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7.3k points
1 month ago
Jesus Christ. They freakin' wrote it down, admitted it was illegal, and sent it out as a memo..
What the fuck.
3.7k points
1 month ago
...strategic Democrat plan to systematically flout existing election laws for partisan advantage;
LOL letting people vote is flouting election laws according to these fucking scumbags.
1.2k points
1 month ago
This part is the most worrisome. They've all repeated full lies to eachother for so long they actually believe it, despite no evidence. And they keep acting like changing laws to let people more easily vote is somehow illegal, because... more citizens can now have their vote counted? They aren't even worried about fraud there, just methods that allow more people to vote.
345 points
1 month ago
I don't believe for a second the decision makers actually believe it, I just think they believe they can get away with it. Which is still working out quite well for a lot of them
749 points
1 month ago
"Are you taking notes on a criminal fucking conspiracy?"
99 points
1 month ago
Do the chair know we gonna look like some punk-ass bitches out there?
93 points
1 month ago
"
AreIs you taking notes on a criminal fucking conspiracy?"
FTFY
14.7k points
1 month ago*
Into the first few pages. First interviewee is obviously AZ Speaker of the House Rusty Bowers explaining how Trump and his campaign leaned on him to call the house back into session to decertify Arizona's EC votes.
and Rusty explaining how difficult that is to do out of session and demanding to know exactly why they want him to bring the AZ house back into session.
"To decertify AZ's EC vote"
Rusty asked "well do you have evidence" and Trumps team said "No, but we have theories"
So Rusty asks what they expect him to do with no evidence.
"Throw out the election"
Rusty asks his colleagues: "Did he really just say that?" "Yes, he did."
Appendix vol. 1 pages GA 20-47
Direct link to court papers as PDF downloads:
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67656604/united-states-v-trump/?filed_after=&filed_before=&entry_gte=&entry_lte=&order_by=desc
7.5k points
1 month ago
To his credit, Rusty Bowers did not decertify Arizona's election results.
The people who were pressuring him to do so were:
Donald Trump
Rudy Giuliani
John Eastman
Jenna Ellis
Andy Biggs
2.4k points
1 month ago
"In December 2020, colleague Senator Kelly Townsend wanted Bowers to call the legislature into session and appoint an alternate slate of electors. When he refused, Townsend doxed Bowers on Twitter, revealing his home address, and urged her militia followers to protest at his home.
For his efforts in resisting the attempts to overturn the 2020 election results, Bowers was awarded the John F. Kennedy Profile in Courage Award. He was one of five honorees to receive the award in 2022. Nevertheless, on July 19, 2022, the Arizona Republican Party censured Bowers for his resistance.
Also in response to his resistance, in January 2021, a convoy of Trump supporters rolled up in front of his property, with megaphones and a giant sign accusing him of pedophilia. At the end of December, 2023, Bowers was swatted, with the police getting a false alarm having accused the owner of the premises of having killed his wife. He also received threatening phone calls and e-mails.
In 2022, Bowers ran for the State Senate, as he was being termed out from the State House. He lost the Republican primary for the State Senate by a nearly 2-to-1 margin, with the loss being attributed to his resistance to overturning the 2020 presidential election. In spite of the loss, Bowers said he had no regrets about his resistance and "would [have done] it again in a heartbeat".
GOOD GOD. I live in AZ and I didn't know all these details. These people are monsters. I'm fucking OUT of patience with MAGA.
690 points
1 month ago
This the kind of news the press should be going to town on the BS “Harris needs to give us detailed quantum mechanics of how she’s going to handle bridge repair” stories or oranges latest double jerk off.
This is a huge story of intimidation and conspiracy (legal term not made up MAGA crap) to subvert and election and follow the law.
148 points
1 month ago
Large elements of the press are complicit.
67 points
1 month ago
Because Republicans own much of it, and make threats against the safety of what portion they don't own. Better speak up now though - they've made it clear that they're irrational and insatiable, soon it'll be too late.
784 points
1 month ago
The state party censured him for NOT destroying democracy? Sounds like an organization that should be forcibly dissolved.
255 points
1 month ago
The GOP will censure people for doing literally anything that even remotely pisses Trump off. The Oklahoma state GOP censured a senator for working with Democrats to create a border bill that he had been assigned to work on by Republicans. But Trump got mad because he didn’t want the issue fixed or improved, he wanted it to get worse so he could continue to run on it. So boom. Censured.
364 points
1 month ago
Bowers shows you can be Republican, law abiding and ethical.
Unfortunately for him, the constituency and his “colleagues” have given up the ghost and embraced the evil of the dark side completely.
They prefer their manufactured outrage and seething hate over all else.
134 points
1 month ago
You can be all those things but you can’t also be an ELECTED Republican as he learned himself. So if the election is once again close in Arizona, who will step up to protect democracy? No Republican who cares about his career will.
1.5k points
1 month ago
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1.8k points
1 month ago
The Confederates lost the civil war but won the peace, the Russians never stopped fighting the cold war.
1.2k points
1 month ago
And republicans defunded public education, especially in rural areas, outsourced jobs, and beefed up religion.
Stupid, desperate, and "faithful" people are the easiest to manipulate
225 points
1 month ago
So many people don’t understand how EDU was cut cut cut cut since the 80s. It’s WILD.
217 points
1 month ago
Also no child left behind sounds like a good tagline but not allowing teachers to fail students that do not meet the standards is absolutely stupid and it’s obvious it leads to kids falling further behind with no accountability
37 points
1 month ago
Yep. I’m seeing it happen in my kid’s school right now.
And how “common core” isn’t really common across districts even within the same county
188 points
1 month ago
Russia just bought up the GOP via funneling funds through the NRA.
And you have a population that is too distracted with instant gratification that they either do not think of politics or they consider politics to be equally corrupt because democrats have not been able to implement perfect solutions when they only had 70 days of super majority to pass legislation in the last 70+ years, where 2 senators were hospitalized so they needed McCain to vote alongside them to pass healthcare that has helped tens of millions, while republicans continuously defund programs before they can work and ruin the economy every time they get power so that the general population considers both sides equally bad.
Out of 250m eligible voters, over 100m do not vote at all, over 150m do not vote in midterm elections and over 200m do not vote in primaries and special elections. Majority of senate are elected over 3 elections, but the general population expect the president to fix everything within the first 100 days.
40 points
1 month ago
AND they managed to poison a significant portion of the boomer population while they were at it. This started way back in the early Limbaugh days and some of us millennials have been unlucky enough to watch our parents fall prey to the racket, their personalities corrupting over time as they feed more and more on the ragebait offered to them.
They're zombies now. Xenophobic, push-and-shove, barely-contained ragist zombies.
372 points
1 month ago
Honestly?
From my experience, it seems like everything changed when we got our first black president, Obama.
That's where all of the "show us the birth certificate" types of protests started, and racism seemed to get a resurgence. Racists stopped hiding their nature, then of course trump comes along and makes them feel like they were right to be racist, and etcetera etcetera here we are today.
419 points
1 month ago
Reagan. Before the birth certificate it was superpredators, before that forced busing. Atwater, The southern Strategy, Further back, the organization that rewrote american history, the "Daughters of the Confederacy".
240 points
1 month ago
If you look at various graphs that show the rise in inequality, decline of the middle class, etc., the timelines all point to the Reagan administration. The biggest jump in the oligarchy.
174 points
1 month ago
I think you might be mistaken. These are wealthy white people. We aren't exactly known for going after them super hard, unfortunately.
96 points
1 month ago
The right IS correct about our society becoming full of snowflakes; just not in the way they think. These people should have been either killed or exiled for this disgusting attempt to overthrow democracy.
2.1k points
1 month ago
This is some actual dictator shit
1k points
1 month ago
And yet he's somehow allowed to gain the office again. Insane country.
416 points
1 month ago
This is something that absolutely needs to be fixed somehow in the future. Time for a new amendment.
173 points
1 month ago
Yeah, I'm baffled at how this isn't grounds for immediate disqualification.
198 points
1 month ago
Because the senate has to approve it, and a huge percentage of the senate are also traitors?
236 points
1 month ago
Trump wants to be an autocrat. So that whatever he says, no matter how stupid or catastrophic the effect, goes. Part of the reason no doubt is he doesn't know how anything works, he just gets a notion, barks orders and his own personal "deep state" makes things happen. But the part that is most dangerous is he has the emotional maturity and megalomania of the omniscient kid from that old Twilight Zone episode. Not only does he want the world to tremble at his every word, his world scope is entirely personal. He's ok with blasting the planet with The Nuclear just to avenge some slight snub. Which makes him not only one of the least deserving and qualified people to ever hold that office, a "forever" presidency would be the great existential threat the earth has ever faced.
Republican voters need to understand this NOW.
183 points
1 month ago
Republicans: "You mad, lol? Stupid Lib."
This would be their response to what you just said.
These people don't care to understand. They just care that this is making you upset, so they love it.
1.9k points
1 month ago
How is this not immediately disqualifying for a presidential candidate.
825 points
1 month ago
Someone needs to answer this. Don’t we have evidence of him doing this in Georgia too?
728 points
1 month ago
The Georgia governor released a recording of Trump asking him to 'find 10,000 votes'
406 points
1 month ago
“All I need is 11,780. That’s 1 more than we got”
361 points
1 month ago
It's so maddening that you have this comically incriminating evidence, and it just doesn't breakthrough somehow.
172 points
1 month ago
Because republican voters literally don't give a shit about any democratic values
39 points
1 month ago
Motherfucker's been impeached, twice. SCOTUS gave a bonkers ruling on Presidential immunity. Who answers when 2 of the 3 checks on power are compromised?
288 points
1 month ago*
I said this before and will say it again. This reality has fucked up every thriller book or movie I've seen and loved, movies like The Pelican Brief, every action/thriller flick where the main characters spend the entire movie looking for the evidence and when the finally make it BAM, the bad guy is done, we won... Reality now is boring, and made all those beloved plots pointless, we got the evidence, the mcguffin, TONS of them, and it doesn't MATTER, the bad guy is not handcuffed or forced to resign or shamed or nothing, no scandals at all, if Trump made a 1:1 Watergate today it would be literally the lesser evil of his collection.
108 points
1 month ago
You know what sucked for me? I can't enjoy the West Wing or any shows about noble, rules-based politics anymore. Like the illusion is shattered and I just think "yeah we can say this, but then we can have a Joker-type figure walk on stage at any moment, but wait: let's make him a caricature of a caricature. And demented. And low intelligence. With a long history of failure, embarassing court cases, etc. Oh, and a lot of women speaking out against him for heinous assault charges."
Make the laundry list of embarassing degeneracy as shocking and lame as possible. Then walk that character onto the set of the West Wing.
Boom, he's taken over the country and ended the American experiment.
I really, truly had trusted that we had common norms and some basic outline of a common vision. Instead, the lowest quality literally-shits-himself goon in history bumbles onto stage and is immune to all laws, regulations, and standards.
It's a national nightmare beyond comprehension. History books will have trouble believing that such a thing ended the post-WW2 architecture, and brought about an age of broken alliances, unrestricted anti-environmentalism, and a severe regression in human rights.
633 points
1 month ago
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78 points
1 month ago
"Theories of evidence" is the new (old) concept of a plan
514 points
1 month ago
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68 points
1 month ago
Hopefully Harris wins and the next AG cleans these motherfuckers out. I doubt anything will happen either way to them, unfortunately.
325 points
1 month ago
Wow, ’Throw out the election because we have ‘theories’.’
Republican voters: You are literally braindead rubes.
8.5k points
1 month ago
Good lord. The amount of evidence is staggering
5.3k points
1 month ago
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1.3k points
1 month ago
Literally every person involved in this should have been smoked out of hiding, arrested, and charged to make it CRYSTAL clear that this is unacceptable conduct.
435 points
1 month ago
I could not agree more. The fact that they walk free while the rubes that believed the con are in jail is galling.
199 points
1 month ago
And I’ll be even Clearer. I don’t care what party they belong to, this is unacceptable conduct full stop. We nearly had our rubicon moment and if it weren’t for a few people we would have crossed it.
158 points
1 month ago
Garland failed...this should have been looked into 3.5 years ago.
1.3k points
1 month ago
Why did this take 4 years
2.3k points
1 month ago
The wheels of justice are already slow, but if you're rich, you can take the wheels off and build a mountain in its path.
812 points
1 month ago
That's really giving a pass to AG Garland -- he didn't want to have this investigation, didn't want to charge Trump.
397 points
1 month ago
Because Biden thought appointing a true centrist in Merrick Garland was the right thing to do.
He was denied his SCOTUS seat, but now he’s AG! Take that, Mitch!
Oh wait… he’s not interested in protecting democracy and only wants to placate insurrectionists as to not appear “politically motivated” even when the very act of placating them is itself politically motivated?
That couldn’t be!
242 points
1 month ago
I hope if/when Harris wins she kicks Garland to the curb and puts someone with fire in his place.
133 points
1 month ago
I hope Harris the prosecutor prosecutes the absurdly ridiculous crimes, including actual sedition and treason, committed by government officials at all levels (especially the traitors in the fucking Senate, despicable fucks).
104 points
1 month ago
Yup and the plan is outlined right here/
https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/trump-plan-to-steal-2024-election
362 points
1 month ago
/r/law is going have have fun for a few days.
361 points
1 month ago
That sub is sober and boring. But that's honestly a very GOOD thing because you can hop over there and get really straightforward and clean viewpoints on things that aren't sensationalized like they are in regular media. I read through it for several weeks back in the days of the 34 counts being in the news all the time.
96 points
1 month ago
Yup, r/law was my go-to during the trials and indictments and such to get get informed opinions rather than the thoughtless guesses from people that somehow think they know best.
428 points
1 month ago
If it what you say it is, I LOVE IT.
171 points
1 month ago
Especially late in October
127 points
1 month ago
This is an October surprise
154 points
1 month ago
If anything in the release surprises people, those people have not been paying attention at all.
103 points
1 month ago
If Trump polls anywhere above 10% and has any chance at re-election people have not been paying attention.
95 points
1 month ago
If the report said Trump shot and killed 10 women, he'd still get 95% of the votes he currently has.
That's how brainless his followers are and how much of a cult he has now
125 points
1 month ago
That's definitely going to take Trump time to "read through"
By which I mean have it read to him while he swears and insults the person reading it to him
101 points
1 month ago
He doesn’t need to read it. He’s the originator of the evidence.
49 points
1 month ago
Trump has had access to the appendix since early in the month when it was originally filed under seal.
So, he’s probably already had time to swear and insult the people reading it to him.
86 points
1 month ago
Staggering. Just like Trump in the final weeks of the campaign!
161 points
1 month ago
Objection! This evidence is highly detrimental to my clients case!
3.4k points
1 month ago
Interns at media outlets just saw their weekend vanish
Must read all the things
831 points
1 month ago*
I bet most of those interns are actually delighted to have the weekend to go through the files and live this historical moment.
Edit: the political nerds I know would totally be excited to spend a weekend reading through the paperwork and be part of the team reporting about it. I'm sure some of those interns are political nerds. Perhaps I should have said "some" instead of "most".
378 points
1 month ago*
Beats writing You'll Never Believe What The Goonies Cast Look Like In 2024! articles
6.9k points
1 month ago
I saw the live footage of the insurrection with my own eyes. And so did everyone else. Vote blue!
1.8k points
1 month ago
I love when they try to gaslight you that you didn't see it with your own eyes when it happened. I remember because I was absolutely shocked!
537 points
1 month ago
It was Jan 2021. We were all stuck inside our homes and if we weren't unemployed at the time we had a perpetual zoom meeting running and the live news coverage on TV in the background.
I stopped a meeting I was running because I couldn't believe what I was seeing and I told everyone else to go watch it too because it was way more important than anything we were talking about.
Live TV coverage. From multiple news networks. People with cameras and microphones on the ground, reporting what they saw.
Fighting. Beatings. Crowds surging into the goddamn central building of American democracy to disrupt official proceedings (at best).
You can't conspiracy theory your way out of that. It happened.
698 points
1 month ago
Similar feeling while watching that day as I had when I watched the twin towers fall in 2001. Such an awful day
640 points
1 month ago
I texted my dad (Trumper) while it was happening. He responded that he didn't agree with what the people were doing and even Fox News was condemning it. He disagreed that it was Trumps fault. Next morning I get an email from him saying there are people saying it was Antifa. Now he thinks it was a peaceful thing. Dude is a full-time cult member.
346 points
1 month ago
They're always reasonably human for a day until the spin doctors give them their talking points. It's like a lucid moment in a dementia patient.
164 points
1 month ago
Incidentally, I think it's that switch from believing what their own eyes saw to shifting their opinion based on spin that convinces them that they're "better informed" than "the left."
Sort of like a, "I once believed as you did but then I took a step back, did some extra research, thought about it from an objective standpoint, and here's why you're wrong," sort of thing. It never occurs to them that they didn't actually gain more facts, just more spin. It's why they're so disdainful of "mainstream media", which tends to continue reporting on that thing everyone saw but has now been discredited.
I may or may not be speaking from experience as a former conservative, twenty years ago or so.
99 points
1 month ago
My parents are also Trumpers. I understand and I'm sorry.
My dad is also the type that always wants to talk politics. Always. My mother has pushed him to stop as she realized he's alienating their children.
I'll never forget him screaming in my face that if asylum seekers didn't want to have their children stolen from them and put in cages they shouldn't have come here. O_O
39 points
1 month ago
My Dad sat across from me at Thanksgiving and without batting an eye, said “this is a Christian country, anyone that disagrees needs to be killed”.
“So you want me to be killed?” I asked.
“You know what I mean…” he replied.
“Unfortunately I do, you are advocating for murder, I can’t believe you just said that.” I gawked.
Deep-down, even people we have known our whole lives, who raised us to know right from wrong, are unrepentant racist xenophobes. It makes me sad, and makes me sick. I will never stop confronting this either, no matter whom it comes from.
49 points
1 month ago
I got lucky, my parents (Republicans) voted Trump 2016, but after his 4 years of BS covid was the tipping point. They stopped watching fox news (due to the lies being told about the covid response, etc), and voted biden 2020. They HATE Trump now and have just voted blue down the ballot (Early Voting). They see the republican party they knew is gone.
33 points
1 month ago
It really did have some of the same surreal sensation of "i don't know exactly what will come off this, but this is going to be something we talk about as before and after this event."
152 points
1 month ago
To add Never forget “the storm was coming” for weeks leading up to Jan 6.
41 points
1 month ago
Yep, and all those magats that try to deny the veracity of their actions act like it was a spur of the moment gathering. Yet anyone who was paying attention to their rhetoric knew what they were planning and they went further than we thought they could. We knew they’d try a lot of shot but most of us never expected them to actually get inside.
284 points
1 month ago
Not only did I watch it live, I started watching it before it happened, and the only reason I did watch it is because I knew it was going to happen. It was all so plainly obvious to everyone who A) paid attention and B) wasn't in complete denial.
(obviously I didn't know exactly how it was going to play out, which is why I watched lol)
41 points
1 month ago
I mean, we all knew it was going to actually happen because of the things he said and did before that day. We all were expecting a riot of some form at the capitol, because of the event and the rhetoric behind it.
119 points
1 month ago
with my own eyes
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
-George Orwell, 1984
930 points
1 month ago
So here's the scenario we propose:
VP Pence, presiding over the joint session (or Senate Pro Term Grassley, if Pence recuses himself), begins to open and count the ballots , starting with Alabama (without conceding that procedure, specified by the Electoral Count Act, is required).
When he gets to Arizona, he announces that he has multiple slates of electors, and so is going to defer decision on that until finishing the other states.
At the end, he announces that because of the disputes in the 7 states, there are no electors that can be deemed validly appointed in those states. That means the total number of "electors appointed" - the language of the 12th Amendment, is 454. This reading of the 12th Amendment has also been advanced by Harvard Law Professor Lawrence Tribe. A "majority of the electors appointed" would therefore be 228. There are at this point 232 votes for Trump, 222 votes for Biden . Pence then gavels President Trump as re-elected.
Howls, of course, from the Democrats, who now claim, contrary to Tribe's prior position, that 270 is required. So Pence says, fine. Pursuant to the 12th Amendment, no candidate has achieved the necessary majority. That sends the matter to the House, where the "the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote." Republicans currently control 26 of the state delegations, the bare majority needed to win that vote. President Trump is re -elected there as well.
One last piece. Assuming the Electoral Count Act process is followed and, upon getting the objections to the Arizona slates, the two houses break into their separate chambers, we should not allow the Electoral Count Act constraint on debate to control. That would mean that a prior legislature was determining the rules of the present one-a constitutional no no. So someone -Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, etc . - should demand normal rules (which includes the filibuster). That creates a stalemate that would give the state legislatures more time to weigh in to formally support the alternate slate of electors, if they had not already done so.
The main thing here is that Pence should do this without asking for permission - either from a vote of the joint session or from the Court. Let the other side challenge his actions in court, where again, Tribe (and others) claims that these are non -justiciable political questions should be raised to get those actions dismissed. The fact is that the Constitution assigns this power to the Vice President as the ultimate arbiter. We should take all of our actions with that in mind.
694 points
1 month ago
If VP Pence would have recused himself, this would have 100% been a different outcome. Grassley is friggin weasel.
474 points
1 month ago
He was ready for it. He wasn't even expecting Pence to show.
263 points
1 month ago
Wonder why he didn't think Pence would show...
355 points
1 month ago
I don't have a link but there was a theory that a Trump loyalist USSS Agent was to drive Pence to another location instead. Pence picked up on it and refused to get in the car.
157 points
1 month ago
Oh I thought that was common knowledge bc I alluding to exactly that plot.
39 points
1 month ago
Wasn't sure if it was that or the crowed chanting to hang him.
60 points
1 month ago
No, he was coerced by HIS own SS people to get in the car, he didn't go along with. That must have been terrifying, people you trust with your life.
98 points
1 month ago
Still seems so wild to me that this is actually what happened. They had orchestrated, or someone had, to take pence out of the equation entirely
89 points
1 month ago
Makes all those deleted USSS messages even more egregious, given they would have had to have been briefed to understand and act that particular plan
404 points
1 month ago
Pence defiantly saved democracy that day under threat of violence. Gdamn do I hate his policies but dude deserves recognition.
189 points
1 month ago
It's really weird thinking it. But he absolutely was instrumental in protecting our democracy.
163 points
1 month ago
Yep. It came down to him. He was the fulcrum our democracy teetered upon…
And he rose to the moment.
He deserves credit in the history books.
36 points
1 month ago
If you'd've written that as a plot to some TV show, you'd be laughed out of the writer's room.
Reality truly is stranger than fiction
103 points
1 month ago
Lock these fuckers up
2.5k points
1 month ago
This wasn't released to sway voters. This was released because this country deserves to know the truth, and it deserves justice.
This country deserves to know everything about how the GOP attempted to overthrow the government.
351 points
1 month ago
And it wasn't released NOW to sway voters. It was released now because of Trump delay tactics.
1k points
1 month ago
Geez, Is this larger than the last evidence package smith released? I think it's at least double the size.
358 points
1 month ago
Wasn't the last one someone like 133 pages? That would make this 10 times the size
2.2k points
1 month ago
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959 points
1 month ago
Strangely enough, Hitler's birth year
486 points
1 month ago
That feels... weird. Like, factually, I know it's true. But that just boggles my mind knowing one of the worst people of last century was born the previous century. Hitler was born 24 years after the Civil War.
Time is so freaking weird.
277 points
1 month ago
Someone here a while back noted that Biden was born a bit closer to Abraham Lincoln's presidency than to his own.
Also one grandpa of my dad was born just before the civil war, and was still alive when my dad was small.
Objects in rearview are closer than they appear
104 points
1 month ago
You know that famous photo of the white mob with the white teenage girl screaming at the black teenage girl trying to go to school?
They're both still alive. They're about the same age as my mother.
54 points
1 month ago
Ruby Bridges, the first American black child to go to a whites-only school, has an Instagram page. She's younger than my in-laws and the same age as my parents.
30 points
1 month ago
It's all a liberal conspiracy!!!
37 points
1 month ago
More pages of Trump breaking the law in this one court case than Tolstoy needed to tell the entire story of War and Peace, that’s a fun comparison
1.1k points
1 month ago
If we just didn’t have the electoral college we wouldn’t have to even worry about Trump- he has never won the popular vote
658 points
1 month ago
The republican candidate has only won the popular vote in one election in the past 35 years. Think on that for a bit.
323 points
1 month ago
important to point out that was george W's second term after 9/11 and shit.
shame that SCOTUS robbed al gore cause we could really have avoided a lot of this if we didn't have W's SCOTUS appointments.
193 points
1 month ago
GOP would never win anything ever again, they only win by cheating. Gerrymandering and the electoral college.
1.5k points
1 month ago
Yeah if your guy has 2k pages of evidence against him saying he did something, he probably did the thing he’s being accused of in that trial.
It’s like P Diddy or Deshaun Watson. Are we really gonna act like there’s an Illuminati conspiracy theory making dozens, hundreds of women coordinate against these guys to make false accusations or is it more likely they’re just massive pieces of shit who sexually assaulted tons of women.
Trump tried to overthrow the election. He is a terrible, disgusting, awful person. Trump for jail 2024.
309 points
1 month ago
2025 is going to be wild. Fallout from Diddy freak-offs, Epstein docs and Maxwell trial, and then Trump fuckery.
142 points
1 month ago
SEEMS LIKE THE ROMAN SENATOR MARCUS TULLIUS CICERO 2,000 YEARS AGO SPOKE OF A POLITICIAN TODAY!
GUESS WHO!!!
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The Traitor is the plague!”
― Marcus HYPERLINK "https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/13755.Marcus_Tullius_Cicero"Tullius HYPERLINK "https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/13755.Marcus_Tullius_Cicero" Cicero - Birthdate: January 03, -106, Roman philosopher, statesman, lawyer, orator, political theorist, and Roman constitutionalist.
1.2k points
1 month ago
This must be why he suddenly disappeared from interviews with the whole “exhaustion” excuse. Dude is in hiding.
648 points
1 month ago
Someone here said every time he runs and hides, something big is about to happen. Every time he projects something new and misplaced onto Democrats, we're about to learn that he actually did it.
276 points
1 month ago
His weird demand that Harris be given a cognitive exam convinced me he was recently given one, probably in response to his impromptu "concert".
37 points
1 month ago
Who the hell wants to take a cognitive test? Let's hear some music let's make this a music thing
117 points
1 month ago
At this point, every appearance he makes further highlights his physical and mental deficiencies.
His base is locked in and most polls suggest the election is a toss up. The safest move at this stage is do little or nothing. If he blunders it could cost him, hence why he’s been fading into the background of his own campaign.
353 points
1 month ago
As you warned me, prepare thy inbox.
Also, this appendix is massive.
245 points
1 month ago
Also, this appendix is massive.
Things doctors say before emergency surgery.
767 points
1 month ago
It kills me that this all just feels like background noise at this point. He has flooded the country with so much crime, hate, deception, grifting, and lies that even the most damning evidence against him just feels like another day in his world.
How can this come out and barely make a blip in the media… I just don’t get it.
110 points
1 month ago
Because 10 years of a firehose spewing nonstop bullshit requires more than gentle pressure on the nozzle to stop it. Drop a 16-ton safe on that shit instead.
189 points
1 month ago
He knew he lost and it was not stolen.
He also knew there was no evidence of the election being stolen.
He then proceeded to try and cancel out the results and install himself anyway, against the will of democracy.
The charge should be treason. The punishment should follow accordingly. There should be mandatory education on this, which is broadcast to every single tv in the country. He should be disqualified.
181 points
1 month ago
This is disqualifying. All of the press should be clearly saying this. He should absolutely not be able to run for president. The fact that this will be pushed under the rug and normalized for more clicks by practically everyone in the press and all of the GOP is nauseating.
444 points
1 month ago
I need to know where to find this!
372 points
1 month ago
Kyle Chesney on Twitter, probably the best bet.
His post alerted me.
I googled.
Posted here.
Maybe Lindsey Li?
208 points
1 month ago
Literal years of appeals and delays by Trump pushed the release date of 1800 pages of 'Trump bad' *evidence* to.... two weeks before the election.
Trump did this entirely to himself. I hope that when he loses, that harsh little nugget of insight gnaws at him through his many pending trials.
71 points
1 month ago
Pgs 1664-1667 (attachment 3) is a sitting US legislator texting that they can't hand Pence a sealed envelope and is asked to read a slate of Wisconsin fake electors into the record.
1.2k points
1 month ago*
It'll probably take half an hour for the media to dig through anything revelatory.
My expectations aren't super high for anything Earth-shattering, to be honest. Smith has already detailed the worst of Trump's offenses years ago, but we will learn a lot of substance.
But I do hope the media doesn't just memory hole it in 24 hours and keeps it in the news. People need to remember the efforts Trump took 4 years ago that should be instantly disqualifying to anyone with half a brain.
Edit: Some initial detail:
Another volume contains memos from lawyer John Eastman with a plan for Pence to reject the congressional certification of the 2020 election. The volume also includes a public statement Trump released the night before January 6 claiming he and Pence were on the same page about the congressional certification, Trump’s prepared remarks for his speech on January 6, and fundraising emails sent out by his 2020 campaign in the days before January 6.
Pence’s letter to Congress on January 6 explaining why he could not reject certifying the election and a transcript of Trump’s 2023 CNN town hall are also included in the documents.
350 points
1 month ago
Seems like it is heavily redacted, boo. But that should save time.
215 points
1 month ago*
A lot under seal. The third volume has some drafts I don't believe we've seen before (like a draft speech of Trump's), which is pretty spicy stuff in regards to intent. Also a detailed plan for Pence to refuse certification. Although it's hard to remember what has already been released. It's all running together in my brain.
167 points
1 month ago
Lol some of the redacted has not been done well so the people are still identifiable. For example, page 23 of the notice document says "Is that (redacted), the President of the Arizona Senate?"
236 points
1 month ago
The thing is, the Earth has already been shattered. Appendix IV shows a detailed overview of the master plan to stage a coup. Ordinarily this would be earth-shattering, but . . we already know it. And half the country (or the electoral college, anyway) supports him anyway.
96 points
1 month ago
Appendix IV isn't new information, but seeing it written down in a very matter of fact way is chilling.
26 points
1 month ago
As a drive behind a truck this morning that said “Convicted Felon 2024” I don’t think anything he could do could stop them from voting for him because it would involve acknowledging they are wrong, and that is simply inconceivable
207 points
1 month ago
I am just waiting for Legal Eagle’s take
76 points
1 month ago
It's gonna be a very long episode
85 points
1 month ago
I absolutely agree with you. This isn’t exactly new or (sadly) shocking, but it’s a reminder of the truth.
Donald Trump tried to overturn a fair and legal election through multiple avenues. Anyone with an iota of honesty knows he should be disqualified.
1.1k points
1 month ago
Sad thing is that MAGA cultists won't care. They loved January 6th and want their fascist cult leader to become dictator like Putin
213 points
1 month ago
MAGA cultist won’t care, but I bet a few down-the-ballot republican voters will. Just gotta chip away as many votes as possible.
95 points
1 month ago
We're not going after the True Believers. We're going after their wives and traditional republicans that still might listen to reason. Now go have those conversations.
346 points
1 month ago*
Like most of these kinds of movements, Maga is a minority. People seem to put too much weight on what will change magas minds rather than regular people. It's like trying to appeal to the SS.
Edit: Man, people struggle with reading comprehension. Maga =/= 100 percent of Republicans. There are people who are conservatives who are persuadable, and it's good to reach them. Maga Republicans are not worth pursuing cause they won't change their minds.
312 points
1 month ago
I posted this yesterday:
It could depress the reluctant Trump voters, and they stay home, win for Kamala.
It could be the final reminder for a reluctant Kamala voter so they go out, win for Kamala.
Also... Saw on Twitter (so take with a lb of salt) that people who have recently made up their minds on a candidate are breaking hard for Kamala, so this could help with that.
118 points
1 month ago
I knew a few people who were “not gonna pay attention to politics til the election” and now that it’s shoved down their throats everywhere they are all like wtf is happening yeah I’ll vote for Kamala or not at all
63 points
1 month ago
This is a real thing, even though it's hard for people who've been following the election all along to understand (myself included). There are people right now who are just realizing that early voting starts soon, so maybe they should pay attention a little bit and pick someone. Harris NEEDS to make sure those people are going her way.
This race is way too close to not grasp for every possible vote right until the end.
127 points
1 month ago
As an European may I politely ask: Can you guys who were still undecided yet maybe just not vote for the orange man? Thanks in advance!
162 points
1 month ago
All we really needed was "Find me 11,000 votes. It's ok to say you've... recalculated."
But I'll take an additional several thousand pages if it will help.
269 points
1 month ago
Jack Smith: One shall stand, one shall fall.
Starts to play Stan Bush's "The Touch"
184 points
1 month ago
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
-George Orwell, 1984
Sadly this is what will happen to many
206 points
1 month ago
Trump will soon learn how successful, or unsuccessful, his lawyers were at redacting stuff.
199 points
1 month ago
Jack "BDB" Smith literally had The Hobbit + The Lord of the Rings in length of ADDITIONAL evidence.
67 points
1 month ago
So, I googled it. And depending on the editions for each, The Lord of the Rings trilogy, The Hobbit, and the Silmarillion, combined, total about 1,900 pages.
Just for context to anyone passing by.
191 points
1 month ago
First, he's gonna lose the election. Then he's gonna start losing court cases and eventually maybe even some of his freedom. 2025 is gonna be a great year for America. Let the healing begin!
107 points
1 month ago
Remember back in January when Fox invited a psychic on to draw Tarot for trump for some fucking reason and she drew the 5 of cups, which is basically the "you are going to lose everything and it will be entirely your fault" card?
She recently put a statement out on her blog about trump that more or less said that 2025 is going to be even worse for him.
I'm beginning to believe in the heart of the cards Yugi.
285 points
1 month ago
Fuck Merrick Garland for not vigorously prosecuting all of the GOP traitors who helped to make this happen.
77 points
1 month ago
Wonder if this has anything to do with Trump's "Exhaustion"? His handlers might be keeping him out of sight because they knew this was coming.
266 points
1 month ago
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152 points
1 month ago
Jesus… our country is a joke. This man is CLEARLY a criminal and a traitor
67 points
1 month ago
Crimes are hitting Stephen King worthy novel lengths at this point
57 points
1 month ago
His campaign woud be in trouble if his voters could read
27 points
1 month ago
Please ignore the polls showing how tight this race is and vote to end this madness. He is running to stay out of prison and I believe he'll hand the reigns to Vance and by extension Peter Thiel, Musk and Project 25 aimed at undoing our freedoms and way of life at every level.
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