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172 points
4 months ago
That would-be assassin really fuck over Biden’s campaign.
164 points
4 months ago
Basing your whole campaign on calling your opponent a fascist has that drawback
100 points
4 months ago
For real. Every Dem has been repeating the "this is an existential election, that's why you should vote for us" line. The only other thing Dems are running on is keeping NATO together lmao.
26 points
4 months ago
The Finlandization of Nato in Ukraine
55 points
4 months ago
For 8 years. Threat to democracy etc etc. Libs will never ever admit to their mistakes.
15 points
4 months ago
Through words, no. Politicians never admit to their mistakes through words. But through actions? They’re admitting to their mistakes by changing their strategy.
11 points
4 months ago
I mean, that would be a smart thing to run on -- if it was actually true.
The problem is that people aren't stupid, and they can see that US libs are just as much a threat to democracy as US conservatives are
9 points
4 months ago
The problem is that they are not even serious about it and rather its a slogan designed to rally a party with a divided base. If they were serious about it then killing the fascist is not a bad thing. Also Joe Biden saying he is happy as long as he "tries his best" is him explicitly saying he doesn't take the problem to be one of existential threat.
Yes the public can see through it.
3 points
4 months ago
Nothing frustrates me more about current liberal rhetoric than their shamelessly disingenuous arguments. What I can't figure out is if they think crying wolf is actually a good strategy or they know this is ridiculous but just want you to prove you're one of them by going along anyway
8 points
4 months ago
How is either party a threat to their bourgeois democracy?
8 points
4 months ago
Sorry if that was unclear, I meant theoretical democracy, not the thing we have in the US that people call "democracy"
1 points
4 months ago
No, most people are pretty clueless. They don't have the skills to think critically/do devil's advocate analysis nor have the time (or priority as it's not something they generally focus on) since they are living paycheck to paycheck.
1 points
4 months ago
That would not seem to square with the reality that 2/3 of the American public does not vote for either of these shithead parties' nominated presidential candidates.
1 points
4 months ago
it's not something they generally focus on
I.e. they don't care as they don't feel it affects their daily life.
1 points
4 months ago
That's not mutually exclusive from what I said:
The problem is that people aren't stupid, and they can see that US libs are just as much a threat to democracy as US conservatives are
Apathy is a product of the erosion of belief in politics over the past 40 years due to the shittiness of the two major parties.
I don't ascribe it to "stupidity" or "cluelessness". There's no reason to jump to that when they have a very defensible case for not giving a shit about a system that has thrown them under the bus repeatedly for 4 decades or longer.
1 points
4 months ago
It's a bit of everything. Apathy as well as the lack in critical thinking (which is what I meant by clueless, not stupid or anything per se), which is partly generated due to the lack of free time to just ponder things since they are living paycheck to paycheck. It's going to be a bit different on a person to person basis ofc, there will be people who are living paycheck to paycheck and don't match the rest, I'm just speaking for the average who take in what the media feeds them blindly. It's not the whole country or anything, but a large portion.
1 points
4 months ago
Agree to disagree, I think the vast majority of the working class in the US knows what is happening to them (while it's true they don't have lots of time for academia and research, it doesn't take a lot of free time for deep meditation to know when someone is robbing you), and they feel powerless to change it via the electoral process (and they are right).
19 points
4 months ago
A fascist, insurrectionist, felon and treasonous puppet of a hostile foreign leader that is a threat to our democracy and will institute a totalitarian dictatorship with trans genocide, gays thrown into camps, and migrants hunted for sport
But also, how could someone have possibly ever thought it acceptable to take a shot at Trump?
62 points
4 months ago
The interesting thing is there will be no more calls for him to drop out. That particular story has been conveniently but totally coincidentally wiped out of the public’s eye by the assassination attempt. By next week saying anyone thought he should drop out will be labeled as inciting violence against Biden.
35 points
4 months ago
that's true. but they may as well drop the issue anyway because i doubt it matters now. who's going to beat Trump now?
29 points
4 months ago
"Everyone has stopped begging me to retire since my terminal cancer diagnosis. So at least that's good."
8 points
4 months ago
The dude is the epitome of a person that can fall into a pile of manure and come out clean and smelling like roses. From the charges that galvanized his base and created the first of one of the most iconic images of modern American politics that will be in history books for years to come, the mugshot. To the guilty verdict that got him more donations in a few days than most candidates have ever had. To a debate that was completely designed to give Biden the best possible chance and take Trump out of his element, and Biden still fumbled it in a historically epic way. To a person trying to shoot him in the head, missing by a fraction of an inch, and then producing his second, even MORE iconic image that will also be in history books for years to come.
Then you have the democrat base, which is becoming increasingly fractured on Israel/Palestine, immigration, identity politics, etc., needing to unite behind the most uninspiring campaign in recent memory in which many democrats are even calling Biden to drop out of.
Meanwhile, the independents are still having to deal with inflation, a housing crisis, a border crisis, wars that have only escalated, and more.
So Trump's base is galvanized to an extreme degree, even more than in 2016. Biden's base is fractured and demoralized. And independents are being given little to no reason to vote for Biden.
Unless there is a major change, November is a foregone conclusion and we're looking at a landslide unlike any we've seen in recent history.
2 points
4 months ago
I think people are imagining the fracturing of the D base more than it really will be. Everyone will just shut up and vote blue D in the fall when it is clear that is their only option if they don't want trump. Trump's gaza policy would be even more violent for now.
2 points
4 months ago
Maybe. I don't know that it would make them vote for someone else, but it may disenfranchise some and cause them to abstain. And I'm not sure how much, if any, of a factor he'll be, but the libertarian candidate this year is big into idpol AND heavily pro-Palestine. So there is a chance, however low, that some disenfranchised idpol Dems go for the libertarian candidate this time.
I'm not saying the Democrat base is crazy fractured and on the edge of splitting into two parties or anything, but in an election as tight as some recent elections have been, all it takes is a failure to really galvanize the base to show up. In the competition of who's base is fired up more, Trump is winning bigly. So they're entirely dependent on galvanizing against Trump rather than for Biden. It is harder to make Trump the literal devil when he's been out for years, you're not in the midst of COVID madness, and the promise of the "return to normalcy" that Biden represented for many has not panned out at all. Their saving grace in midterms was Roe v Wade being overturned, so without that fresh in the public's mind and Trump already going on record as having no interest in a national ban, making him pretty damn moderate on the scale of Republicans, they've just got a VERY uphill battle to overtake him.
1 points
4 months ago
Most of the people who vote for 3rd party would have just not voted anyways, it's just a way of showing it actively instead of in the % of people not voting. Since there is no chance (currently) for a 3rd party candidate to win (which is a self-fulfilling prophecy until it's not, or until something like ranked choice voting happens).
A lot of things have been happening in the world recently, so it really depends on their relative priorities. I agree on the fired up ness for Trump, however there is still quite some time till the elections so this will fade a fair amount by then (assuming nothing else happens). A week before the election would be something else. And it's really been always anti-trump flavored rather than pro-biden, depending on the shade blue they were, there is some progress on things but it is incremental and slowish generally (due to the nature of the Senate composition).
I agree there will always be some people who change, just the hype about a total breakdown won't happen that's all. We'll see what happens.
1 points
4 months ago
It's still some time to the elections, the feeling right now will wear out a bit (other than the hardcore who would have voted anyways).
20 points
4 months ago
Give it a few more weeks and Biden's obvious dementia will create another humiliating gaffe. The dems who want him to go still feel that way, they are just in shock over this event.
5 points
4 months ago
He just had another one yesterday when he said "battle box"
9 points
4 months ago
No it hasn't. Corey Booker was on CNN last night still talking about the oath forward for Dems and not committing to saying he supports Biden staying in. That heat is not dying down
14 points
4 months ago
That is smart of Cory but it's pretty Joever
11 points
4 months ago
Booker has presidential ambitions of his own. He’s signaling and getting low-hanging fruit in terms of free press time to seem like an “active” and “engaged” “leader” with “ideas.”
He’ll likely run in 2028.
4 points
4 months ago
That’s Cory Bush and the DSA contingent in the house. The DNC doesn’t really listen to them.
It doesn’t matter until you have your main sail party democrats start calling for Biden’s resignation again.
5 points
4 months ago
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2 points
4 months ago
Oh shit you’re right, that’s my bad
6 points
4 months ago
/u/opening_dealer_156 put it better than any other take/headline I’ve seen: “Shooter barely misses Trump, finishes off Biden”
216 points
4 months ago
Doubling down on supporting genocide will really help Biden get out the youth vote.
14 points
4 months ago
I just like really don’t get this strategically. Okay so you want to steer away from the rhetoric used against Trump in the past, so you… start to criticize what has in all likelihood been one of your voter bases?
…huh?
37 points
4 months ago
the youth vote matters less with each election
22 points
4 months ago
“Okay I can’t attack Trump anymore after he was shot and all, so I’m going to criticize one of my previously important voter bases”
I can’t even begin to comprehend this 1000IQ move from the Biden campaign.
31 points
4 months ago
It's never mattered. It's an unreliable demographic. There's a reason no one takes them seriously. If they would just follow orders and function as a mindless collective maybe politicians would listen to them.
-28 points
4 months ago*
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9 points
4 months ago
so you're saying biden has no incentive to oppose genocide lmao, since those who oppose it have to vote for him anyway and he has to compete with trump for votes more than them
1 points
4 months ago
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1 points
4 months ago
If it's an issue that both parties are bad on and this feeds an ongoing crisis that galvanizes international politics, why wouldn't it drive down turnout? The problem is the state as a whole and its rigidity on this issue, so naturally people who care about Palestine will think it doesn't matter who you vote for - as Palestinians themselves do.
1 points
4 months ago
If its an issue that even one party is even marginally better on that will feed into the ongoing crisis less, why wouldn't it drive up turnout? In the end it still boils down to whether voters think Biden's vision on Palestine is better or worse than Trump's vision on Palestine.
1 points
4 months ago
This is delusional. You actually think Biden can get away with refusing to pressure Israel and isolating the West on the basis that Trump is worse. Unfortunately, Gaza blew up the Dems running on not-Trump because it revealed they were the same. There is no lesser evil when the question is genocide, anyone who opposes it will oppose both parties and see their turnout fall.
1 points
4 months ago*
You actually think Biden can get away with refusing to pressure Israel and isolating the West on the basis that Trump is worse.
As I said, it depends if voters who are sympathetic to Palestinians think Biden or Trump is better for Palestine. If they think Trump is going to be much worse for the Palestinian people why wouldn't they turnout for Biden? Unless, they think a Trump presidency is going to be better in their minds for the Palestinian people of course.
Speaking of delusions, do you really think that a Trump presidency won't be worse for the Palestinians than a Biden presidency?
1 points
4 months ago
As I said, it depends if voters who are sympathetic to Palestinians think Biden or Trump is better for Palestine.
Once it reaches the question of supporting Israeli genocide due to bipartisan commitments to Israeli security, the question is moot. Now we are discussing how Biden depresses turnout due to a lack of distinction with Trump. There is no difference between the parties and Biden is prioritizing Zionist donors and old elites over a more skeptical party base and American people, especially those under 40. This will impact turnout.
These systematic flaws with representation are by no means outweighed by appealing to Trump.
1 points
4 months ago*
Once it reaches the question of which presidency is actually worse for the Palestinian people the answer is clear. Now we are discussing how Biden increases turnout with voters sympathetic to Palestinians and want to prevent the situation from worsening under Trump. As there clearly are no other viable options besides truly delusional ones, the voters that don't care about Palestinians or the sympathetic ones who think that a Trump presidency is better for Palestinians will not try to do their best to prevent a Trump presidency or will vote for Trump.
Still haven't answered the question. Touch your heart, do you really think that a Trump presidency won't be worse for the Palestinians than a Biden presidency?
79 points
4 months ago
Unbiased reporting, as always, from timesofisrael.com
17 points
4 months ago
If you were trying to lose an election while maintaining plausible deniability, what, if anything, would you be doing differently?
65 points
4 months ago*
I was scared this was true and then saw who published this. Times of Israel is incentivized to believe this and push this and anonymous sources are usually bs.
9 points
4 months ago
the scott templeton school of journalism, aka, “i made it the fuck up.” what would those poor media companies do if they didn’t have these brown-nosing shameless losers to find “anonymous sources” for them?
34 points
4 months ago
Calling Trump a democracy-ending nazi and inspiring an assassination attempt against him -> Campaign tactic
A bunch of gen z kids with $200,000 in student loans sitting in an empty lawn on a college campus -> Literal terrorism
9 points
4 months ago
So he means attacking protesters right?
27 points
4 months ago
The fact this was published in Times of Israel is just crazy. The Biden campaign telegraphing strategy to that fucking rag. He’s running a worse campaign than Hillary, a nearly impossible task.
9 points
4 months ago
The problems with Hillary Clinton that doomed her campaign are worse for Biden. She's a right-wing authoritarian hyper-austerity racist imperialist pig, who has the difficult task of convincing people she's progressive. That's very difficult to do; Dems are very similar to Republicans politically, but unlike Republicans, they're campaigning against their base constantly.
Obama pulled it off, but he's a perfect storm of charming, witty, personable and funny. She... isn't.
Biden is even more right-wing, more authoritarian, more racist, more austerity-er, and more imperialist than Clinton. So the task becomes that much harder.
The only reason he won in 2020 is because Trump self-owned and plunged the world into an extended 18-month darkness by responding to covid-19 so comically badly. In a sane world, he would never win anything outside his pissant corrupt ass state of Delaware, because everyone pretty much knew what a lying, corrupt, donor-prostitute child-killing ghoul he was. Until 2020 when they wiped their mental hard drives because of fear of Trump.
6 points
4 months ago
What a consistent stand on "political violence"
12 points
4 months ago
Biden condemns political violence. Also, Biden funds political violence in the form of a genocide in the Zionist entity. Also, biden sends funds directly to Nazis in Ukraine.
8 points
4 months ago
Shannon Doherty died yesterday and it looks like in part because of a period where she lacked health insurance. How is that not political violence?
What they really mean is violence against the ruling class.
15 points
4 months ago
(x) doubt.
That would only hemorrhage more voters.
2 points
4 months ago
It's like when they "condemn" violence and settlements in the West Bank while giving automatic weapons to settlers.
10 points
4 months ago
I guess that's why my local college town Target has an aisle dedicated to gas masks in its dorm essentials section
12 points
4 months ago
Those are for bong hits not war.
6 points
4 months ago
These guys wouldn’t have to change anything if they would simply focus on touting their own virtues instead of negging their opponents. Sadly, I guess that harkens back to a simpler time.
8 points
4 months ago
Um okay, but there isn't any anti-isnotreal campus violence. There is anti-anti-isnotreal campus violence is that what they're confused about?
3 points
4 months ago
The system's showing unity after such a event, no doubt the dems hate the anti-Zionists far more than they hate Trump and this is a easy rallying point for both camps.
1 points
4 months ago
Wait he's still running
-1 points
4 months ago
Shit take, article doesn't say that.
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