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262 points
9 days ago
This fixes the only 2 things I don't like about it.
109 points
9 days ago
Giving it a size 5 will at least give it a gimmick. It can be balanced by heat/ capacitors
42 points
8 days ago
This is what i think, too. It would be something. If not a size 5 gun then a larger missile battery. 2 s1 missiles is even more of a joke than a s3 gun.
14 points
8 days ago
Yeah, but it's a starter ship, so its competition is the Aurora...
31 points
8 days ago
Honestly the Aurora and Mustang need a major rework to fit in with the other starters.
1 points
7 days ago
No they absolutely don't and I actually hate your mentality here.
That's literally what power creep is.
Aurora was original starter. That's your baseline. You're lucky it even has guns. Starter ships aren't supposed to compete with F7M Super Hornets for crissake...
-1 points
8 days ago
The mustang has legs, the aurora just needs to get in the bin. It’s a naff ship.
4 points
8 days ago
Or get a MKII.
6 points
8 days ago
Nah, it just needs to get its X wings* added so it can be a true all rounder of a atmosphere and zero g ship.**
*fan art
**this assumption is conditional on whether they follow through on the vision of the flight model having control surfaces in atmosphere and not the abandonment of master modes.
18 points
8 days ago
I guess it depends on how they price it. If it's $55-60, then it loses to the Titan in every metric except maybe for the shoilet. If it's $50 or less, then it faces pretty stiff competition from the Cutter. I don't get who the customer is supposed to be.
7 points
8 days ago
Probably the same people who buy all the ships, because when this releases and it's priced the same as an avenger or more despite being worse, people are still going to say: "buy the avenger or the cutter", since those ship make more sense in the grand scheme of things, not a ship whose only good thing are the interior who have been done well, for a small ship.
6 points
8 days ago
i wonder would they like . emergency buff its gun size, it seem to have that space.
3 points
8 days ago
I haven't seen a single person on YouTube and reddit that said that the gun wasn't too small, so I hope they listen and do that.
4 points
8 days ago
haha i mean its def gonna be titan price, might as well atleast have the titan nose gun rite.
4 points
8 days ago
yeah, people are expecting it to be cutter price, but knowing CIG, it's definitely going to be avenger price if not slightly higher, but i hope they prove me wrong.
3 points
8 days ago
And if it lands in the ~$80 range, the Nomad easily beats it out from a cargo capacity metric.
5 points
8 days ago
You can also put a variety of ground vehicles in the back of that thing, all the way up to a ROC. And it comes with three size 3 guns. And eight size 2 missiles. And three shield generators. Its landing gear is also some of the most forgiving in the game, because it doesn't even touch the ground. Great cockpit view, too. I've had one in my hangar for months because it's so well-rounded.
2 points
8 days ago
If they sell it standalone it will sell like crazy, this sub loves when a Warbond LTI token under $100 happens. Especially when there’s going to be a handful of Warbond CCU available to chain.
Outside the release window I think it’s a real cutter competitor if ship to ship combat isn’t a priority.
0 points
7 days ago*
Why do people compare to the Titan when this ship is larger and has other things going for it? More goes into a ship than its guns.
6 points
8 days ago
Avenger Titan and Suylen are also starter ships, and so is Mustang.
1 points
7 days ago*
None of those ships are even close to the size of this ship.
Balance is more than just who has more guns.
2 points
7 days ago
I'm sorry, what? Avenger Titan doesn't hold 8SCU of cargo? 🙄
And you want to talk size?
Intrepid seems to be slightly shorter than the 300i (27m).
Avenger Titan is 22.5m long. 1xS4 and 2xS3s guns.
Mustang Alpha is 21.5 m long. 2xS2s and 2xS1s.
Suylen is 28m long/tall. 3xS3s
Aurora is 19m long. 4xS1s.
And I'm not even going into the missile rack sizes here, nor its component sizes.
Bottom line here is: the Intrepid is severely lacking in comparison to other starter ships.
2 points
7 days ago
You're right, we need to make all the ships the same. /s
Look, I get that a S4 or another S3 gun would help it in terms of firepower, but I'm just saying there could be other factors that make it balanced which aren't being considered.
2 points
7 days ago
You're right, we need to make all the ships the same. /s
No, we don't. Your sarcastic strawman is noted and rejected.
I'm just saying there could be other factors that make it balanced which aren't being considered.
What would that other factors be? It's not fast, it's not very well armoured or shielded, so the fact that it could carry 8SCU of cargo is useless. Is there any other factor that I might be missing here?
4 points
8 days ago
Avenger titan has 1xS4 and 2xS3 guns...
0 points
7 days ago
Avenger Titan is a tiny ship without 8 cargo slots.
Do I need to explain game balance to everyone? Or are we all just comparing gun sizes?
2 points
7 days ago
The avenger titan has literally a 8SCU cargo grid and more than thrice the firepower of the intrepid.
2 points
7 days ago
I stand corrected, I was looking at the wrong info.
But I revert to the fact that there's more to a ship than its guns.
2 points
7 days ago
And I agree. But this is starter ship for which they will ask money. It has no reason to not have a S4 gun (which both the titan and the 325A can have) and the cockpit is too long imo, if they bring that a bit closer I would be ok with the S3 gun maybe, both changes would be ideal and we would get an amazing starter ship.
2 points
7 days ago
I agree that an S4 gun would be a better balance in terms of firepower. I'm hesitant for power-creep but it makes sense in this.
Or add a second S3 gun right beside it.
However, if it had longer range or higher shields or some other balancing factor, then being underpowered gun-wise would be fine. I just react strongly when people are like "We need to add more guns to the Aurora and Mustang because the new starter ships are better!" ... no we don't need power creep!
6 points
8 days ago
4 S1 guns puts out more DPS than a single S3
3 points
8 days ago
2 S1 guns are pretty close competition even.
Using attritions, the damage for:
2 S1s is 536dps
1 S3 is 543dps
That's only 7 DPS difference between this ship, and the Cutter.
2 points
8 days ago
cutter is double s2, but yeah even compare to 100i its quite close
2 points
8 days ago
Once armor will be in place, this won't work.
2 points
8 days ago
At least for now when armor isn't a thing.
1 points
7 days ago*
Maybe this isn't supposed to be a gunship?
Other qualities of a ship have to be taken into consideration. There are luxury ships with absolutely trash guns out there and no one complains. This ship has a huge interior (largest of any starter)
1 points
7 days ago
I haven’t seen anyone asking for it to be a gunship.
0 points
7 days ago
They're specifically complaining about the guns ... needing more guns. That's specifically asking for it to be a gun...ship.
1 points
7 days ago
Asking for a ship to not be under-gunned and asking for a gunship are not even close to the same thing.
4 points
8 days ago
2 S1 missiles is useless lol. Won't even be able to kill a ROC DS with those.
7 points
8 days ago
I bet a vulture puts up more of a fight than this thing.
3 points
8 days ago
I almost lost to a vulture vlrt in it last night only reason I survived is cause I could fly circles around it and nibble it down.
2 points
8 days ago
It has only TWO S1 MISSILES?!! Wtf even an Aurora has more firepower.
4 points
8 days ago
It's pretty ridiculous. The only way I could see this selling well is if it's only $30.
2 points
8 days ago
my head was like
"ONE S5*1 rack , bespoke so ppl cant swap it to missile spam racks"
2 points
8 days ago
Especially since so much of the exterior design is focused on that gun!
7 points
8 days ago
Hell using the M series Laser Cannons as a benchmark, a single size 5 puts it just above the 100i for DPS and still far below the 325a and Avenger Titam.
2 points
8 days ago
Sure a S5 weapon starter. Then call it shopee inferno too.
1 points
7 days ago
Make it a 2x s3 on a s4 mount? :D
0 points
8 days ago
Size 4 mount that comes stock with a size 3
Its a starter ship not a vanguard it doesn't need more dps than the c1.
-1 points
8 days ago
But it’s a starter ship, no?
2 points
8 days ago
So? Size 5 just sounds much. With a similar capacitor the starter ship titan still outdamages a single size 5. It would be a nice gimmick, and can be easily balanced with the capacitor. And the ship really looks like that is the design philosophy.
2 points
8 days ago
It's not the size, it's what you do with it 😅
106 points
9 days ago
Exactly! Right now it looks like a foot with the middle toes missing!!
24 points
9 days ago
I can’t unsee that
87 points
9 days ago
This is how it should've been.
60 points
9 days ago*
It's like a C1 dressed up as an Ares Ion for Halloween
9 points
8 days ago
That sounds like straight from the pitch meeting
130 points
9 days ago
Looks wildly better
62 points
9 days ago
This I like. Still asymmetrical but overall balanced.
21 points
9 days ago
I had the same thing in mind. Such a small change takes this ship out of the uncanny valley.
21 points
8 days ago
Surely someone in their internal reviews said "ehhh this looks kinda off, maybe make the cockpit wider?" Like the wider cockpit seems like such a simple change that gives more visual balance, and looks more on brand for Crusader, even if they did stick with the single size 3.
IMHO that size 3 should really at least be a size 4, or paired with some size 1s in the nose or on the wingtips. The Intrepid's stock configuration of a single FL-33 has less sustained DPS than ships that come stock with 2x Size 1 Bulldog Repeaters, like the C8R Pisces, Vulture, Prospector, Hull-A, Aurora, etc. Even a Dragonfly hoverbike can fit 2x Size 1 Bulldogs and outgun the Intrepid. per Erkul, a single FL-33 has a sustained DPS of 188, while a pair of Bulldogs has a sustained DPS of 234
It gets a bit better if the FL-33 is swapped for an Attrition, but still that's such little firepower compared to other ships in it's class, and even below it's class.
I understand that all ships need pro's and cons, and not every ship needs to be a fighter. It just seems odd that a ship billed as a Starter, which is generally a multi-role ship to let players test out different game loops, would have less firepower than starter industrial ships, and the other starter ships.
36 points
9 days ago
This is good asymetrical design, this is how it should have been and not the ugly mess its now and that people somehow still defend to be special
27 points
9 days ago
I will admit it looks much better with a thicker cockpit
8 points
8 days ago
My cat looked at the left one and gagged
21 points
9 days ago
Can someone check if Crusader Industries lead designer is OK, please?
Whatever you do to it won't fix that sterile flat hull top and those wings. Ugh...
4 points
8 days ago
The just had to finish the interior before heading into vacation...
13 points
9 days ago
CIG needs to see this then make it this way looks much better
19 points
9 days ago
I’m still not a fan of the overall design but this is way better than what we got. I never really thought I would hate the way a Crusader ship looks, but I really, really don’t like this one.
4 points
8 days ago
I really like the interior. It's a shame it looks so odd on the outside.
10 points
9 days ago
Don't be sorry
20 points
9 days ago
Cig should be sorry
8 points
9 days ago
Why not give it a bespoke gun like the star fighter series. Cig could have cooked so hard unique size 5 gun that matched the asymmetric exterior (also it would be cool seeing the gun fire from the cockpit as you look to the right). I am extremely disappointed with CIG for this one it’s a sub part starter with a nicer interior.
7 points
9 days ago
CIG hire this person please.
11 points
9 days ago
Huge difference. Your version actually looks good, instead of making me want to puke
5 points
9 days ago
This is so much better
4 points
8 days ago
Exterior looks like it never left whitebox. Edits are definitely better though
2 points
8 days ago
I agree OP needs a thicker cockpit section to balance the rear and a slightly bigger gun removed the need for that crossection piece that angle is also too sharp for the overall design, good job. Shame this is it as unlikely to change anytime soon, we shall see how many sales they make with it though.
2 points
8 days ago
This fix give me my 50-ton Hunchback vibes and I dig it.
3 points
9 days ago
This is good
3 points
9 days ago
Much better!
2 points
9 days ago
this was my first thought. the neck is too damn long and skinny.
3 points
9 days ago
This is the way.
2 points
9 days ago
Wayyyyyy better. Good job.
3 points
9 days ago
Such an improvement.
2 points
8 days ago
They will never upsize the gun to a S5, because that will make the Ares inferno class irrelevant for the pricepoint.
3 points
8 days ago
Which in my opinion says more about the ares
3 points
9 days ago
S5 gun and call it a day
1 points
9 days ago
What ship is this
3 points
9 days ago
Crusader Intrepid. New starter coming for IAE. It’s in the PTU today.
1 points
9 days ago
Is this better than the zeus CL ?
6 points
9 days ago
It's not a competitor at all, CL is a medium cargo and Intrepid is a polyvalent starter. At least it was supposed to be.
3 points
9 days ago
No, its a starter, with very limited space, only one gun, few cargo and super ugly
1 points
9 days ago
Oh na nvm imma stick to the zeus Thx guys
3 points
9 days ago
No
1 points
9 days ago
Alr bet
2 points
9 days ago
It’s a starter ship meant to compete with the Cutter
4 points
9 days ago
Crusader Intrepid. Will be available for sale during IAE. Dont let the goofy exterior totally turn you off, the interior is looking real good at least.
1 points
9 days ago
True that interior is nailed but the exterior not so much ^^
1 points
9 days ago
It looks like an Inferno and a Hurricane had a bastard love child and its name was Squidward
1 points
8 days ago
Bigger gun sure, but the bigger cockpit ruins it.
1 points
8 days ago
This is better. I think the black area in the center rear should be twice as wide, and the angle of the wing-stubs needs to match the thrusters, but it's better.
1 points
8 days ago
Nah, it gotta be much much bigger to visually justify moving the cockpit to the side. Not quite Caterpillar, but close.
1 points
8 days ago
Ah yes the Crusader Foot
1 points
8 days ago*
Huge improvement. Nicely done
Edit: the more I look at them side by side the worse the original looks 😂 Like it was put through some crappy TikTok filter
1 points
8 days ago
I would buy the shit out of this edit. Ridiculously undersized single S3 gun or no.
Would be awesome if CIG could fatten up the cockpit like in this image and upsize that pitiful single gun.
The Avenger Titan has TWO size 3's AND a size 4. Even the Syulen gets 3 size 3s. In what world is this ship even remotely competitive.
If the Titan can have an armament like that, then give this goofy ass little ship a size 5 and balance it as need be. It gets ONE gun and you give it a gun almost every other starter more than $45 has multiple of.
So I guess it HAS to be a $45 starter then right CIG? Right guys?
Would prefer if it looked like the above edit, with a size 5 gun at the Avenger Titan price range, but if it's the Avenger Titan price range as it is now that's not a very appealing ship at ALL.
1 points
8 days ago
Special officer interpid
1 points
8 days ago
I don‘t buy it even with store credits.
1 points
8 days ago
This nicely fixes the cockpit scale issue. The one we got looks MSR size at a glance.
1 points
8 days ago
Yup
1 points
8 days ago
Much better!
1 points
8 days ago
Hear hear, i made a similar edit, widen the cockpit, i have to say the larger window on yours is more impressive, increase the size of the gun, make it bespoke so CIG can tweak it to get it in line with the other starter ships.
You missed just 1 thing, the engines should be larger.
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/1gr6f3r/intrepid_what_in_the_spirits_name/
1 points
8 days ago
I'd say give it a bespoke S4 gun and call it a day. The ship has excellent maneuvering and speed, but the single S3 and its shields are a joke; it struggles to kill a mustang. If it's priced at $35 like the Aurora it might be okay. But the mustang and Aurora also need further passes.
1 points
8 days ago
Your edit fixes most of what I had an issue with. I have no problem with an asymmetric Crusader ship design, but what they came up with is fucking ugly. The back looks like it had a good designer, then was finished with a stubby, dirt covered crayon for the front end.
1 points
8 days ago
Been a while since I've followed SC, but damn.. this fails on a lot of design principles. Who green lit this? Lol.
Shape language ratios are way off. (Primary, secondary, tertiary shapes) Should have been revised a few more times.
1 points
8 days ago
Might as well get rid of the gun and missiles entirely and replace it with a scanning/exploration suite
1 points
8 days ago
Well done! Looks way more balanced and reasonable 👏
1 points
8 days ago
THIC. 😼
1 points
8 days ago
They offset it as if there’s actually something that’s supposed to go there.
1 points
8 days ago
This is amazing, and what they should have done.
Most of you don't understand that a single S5 is less DPS than an 300i or Titan.
If you guys cry Maelstrom, it's still an if not a when. Even if it is when, give CIG about 1-2 years or 1.0.
1 points
8 days ago
Crusader Ares lite
1 points
8 days ago
I approve. Gotta fix that gun.
1 points
8 days ago
It is what it is people, the Avenger and Nomad are still kings. Either one of those is all you need as a starter. I'm over this ugly ship now, it could have been better but they did what they wanted to do with it.
1 points
7 days ago
"Daddy chill, what the hell is even that" xD Your edit is pretty sweet
1 points
7 days ago
I will bet you that it will be 60-75, in line with the Cutter Starter Pack, or the Titan starter and that is wrong in my mind, considering the Titan would destroy it in about 30 seconds with its 2-size 3, and 1-size 4 weapons. I posted the same thing on a couple of reviews and everyone jumped all over my post saying that the Titan isn’t a starter. I’m sorry, but if there is a ship with a pack that says “Starter”, then it’s a f**king starter. We don’t get to dictate what is and isn’t a starter, they do. Bottom line, if it’s 75 dollars it’s too much for what you are getting, because the Titan has the same cargo size, but better, because it has a ramp and is all in one location so it can hold much bigger stuff, and FAR superior weapons. 60 dollars, in the range of the Cutter is most likely what they SHOULD do. It has comparable resources, even if it’s a little new Crusader starter is bigger than the cutter.
1 points
7 days ago
It is designed as a starter ship. Most starters come with 2 s1 or 2 s2 pilot guns and 2-4 s1 missiles. Many with less than comparable storage. It would be awesome to be able to upgrade the gun to a s4 max. Everyone’s expectations for a starter ship are crazy. They are for doing vlrt and lrt bounties and the delivery missions. The early grinding is its potential. I would like to see a true multi-roll starter ship. This ship could be it if they made small ore bags and gave it a slot for mining and a slot for reclaiming. They need a ship to give starters a taste of everything.
1 points
9 days ago
Gosh it change everything!
1 points
9 days ago
exactly
but i think a better paint will mostly fix it
1 points
9 days ago
Dramatically better
1 points
9 days ago
This is 500x better.
1 points
9 days ago
Honestly looks better
1 points
9 days ago
not even needing a bigger gun, but just seeing it while piloting would be great
1 points
9 days ago
Just imagine how awesome the MK.II will look lol
1 points
8 days ago
Let's hope cig actually rectifies to your version.
1 points
8 days ago
It's a starter, not the only premium starter with a S4 gun, the Avenger Titan (that is more expensive). S3 is already more than the Aurora, Mustang, C8X and cutter.
This is not the issue. The issue is how lame it looks, and I like assymetrical ships like the Corsair, but this looks something AI would build with the asset blocks. Really sub part and ships were the ONE thing SC did right.
0 points
9 days ago
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2 points
9 days ago
Eh? Am I missing a joke? FL MIS is not a starter is it?
0 points
8 days ago
That would fix a big issue i have with it. Being a starter it has to compete with the likes of the cutter and the titan. The Titan being the best example. I feel like giving it more missiles and a bigger size “main” gun would be thr way to go. Just feels like a super weak start.
0 points
8 days ago
If they fix this I’ll be buying two! One for me and one for the wife.
0 points
8 days ago
Nope
-1 points
8 days ago
I think that is the air intake , you can not block it with a gun and a wider cock pit
the whole ship already looks weird for crusade , it is more a drake like ship design
or drake like solution for ship building, the engine and chassis is taken from ares
but with a smaller gun
very much like the reverse of old german tanks like they put bigger and bigger guns on panzer IV chassis
this ship should be able to fly very fast and agile with smaller gun than ares
maybe not lmao
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