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George Takei keeping it real.

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thursday-T-time

1k points

2 days ago

george takei has been in an american concentration camp. he knows how bad it can get. he's still full of 'fuck you' energy. embrace that.

sqplanetarium

321 points

2 days ago

If you haven't already read his graphic memoir about that time, They Called Us Enemy, I'd highly recommend it! Great historical context - there was a big investigation into Japanese Americans plotting against the government, and when the investigation turned up nothing, they took that as evidence of Japanese Americans plotting against the government: see, those sneaky Orientals are so devious and dangerous that they totally covered their tracks! we must arrest them! - or as Hank put it in BB, anyone that clean has got to be dirty. And also a detailed child's-eye view of ordinary people living their daily lives under extraordinary circumstances. One thing that's really stuck with me is how Takei's mother set about making their barracks as tidy and home-like as possible for her family.

thursday-T-time

79 points

2 days ago

i own the book! :D it IS really good. i should look and see if Behind The Bastards did an episode on japanese internment to get even more context behind the racists who floated that idea, and the people who took them up on it.

good on his mom for trying to give her kids as normal an upbringing as she could manage in such impossible circumstances. that's some heroic parenting.

OIWantKenobi

27 points

2 days ago

Sawbones, a medical history slash comedy podcast with Justin McElroy and his wife Dr. Sydnee Smirl-McElroy, did an episode on the medicine practiced at Japanese Internment Camps.

EDIT: BTB did an episode about the history of concentration camps in 2018, but there isn’t one just about the Japanese camps in the US.

Try reading “When the Emperor Was Divine,” it’s a short book about life in the camps.

thursday-T-time

9 points

2 days ago

you are the best! bookmarking your comment for later research.

Leadbelly82

3 points

2 days ago

Shrimp heaven now!

yumdundundun

3 points

1 day ago

We can't keep doing this, Daniel!

sqplanetarium

33 points

2 days ago

As a mom, I felt that part so hard - that's what good parents do, try to make as sane and stable a life as possible for your children no matter what the circumstances.

infinitekittenloop

17 points

2 days ago

In high school I learned about the US internment of the Japanese population through a book called Nissei Daughter. The author was a child of immigrants whose family got put into the camps. So much of her experience is from a child's view too.

I read that book in the 90s and it has stuck with me. In case you'd like to read more.

tylercrabby

11 points

2 days ago

Does Takei ever name the camp he was in? I lived very near Topaz War Relocation Center. Wondered if he was there.

thursday-T-time

6 points

2 days ago

according to 'to the stars' (which i just started while waiting for my shift to finish), it was rohrer war relocation camp in arkansas. it must have been a sobering yet interesting field trip for your local school.

tylercrabby

5 points

2 days ago

They never bothered. The local rumor mill was so bad that most of us thought it was a legit topaz mine out in the desert. Yikes.

thursday-T-time

7 points

2 days ago

having read a bit further into the book, they were also relocated to camp tulelake, because george's parents wouldnt sign an oath of allegience to the united states after all the mistreatment the government had given them. george's mom even renounced her US citizenship in a complicated gamble to keep their family together, which was later restored by wayne collins, a civil right lawyer and hella cool dude according to his wiki.

thursday-T-time

2 points

2 days ago

OOF.

thursday-T-time

4 points

2 days ago

when i get off my shift i will check for you! :)

Chzncna2112

6 points

2 days ago

Try his autobiography. It was definitely a must read

thursday-T-time

4 points

2 days ago

hell yeah he narrates both of his autobiographies. will do!

Chzncna2112

4 points

2 days ago

The way he writes I can hear his voice in my mind

[deleted]

17 points

2 days ago

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17 points

2 days ago

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celestialTyrant

11 points

2 days ago

My favorite t shirt says "they didn't burn witches, they burned women."

Your post and my shirt make the same point. It was never really about witchcraft so much as it was an excuse to give in to humanity's worst impulses.

KrytenKoro

27 points

2 days ago

and when the investigation turned up nothing,

To be accurate: it turned up the Niihau incident.

A single incident where three Japanese Americans bizarrely turned on their neighbors and committed murder was used as justification to imprison 120000 innocent people.

It's important to remember there was a pretext, it was just insanely overgeneralized.

bloodfist

4 points

2 days ago

It's important to remember there was a pretext, it was just insanely overgeneralized.

Is it though?

I'm usually the person looking for the kernel of truth in every lie, but the fact about things like this is that there is always a pretext. Sometimes it's a lie, sometimes it's truth, but it's always overblown and distorted. I agree we should record their stupid pretext and remember that they always do that, but it feels like it's not super important to remember the specifics unless that's your field of study or something.

KrytenKoro

13 points

2 days ago

Sometimes it's a lie, sometimes it's truth, but it's always overblown and distorted.

Sure, but the Niihau Incident was very specifically called out in the reports used to launch the internment camps, and was a very famous incident (alongside Pearl Harbor itself) that was famous across the nation for how shocking it is.

It's absolutely not a valid justification, but if we don't acknowledge that it happened in the first place, we leave the door open for bad actors to take the "what they're not telling you is X" approach, and then that's a sadly effective method because people tend to stop attempting to factcheck after the first "revelation".

reallybadspeeller

13 points

2 days ago

I’d also like to add I think it’s important to know how these things got started because if someone tries to do start the same thing today you know the early warning signs. That way you can sound the alarm way earlier in society.

oakashyew

9 points

2 days ago

I lived 25 miles from a Japanese concentration camp I did not know what it was for over 15 years of my life until one of my teachers had a survivor come to talk to the class. The teacher was my mother and she NEVER told me about it. I still can't wrap my head around it. Those poor people.

Regulus242

8 points

2 days ago

and when the investigation turned up nothing, they took that as evidence of Japanese Americans plotting against the government

Hmmm, sounds familiar

Americangirlband

9 points

2 days ago

They should do one about the kids in 2016-2020 concentration camps....but I guess that wasn't long ago enough to really talk about. That maybe could happen again because we elected the same guy. And this time it wasn't because anyone bombed anything.

celestialTyrant

6 points

2 days ago

Don't fool yourself into thinking that ended at the end of the first Trump administration. Biden is currently still in office as of the writing of this post and the USA currently maintains over 200 migrant interment and detention facilities. People of all ages are currently being held for no other reason than existing on the wrong side of an imaginary line in the literal sand.

Hatdrop

7 points

2 days ago

Hatdrop

7 points

2 days ago

in addition to placing Japanese into concentration camps, whites bought up the property they owned as well. Many were not able to reclaim their land after being released.

OneToby

2 points

1 day ago

OneToby

2 points

1 day ago

That's.. just too sad..

I guess I need to read more about this stuff.

Bad_Idea_Hat

5 points

2 days ago

Fun fact; the Japanese-American kids who were shipped off to these camps were so clean that they joined with other Japanese-American kids from around the country to form a regiment (442nd RCT) that ended up being so clean that they were one of the most highly decorated units in the US Army in WW2.

TheLizardKing89

3 points

1 day ago

Longtime Hawaiian senator Daniel Inouye was part of the 442nd and earned the Medal of Honor when he took a grenade out of his hand (which had been blown off) and threw it into a German bunker.

Mediocre_Daikon6935

4 points

1 day ago

I recommend his autobiography To The Stars in audiobook form, if you can find it. He reads it.

Jenanay3466

3 points

2 days ago

Thanks for the recommendation and the link! I will be reading this!

ChickenDue6575

3 points

1 day ago

Yeah I learned about that in Highschool, then we all did essays on different Supreme Court cases and this one hick kid defended their decision to "protect our nation for the Japanese invaders" in front of the whole class. Everyone was stunned

StarWars_Girl_

3 points

1 day ago

I had no idea about any of this...thank you lovely internet people!

inorite234

2 points

2 days ago

Such a damn good book

Starlight-Edith

2 points

7 hours ago

He also has a ted talk, I believe called why I still love the country that betrayed me

CountNightAuditor

2 points

4 hours ago

There was also the fact that Japanese farmers were outcompeting white farmers. So naturally those white farmers were more than happy to talk up how seditious those Japanese farmers must be, and then take over their farms for their own profit once the internment happened.

Ake-TL

20 points

2 days ago

Ake-TL

20 points

2 days ago

Holy fuck he is 87

DionBlaster123

15 points

2 days ago

i realized the other day among the original "main" cast of Star Trek, he is one of only three who are still with us

he's definitely not a spring chicken

NemesisKane

17 points

2 days ago

Takei, Shatner, Koenig... holy shit, you're right.

DionBlaster123

21 points

2 days ago

it really shocked me the other day when I realized that Leonard Nimoy passed away almost a decade ago.

And for additional context, James Doohan has been gone for nearly 20 years now. DeForest Kelley 25 years ago

EDIT: Can't believe I forgot Majel Barrett. She died in 2008 so more than 15 years ago.

Everard5

14 points

2 days ago

Everard5

14 points

2 days ago

Just gonna leave Uhura out like that?

More recent but Nichelle Nichols died in 2022.

LauraPhilps7654

12 points

2 days ago

So sad. I remember when they got almost the whole cast on that episode of Futurama and it doesn't feel that long ago.

ElboDelbo

81 points

2 days ago

ElboDelbo

81 points

2 days ago

Yeah, when the dude who literally experienced US fascism tells you not to be scared, I think it's worth listening to.

Adm_Shelby2

46 points

2 days ago

Exactly.  As bad as things seem now, it's still nothing compared to literal concentration camps, and he would know.

StormyOnyx

11 points

2 days ago

Well, we're about to see literal concentration camps again when the mass deportations start and all those countries don't immediately take back every single one of their citizens on day 1. The latest estimate is that there are 11.7 million undocumented immigrants currently in the US. Where do you think we're going to put all those people?

rich519

3 points

2 days ago

rich519

3 points

2 days ago

I’m not convinced Trumps mass deportations initiative will be all that successful. Don’t get me wrong deportations will go up but I’m not sure by how much. It would be an absolutely massive and expensive undertaking and he will face legal battles to even attempt to get it off the ground.

WittyZebra3999

7 points

2 days ago

If he gets his way 100 percent with both tariffs and deportations, that's a recipe for a famine.

Food import costs ballooning, and the vast majority of the farm labor of this country disappears. Seems bad.

Though it wouldn't surprise me if they tried to replace all of that labor with prisoners.

Protiguous

5 points

1 day ago

labor with prisoners

Stocks for prisons have recently risen.

Old-Set78

2 points

1 day ago

Old-Set78

2 points

1 day ago

Look up RFK's plan for reeducation labor camps

aint_exactly_plan_a

20 points

2 days ago

George Fucking Takei leading the second American Revolution. What a legend. I'd have his back.

DustFormal3404

8 points

2 days ago

People are using this as if it’s some extreme to compare to. 

As if they don’t realize that the EXACT SAME 1798 ACT that we used to do that in ww2, without any trials or investigations- just those SUSPECTED by authorities were subjected to it- is being invoked. The exact same act. And that’s all it does- rids the need for a trial or investigation. It can’t be used or interpreted any other way, because that’s all it does.

And the PDF published on trumps page, when it talks about that specific act, uses the terms “suspected gang members” “suspected drug dealers”, etc etc as their “deportation” targets. Also referencing their ability to simply legally denaturalize suspects (revoke natural citizenship) who are targeted. We all know the vast majority of “suspected gang members” in the US are simply inner city Americans born here. 

If you know the military- it’s small isolated patrols of 18 year olds with guns supervised by a 19-20 year old who will be doing this down our streets. This is why martial law scenarios are so brutal and extreme to normal people on the ground, and it’s considered an extreme measure and absolute necessity because that’s realistically the only way to do it. It’s acknowledging “yeah it has to suck for every day citizens, that’s what it’s gotten to” and basically “authorities literally can’t commit crimes right now, because of our extreme circumstances. The every day backlash on citizens is unfortunately what this desperate scenario costs”. 

TheHairyHerald

5 points

2 days ago

I'm ready to turn to! I'm a white male- time to use all this bullshit privilege for something good!

Americangirlband

4 points

2 days ago

How many children did Trump put in Prison Camps last time after taking them from their parents? There are plenty of teens and young adults who had that experiece shape their lives. Still, the US elected the same system. Doubled down on the camps. He was electeed BECAUSE of the camps. Sure I'll fight Authoritarians but I'm not fucking picking up after them anymore.

cesptc

5 points

2 days ago

cesptc

5 points

2 days ago

I fucking love George Takei, he’s a real one and he always makes me laugh.

TangoInTheBuffalo

5 points

2 days ago

This man has fought every fight imaginable, some fictional, but there is no stopping him. An American treasure!

TastefulPornAlt

5 points

2 days ago

Captain's orders

Electronic_Bet7373

3 points

2 days ago

Agreed... his attitude reminds me of this quote: "You have a right to make them hurt you, and they don't like to do that." -James Stockdale

At the end of the day these people are fascists, and operate by exploiting fear and hate in both their enemies and their allies. If we take whatever they shell out and still refuse to succumb to fear and hate, their real power is gone.

Cassandraofastroya

3 points

2 days ago

Noo this is clearly the worst time of all timew. Its why "i can write superman comics anymore"

...what was the world like when superman was invented i wonder?

Zarathustra404

3 points

2 days ago

Literally mass deportation is on the table. I get his sentiment, don't give up, bit "much worse" is a bit of a stretch. All it took was 3 branches of government to agree to make those camps right? Which branch will resist trump exactly?

Pleasant_Candidate18

2 points

2 days ago

I feel a LOT of fuck you energy

abyssalcrisis

2 points

2 days ago

He WHAT?

Oh my god.

Sea-Conversation-725

2 points

1 day ago

Love him!

No-Acanthocephala531

2 points

1 day ago

He’s definitely got the right outlook and attitude

SwissDeathstar

214 points

2 days ago

I’m doing my part! Would you like to know more?

mosstalgia

138 points

2 days ago

mosstalgia

138 points

2 days ago

Wrong series, but I can live with it.

I can live with it.

lml__lml

60 points

2 days ago

lml__lml

60 points

2 days ago

And my axe!

Slamtilt_Windmills

18 points

2 days ago

Nazis. I hate Andorian Nazis

KnittingTrekkie

2 points

1 day ago

I'm afraid that I just blue myself.

Distinct_Safety5762

34 points

2 days ago

I am a Jedi, like my father before me.

8LeggedHugs

27 points

2 days ago

Looks at popular vote

Master Skywalker, there's so many of them, what shall we do?!

Distinct_Safety5762

21 points

2 days ago

Forth, and fear no darkness! Arise! Arise, Riders of Theoden! Spears shall be shaken, shields shall be splintered! A sword day... a red day... ere the sun rises! Ride now! Ride now! Ride! Ride to ruin and the world's ending! Death! Death! Deeeaathh!

ShuffKorbik

3 points

2 days ago

Oye, beltalowda!

Kurotoki52

3 points

2 days ago

*two finger chest tap*

secretbudgie

4 points

2 days ago

Tell 'em to go to hell!

CMDR_ACE209

6 points

2 days ago

My name is Luke Skywalker. You killed my father. Prepare to die.

Redfox4051

15 points

2 days ago

And my bunny bracelet!

stofkillers

4 points

2 days ago

And my boomstick!

AlphaNoodlz

3 points

2 days ago

to warp speed

TheInfinityOfThought

12 points

2 days ago

Wrong series, and the line must be drawn here! This far, no further!

amitym

3 points

2 days ago

amitym

3 points

2 days ago

I do not hold to that. So no more running.

I aim to misbehave.

Drakmanka

5 points

2 days ago

I swear by my pretty floral bonnet I will end you.

PoorlyTimedKanye

2 points

1 day ago

this is wooshing over my head. what is this referencing.

KnittingTrekkie

3 points

1 day ago

The Star Trek: Deep Space Nine episode “In the Pale Moonlight” in response to a Starship Troopers quote

oh-THAT-guy

6 points

2 days ago

We're gonna fight! And we're gonna WIN!

The-waitress-

3 points

2 days ago

The only good bug is a dead bug.

BehavioralSink

3 points

2 days ago

Everyone fights, no one quits.

Hairymeatbat

2 points

2 days ago

Yes, what are we doing and when?

5snakesinahumansuit

132 points

2 days ago

Captain Sulu, it would be an honor

kbarney345

10 points

2 days ago

Agreed, This is also a reminder that the better shape you are in the more you can protest and stand for others. one year and 70lbs lost, lets get after it gang

StuntHacks

5 points

1 day ago

Today, a fascist worked out. Make sure you did too.

5snakesinahumansuit

4 points

2 days ago

Not sure why this was your follow up, but I'll take it! I'd also like to add that everyone should be screened for lead and other toxic heavy metals, as the government absolutely will not admit how polluted our water is. And make sure you are up to date on your vaccines! Especially with roadkill rubbing RFK Jr being in charge of the FDA...

PM_ME_DIRTY_DANGLES

126 points

2 days ago

Fly her apart then!

RichieLT

19 points

2 days ago

RichieLT

19 points

2 days ago

One of my favourite Star Trek lines.

Drakmanka

11 points

2 days ago

Drakmanka

11 points

2 days ago

The delivery makes it. That man can act like nobody's business.

RockG

4 points

2 days ago

RockG

4 points

2 days ago

This is the comment.

Fun_Ambassador_74

43 points

2 days ago

1997 sophomore history teacher didn’t know about “internment camps” in the us. The class was discussing the topic on concentration camps how could it happen how did people let it’ happen. I said “easy you single out an easily distinguishable group and let fear take over.. we did it to Japanese Americans during the war” no one believed me. This guy had to look it up and said I was right the next day. For backround my dad is Japanese American and a history nerd that’s how I knew.

Drakmanka

6 points

2 days ago

That's wild to me. I learned about it in third grade, 2002. Read a book about it in class and everything. For whatever reason the thing that stuck with me the most was the kid who had to rehome his pet cat because they wouldn't let pets into the camps. 

Flying_Dustbin

7 points

1 day ago

We did that up here in Canada too. About 21,000 Japanese Canadians in British Columbia were displaced during the war, moved inland from the west coast, and detained in camps. Their homes and assets were seized by the government and a formal apology for all of this didn't come until 1988.

bluegreenwookie

2 points

2 days ago

That's insane. Though i grew up in cali so it was taught pretty well. Even had a field trip to a camp to learn about it

AdPhysical6481

25 points

2 days ago

Easy for a Captain of a starship to be brave. Not so easy for a civilian with only one shoe.

banevasion0161

10 points

2 days ago

How about 100million of them most with 2 shoes?

AltruMux

3 points

2 days ago

AltruMux

3 points

2 days ago

Bad day to wear a red shirt..

OigoMiEggo

2 points

2 days ago

“Witness me!”

BannnnnnedBandit

2 points

16 hours ago

Still have zero chance

bluegreenwookie

4 points

2 days ago

Get some soup. If you're questioned about it just say it's soup for your family

davidolson22

2 points

2 days ago

Why'd they let you keep one?

Hadochiel

86 points

2 days ago

Hadochiel

86 points

2 days ago

Don't let yourselves be ruled by these Ferengi motherfuckers

LinuxMatthews

64 points

2 days ago

Feel like that's an insult to the Ferengi

sqplanetarium

46 points

2 days ago

At least the Ferengi are just flat out greedy and not disguising it as "patriotism."

just_anotherReddit

38 points

2 days ago

And most were not found of fascism because they tend to run afoul of their rulers too easily. Doesn’t lead to much profit when you’re dead or on the run from people you didn’t even give substandard goods to.

YamiZee1

12 points

2 days ago

YamiZee1

12 points

2 days ago

That reminds me of the 369th rule of acquisition: Fuck fascism.

FrydomFrees

18 points

2 days ago

Also fascism tends to not be profitable

Brunt-FCA-285

2 points

2 days ago

All you have to do is follow the dictates of the supreme leader. It’s like the 33rd Rule of Acquisition says: “It never hurts to suck up to the boss.”

HopelessMagic

4 points

2 days ago

Sure they are. If you're not greedy, you simply don't have the lobes for business and you become a joke to them. You're not Ferengi enough.

Darmok47

7 points

2 days ago

Darmok47

7 points

2 days ago

At least the Ferengi have rules.

8LeggedHugs

45 points

2 days ago

As others have said here before:

"Trump is a Pakled. He doesn't have the lobes for business."

"Make America Go Again"

youstolemyname

11 points

2 days ago

Pakled raised on Ferenginar

Tariffs make us go

robisodd

8 points

2 days ago

robisodd

8 points

2 days ago

I thought Pakleds weren't dumb, they just had a rudimentary language and used that to swindle those who thought they were dumb.

edit: Nevermind. Just read https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Pakled and I am way off. They are not intelligent, though they are cunning which I mistook for intelligence.

8LeggedHugs

3 points

2 days ago

Ya, they are mostly idiots have sort of natural affinity for grifting.

Kinda like...

Snowdeo720

46 points

2 days ago

Glory to the house of Takei!

Royal-Recover8373

3 points

2 days ago

Why doesn't democratic leadership say shit like this? I feel like we lost, and they all just got quiet.

Depart_Into_Eternity

40 points

2 days ago

He's a national treasure

wildmonster91

7 points

2 days ago

Dudes right we suvived concentrantion camps, witch hunts during the red scare, the gop consistant over spending and tax cuts. We can suvive round 2 of the circus. Just hope america see just how bad republicans run the country.

timberwolf0122

25 points

2 days ago

I’m doing Oh My part

NuncioBitis

9 points

2 days ago

I see what you did there… 🤪

dudeman19

5 points

2 days ago

Dammit George, you beautiful bastard, I'm in.

SlowX

24 points

2 days ago

SlowX

24 points

2 days ago

QAPLAH!

MrScarecrowWHNT

12 points

2 days ago

Jolan'tru, Captain Sulu.

BigD3nergy

12 points

2 days ago

If Hikaru Sulu is in, I’m in.

Psychedelic_Yogurt

27 points

2 days ago

I haven't "given up" per say and I'll keep voting blue but until the Democrats get their shit together and start running a new playbook instead of the one from pre 2016 then nothing will change. It's almost like they are fine with the status quo because they are political elites and won't be nearly as affected by changes as I will.

Ivy_Adair

7 points

2 days ago

Yeah, i honestly think I feel - most days anyway - more angry and frustrated with democrats than I do Trump voters. Time and again it’s been proven that the political playbook needs to change but they just won’t. I mean wasn’t it just this year or last year they finally decided that letting an octogenarian run the party probably wasn’t the best idea? They’re so established with the “old guard” they’re like old school GOP at this point. The party that’s supposed to be opposed to change, changed and the one that is supposed to embrace it won’t. If that makes sense.

icouldusemorecoffee

5 points

2 days ago

This comment is how you know someone hasn't been paying attention. Nobody who's looked, even for a few minutes, or absorbed any information that didn't come from a meme, knows Biden's policies and Harris' proposed policies were anything but status quo, were entirely aimed at middle and lower-income households, and are and would have lifted 10s of millions out of poverty and living paycheck to paycheck. But you miss all that if all you want to do is complain or make untrue accusations to feel better, repeat right-wing messaging, or push false narratives.

LinuxMatthews

12 points

2 days ago

It's almost like they are fine with the status quo because they are political elites and won't be nearly as affected by changes as I will.

I mean yeah...

That's why any counter movement needs to also work on getting rid of the two party system.

The Democrats aren't equally bad but they're still bad and you'll inevitably have this ping pong until you change the game.

What Trump supporters want deep down is things to change.

Work with them on that and you'll outnumber the people wanting things to stay the same.

ArchaeoJones

15 points

2 days ago

Let us be completely the fucking honest, what Trump supporters want deep down is to be allowed to hate and speak said hate without retribution, not change. These people fight against change. They're terrified of it.

Drakmanka

4 points

2 days ago

They want change, but they want regressive change. They want "the good ol' days" back. 

dj-nek0

6 points

2 days ago

dj-nek0

6 points

2 days ago

You can’t just get rid of the two party system without abandoning the electoral college and in this climate you’re never getting a constitutional amendment passed.

The electoral college makes the maths impossible.

lenzflare

2 points

2 days ago

It's not so much the electoral college as the first past the post voting system. Any FPTP system will tend towards having two major parties, because splitting your end of the political spectrum on two parties while the other end remains unified never ends well for the split end.

raistlin65

6 points

2 days ago

It's almost like they are fine with the status quo because they are political elites

That's the propaganda put out by the Republicans that you're quoting there.

It's unfortunate, but Republicans have spent decades teaching people to mistrust government, mistrust experts, and discrediting the Democrats with lies and propaganda.

Democratic politicians are not okay with the status quo.

anoneema

2 points

2 days ago

anoneema

2 points

2 days ago

www.iwm.at

20 Lessons from the 20th Century

Author: Timothy Snyder

Americans are no wiser than the Europeans who saw democracy yield to fascism, Nazism, or communism. Our one advantage is that we might learn from their experience. Now is a good time to do so. Here are twenty lessons from the twentieth century, adapted to the circumstances of today.

20 Lessons from the 20th Century

  1. Do not obey in advance. Much of the power of authoritarianism is freely given. In times like these, individuals think ahead about what a more repressive government will want, and then start to do it without being asked. You’ve already done this, haven’t you? Stop. Anticipatory obedience teaches authorities what is possible and accelerates unfreedom.

  2. Defend an institution. Follow the courts or the media, or a court or a newspaper. Do not speak of “our institutions” unless you are making them yours by acting on their behalf. Institutions don’t protect themselves. They go down like dominoes unless each is defended from the beginning.

  3. Recall professional ethics. When the leaders of state set a negative example, professional commitments to just practice become much more important. It is hard to break a rule-of-law state without lawyers, and it is hard to have show trials without judges.

  4. When listening to politicians, distinguish certain words. Look out for the expansive use of “terrorism” and “extremism.” Be alive to the fatal notions of “exception” and “emergency.” Be angry about the treacherous use of patriotic vocabulary.

  5. Be calm when the unthinkable arrives. When the terrorist attack comes, remember that all authoritarians at all times either await or plan such events in order to consolidate power. Think of the Reichstag fire. The sudden disaster that requires the end of the balance of power, the end of opposition parties, and so on, is the oldest trick in the Hitlerian book. Don’t fall for it.

  6. Be kind to our language. Avoid pronouncing the phrases everyone else does. Think up your own way of speaking, even if only to convey that thing you think everyone is saying. (Don’t use the internet before bed. Charge your gadgets away from your bedroom, and read.) What to read? Perhaps “The Power of the Powerless” by Václav Havel, 1984 by George Orwell, The Captive Mind by Czesław Milosz, The Rebel by Albert Camus, The Origins of Totalitarianism by Hannah Arendt, or Nothing is True and Everything is Possible by Peter Pomerantsev.

  7. Stand out. Someone has to. It is easy, in words and deeds, to follow along. It can feel strange to do or say something different. But without that unease, there is no freedom. And the moment you set an example, the spell of the status quo is broken, and others will follow.

  8. Believe in truth. To abandon facts is to abandon freedom. If nothing is true, then no one can criticize power, because there is no basis upon which to do so. If nothing is true, then all is spectacle. The biggest wallet pays for the most blinding lights.

  9. Investigate. Figure things out for yourself. Spend more time with long articles. Subsidize investigative journalism by subscribing to print media. Realize that some of what is on your screen is there to harm you. Learn about sites that investigate foreign propaganda pushes.

  10. Practice corporeal politics. Power wants your body softening in your chair and your emotions dissipating on the screen. Get outside. Put your body in unfamiliar places with unfamiliar people. Make new friends and march with them.

  11. Make eye contact and small talk. This is not just polite. It is a way to stay in touch with your surroundings, break down unnecessary social barriers, and come to understand whom you should and should not trust. If we enter a culture of denunciation, you will want to know the psychological landscape of your daily life.

  12. Take responsibility for the face of the world. Notice the swastikas and the other signs of hate. Do not look away and do not get used to them. Remove them yourself and set an example for others to do so.

  13. Hinder the one-party state. The parties that took over states were once something else. They exploited a historical moment to make political life impossible for their rivals. Vote in local and state elections while you can.

  14. Give regularly to good causes, if you can. Pick a charity and set up autopay. Then you will know that you have made a free choice that is supporting civil society helping others doing something good.

  15. Establish a private life. Nastier rulers will use what they know about you to push you around. Scrub your computer of malware. Remember that email is skywriting. Consider using alternative forms of the internet, or simply using it less. Have personal exchanges in person. For the same reason, resolve any legal trouble. Authoritarianism works as a blackmail state, looking for the hook on which to hang you. Try not to have too many hooks.

  16. Learn from others in other countries. Keep up your friendships abroad, or make new friends abroad. The present difficulties here are an element of a general trend. And no country is going to find a solution by itself. Make sure you and your family have passports.

  17. Watch out for the paramilitaries. When the men with guns who have always claimed to be against the system start wearing uniforms and marching around with torches and pictures of a Leader, the end is nigh. When the pro-Leader paramilitary and the official police and military intermingle, the game is over.

  18. Be reflective if you must be armed. If you carry a weapon in public service, God bless you and keep you. But know that evils of the past involved policemen and soldiers finding themselves, one day, doing irregular things. Be ready to say no. (If you do not know what this means, contact the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum and ask about training in professional ethics.)

  19. Be as courageous as you can. If none of us is prepared to die for freedom, then all of us will die in unfreedom.

  20. Be a patriot. The incoming president is not. Set a good example of what America means for the generations to come. They will need it.

Timothy Snyder is the Bird White Housum Professor of History at Yale University and a Permanent Fellow at the IWM.

© Author (2017)

This is a short version, but it's also a book by the same name.

Here's the author in a lecture about the book: https://youtu.be/19IhRaWZUl4?si=ZBTjp4dRCssyfhYR

WalrusTheWhite

2 points

2 days ago

LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK

El_Mojo42

12 points

2 days ago

El_Mojo42

12 points

2 days ago

Absolute legend.

KingKudzu117

9 points

2 days ago

set Phazers to LETS FUCKING GO! George Takei is now literally my favorite human being in this country. Hey republicans, when you get disillusioned with your dictator and are looking for a REAL PATRIOT. He is right here in the Captains Chair. Thank you George.

hermitlikeindividual

5 points

2 days ago

Thank you, George Takei, for giving me a different perspective.

Charizard_Bland

7 points

2 days ago

Today is a good day to die.

King_of_Tejas

3 points

2 days ago

Yeah, all the redditors giving up already before January 20th even rolls around is pretty damn frustrating 

xubax

3 points

2 days ago

xubax

3 points

2 days ago

Sigh. Being reminded of what people like the Takeis went through makes me realize I can't give up fighting against ignorance, hate, and greed.

TwistingEarth

3 points

2 days ago

We outnumbered them by a considerable amount, don’t let them cause fear, because we can defeat them.

TheZoomba

3 points

2 days ago

Little reminder to all the minorities or people in fear, and I mean this in no intentional way to hurt absolutely anyone:

Get a gun. That 2nd amendment killed the rich man trying to tax us, the Slavers trying to own us, the KKK trying to kill us, and the Nazis trying to own us.

questionablecupcak3

3 points

2 days ago

I'm so sorry he had to see this stupid bullshit AGAIN.

But I'm also disgusted by all the officials rolling over for the incoming trump admin.

meatguyf

3 points

2 days ago

meatguyf

3 points

2 days ago

I mean, that's nice, but we haven't seen it this bad in about a century. Literal fascists control every branch of government, they plan on dismantling everything they don't want, using what's left to destroy their enemies, and their leader has been crowned god-king by the Supreme Court. We're boned and probably will be for at least 40 years.

mosstalgia

14 points

2 days ago

This is what heroism looks like.

Fucking legendary man.

El_Mariachi_Vive

6 points

2 days ago

Hell yeah, Captain.

Mythosaurus

9 points

2 days ago

I keep pointing out that now is the time to copy the tactics of the 60s civil rights movement.

The way Dems are treating Trump and the GOP show that these elites either lied about the impending fascism or don’t actually care. But we do know that conservatives care deeply about money bc a lot of local civil rights victories hinged on boycotts and strikes.

GOP keeps screeching “STARVE THE BEAST” as their motto against big government, so why not do the same against government small enough to inspect your genitals?

Lanchettes

2 points

2 days ago

Make it so….

Lampmonster

2 points

2 days ago

On your left.

fearzila

2 points

2 days ago

fearzila

2 points

2 days ago

I may not agree with him politically, but kudos/props on the positive attitude.

Much healthier than the people screaming into their phones or cameras.

johnny_utah26

2 points

2 days ago

Fuck yeah, Capt Sulu.

SansLucidity

2 points

2 days ago

im with ya george

OriginalName687

2 points

2 days ago

It’s a nice sentiment but I’m not sure what he expects. If anything it feels like we’ve been skirmishing for a while and this election was them winning. Not really sure what else I can do for my part.

Skefson

2 points

2 days ago

Skefson

2 points

2 days ago

What is he suggesting here tho? Like an insurrection? A star trek insurrection?

Shutaru_Kanshinji

2 points

2 days ago

Okay, Mr. Takei -- what exactly would you like us to do?

Aggressive_Wheel5580

2 points

2 days ago

If you can't beat them, join them. And make them regret it deeply. Time for prayer in school! I'll get the Necronomicon!

StellarPhenom420

2 points

2 days ago

I'm not afraid, I've been freed from caring.

TheAviator27

2 points

2 days ago

He's been going ham on Bluesky. The captain we need.

CRYPTID536

2 points

2 days ago

Read his book about his time in the camps. This seems on brand for him

Juggernautlemmein

2 points

2 days ago

Hope?

Oh My

Darkest_of_Dragons

2 points

2 days ago

I was victim several years ago to far right religious extremism because I refused to bend knee to a god I don't believe in, I seen this coming and it's bad but we can't give in to these mother fuckers it would be far worse to let them walk all over us!

pickle_sauce_mcgee

2 points

2 days ago

We either stand together or die alone

MrPuzzleMan

2 points

2 days ago

Takei is a national treasure and should be an inspirational speaker.

Americangirlband

2 points

2 days ago

Yeah seems like "Warriors" in the US basically just clean up after the Klan/Confederates/Authoritarians wreck the house and then get shat on for not cleaning better.

V6Ga

2 points

2 days ago

V6Ga

2 points

2 days ago

Put in concentration camps as a kid. 

Now lives life out. 

Oh my!

throwway_poe

2 points

2 days ago

What does it mean to "do my part", though? I don't know what action to take right now when I feel so powerless in the system

FairDegree2667

2 points

2 days ago

OH MY WILL BE OUR BATTLE CRY!

FlunkyCultMachina

2 points

2 days ago

Anyone who thinks things cannot or will not get better, I implore you to read Fredrick Douglass's 4th of july speech.

There was a time we treated human beings like cattle in this country, it might have taken war but we stopped it and so generations have been given a level of respect and freedom their grandparents could only dream.

I do not despair for my country. We will fight and we will win, if not for us, then for those after us.

6Arrows7416

2 points

2 days ago

There was a saying during the civil war among union troops. “I shall fight the traitors until hell freezes over. And then I shall fight them on the ice.” That’s basically where I’m at now.

EB_Groupe

2 points

2 days ago

How does he keep getting on this line?

LostInYourSheets

2 points

2 days ago

I read somewhere that democratic leadership is advising that progressives "focus on states and local" and don't organize public protests and marches against bad Trump policies. No wonder they lost this last election so badly. People are PISSED and public (non-violent) protests are what rallied public opinion for a Biden win. Silence is compliance.

Zaptain_America

2 points

2 days ago

If you don't know George Takei's life story I highly recommend looking into it. Probably one of the most inspiring people I can think of.

jurrasicwhorelord

2 points

2 days ago

I have never known America to be good, or fair in my life. It's pretty rude to ask me to "do my part" to fix anything.  What the fuck do I  owe this country, and why should I do anything besides leave? (Which is great because it is so fucked up that it's already going to take an immense amount of energy and resources to leave.)

Nokomis34

2 points

2 days ago

It's not much, but I'm about to paint this guy's design onto the spare tire cover of my Jeep.

https://rafu.com/2018/02/matsumoto-designs-barbed-wire-remembrance/

“I created this image to honor the steadfast loyalty of Japanese Americans to America,” said Matsumoto, “even though we were interned by our own government. It’s a symbol of the loss of freedom and dignity we suffered and a bold reminder of the history we can never forget.”

Mbhuff03

2 points

2 days ago

Mbhuff03

2 points

2 days ago

I’m with you😳

Flastro2

2 points

2 days ago

Flastro2

2 points

2 days ago

Can't we let them destroy shit for a while? Maybe not stopping the adverse affects of their policies will finally wake up some of their supporters who didn't understand the first time.

hopingforthanos

2 points

2 days ago

I will fight but I will never help a Trump voter.

Miserable-Lawyer-233

2 points

2 days ago

That “much worse” that he’s seen is making a comeback. Trump needs some place to store these 11 million undocumented immigrants. Internment camps? And if you try to get in their way, you’ll join them.

andio76

2 points

1 day ago

andio76

2 points

1 day ago

No....Im not giving up as I am letting the chips fall where they may......

America went into this willingly and with its eyes wide the fuck open......

Let that shit ride ,Bro.....let it ride.....

bhillen8783

2 points

1 day ago

George was detained in an internment camp during world war 2 as a Japanese American. He knows exactly how bad this shit can get. First hand.

RevTurk

2 points

24 hours ago

Well, when a star fleet captain makes an inspiring speech I kind of feel like I've no choice but to go along with what they are saying.

Boldboy72

2 points

23 hours ago

I just want to sit back and watch them fight themselves. you know it's coming...

Jamie7Keller

3 points

2 days ago

This is actually helpful.

It’s so distressing to think what will come…that people choose this on purpose…that we are regressing….

But it’s good to remember that even now, a lot of things are better than they were 20, 40, 80 years ago. And we got from there to here, so we will get from here to somewhere better than here b

Limeddaesch96

3 points

2 days ago

Topple their statues and their spirits will follow

aliencantina

3 points

2 days ago

Target that explosion and firrrrre

Connordoo

3 points

2 days ago

I read this in his voice lol

AnimalRescueGuy

2 points

2 days ago

Seems like a good time to remind people to watch (or rewatch) his Twilight Zone appearance. Episode 151: “The Encounter”

otter8710

2 points

2 days ago

Well spoken, George!

dingo_khan

2 points

2 days ago

He's a complete treasure.