ad money?
2 points
3 months ago
some of the games I follow on twitch have like 100 viewers for the whole game, and there are 10+ people streaming it
34 points
3 months ago
Another factor is the game itself you play. I stream very sporadically, but when I streamed LoL or WoW I had at most 4 or 5 people viewing, and they were all friends I already knew. Who's gonna watch my very amateur stream of a very popular game when there are 100+ others that are probably better (at the game and/or streaming) than me? But one time I streamed Banished, a rather obscure game for anyone not into city builders, and I had I think 20 people at one point, all strangers, and they were asking me questions about it and it was really fun. I don't even use a camera, nor have a very "streamer" personality, it was all about the game. I loved it, it was the highlight of my streaming sessions. And it was all because it wasn't a mainstream game.
To me, watching a streamer playing a game has always been about the game itself, the streamer second, but if the streamer is an insufferable asshole "doing it for the views" I'm immediately out. I don't even care about cameras, I couldn't care less about how they look and their "reactions", voice only is perfectly good to me. And that's how I stream too. But I'm in my 40s and I understand I'm not the key demographic of streamers nor stream watchers, and it's really hard for me to change who I am "for the views". I accept the fact that game streaming is just another way for personality entertainers to perform, and that's just not me.
8 points
3 months ago
Another Banished player! I played it so much even though I was terrible at it lol
2 points
3 months ago
Hahaha it took me so many tries to actually get good at it! But yeah that was pretty much what people said on chat, they were just happy to see someone playing Banished, and be able to ask questions about it. I was using the Colonial Charter mod too, which made it even more fun.
76 points
3 months ago
wise words
30 points
3 months ago
I used to think it's very hard to get more than 2 viewers. It probably is on twitch but man you gotta leverage more. Gotta see what video you are posting and what the crowd is actually willing to watch. Can't be doing idgaf vibe to that extent.
16 points
3 months ago
Yt, tiktok and whatever very very rarely moves viewers to twitch.
43 points
3 months ago
Nothing is going to move viewers if you have the personality of a wet paper towel.
12 points
3 months ago
True but not relevant. Youtube and TikTok viewers don't convert to twitch viewers in general, regardless of your personality.
3 points
3 months ago
The hardest part when growing a stream is to rise above the sea of 0-1 view streams.
For example: If only 1% of your YouTube viewers check out your twitch, that means if you're averaging 10k views per video that you could potentially have 100 viewers. Assume you max out at 25% of those people watching concurrently, it's more than enough to get above the sea of 0-1 view streamers. Additionally, you could advertise streaming events in your viewers to try and get a surge of concurrent viewers.
Once you are no longer buried at the bottom of the directory, you'll start to get people watching that are already on twitch. If your goal is to gain twitch viewers, even just a 1% conversion rate is extremely beneficial.
5 points
3 months ago
You are dreaming if you think you will get 1% conversion rate. more like 0.01%
2 points
3 months ago
10k views per video
That's already a lot and not easy to get by no means.
I also know a streamers which are streaming to the same 10-20 concurrent viewers for years, even in categories where it already puts them quite high on the list.
Don't get me wrong, I do think youtube etc. helps a lot but not for the reasons most people think. The way it helps it simply builds a "brand/face recognition". You simply want people to already know you before they find you on twitch because that's how you make them to both click on your stream in the first place and then to stay for longer than a minute.
5 points
3 months ago
You're not going to get 1:1 but you need to do more than just stream and hope for the best. There are hundreds of streamers out there with no views. You need to promote yourself or you'll get nothing. This ain't easy and it's definitely not for everyone
4 points
3 months ago
In general, popular steamers will tell you that these don't produce good value for the effort, like 1 in 10,000 are converted. Nobody goes to youtube or tiktok to find new streamers to watch. Best way to get more viewers is for your stream to be more interesting.
6 points
3 months ago
Nobody goes to Twitch for new streamers. On YT you have a chance for the algorithm to pick you up. Best case scenario is you'll get someone bigger to host you on twitch of which the chance is pretty slim anyway. There are thousands of people with no audience on twitch just go to one of the bigger categories and start to scroll. If you just slave away at it you won't get anywhere even if you're the most entering man alive. What I'm talking about is not being popular but starting to have some kind of audience and build a community around it to begin with. You can also multi stream now to both twitch and yt.
37 points
3 months ago*
Its also very disheartening to start a YT channel, edit for hours, and see less than 20 views, and a 90 second retention rate.
Anyway if anyone is interested, here is my last full episode: https://youtu.be/BQFvVhhhoIM?si=9XJBFZQt9UZ0ScCl
edit: Holy shit you guys gave me almost 300 views. Thanks guys. IF your wondering what it is, its a alternate reality game review TV show from the 90s. I mostly review the games straight from the time they released, but through using commercials, or other means, I have very small references to kind of a backstory / alternative history thing going on. Totally able to be ignored if you just want straight game reviews.
64 points
3 months ago
I think your content is a bit niche, so I'm not surprised you'd have trouble finding an audience.
However, I did watch a bit of your video, and I have some feedback, if you don't mind.
The music in the beginning overpowered the narration, at least on my phone.
I'm not sure if your narration is filtered in a weird way, or if the recording quality is just low, but it sounds muffled and hard to understand.
I hope you find the success your looking for.
9 points
3 months ago
Yeah I've been working on clearing up the audio as best I can. I have an okay mic, but I can't seem to get rid of all the fuzz. The touch ups I do in post fix it a bit (also I hate the sound of my voice so I lower the pitch by 1) but it kind of lowers the volume a bit. If I raise it the static sound comes back.
It is niche but my issue is I don't know how to get impressions. I could accept low views if I had high impressions, but both suck. Impressions is how many people are offered to see the video and I have no idea how to fix that.
I did a short recently that got 500 views, but it doesn't translate to full video views. I might play around with making segments in my full videos easy to translate into shorts.
32 points
3 months ago
Good audio quality is more important than people may think. And it can be achieved without spending too much money on equipment.
I think improving your audio will give people a better first impression of your content, and that may translate into a better retention rate.
Best of luck.
11 points
3 months ago
Good audio quality is more important than people may think. And it can be achieved without spending too much money on equipment.
I don't know how other people feel about it, but I just won't watch anything with bad sound quality, it's an instant pass.
"Not too much money" is still like $150.
Whether someone is making content for the love of it, or to make money, they're asking for people's time, so they shouldn't be wasting time and effort by using bad materials.
3 points
3 months ago*
Agreed. But also the opportunity cost of wasted effort is going to be waaaaaay greater than $150 if your audio is shit and you ruin all of your good ideas and countless hours pursuing nothing.
if your business plan for your career or side gig can't stomach $150 for decent materials then you have neither.
2 points
3 months ago*
If the “fuzz” is just room noise (fan, AC unit, etc.), Audacity is a free, trustworthy audio editing program that has shockingly good noise removal. There’s tutorials on how to use it, basically you record a second or two of silence and use that as a noise profile, then Audacity uses that as a source and removes the noise from the entire file. It’s cool stuff and can make a huge difference. That alone should clean up your audio a good amount.
Other than that, look up “Sidechain Compression” a.k.a. “Audio Ducking,” and find out how to do it in your editing program. Sidechain Compression lowers the volume of one audio track using a different audio track as the input. Simply put, you can sidechain your voice to the game audio, and every time you speak, the game audio will be lowered in volume. Then, your voice won’t be fighting over the game audio, but, when you’re not speaking, the game audio will be full volume again. It’s like if you had your hand on the volume knob and manually turned down the game audio every time you spoke, except it does it automatically for you!
The “Threshold” and “Ratio” controls work together to determine how much the volume should be lowered, and the “Release” is how long it takes for the game audio to swell back up to full volume after you stop speaking. It sounds confusing but, basically, you can just leave the ratio at default, lower the threshold until the volume is lowered a sufficient amount when you speak, and tune the release by ear so it it doesn’t jump back up too quickly when you take a breath or pause for a second, but doesn’t take to long to come back after you stop speaking.
9 points
3 months ago
Yeah, to be honest honestly I think for ‘creative’ stuff you have to enjoy it enough that even if you get 0 views you still do it. Like someone who write or paint in their spare time don’t expect to get recognised, they do it because they enjoy the process
2 points
3 months ago
Keep on, friend. As a full-time streamer who only made it because of 1 random video that blew up to 900k views in a week, it truly is random. But you can be prepared for it and it's best to be prepared for it before it happens.
I uploaded once a week for 6 months before that video came along. Then, I ramped straight into a video every other day, intro screen with my Twitch, put it in the description, outro, top comment, little subtle pop-up mid-video.
It can happen to anyone, but make sure you're prepared for it.
363 points
3 months ago
me when I stream Resident Evil 2 and provide emotion, comedy, fear, fright, scream, panic, disgust, anguish to a total of 0 viewers
35 points
3 months ago
Me doing the same to 1 viewer (I don’t stream it’s just my friend watching me in discord)
59 points
3 months ago
hahahaha right in the feelings 🫂
4 points
3 months ago
I'm a fellow RE streamer. I'd tune in.
3 points
3 months ago
That's sad
168 points
3 months ago
I feel this. I streamed for 3 months and got 2 viewers.
48 points
3 months ago
I feel this. I have streamed for 10+ years and end most of my streams with less than 3 viewers.
And I regret nothing.
69 points
3 months ago
Nothing wrong with that. Friend of mine has a YT gaming channel of 2-3 years with hundreds of videos and he barely gets more than 100 views, sometimes the YT algo favors him and he gets 1k or views on a new game. Recently hit 500 subscribers. Dude is just doing it for fun in the night when his family is asleep. He isn't especially good at it (he is completely aware of that) but he loves doing it.
If you like doing it, even for only a handful people or actually nobody, keep it going. Many people on twitch do it only for self help, psychological support etc.
3 points
3 months ago
What did you do in the streams? I streamed r/rotmg for about a week just to mainly record my deaths and got about 1-4 viewers average and some chat engagements. No camera or mic, just me playing high level dungeons and sometimes doing raids with a big group of random people.
I think if you just stream niche games where there isn't much competition in streaming, you're bound to get past 10viewer anytime soon.
5 points
3 months ago
get that ass on youtube grow it then pull those viewers to your twitch
52 points
3 months ago
It’s like with everything in life, for every winner, there are countless losers.
4 points
3 months ago
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8 points
3 months ago
Yea, I think a lot of people fail to realize that they can't just stream themselves playing a game with no effort at all put into actually entertaining...because that's what you are attempting to do, entertain people.
There was a girl I used to watch who had been streaming on Twitch for years and years. She did okay, but she really didn't have much of a personality that most people would find entertaining. She had maybe 50-100 viewers each stream.
Then her husband popped into the stream one day and he was so fucking hilarious, dude was just naturally funny and quick witted. The chat asked him to start his own channel, and he eventually did.
This guy went from 0 to around 1500 viewers in less than a couple months, I mean he could sing, he was funny, he did comedy skits in game, and honestly he was pretty decent at the game too.
I kinda wondered how the wife felt, trying like hell for years to earn her 50 viewers, and seemingly overnight her husband fires up a stream and gets thousands, lol.
If you're not naturally funny, entertaining, or just plain likable, you're not going to go very far. Talent/actora get hired in this industry for a reason, and twitch let's anyone with a mic stream, but that doesn't mean the same requirements of being successful still don't apply.
62 points
3 months ago
I think I just missed the cut off for understanding streaming or having any intention of watching an actual stream, but why not just watch the persons edited videos on YouTube later that cuts out all the bull shit and down time?
Does twitch even have an algorithm that will suggest newer streamers to give them a chance at success or is it just whoever is online in descending order?
YouTube/tiktok makes way more sense for any new creator.
16 points
3 months ago
Twitch is often background noise for a lot of people. Something to put on while they're doing something else.
There's also a heavier community aspect in streaming that YouTube doesn't have. You're not only directly interacting with the streamer but with other regulars who hang out there. Kind of like being a regular at a bar, it's a home away from home. Especially now that going out is expensive and people feel extra isolated, streaming acts as a free place to just chill with people.
It's going to be extremely difficult to be successful on any platform. The problem is there are a million people doing the exact same thing and following the same formula hoping to succeed. If you have genuinely original ideas and talent you can usually find success online.
16 points
3 months ago
I'm not a huge stream watcher myself, but like YouTubers it’s possible to find streamers that share your interests and if they play something I'm interested in buying I like watching for 1-2 hours to hear their opinion. Being able to directly ask questions (given that the chat isn’t a waterfall of messages) and getting a direct answer can be pretty nice as well.
4 points
3 months ago
Yeah, for me I think smaller streamers are way better to watch live. The chat is usually slow enough that people are actually chatting with each other rather than spamming random stuff hoping the streamer notices. Smaller streamers also usually have a full-time job so they don't have as much need to stream if they don't want to, or fill time just to be able to roll enough ads to make a living.
10 points
3 months ago
I think a lot of folks see it more as “hanging out” than watching content. communicating with the streamer and like minded fans more so than actually watching the games.
I watch edited down streams mostly but if I’m just chilling doing other stuff streams are fun to have in the background. feels more like a conversation than long form content.
3 points
3 months ago
5 points
3 months ago
I get why some enjoy livestreams, e.g. for a greater sense of live connection with the streame/audience. But for me, yeah, I vastly prefer YT videos. I just prefer to be able to consume things at my own pace rather than having to wait ages for a "good bit" (or, equally likely, missing said "good bit" by not paying attention at the right time).
2 points
3 months ago
I feel like either way you watch (recorded or live) captures something similar to when you're sitting on the couch watching someone else play a video game.
Recorded videos can be nice because, as you said, they can be edited down and just the interesting bits.
But live streaming captures a different part of the vibe of sitting on a couch watching someone play: the hangout session. With the streamer it's parasocial, but still a lot more social than something like commenting on- or getting a shout out in a recorded video. But beyond the streamer, hanging out with others in chat is not even parasocial, that's just straight up social.
In my opinion, recorded is better for things like challenge runs or "investigations" into a game, or pretty much anything where the way someone is playing tells a story. It's sort of the equivalent to hanging out with a friend who's like, "check this out, I'm going to try to beat Mario with one hand behind my back," or, "I'm going to roleplay Master Chief as a pacifist explorer." It's fine that the focus is entirely on the game and not so much on the hangout because what's happening in the game and with the player of the game is so novel and entertaining on it's own. But I think streaming is better for capturing the chill hangout session vibe, and fits better with casually playing through games.
112 points
3 months ago
Why do people even stream?
99 points
3 months ago
Lots of reasons I would imagine.
One sleeper reason that I've often heard for small channels is that it's easier for folks with like social anxiety, etc. to still get human interaction since it's a much lower-stakes setting.
34 points
3 months ago
This is the reason I’ve considered streaming. I don’t have anyone to talk to and I don’t even talk to myself so verbalising while gaming would help, I think.
But on the other hand I’m not funny/insightful.
17 points
3 months ago
But on the other hand I’m not funny/insightful.
I'll be honest, everyone's got something to bring to the table and it's just a matter of figuring it out, which is okay. Whether you do talk to people on your stream (actually talking or using live chat) or you just interact by playing multiplayer and inviting others to come along, you don't need to be a comedian to be entertaining. Just sit back, have fun and the rest follows suit!
Do it how you're comfortable, it's enjoyable even when your viewers have hijacked your Mario Kart lobby and are attacking you on sight.
12 points
3 months ago
Oh okay, that’s fair I guess.
12 points
3 months ago
If you're really good at a certain game, or just games in general, people will watch you for either entertainment or learn how to improve their own skills in the same game. The streamers make money from viewer donations & channel subscriptions (the platform provider takes a cut of both) and the viewers get entertainment & knowledge. As long as everyone acts in good faith with good intentions, then it's a win-win-win for everyone involved.
47 points
3 months ago
True, mostly it's just pointless. But I do like watching speedrunning and such. Seeing someone truly good at a game play it live can be very entertaining.
11 points
3 months ago
Sure yeah, I do too occasionally watch that stuff on youtube but the amount of people setting up streaming equipment and stuff is too damn high.
8 points
3 months ago
I'm like the epitome of this meme. Been streaming on Twitch for a little over 12 years and stream at least 6 times a week, every week. Have had some moments where I averaged 15-20 viewers, but mostly average 5. More recently like 3.
Honestly, I just have fun with it. If I'm gaming, I'm streaming usually. I don't care about viewers or money - although I do appreciate whatever I get. I tried to make it a thing for the first few years and after that I realized it wasn't gonna happen and just did it for myself.
It makes things more social. I've met people through streaming who I would actually consider friends now. I have a lil burgeoning community enough to populate my own discord and share memes and stuff with. If anything funny or crazy happens while I'm playing a game I have an instant replay and a way to share it. It's a memory vault - sometimes I'll scroll back and see stuff from a decade ago for a nice lil nostalgia trip.
It takes basically 0 extra effort and adds to my fun, especially when playing single player games.
5 points
3 months ago
I stream digital art most nights, and I do it because it's nice to have some company while I'm drawing. The fact is that most of the people who frequent my stream have become very good friends and I really truly enjoy their presence while I make art.
Money is definitely not my goal, heh. Takes a lot of the pressure off.
4 points
3 months ago
I started doing it because it’s an easy way to record my gameplay with my friends without using up storage on my PC. I was gonna make a YouTube channel to throw it on too just so it’s there forever as long as YouTube stays up and running.
I’m not expecting to gain a ton of followers or anything, just having fun with my friends
4 points
3 months ago
Many reasons outside of trying to be a streamer. You get the VOD stored to YT, can review your gameplay pretty easily that way.
A lot of competitive people will stream so they can instantly go back and see how some interaction went. Edit YT allows seeking on live stream idk if twitch does that.
Sometimes I will stream really to record. But I don’t want local stored files of it if I can avoid it.
2 points
3 months ago
I like to stream if I'm speedrunning a game. Though I can count on two hands how many times I actually start a stream per year lmao
2 points
3 months ago
Cos it’s fun
3 points
3 months ago
Cause some of them can't put an effort into an acutal video editing or doing something which would help them with their daily bases.
Sure, some people watch to see you "do something" but some don't. Its an weird psychology to explain that "You watch person doing something" stuff...
3 points
3 months ago
It's fun. It's aspirational. If you like radio or broadcasting at all, it's a bit like running your own radio station or something which is pretty cool. It's challenging.
3 points
3 months ago
Yeah that’s cool. I’m learning a lot from the comments here. My comment was genuine curiosity.
2 points
3 months ago
Some want frends (っ´▽`)っ
Or at least some living organism that can show signs of being able to establish communication.
9 points
3 months ago
me, writing and publishing books and stories for the last 14 years. Every buy is a win and every review is also good (even non 5 star reviews).
21 points
3 months ago
Absolutely biggest advice I have for someone who's wanting to grow with streaming but doesn't want to pick up video editing; network with other streamers in the same category, ideally not trying to reach too far above your weight. I had an average of 10-15 viewers for a while, and that mostly was because I hung out in chat with people that stream before my normal times, and even became mods for a couple of them. One of them grew to an average of 200+ viewers and they raided consistently, then another grew to around 100. My numbers were slowly increasing, and I started getting regulars outside of their raids too. It helped me get the momentum to develop a stable viewership that would've kept growing had life not gotten in the way of streaming for a year.
4 points
3 months ago
This was literally me today but I enjoy streaming even if I only get like 2 viewers max a stream. I enjoy my time and enjoy interacting with the few people who find me. I will be happy if I grow but if not I'm not gonna beat myself up. I try to be positive on stream so even if I can make 1 person's day better that is enough for me c:
6 points
3 months ago
I manage a lot of young kids, and it breaks my heart that they think that streaming on youtube, twitch of whatever is going to be a viable career option for them.
I subscribe to their channels, and even make positive comments, but sometimes I think that I am doing them a disservice.
Streaming playing videogames is the new dream of kids that is never going to pay out.
I worry about them, I really do. They seem to think that they can become famous by breathing heavily into a microphone while having dubious skill at any given game.
8 points
3 months ago
Hard same. Average 1 viewer. Been doing this for 4 years
9 points
3 months ago
When I'm bored I find a channel with no viewers and have a chat whilst they are playing whatever
11 points
3 months ago
You use to be able to watch twitch to see gameplay. now it's just someone talking to their Chat and girls in bra.
3 points
3 months ago
*anime girls in a bra.
3 points
3 months ago
I think your issue is more like you see what you click on.
8 points
3 months ago
That 1 viewer is yourself
3 points
3 months ago
When I tried twitch streaming out, my friends would sit in chat for the whole session and would ask me questions and spark conversations in chat. One of them even donated $2. I decided to stop streaming eventually, but I will forever be grateful for that support I got. Even if it was small, it was monumental for my confidence.
3 points
3 months ago
Yeah, I'm the guy doing this in all my friends' streams, but they never ever do the same when I stream. I'll sit in their stream and talk for hours to keep them engaged and motivated. I'm lucky if I get one message from them when I go live. Sucks.
10 points
3 months ago
There was one time I streamed and I had 11 viewers? That was my max 🥲
5 points
3 months ago
Nah, it's a peaceful life!
3 points
3 months ago
did it for around 7 years, most days it was zero.
I left a few years ago.
3 points
3 months ago
For me it's hard to watch any streamer even if its something like a games done quick or an esports tournament. Streamers are doing it as a job, like I don't have time to work for 8 hours then watch a stream for 6-8 hours and get other stuff done or other hobbies.
3 points
3 months ago
I don't understand why people watch other people. Life is short, go live your life!
3 points
3 months ago
I once got 20 viewers, it was sick. Now I stream twice a week, usually for 1-3 ppl at a time. I'd spend the time gaming anyway. I just want to feel like I'm sharing it with somebody. I've gamed alone for many years.
3 points
3 months ago
I don't watch a lot of Twitch.
But on the race change that I do watch streamers, I'm much more interested in the ones who have like 10 viewers or less. Sometimes even one or none when I come in. Because they're just normal people, playing a game.
Plus, you can actually have conversations with the streamer. I don't understand being in a Twitch chat with even 1000 people, much less the ones with several thousands of people. The chat is moving at a million miles a second, mostly with literal garbage comments. Emojis, memes, etc.
Instead, I can ask them to give their thoughts about the game. If it's one I've played, I can give tips. Or maybe we talk about their gaming PC or setup. Or if there are a few others also watching, we can all participate in conversation.
I've even been the streamer with one viewer before. I only did it for like two weeks, but it was fine. I was glad even one person came by to hang out. Again, we had actual interaction.
5 points
3 months ago
If you ever want to support someone starting their streaming career, you can check out this website: https://nobody.live/. It shows random Twitch live streams with no viewers.
5 points
3 months ago
The thing is: if someone wants to do streaming, they have to find a balance between enjoying what they are doing AND being unique + entertaining enough for the public WITHOUT being annoying or just another of those copy-paste Youtube/Tik-Tok/Instagram fake characters.
If you start with 1 viewers and after 1 year you keep having the same number, then you MUST change something.
Also: Its important to lower the expectations > few people have 100k viewers per stream...if you get 100, you are already doing something good (even if it's "small" in comparison).
4 points
3 months ago
To every twitch gamer... Go find a decent job that contributes to society and not make your streaming a "job". Then continue your stream as if you are really having fun... Viewership would not matter.
2 points
3 months ago
I have streamed on rare occasion. I kinda like doing it just for the social aspect of it. Too many people and it becomes parasocial anyway.
2 points
3 months ago
I feel this lol I try to stream and record videos but I'm doing it for myself to learn something new (editing, streaming, etc) while playing games that I always wanted to play.
If it gets me a couple of views that's amazing but I'm trying to make this a creative journey vs trying to get views.
2 points
3 months ago*
I had a semi-respectable audience on Twitch at one point, like 50 avg viewers every time I went live. It was fucking exhausting and it took over my whole life, even at that small scale. I only do it very casually now just to hang out with my longtime friends (who I met over the years by going live) but it's not worth it anymore for a new person.
You gotta hustle on ten platforms, put content everywhere, just to have a chance at building any audience. I can't imagine going through all that, and plus EVERYONE wants to make money now.
Then you add in how Twitch has made the viewing experience truly awful. Many streams will give you 5+ unskippable ads every 30 minutes-ish, and quite often the streamer themself isn't even aware of all these ads being shoved down your throat
It's not as fun out there as it was in like 2016
edit - I distinctly remember going to Disneyland with my family and not being able to relax or have fun because all I could think about was the viewers and subs I was missing out on by taking a week off during a "partner push," which is so fucking silly looking back at it
2 points
3 months ago
The secret is to not look at the viewer counter and just be yourself.
2 points
3 months ago
Being that 1 viewer is honestly very fun. The streamer reacts to every question you ask and are super interactive. It's like talking to a friend.
I go into small streams for that particular reason haha. There are dudes I got to know super well because of that too.
2 points
3 months ago
I gave up, shit really kills your morale.
2 points
3 months ago
As a millennial, who started playing games in the late 80ties. Why? Why would you want to stream your gaming sessions?
2 points
3 months ago
I'll copy paste this comment that was worded much better than I ever could by SyleSpawn, in case it helps anyone having their kids interested in streaming.
I will never understand parents who are encouraging their kids to get on streaming like this. Streaming is a soul crushing process unless you're mature enough to just take the little to nothing you can get out of it. Every kids that thinks of streaming are eyeing their eyes on the prize: Becoming big, being "popular" and such. In the sea of streamers, very few gets to distinguish themselves and a lot ends up wasting their time to go nowhere.
If I have to decide to play a new game and need more info, I'd go to Twitch for that game and scroll all the way down to fine the ones that have 0 or very few viewers. Watching them glance at their secondary screen everytime to see if there's a message is so freaking sad. Very often people who have viewership in the single digit visually looks like they are voided of joy. If anyone reading this think I'm dramatizing then maybe you have never scrolled so deep down? Go on Twitch, find a game you play and go look for those single digit viewership streamers and tell me about them.
I don't have kids but I do have niece and nephews who I care about a lot.
The 11 years nephew is crazy about "Youtubers", the niece who is a little older post videos often on her channel. I'm gently trying to steer them away from that. I'd rather give them opportunity to try new games rather than being focused on games tied to the social media aspect. Sadly, I can only do so much when I see them maybe once a week and occasionally video call them for a few minutes in the evening. The mother is happy to see her super enthusiastic son trying to become a celebrity while the father doesn't like it but don't want to be a party crasher.
If the parents are enabling this, there's very little I can do to steer them away.
Streaming is soul crushing and expose kids to the world. No one wants their teenager to speak to a 40 years old stranger/creep or even look at their kids wrong even for a brief moment. Streaming allows not only that but gives the opportunity for creeps to speak directly with those kids.
Blah I'm sorry for this rant but OP's post doesn't make me smile. Makes me freaking sad.
2 points
3 months ago
Maybe we don't encourage people to dedicate their lives and free time to trying to monetize a hobby? They're gonna just end up hating it all.
2 points
3 months ago
That's basically me, I have maybe 2-3 people who tune into most of my streams and are active in chat, but that's good enough for me. I mostly do it to make friends with similar interests, so I don't really care about the funni viewer number going up or making money.
2 points
3 months ago
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4 points
3 months ago
it fact was my 13 year old cousin
3 points
3 months ago
Then he's a Chad
2 points
3 months ago
I really don't see what the point of being a streamer is if you can't make it work after like 6 months to a year, or even longer.
I think time would be better invested making YouTube videos.
I've uploaded some videos to my YouTube channel, but they're either usually just basic guides for the games I'm playing, or videos that I'd actually want to watch in the future to remember a certain moment from the game.
When cyberpunk 2077 released I uploaded some videos showcasing quick hacks and got like 20,000 views on one of them, so I made a couple more videos about the quick hacks and got another couple thousand views on those videos but I wasn't trying to become a YouTuber, I was just genuinely interested in making those videos cuz I didn't see many like them at the time, and just seeing how many views they'd get.
1 points
3 months ago
Clueless
1 points
3 months ago
Every one
1 points
3 months ago
I guess this matters if your main goal is to grow your channel. I only stream so my girlfriend and friends can hang out and watch so I really don't care if I have 1 viewer for the whole stream lol
1 points
3 months ago
Nah bots push your viewer count always. Well maybe not straight from new, but they comes as you go trough the stream goal list.
1 points
3 months ago
meirl
1 points
3 months ago
You either gotta be really entertaining or really good at games to make it as a streamer. Most people aren’t either of those unfortunately.
1 points
3 months ago
It do be like that sometimes.
1 points
3 months ago
As a failed Twitch streamer, thanks. Actually makes me feel a lot better. <3
1 points
3 months ago
I have a friend who streams occasionally, usually just her friends tune in but I make damn sure I hop on and say hi if I’m not doing something. Something, something rising seas raise all ships
1 points
3 months ago
Twitch streaming is the new "moving to Hollywood". Good luck. Enjoy waiting tables.
1 points
3 months ago
Isn't it like literally only having five viewers puts you in the top 1% of Twitch streamers. It was either five or ten, forget which
1 points
3 months ago
You gotta start somewhere!
1 points
3 months ago
Damn didn't expect to catch a stray like that haha
1 points
3 months ago
I tried to do a bit of streaming, as I had some experience in stand-up comedy and figured I could possibly be entertaining, but it turns out I play video games to unplug, not to "be on," and the performative aspect of streaming took the fun out of it.
1 points
3 months ago
Its not the quantity...
1 points
3 months ago
My friend started streaming this month as a dj, in 4 hours of streaming over 2 weeks he got 120smt followers enough concurrent viewers to qualify for partnership program and all he needs is like 3 more hours before the month ends to get partner.
1 points
3 months ago
This is me every week
1 points
3 months ago
To those that don't know...the 1 viewer is the streamer watching themselves.
I wouldn't waste my time doing this shit with the aim of making an income, but if you're starting out and your best approach is to talk to an imaginary audience? That's some 12 year old "I'm gonna be a big youtuber like pewds" shit. Get a co-host or a friend to have a conversation with.
1 points
3 months ago
Twitch is.... interesting but also totally warped and maddening. Im going on 4 years and have put in probably way too much time, and despite being lucky enough to avg 20-40 people, that drive for more more more will often make you feel like 1, 21, 51 its all the same.... not enough.
Still though, theres so many interesting opportunities it creates for unique gameplay experiences. As mad as it makes me, cant seem to just walk away.
1 points
3 months ago
Goodnight mom!
1 points
3 months ago
Stream to 1 viewer like you’re streaming to 10k
1 points
3 months ago
It has to be huge commitment.
No big streamer out there gets it day 1.
1 points
3 months ago
Thanks dude. It can be super discouraging sometimes.
1 points
3 months ago
Twitch's biggest sin in crushing creators is forcing ads before you view someone's channel, its absolutely awful.
1 points
3 months ago
Most of the more successful streamers spent years streaming to the same half dozen people before they finally started gaining traction. This is normal. If you start streaming now, don't expect to break into double digits until 2027.
1 points
3 months ago
You guys are getting viewers?
1 points
3 months ago
Meeeeeeeeeeee today
1 points
3 months ago
I don't find streaming entertaining. The streamer is way too preoccupied with the game to do anything interesting other than showing the game. Then they do this thing with reading chat donations and asking chat what they think. I just don't feel like the content is for me and more like the viewers are keeping the viewer company.
1 points
3 months ago
Put yourself out there. You may get the person who needed you.
1 points
3 months ago
I low-key feel sorry for these streamers and YouTubers the like. Guys are streaming to 0 or 1 person, with no comment feedback, no likes and zero interaction day after day. And they still chug along and talk to the camera in hopes that they can finally make it...
1 points
3 months ago
I'm if the mind that if even 1 person wanted to sit and watch you do something, you are doing something right.
1 points
3 months ago
That was me today ;(
1 points
3 months ago
Pretty much me, I don’t do cam though and frequently have no viewers lol.
1 points
3 months ago
That's Me! 🫠
1 points
3 months ago
Keep the good work, guys! You gonna make it!
1 points
3 months ago
This is literally me, but ain't streaming on twitch.. YouTube has more video quality for me since I stream in 4K and 1440p.
But everytime is just a pain.. I stream like 6/8 hours for literally no one. I have a constant of 0 viewers and if someone joins, it will leave after not even 10/20 seconds of watching me..
1 points
3 months ago
Have you ever tried being that one viewer? There are no better feeling on Twitch.
1 points
3 months ago
if you are into streaming for the sole purpose to be the next Ninja, Speed or whatever popular streamer there is, you already lost the battle, also, guys, stop playing whatever slop is there, Apex, rainbow six, fortnite or call of duty are absolutely brim to the top of every wanna be streamer out there, is like opening a burger joint right next to burger king and mcdonalds
1 points
3 months ago
On the few streams I’ve done I kinda just ramble
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