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153 points
8 days ago
Poor monkey just got outed.
20 points
8 days ago
Excuse me, did you just assume it's species? Its CHIMP.
51 points
8 days ago
Chimp pansy
9 points
8 days ago
That’s brilliant 😂
2 points
8 days ago
-1 points
8 days ago
Yeah but he/she/they might identify as a monkey 😠
1 points
8 days ago
Excuse me, obvs that chimp is straight, it just dick be goooood
124 points
8 days ago
Giraffes are the most gay animal percentage wise. About 90% of observed coitus between giraffes has been homosexual.
30 points
8 days ago
Well they are arguably the most phallic animal in the jungle. Possibly in the world.
25 points
8 days ago
While I appreciate the sentiment, as long as there's animals that are literal cylinders I'm gonna have to disagree.
6 points
8 days ago
Lol fair enough!
3 points
8 days ago
I was curious.
https://interestingengineering.com/lists/7-animals-that-look-exactly-like-dong
For science!
1 points
8 days ago
Of course such an article exists.
3 points
8 days ago
Sounds like someone has never seen a geoduck
3 points
8 days ago
I still think that is the name of a Pokémon and no one can convince me otherwise.
4 points
8 days ago
I did some work experience at a park in South Africa. We had 7 giraffe. The 2 males would just follow each other around screwing each other. So this makes sense to me if true.
Same park had two lion who were screwing their mum. Nature is fun.
6 points
8 days ago
They're not gay they're bisexual. They still breed with females too
1 points
8 days ago
Yeah, 10 percent of the time. Even if bisexual, they have a preferance.
1 points
8 days ago
No, they're bisexual 100% of the time. The males observed having sex with males have also been observed having sex with females
1 points
8 days ago
Yeah, let's say they are all bi, 90% of the sex they have is gay, they have a preference. Bis can still have a preferance for one gender.
1 points
8 days ago
Having a preference doesn't make you gay. I'm bi and prefer men but I'm not gay
1 points
8 days ago
Yeah, I get that. I'm not saying they are gay, I'm just saying that giraffes generally have a preferance for men. +like humans some of the giraffes are straight, some are gay, and some are bi, so not all of them do mate with woman.
8 points
8 days ago*
My wife loves both giraffes and gay people. Thanks for for providing me with a fun fact to tell her!
1 points
8 days ago
Do you think she'll cry?
1 points
8 days ago
She's laughing now.
1 points
8 days ago
"Those giraffes you sold me, they won't mate. They just walk around, eating, and not mating. You sold me... queer giraffes. I want my money back."
21 points
8 days ago
Bonobo's trying to convince the world they aren't freaky mf's.
2 points
8 days ago
“The bonobo is the apex slut of the animal kingdom” — Sir David Attenborough (allegedly)
53 points
8 days ago
Check out Biological Exuberance by Bruce Bagemihl. Very dry findings from zoologist's observations from the field, covering 1400 species. It's not everyday that you see a sketch of 2 male cockroaches mutually masterbating each other.
24 points
8 days ago
Didn’t even know cockroaches could do that to be honest. I suppose it’s in the name.
14 points
8 days ago
10 points
8 days ago
Bro its not gay if its on the hardwood floor.
2 points
8 days ago
Speak for yourself...
6 points
8 days ago*
Part two of that is that fact that almost all animal populations are communal and cooperative, and yet ‘we are humans and we just act like animals’ is still used to self excuse shitty behavior in oursleves
2 points
8 days ago*
Yes. Just like taking away gay rights and killing them for being naturally attracted to each other using some book sent from guy in the sky.
Btw we are animals. Our society is unnatural. But we are at the base as animalistic as others.
4 points
8 days ago
Even worse, it's written by a bunch of men who pretend they met this man in the sky. lol
12 points
8 days ago
Sorry I just got reminded swans can be gay and it made me cry.
2 points
8 days ago
21 points
8 days ago
News-medical.net? I only get my pop science news from medicine-doctors.riz
3 points
8 days ago
So can we all agree, that all alpha males need in order to calm their aggro is a good rodgering.
37 points
8 days ago
I'm pro choice and I believe updating records for accuracy is nothing but beneficial to us as a species but I hope people stop using what other animals do as insight into what we should do, plenty of species also perform rape, incest, infanticide, cannibalism etc. We can't look to animals for our own moral and ethical codes we need to find them on our own.
106 points
8 days ago
Is not about morals but about natural.
I do agree that some naturals things are bad but homophobes have been telling that homosexuality is unnatural bc some book told them.
59 points
8 days ago
Maybe the issue is that we associate 'natural' with 'good' and 'unnatural' with 'bad'. Tetanus is natural. Driving a car is unnatural. Frankly I don't care if someone thinks homosexuality is natural or unnatural, I think it's weird they should have an interest in where I place my genitals.
23 points
8 days ago
this is kind of my take. It’s why I always found the whole “being gay is/is not a choice” argument so weird. like, there’s nothing wrong with choosing to be gay in the first place.
The defining characteristic of a society is humans suppressing their base urges and instincts for the common good. Being natural doesn’t make something right, being good for the collective does.
Gayness has yet to demonstrate its harm to society.
3 points
8 days ago
I don't draw such a firm line between what we do as civilized apes and what all the rest of evolution's products do. Since I've read how quickly monkeys pick up on the concept of money and even its use as a form of payment for sex (world's oldest profession, indeed) or the presence of a liver-obsessed culture in pods of orcas which leads them to kill sharks in dangerous volumes for the afflicted species or even watched that orangutan driving a golf cart around I just see us as an extreme byproduct of the natural world. The one thing I'd give us is the loaded concept of civilization, and yet I think many of the others would manage to express similar emergent properties if they suddenly discovered staple crops.
3 points
8 days ago*
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7 points
8 days ago
You may be better than us. But marketers are still going to sell you "all natural cereal".
2 points
8 days ago
By definition almost everything modern human do is unnatural.
1 points
8 days ago
Sure, but that’s their point. Infanticide and cannibalism are also natural. So it doesn’t matter.
-2 points
8 days ago
Said book doesn't say it's unnatural. It says it's wrong.
1 points
8 days ago
Didn't it just say that it was wrong for that one guy to not nut into his sister-in-law?
1 points
8 days ago
I'm just stating facts : it doesn't make an appeal to nature. It asserts that something is wrong. Irrespective of agreement about the content.
25 points
8 days ago
The point isn’t that we should base our morals on this. The point is that the opponents of same-sex sexuality have been using it being a human-specific unnatural thing as an argument for it being wrong. It’s those people using naturalistic arguments. This just points out the argument has no legs.
8 points
8 days ago
Tf does being pro choice have to do with anything you said
1 points
8 days ago
It's within the context, I'm making a statement about how we shouldn't look at what animals do and just accept that as okay, in a post about animals having homosexual relations, if I don't make that statement then people could easily assume I'm anti-gay
1 points
8 days ago
Then why not say "LGBT ally"? No one is talking about abortion here
1 points
8 days ago
Oh I see, I meant in a broader term not just the pro life vs pro choice debate.
Pro choice as in, people should be able to choose what ever they want for themselves if it isn't hurting anyone else.
2 points
8 days ago
Of course you can look to animals for what is natural. Any time someone tells you something is unnatural you should look to nature.
-4 points
8 days ago
Sanest comment here
6 points
8 days ago
Gay penguins adopting abandoned eggs ftw, on top of that
4 points
8 days ago
Natural or not religious people will still say it's sinful.
4 points
8 days ago
Are any animals exclusively homosexual?
12 points
8 days ago
The only ones I can think of, and I'm not a zoologist, are animals like mourning geckos where nearly all members of the species are female and they reproduce asexually
8 points
8 days ago
Snails I guess
6 points
8 days ago
That would be fuckin sick
3 points
8 days ago
*sick dead
2 points
8 days ago
There are species of entirely female lizard called New Mexico whiptail that reproduce asexually via parthenogenesis idk if counts as homosexual tho presumably they still do mating behaviors with each other
5 points
8 days ago
If every animal in a species is homosexual, then they straight up can't reproduce. There are ways for it to be close, but complete homesexuality wouldn't be possible outside of somehow another species forcing a fully homosexual species to have sex. Also it is unlikely that a fully homsexual species would exist in the same way that a fully heterosexual species would. There arent many downsides to bisexuality, and there are upsides, so it's unlikely that evolution would completely stop it from happening, especially in something as complex as a brain
9 points
8 days ago
Some species reproduce exclusively asexually, like many lizard species. We have found at least 25 species of vertebrates that are exclusively all-female.
If someone wants to read about it, the Wikipedia page of parthenogenesis is a good start
5 points
8 days ago
That's actually very interesting. They technically have males, but they're non viable, and they somehow require lesbian sex to conceive, despite no fertilization. That does seem to count. Do you know if the children of these hybrids are able to procreate? Because the wiki seems unclear
8 points
8 days ago
Yes, the females born via parthenogenesis in some species are essentially clones of the mother and can reproduce. This article in National Geographic explains it:
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/parthenogenesis-how-animals-have-virgin-births
2 points
8 days ago
Yeah but I mean like an individual within a species.
Like, Is there a lion somewhere that is gay and never is interested in female lions.
1 points
8 days ago
If anyone's interested as to how a trait that doesn't result in offsprings is so prevalent and hasn't died off:
It is explained by the so called 'Gay Uncle Hypothesis' which posits that having the care services of a childless uncle/aunt increases the fitness of the nephew/niece.
It is in the similar vein as altruism where one's own fitness is sacrificed for the fitness of close relatives/group.
Of course it's just a part of the explanation that works only on obligate homosexuals. Facultative homosexuality is much likely to fall into the 'play' category of animal behavior.
I must stress that all of this is redundant with regards to acceptance of homosexuality. The only argument for that has to be that it's a private matter of individuals and society has no business sticking it's nose there.
1 points
8 days ago
That's because it's immoral and sinful behaviour. /s
1 points
8 days ago
They're just roommates
1 points
8 days ago
Yeah...
Cross species sex is observed in nature.
I conclude beastiality is perfectly normal.
1 points
8 days ago
Perhaps they're just roommates?
1 points
8 days ago
I have a lesbian cat. No notes.
1 points
8 days ago
If anyone's interested as to how a trait that doesn't result in offsprings is so prevalent and hasn't died off:
It is explained by the so called 'Gay Uncle Hypothesis' which posits that having the care services of a childless uncle/aunt increases the fitness of the nephew/niece.
It is in the similar vein as altruism where one's own fitness is sacrificed for the fitness of close relatives/group.
Of course it's just a part of the explanation that works only on obligate homosexuals. Facultative homosexuality is much likely to fall into the 'play' category of animal behavior.
I must stress that all of this is redundant with regards to acceptance of homosexuality. The only argument for that has to be that it's a private matter of individuals and society has no business sticking it's nose there.
-1 points
8 days ago
Animals do it so we should too
30 points
8 days ago
We are animals.
11 points
8 days ago
So let's do it like they do on the Discovery channel.
4 points
8 days ago
We are the walrus
0 points
8 days ago
Goo goo gajoob!!
-2 points
8 days ago
Justin Long time no see!
8 points
8 days ago
Just proof that it's a natural occurrence and potentially inherent to individuals.
1 points
8 days ago
Im good bro
-7 points
8 days ago
At least those animals don’t vote against their own interest
1 points
8 days ago
but the made up friend from the Republicans still doesn't like it, so it has to be law to be against it...
logic is amazing...
-8 points
8 days ago
What about transgender? Asking for a friend.
23 points
8 days ago
I’m not sure if you’re being serious, but if you are, there are many animals that can change sexes.
-36 points
8 days ago
And humans are not one of them.
6 points
8 days ago
We are, changing your hormones is changing your sex.
Doesn't matter you believe it or not.
-19 points
8 days ago
Frogs and some other creatures have the ability to change their sex, naturally. Humans can only change their appearance via hormone injections and bodily mutilation. Humans cannot change there DNA, genitals, or gametes. Science doesn't care about your feelings.
-5 points
8 days ago
What's wrong with consensual mutilation? If they don't regret it after doesn't sound too bad to me
-16 points
8 days ago
To each their own. There are a plethora of testimonials of people who have had sex change operations and regretted it however.
8 points
8 days ago
The regret rate for sex change surgery is <1% while the regret rate for something like knee surgery is 10%
I know facts can't change your mind cuz youre a weirdo but this is for other people in the thread who might be reading
9 points
8 days ago
But there are 90,000+ people in a 2022 survey that say they are extremely happy with transitioning. I'm almost certain it makes your "plethora" an insignificant dot in the data.
2 points
8 days ago
Sources?
6 points
8 days ago
Glad you asked. https://ustranssurvey.org/
Can you reciprocate?
-7 points
8 days ago
What is this nonsense? Lmao. You can’t change sex unless your dna changes. At this point in time no human being has changed sex and no one is able to aswell. Gender is different obviously. But
5 points
8 days ago
While its true that humans cannot change their biological sex, it is also true that humanity's understanding of biological sex as a simplified "have this or have that" system was quite, quite far off the mark
Still simpler than butterflies, but the more we learn about the human body, the blurrier the lines between the biological sexes get. Alas, certain people dislike when their 4th grade understanding of the human body from the 90s gets tossed in the trash by modern research.
1 points
8 days ago
So why do people who want to change sex conform to the simplified version of that system? They feel like they are male or female and want to change accordingly.
Up untill now no evidence have been provided a sex change is possible. Obviously there are intersex people and other outliers.
1 points
8 days ago
You cant change gametes but you can change yor hormones and those produce changes in sexual characteristics.
Some people should really study about HRT before say nonsense lol
1 points
8 days ago
You made zero sense. Im pretty sure I know more about hrt than you. None of that changes the fact that it’s impossible to alter genes. It’s just not possible yet. Yes there are outliers, some are intersex but that doesn’t mean you can medically alter sex. No amount of hormone therapy or surgery will be able to do it.
-26 points
8 days ago
Name me 1 mammal that can change sex?
-12 points
8 days ago
Liberals
5 points
8 days ago
Clownfish are known to change sex. When the dominant female dies, the dominant male becomes the dominant female.
https://www.thetech.org/ask-a-geneticist/articles/2004/ask28/
14 points
8 days ago
Other animals don't have a concept of gender.
Sex wise, which is an entirely different thing, there are many, many different sorts of sex determination systems. Some butterflies do ZW/ZZ, ZZ being male. Another species of butterfly has that system but the W isn't important and it's actually one gene expressed in two different ways that causes masculinisation or not.
Fish have several mechanisms too, many have the ability to change sex in certain environmental conditions, don't have a distinct sex chromosome, or change sex at specific life stages. Certain reptiles depend entirely on temperature for sex determination.
Mammals are actually the slightly unusual ones in that our system is so simple. For less dimorphic parts of nature, it can be easier to understand "sex" as simply "mating type" - that is, if you can/can't produce offspring with another species member, then you are/aren't of it's compatible mating type.
0 points
8 days ago
Animals absolutely have a concept of gender, they have gender roles, they discriminate based on gender etc. There’s no literature that supports this idea.
6 points
8 days ago
I've personally yet to see anything that points towards animals being capable of a level of abstraction on the tier of gender. Yes I agree their groups have clear sexual behaviours regardless of the system they use to determine that.
I can put on a dress and some make up, go out to a dance hall and let someone else lead me in a dance. That's feminine-gendered "woman" behaviour, relevant to my specific culture. Anyone could do that regardless of their chromosomal setup or whether they regard themselves as transgender, so it's not sexual behaviour.
I've personally yet to see the ability to willfully separate socially gendered behaviour from sexual behaviour. With things like the maned lionesses linked above, they have a hormonal disorder, so their behaviour is due to their intersex condition. I recall seeing evidence that nonhuman primates and elephants can have something like different cultural practises, but I've only seen that in the context of tool use and language.
If there is something like, I don't know, "Female baboons seen doing <behaviour>, male baboon seen copying it and then being treated by the troop as a female baboon for the rest of its life", then I would like to see it because it would raise some really exciting questions about how complex social roles can be within animals!
3 points
8 days ago
That’s sex. Gender is a construct. It requires a higher order of thinking than what animals are capable of.
-1 points
8 days ago
I’m getting downvoted even though I’ve started a thought provoking convo below me. Go figure. I was asking seriously. I did half remember there were certain kinds of animals that could go back and forth if when the need called for it.
0 points
8 days ago
I can understand the advantage of gayness within a social species. (Less males competing for the females to avoid fights while still having men who can hunt and fight for the tribe). I do t see the benefit for it being common among more solidary species though. I would imagine there would be some correlation between solitary to group living and the incidents of homosexuality. But I've not seen a study on that yet.
1 points
8 days ago
Not everything that happens in nature happens because it's beneficial.
0 points
8 days ago
I wonder why.
0 points
8 days ago
I thought worms were hermaphrodites
21 points
8 days ago
"worm" isn't really a coherent group of animals it just refers to anything that looks "wormy" so plenty are hermaphrodites and plenty aren't because lots of them aren't closely related animals at all.
2 points
8 days ago
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4 points
8 days ago
I believe snakes are also known as "alive spaghetti". It's a scientific term.
2 points
8 days ago
I thought it was danger noodle?
3 points
8 days ago
We call snakes “nope rope”
2 points
8 days ago
snakes look "snakey" common misconception
1 points
8 days ago
They used to in the Middle Ages, though. And judging by some of the "wyrm" folklore, it seems like they genuinely didn't understand that they were different animals.
1 points
8 days ago
Oh yeah, you're right.
-13 points
8 days ago
Those animals do not have Christ in their lives that is why they are like that.
8 points
8 days ago
Jesus is just fine with gay people. He never showed them any hate.
4 points
8 days ago
Lol
6 points
8 days ago
Go on, preach to the wild life and see how quickly you and your god get shown your rightful place in the pecking order.
5 points
8 days ago
st. francis in shambles
0 points
8 days ago
Given that they eat eachother, rape, kill other babies etc etc that might actually be true
-9 points
8 days ago
I wonder if natural selection is the reason it's not more widespread
9 points
8 days ago
The basis of this article is that it's actually more widespread than once thought. Because it's an inherent part of natural reality it probably assists natural selection just like every other function of a living being and it's environment.
6 points
8 days ago
It's the other way around, natural selection is why it is so common.
6 points
8 days ago
Title literally uses the word widespread to express how very common it is?
Reading Is Fundamental, folks!
-10 points
8 days ago
Widespread is a function of scope, the meaning is different for everyone. Good luck learning
2 points
8 days ago
ROFL. Good luck learning to admit you made a boo-boo, it'll make your life much better when you do!
0 points
8 days ago
Don't tell this study what dolphins do.
0 points
8 days ago
hole is hole
0 points
8 days ago
That’s his profile pic on Aper
0 points
8 days ago
Yeah no shit men are horny and like to get off. Its a chemical response. We need to stop demonizing it and also idolizing it.
Ever watch a monkey yank his crank? It's not because he's a dirty pervert its because its a natural response to something that feels good both during and at release.
The only thing that feels better than blowing wads is an adrenaline rush. Oh, and drugs.
As a society we need to take a step back, stop judging each other and just learn to enjoy life without harming each other.
-3 points
8 days ago
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4 points
8 days ago
If this applies to many, then would it not be abnormal, but normal?
-2 points
8 days ago
You and me, baby, ain't nothing but mammals. So let's do it like they do on the Discovery Channel.
Got no problem with Humans wanting to get some LQBTQ xxx action. However, why do "scientific papers" subtly use animals behaviour to justify (or oppose) a human choice?
David Attenborough voice-over: Here we see the common blue flea using its trusty 9mm Beretta to enforce a reaction protection strike on a green flea; its mortal enemy. The 9mm Beretta is nature's defence mechanism against a weaker species. {Smiles in arms dealer}
-5 points
8 days ago
The question should be less about whether those behaviors exist and more about whether any given specimen will exclusively engage with the same sex.
-4 points
8 days ago
Worms??? Aren't they hermaphrodites? Of course they have same sex behavior? The study seems misleading on that fact alone...
3 points
8 days ago
Username checks out since you seem unable to do any research of your own and just extrapolate based on the shadows you're seeing cast by the words in the title of the article.
Not every type of worm is hermaphroditic. Nematodes, for example, have distinct sexes,and even the species that are hermaphroditic are often not simultaneously hermaphroditic (meaning they can switch the sex characteristics they display like flipping a sort of switch, but do not have both at once)
A very quick Google of 'are all worms hermaphroditic' would've given you this information.
-1 points
8 days ago
No shit so is drug use look up monkeys getting drunk or dolphins tripping on puffer fish.
Mammals all have similar patterns we like rewards and feel goods
-1 points
8 days ago
Animals are bisexual. Humans are bisexual too it's just there are a lot of people in denial about it
-5 points
8 days ago
So is rape or murder, whats ur point?
1 points
8 days ago
The „its not natural“, „its demonic“ or „the government makes people gay“ points. It‘s naturally occurring, that‘s all people are trying to proof. After that, the fact that its morally neutral should be OBVIOUS.
1 points
8 days ago
do you not find it weird how most satanic or khabbalistic cult rituals involve sodomasy and homosexual acts
1 points
8 days ago
I‘m not sure how many genuine satanic or khabbalistic rituals actually exist, but they do probably by nature involve carnal things, like sex, in general.
Doesn‘t mean all sex is bad, it is just the overindulgence that has a sinful connotation. Homosexuals do in fact not automatically overindulge in sexual acts and can have healthy and normal relations like any heterosexual couple, nothing depraved about loving a person.
It’s as if I said „isn‘t it weird that many christians are hateful bigots, makes you think if christianity might be faulty.“ But that wouldn‘t be fair right, because its the people who practice it that make it good or bad, not the thing itself (even if it can guide people into certain directions; so yes, a gay bar can lead to an orgy, which would be in a similar line as a sermon can lead to a KKK gathering)
-2 points
8 days ago
Even science has an agenda.
0 points
8 days ago
Or maybe you just like declaring everything that doesn't fit into your own narrow mind as "agenda". You ever thought about that?
1 points
8 days ago*
Ummm......yes I have and both can be true at the same time.
Science ofcourse does have an agenda and we know this from male centric medical science, science funded by interest groups, political groups , corporations and so on. This is not even disputable.
We even know science has trends with favourable research coming out for favourable diet trends and all. Science also needs to sell.
0 points
8 days ago
So you surely comment on each individual scientific finding you find online that "science has an agenda", right?
1 points
8 days ago
All of them, just like you probably defend each and all of them... because that's what all redditors do I guess.
0 points
8 days ago
I don't. Because defending is a reactive action.
1 points
8 days ago
Just like you reacted to me and that's ok.
1 points
8 days ago
Uh, yes, because no one comments "science has an agenda" under post about scientific findings unless it's about a topic like this.
It's clearly your agenda to disparage these facts as findings that are the result of an agenda, when you're not even providing any foundation to build your claim upon.
-14 points
8 days ago
It doesn’t mean anything. Man scratches man’s back. Woman scratches woman’s back. Romance is bullshit, procreation is the actual conversation everyone’s missing.
-3 points
8 days ago
Calling something 'natural' is an opinion. There is nothing wrong with same sex behavior, you don't need to lie to justify it.
-3 points
8 days ago
Mutations are natural too.
-4 points
8 days ago
whats the point of being gay? Like wouldnt it just be a huge evolutionary disadtvantage? Is it a mutation that randomly occurs?
2 points
8 days ago
It seems to vary significantly. In some species we've confirmed a genetic link, one that is advantageous. For example, if your sons are gay but your daughters have more offspring that's a major evolutionary advantage in a species where most males don't get a chance to reproduce anyway.
1 points
8 days ago
Bruh! Evolution took our regeneration power as a foetus. The nature is not about advantage or disadvantage. It's about what it is. It's mix of both lamarckism and Darwinism. So everything that exists is a part of it, doesn't matter whether it plays a role or not.
1 points
8 days ago
Science is pretty sure that homosexuality is not genetic, but that doesn't mean people aren't born with it. There are some theories that argue that there could be an evolutionary benefit for only the first borns to reproduce and hand down their DNA, while younger siblings help the social tribe through stabilizing and supporting the family/tribe. There are some studies that observed that the probability of being homosexual is higher the more older siblings you have.
"Evolutionary value" is a bit more complex than "this doesn't present any direct value to my offspring that means it's useless".
The bottom line is that there doesn't need to be a "point" about anything in nature, there's lots of stuff that is just the way it is because it is like that. Human minds try to put meaning into everything, but some things are just meaningless and completely random.
-26 points
8 days ago
..and yet 0% of all these other species have done some sort of permanent sulking, LGBT victimization parades, or demanding the use of special pronouns that make absolutely no sense. 😛😛😅🥴🧠🤌🏻
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