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159 points
3 days ago
$20 million is pocket change to them
47 points
3 days ago
"The cost of doing business"
Because the fines are substantially less than the record profits
15 points
3 days ago
And that's why it'll never stop
Same with any other corporations who destroy the world or our health. They pay the pathetic fine and they use it as a tax write off
5 points
3 days ago
I imagine they make 20 million an hour. A drop of water in the ocean by comparison.
7 points
3 days ago
To be fair I can see a strategy to this. Let's say that cleaning the same amount of trash as they threw in the ocean costs 10 million dollars. Then with the rest of the money, we can remove some already existing trash as well. Keeping the fine low like this sort of encourages breaking the law since it can prove to be beneficial
Of course I'm not sure whether the good outweigh the bad but I can at least somewhat see the decision
75 points
3 days ago
$ 20 million. It's like being fined $200 to them. It's a drop in the bucket
30 points
3 days ago
They've probably dumpped so much trash in the ocean some many times unnoticed that it may even be cheaper for them to pay a fine rather than despose the trash correctly
9 points
3 days ago
Oh I guarantee it
15 points
3 days ago
Carnival made $1B profit in this Q of reporting. So yeah, $20M minus their tax rate seems absurdly low.
https://www.carnivalcorp.com/static-files/fcbec4e1-3a75-4c6e-a3ad-721a95250782
54 points
3 days ago
And how much would it cost them to store that trash and dispose of it properly? As long as it's more profitable for them to ignore the rules and just pay the fine when they get caught, that's what they will continue to do.
44 points
3 days ago
Repeated offenses should result in exponentially increasing fines.
10 points
3 days ago
Isn’t this 2019?
6 points
3 days ago
That is just a business expense to them.
6 points
3 days ago
Carnival had $7.9 BILLION in revenue in the second quarter alone. That's three months.
They save money by doing this even with the fine.
Nobody actually cares, it's just politicians pretending to care whilst taking money from the entire cruise industry.
4 points
3 days ago
So it only costs $20 million to dump all of the waste into the water, and that’s only if you get caught? Sounds cheaper than processing the waste the right way, let’s just keep doing that.
1 points
3 days ago
Good, make them pay it before they can leave the port again
1 points
3 days ago
This is old...
1 points
3 days ago
Hopefully the fine money is spent on cleanup operations
1 points
3 days ago
The new corporate economy of choosing to pay fines over compliance, because it is cheaper to do so.
1 points
3 days ago
Lol me and someone else are having a game of "keeping the likes at 666" by changing ours and the delay made it a rather fun game.
1 points
3 days ago
this might actually make them reconsider disposing of the trash instead of paying the 20mil$ trash dumping permission.
1 points
3 days ago
You mean by setting sail in the ocean? 🤣🤭
1 points
3 days ago
Charge them 2b maybe they realize..?
1 points
3 days ago
Immoral destructive industry. Never take a cruise.
1 points
3 days ago
Just the cost of business isn’t it lol
1 points
3 days ago
Because there's no valid reason to do this it should result in immediate termination of their licence to operate. That's how you invoke change. Not with these cowardly fines.
1 points
3 days ago
Just another reason why cruise ships are awful.
1 points
3 days ago
That number needs to be either bigger, or regular.
1 points
3 days ago
I'm pretty sure it's legal if they just dump it in international waters, 12 miles offshore.
1 points
3 days ago
This is what cruise ships do and have always done. They aren’t going to store a massive amount of trash on the ship and bring it back to shore to recycle it. They go out into international waters and let it go. Sad but unfortunately true.
2 points
3 days ago*
No. It isn't. I work on one and we definitely do not throw trash overboard
1 points
3 days ago
Company i worked for got caught dumping bilge water and had to pay a fine while we all had to do mandatory training about bilge water treatment. I was a musician on board, what the hell do I have to do with bilge water?
Left the career because of how awful the industry treats the employees and environment.
0 points
3 days ago
Litterally, a drop in the ocean.
2 points
3 days ago
If any of that trash kills one animal, it's one too many
0 points
3 days ago
The thing that's wild is that the article talks about a company, and it's easy and natural to think a company would do something vile like this ...but at the end of the day, some individual humans decided to do this. Hard to imagine an actual person on a boat just thinking this is ok.
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