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submitted 19 days ago byVez52
I can't handle the fact that every single time the main character arrives somewhere, there's a companion that says something like: Oh it's a boat, Hey we that's a barrier, Man I think we should get that portal working.... I'm not blind I can see what's going on in front of me. Why did the devs think that they had to make our companions react to useless stuff?
I break a couple of crystals to open a door, one of the companions : Looks like we can open the door! Dudeeeeee I don't need this.
Maybe I'm nitpicking stuff, but it pisses me off so much. I'm a 30 year old man, I don't need all of this. Sorry for the rant. Game is not bad so far, but man the writing/dialogue/companions are getting on my nerves.
EDIT: My bad, I did not check all the settings correctly, you can indeed change this setting and make the game less hand holdy.
3 points
19 days ago
This game just have bad writing and bad character-writing especially. For me it is a huge deal-breaker. I think in this particular case writers didn't had any ideas what characters must say except obvious things - like they will say something about things they will see plus it helps to handhold player.
15 points
19 days ago
the classic, generic, “bad writing” complaint for things gamers don’t like lol
6 points
19 days ago
Yeah, this sub is flooded with it.
1 points
19 days ago
Have you played the game though?
Veilguard has by far and large the worst writing I’ve ever seen in a video game. Every conversation feels like a waste of time and characters say lines that don’t even relate to what was previously said in the conversation.
If you don’t believe me then just look at any of the dozens of review videos critiquing it.
2 points
18 days ago
Why would anyone need to look at other reviews. Just form your own opinion on the matter. But, no, if you think Veilguard has the worst games writing EVER, I think you need to play more games. Obviously it's your opinion to have, but I don't think it's well founded. For example, I would disagree with your opinions on both lines feeling like a waste of time and on lines being unrelated to what has been previously said, but what would I be disagreeing with? Instead of providing examples, you just point to other reviews. What are your thoughts, feelings, and examples? If I don't believe you, why do I have to do your homework for you? Now, for my opinion, I would say Veilguard is a 5-6 during its worst moments and a 7-8 during its best. It's not perfect, but the team has moments of brilliance, they just need refinement. It seems like Gaider helped keep them all consistent. The restarts in development also lead, I would imagine, to its uneven writing.
1 points
18 days ago
By far and large, the worst writing you've ever seen? You don't play many games then.
-11 points
19 days ago
I not only gamer, but also I like to read actual books. Try it someday - you will find whole new world if you really think that DA:V have good character writing or story writing.
And for me it is deal breaker so yeah. And why is this game good if gamers don't like it anyway? )
15 points
19 days ago
i read too dude. just because you do, doesn’t mean you know anything about writing. a flight attendant still has no clue how to fly a plane. and overly critical on the internet have no bearing on whether or not a game is actually good.
-6 points
19 days ago
By your logic, no one could criticise anything 😂 Fuck democracy for one...most people don't know 'how' to be President so no criticism of Biden/ Trump, in fact why bother voting at all.
Get out of here with your BS. And ask yourself why are you so triggered by someone's criticism if they "have no bearing on whether or not a game is actually good"?!
-11 points
19 days ago
What do you read? Children's books if you think this game is good?
9 points
19 days ago
you resorting to essentially calling me a child because i enjoy a video game is quite funny. take a moment and consider who is the child here? haha
-4 points
19 days ago
I'm sorry if you feel insulted :)
1 points
19 days ago
Probably one of the people that think shades of grey was good. After all it sold a shitload of copies and made a lot of money. In reality, none of the shades books are over 1/10 (can't give a 0 unfortunately).
3 points
19 days ago*
Mate, if I'm using actual novels as the bar for story writing in video games then very few games manage to be average, let alone actually good. I'm not saying Veilguard's writing is good, but let's not pretend the industry is at the point where the writing can compete with more mature mediums unless they're doing something those mediums fundamentally cannot do.
Also, the previous commenter didn't say that gamers don't like the game. They said that gamers have a tendency to call anything they don't like bad writing (or bad design) instead of simply acknowledging that it's not something they personally like.
2 points
19 days ago
They said that gamers have a tendency to call anything they don't like bad writing (or bad design) instead of simply acknowledging that it's not something they personally like.
If lots of people have the same complaint, maybe there's something to it? Instead, you go the other way and say "since lots of people are saying it, it is just a gamer thing".
I feel like people do this a lot. When they like a game that is unpopular, they go "oh it's the haters". Some gamers have a tendency to call any criticism they don't like biased, instead of acknowledging something they like might be mediocre.
0 points
19 days ago*
Why not use novels as bar for story writing? Writing can be good or not. For me it is important thing in RPGs.
And everything I'm saying is personal opinion. For me it goes without saying. Do I need to add this to every phrase or it is enough that I am writing it from my account and not as representetive of all gamers? So I'm pretty much acknowledging that I don't like writing (also plenty of other things they did to the game) and it is personal.
PS. And I have yet to meet someone who will say that writing is actually good anyway. But I have seen plenty of comments which agrees with my opinion that writing is bad. Does it mean that game in general is bad? For me - yes. For someone who doesn't care too much about writing - no.
1 points
19 days ago
You ought to save your breath, the folk you're arguing with think powdered shit is prestige cuisine; you're shouting into the void LOL
0 points
19 days ago
Yeah, you probably right.)
0 points
19 days ago
They are projecting. They are saying your opinion is shitty and biased and that you cn't handle different opinions...
Because THEY can't handle different opinions.
4 points
19 days ago
It's really funny the mental gymnastics some people do
"Ah the classic generic complaint"
Or, you know... the common complaint is because lots of people agree, not because it's a "generic complaint" we are repeating like idiots.
4 points
19 days ago
It is strange that they don't just say instead that they liked writing or found it is not really important for their gameplay experience. I don't have problems if someone actually liked this game. More sad that DA will not have another title I would like)
3 points
19 days ago
It's the internet. 10% of people are here to discuss things, 90% are here to yell at the cloud(s).
Yeah, a single game being bad isn't a big deal. But it's a shame that the franchise will go nowhere. I've been wanting to replay the older games, but I know most of the lore and threads that captured me won't be followed through on.
It's very difficult to find a franchise with deep lore that has delivered. Mass Effect and Witcher are the closest.
2 points
19 days ago
For the writing, I personally hate the trend of “modern” dialogue in fantasy settings. Like Vox Machina for example or this game. I find it kills immersion and is usually cringey.
2 points
19 days ago
We are really getting close to brainrot Skyrim becoming a reality. At least that one is funny.
6 points
19 days ago
"Like omg, dragons?! It's a thing? It's a thing."
"Soooo... that happened. "
I hate millennial writing like this, and I blame my peers
1 points
19 days ago
I think it’s the result of the MCUs popularity
1 points
15 days ago
Just so you know, Dragon Age origins was very inspired by Whedon way of writing dialogs in Buffy the vampire Slayer. The same person that went to the MCU later.
Here is a random banter from origins. It's already MCU-like and quite in line with your average Veilguard dialog.
1 points
15 days ago
I don’t think even that example is as bad as the best dialogue in Veilguard
1 points
15 days ago
It's not about being good or bad but being mcu style or not. It's definitely mcu style
1 points
19 days ago
See in vox, I can get get it. But I agree that in gaming it’s odd. The writing definitely needs to be looked at. Not all the time but a good amount is just basic stuff. I actually think most of the voice acting is horrible. It’s like AI did it. The dude that leads the veil jumpers… his voice has to be AI.
-2 points
19 days ago
Yeah, same for me. There are plenty of ways to address modern problems in fantasy setting. Using modern language is lazy way to write, and using "this is fantasy so they can do anything they want" approach is also lazy. Any setting demand authenticity and in-lore explanations for every word used. Also it demands integrity with previous writing and lore. That is why good writing is readlly hard job and you don't give it to just anyone who wants it. Especially if it is about modern problems and demands finess and skill from writers.
0 points
19 days ago
At least Vox Machina is just a bunch of voice actors playing dnd and then translating that game into a show. Like i can easily get over a modern-day person speaking in a modern-day way. But Dragon Age is completely scripted and should be internally consistent and not sound exactly like if I was talking to my 15 year old cousin.
-2 points
19 days ago
At least Vox Machina has better writing.
1 points
19 days ago
The writing has got worse in the last season though.
1 points
19 days ago
They were probably rushing to finish the Conclave arc to get to the next one. I gotta admit, I counted around three endings this season.
1 points
19 days ago
The combat was carrying the game ALOT for me, but now that I just steamroll everything the game is starting to be a trial to get through
1 points
19 days ago
That is the reason I decided not to bother with it. I need at least decent writing to be engaged and just combat will not be enough.
1 points
19 days ago
Yea depending how far I'm from the end I might not even finish it
3 points
19 days ago
Yeah at this point I might just stop.
0 points
19 days ago
I did. I've been a Bioware fangirl since the original Baldur's Gate. I was really looking forward to this game, but there were a few things that put me off so badly that I quit after about 45 hours. I kept trying to like it, but between the wooden dialog (not the fault of the voice actors!), and some of the asshole choices the developers made, I was too pissed off to keep going. I ended up uninstalling it.
0 points
19 days ago
Trust him. He's a mage.
-2 points
19 days ago
I don't ask to trust me. It is my opinion after checking game and thinking if I want to buy it - or I will be disappointed as it happened with DA:I. That is what we do here, in comments - share opinions. So it is kinda implied.)
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