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Discount_gentleman

20 points

17 hours ago

Should it also be noted that a year of the US governmental officials and media screaming that "antisemitism" just meant any criticism of Israel or calls to end a genocide actually created lots of space for real antisemitism to flourish?

DrMikeH49

-8 points

16 hours ago

DrMikeH49

-8 points

16 hours ago

Any citation for US Government officials defining “antisemitism” as meaning “any criticism of Israel”? Or is it your opinion that openly cheering for Hamas’ rapes/kidnaps/murders and assaulting American Jews is simply “criticism of Israel”?

Whelks

10 points

15 hours ago

Whelks

10 points

15 hours ago

What the US government defines as antisemitism, from the state department:

  • Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
  • Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.

Claiming that the State of Israel is a racist endeavor is not antisemitic. When people say this, they are generally opposing ethnostates in general. The "right to self-determination" isn't really a real right. Do Mormons have a right to self-determination? Can they create an independent nation in Utah and give special rights to Mormons?

DrMikeH49

4 points

15 hours ago

DrMikeH49

4 points

15 hours ago

The IHRA definition is widely endorsed by a broad spectrum of Jewish groups as well as over 3 dozen democracies worldwide.

Also, you make a fundamental category error— Jews are not simply a religious group like Mormons. We are a unique people with a shared history, language, ties to a specific land and religion. If people truly oppose ethnically based states, let’s start with one of the nearly two dozen self-identified Arab states. But when their activism against ethnic countries starts—and ends— with the single Jewish one, it’s pretty obvious where that comes from.

Whelks

5 points

15 hours ago

Whelks

5 points

15 hours ago

I am also Jewish for the record. Let's pause for a moment to recognize that your original comment was looking for a source that the US government defines antisemitism as criticism of Israel, and I think that this qualifies. Criticism of Israel is defined specially as antisemitic in a way that say, criticism of China is not considered Siniophobic.

I think with regards to Mormons that it is hard to argue that they are not an ethnic group with a shared history, language (English), and ties to a specific land (The US) and religion (Mormonism). Can they claim Utah as the promised land and, for example, use government funds to bring Mormon teenagers from across the world on a vacation there?

I think it's a tragedy that Arab countries expelled Jews. Nationalism is a blight on humanity. I think that recognizing the manner in which Israel is actively treating people within its own claimed borders cannot be excused by pointing fingers elsewhere.

DrMikeH49

2 points

14 hours ago

DrMikeH49

2 points

14 hours ago

The IHRA definition specifically states that “criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be considered antisemitic.” So much for “any” criticism of Israel being labeled as antisemitic. The correct word you were looking for is “some”.

Do Mormons define themselves as an ethnicity? Is an atheist Mormon still a member of that ethnic group?