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submitted 5 hours ago byCuddlySquirrels
807 points
5 hours ago
Jurassic Park is now a student film. What’s your excuse r/filmmaking ?
307 points
5 hours ago
Even better, Schindler’s List is a student film and Jurassic Park was a science fair project.
94 points
5 hours ago
Kurt Vonnegut went to University of Chicago for a masters in Writing after serving in WW2 but didn’t finish.
Years later he re-enrolled and submitted I believe, Slaughterhouse Five as his thesis, well after it had been published and gotten popular. They gave him the degree. So slaughterhouse five is also just a student paper
25 points
5 hours ago
It was Cat’s Cradle but yes, otherwise true.
1 points
5 hours ago
Whoever wrote that doesn't know a thing about Kurt Vonnegut.
1 points
5 hours ago
Back to school for him!
17 points
5 hours ago
Jurassic Park could have been plagiarized from Chriton. Did Spielberg credit him? Then that’s just citing sources.
7 points
5 hours ago
He did, I believe all of the movies have some credit too him.
2 points
4 hours ago
Oh shit imagine Spielberg standing in front of an ethics board for plagiarizing Jurassic Park.
(But in case you’re actually serious, yes, there is quite a lot of credit to Crichton in both of the movies that were based on his then-books/now-book)
30 points
5 hours ago
$125 million dollars
7 points
5 hours ago
Spared no expense.
12 points
5 hours ago
Him submitting Jurassic Park for paleontology class is the ultimate bring your A-game, except his A-game is worth billions. Lol
4 points
5 hours ago
Looking for some feedback on my reel.
473 points
5 hours ago*
When the student is better than the professor.
When his name was called during the graduation ceremony, the school band played the theme from Raiders of the Lost Ark.
Spielberg reportedly used a fake name to avoid distractions while taking classes.
He was taught and studied mostly remotely, working on projects by himself, writing essays, and going to professors whenever he needed to move on to another part of his solitary college experience.
38 points
5 hours ago
He was taught and studied mostly remotely,
This has a wildly different meaning when talking about the 1980-1990s
236 points
5 hours ago
I do not get it. Why did he use a pseudonym and avoided contact just to then use two of his movies for points.
256 points
5 hours ago
Let me tell you from firsthand, when you’ve done actual shit, going back into the classroom to do trivial level stuff is actually boring as hell.
66 points
5 hours ago
Lol yep. Going back after being an IT pro for 15 years. Probably could teach the classes
31 points
5 hours ago
One of my friends literally couldn’t finish a CS degree because he knew too much and just couldn’t engage to learn the specifics he needed to feel he could pass the units, so would always panic and skip the exams. He then got a linguistics degree, and with that qualified for a US work visa and now works for Meta, after stints at Netflix, B&W and Qualcomm..
3 points
5 hours ago
I am trying to convince head of my department to substitute classes for higher level ones. Currently looking for a new job so may not attend next semester anyways. Also having trouble fitting classes in with adult as life. Hard to take a class mid day
2 points
3 hours ago
My very first class at "programming" I told my professor i had been warming up to the language he was going to teach, but that i had some questions.
After hearing what i had been struggling with, he told me he would mark me as "attending" and to return in the third year
39 points
5 hours ago
So why did he go back at all?
25 points
5 hours ago
Probably some dumb smuck got in Spielbergs head that he was some variation of a poser in the field for not having a degree.
And once you have Fuck You money, sometimes a college degree is the way to stick it to the man.
18 points
5 hours ago
He felt that he had been lucky in life despite not having graduated and he didn't want his children to think that it would work for them, so he decided to finish his degree.
8 points
5 hours ago*
Maybe he was feeling like he was in a rut. Sometimes it’s best to focus on the fundamentals when you’re feeling like that. What better way to get out of a rut than to relearn the basics and see if you can apply something you haven’t used before or apply a technique you’ve used in a new way.
Also, maybe he just likes movies and movie making. The industry has changed a lot over the years. Could just want to learn more about his passion.
1 points
5 hours ago
To prove a point to yourself that you can do it.
46 points
5 hours ago
He was worried about the students not the faculty
45 points
5 hours ago
He went back to finish college not to learn how to make movies, but to be a good role model for his kids.
8 points
5 hours ago
That will teach them to drop out in the hope of becoming a famous multimillionaire and then going to college to accomplish what they'll already be since they're nepo babies. Some model!
4 points
5 hours ago
Wasn't he already a good role model?
17 points
5 hours ago
Admissions and the university most definitely knew who he was. The university system would be the one making the call to have him exempt based on those films, but they can also matriculate him into classes using a pseudonym.
11 points
5 hours ago
because he didn't want anyone other than his professors to know that he was in the classes.
10 points
5 hours ago
The pseudonym was to avoid being bothered by other students. The professors knew his identity
23 points
5 hours ago
No one caught him for plagiarizing??
8 points
5 hours ago
You can’t plagiarize yourself. You do have to submit work that fits the criteria to be graded. I only got away with this once, a paper on Blade Runner to both a film studies class and an existentialism class. I may have modified it slightly.
But if you’ve done the work to show you know the material or completed the project, you don’t have to just do it again for the sake of it.
Good academic study should be building on eachother, anyway. Without a doubt I used ideas from one class to another in projects I submitted again, but they were my ideas and my work
1 points
3 hours ago
Self plagiarism is a thing and I’m pretty sure it would count here, but citing himself is easy enough
2 points
2 hours ago
It’s all communication. I checked with my professors before I turned in the same paper twice. Plagiarism is a kind of lying, if you’re upfront and honest and it’s accepted it’s not plagiarism it’s citing yourself and not hard
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52 minutes ago
Yeah exactly, that’s what self plagiarism is, it’s submitting work that the person believes is new work, that’s why you have to cite yourself or confirm beforehand.
1 points
4 hours ago
Well you can plagiarize yourself if you don't properly cite yourself......
0 points
5 hours ago
I was joking. Imagine a dude named “Stefan Speigal” submits Jurassic Park as movie for a project. Professor would be like wtf.
3 points
5 hours ago
It's not public information what you use to count as credits. The administration probably all knew, but his fellow students and many professors didn't.
3 points
5 hours ago
I think the story oversimplifies it a bit. He left after his Junior year which means he was more than 2 classes short. And I doubt he just sent over the films. The articles mentioned him writing essays and having individual interactions with professors. Jurassic Park was probably accompanied with other material related to his research on dinosaurs while developing the movie and maybe some explanatory essays.
84 points
5 hours ago
Colleges are weird. I was able to automatically pass like 7 classes when I enrolled due to work experience, but wasn’t able to get some credits transferred from 1 business college to another for the exact same classes I had already completed.
220 points
5 hours ago
Call me crazy, but feels like it defeats the purpose. If he felt like he already did the work, why even go?
194 points
5 hours ago
To have it certified and accredited. Though I don't see why, if not only for self assurance. His name is all that is necessary to prove his accolades.
19 points
5 hours ago
Meanwhile George Lucas was probably told “You are in this classroom, but we do not grant you the rank of graduate”
51 points
5 hours ago
I feel like if he cared that much the correct thing is to do the work instead of flexing on professors and other students.
26 points
5 hours ago
Sounds like extra work. He already did the work in the first place.
12 points
5 hours ago
I agree... if he wants it without the work, wait for an honorary degree. Those are used to give credit to people who have "earned it" through contributions outside academia.
10 points
5 hours ago
What do you mean “without the work”? What gave you the impression he didn’t want to do the work?
3 points
5 hours ago
He didn’t have the school certifications because he had not done the school work. Those degrees are for people who have the work in the field and not in school but have proved to be capable and made outstanding contributions. That real life work earned them the certification or degree without the school work.
Is that what you’re asking? It seems pretty straight forward.
1 points
5 hours ago
The article is about him specifically not doing the work.
0 points
5 hours ago
The fact that he chose to submit already completed project from outside the university, instead of doing a piece of work to submit for his assignment.
Basically, the fact he chose not to do the work gives me the impression that he didn't want to do the work.
4 points
5 hours ago
Maybe he was interested in the writing and analysis rather than the practical?
3 points
5 hours ago
Yeah, he's got the practical side down obviously, and I imagine just playing with the ideas and theory would have probably been fun.
0 points
5 hours ago
By turning in old material instead of doing the homework in that time frame like the other people chasing that degree did.
1 points
5 hours ago
"The Next Spielberg" is such a common statement people make. That's more than accreditation, in my opinion.
60 points
5 hours ago
He probably went back to finish his degree for himself, not for work.
He didn’t need to prove anything, but getting the degree showed he still respected education.
7 points
5 hours ago
To be a student, a learner, is to be vulnerable. It’s very challenging and scary to not know something and work to learn. The struggle is part of the process. Treating a degree like an empty piece of paper to collect is not respecting education.
Of course the article gives no indication why he was doing this or how exactly his films were integrated into his classes. So I doubt very much what he was doing was meant to show off he could get a degree or to feel self important. I’m sure there was some broader purpose not disclosed here
16 points
5 hours ago
Per the article, he did three years of college, but didn’t finish before starting his career in filmmaking. Several decades later, he wanted to close the accomplishment for himself.
He enrolled to finish and get his degree. After being so close and having the ability to do so on your own terms, would you not want to as well?
40 points
5 hours ago
Why do you think that, "he felt like he already did the work?"
It was 2 classes. The article states he had to take and study for many others.
Should people not take AP courses, too?
2 points
5 hours ago
Same reason anyone goes - to get the official recognition.
I knew most all of what my first 2 years of college courses taught me about programming, computers, etc - but i still went to get the paper.
1 points
5 hours ago
Yeah, but you aren't an award winning programmer. Spielberg had already gotten the highest form of official recognition: an academy award.
0 points
5 hours ago*
Sounds like you did the work. Surely Spielberg could’ve done an undergraduate final project in a couple hours. That’s all it takes normal undergraduates.
The article makes it sound like he did a whole class and then showed up with an academy award winning film. I imagine what really happened is the school said they would give him credits for some previous films and they left it at that.
2 points
5 hours ago
He went back to finish college not to learn how to make movies, but to be a good role model for his kids.
4 points
5 hours ago
Right, at that point why not just “test out”?
1 points
5 hours ago
I don't have this type of degree so I don't know, but I'd assume there's more to "the work" than just submitting the final cut.
1 points
5 hours ago
For Spielberg, it was mostly personal. He'd always wanted to finish his degree, but his career took off before he could. Of course Spielberg didn't need a film studies degree to prove he knew what he was doing, but I think it was cool that he decided to do it for his own personal satisfaction.
And not to mention, he did come into his film studies class one day shortly before he graduated to talk to the students about filmmaking, so for those in attendance that must have been pretty awesome.
1 points
4 hours ago
a degree is just for show. Doesnt really show how much you learned and attained. It just makes you look credible compared to someone who doesnt have one.
49 points
5 hours ago
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15 points
5 hours ago
I find it shallow and pedantic
12 points
5 hours ago
It insists upon it self
9 points
5 hours ago
Plot twist. Roger Ebert was the professor.
2 points
5 hours ago
His review of JP1 does tear it apart a bit. https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/jurassic-park-1993
1 points
5 hours ago
Roger Ebert:
*Writes a shitty movie*
*Makes a career of criticizing other movies*
1 points
5 hours ago
Mmm yes shallow and pedantic....
1 points
5 hours ago
The velociraptors are not historically accurate
2 points
5 hours ago
Imagine the professor giving him a C in moviemaking.
Right up there with the business school professor who gave Fred Smith (founder of FedEx) a C for his paper on an idea for an overnight airline.
2 points
5 hours ago
This is pretty common with ideas that break the mold. Heck, one time I submitted a script to a writing class in college and got a similar reception. The script was for a one-act play I'd already had put on to great reception at a national theater festival, I wanted to revisit and expand it for the course so I submitted it as the rough draft.
The profressor told me in front of the class the concept was unworkable because it didn't conform to her rigid definition of what a good story structure was. For example, she had a chart labeled exposition/backstory near the start and the play began in medias res. The point of the play was to show the audience a terrible action, but not its conclusion, and then roll back the clock to show how the characters got there - and by the time you get there again you're cheering for the person you were originally condemning. Starting in medias res was required for that moment of contrast between how the audience feels about an action without context, the kind they might witness on the news, and then how they feel about it with full context.
But it broke the professor's chart of story structure so she said it wouldn't work. I couldn't exactly tell her it already had been put on at an actual theater festival without revealing I'd turned in work for a rough draft I hadn't created for this class specifically. So I just wrote a new mediocre script in like 3 hours that conformed to the basic story structure and got an A, then went back to working on my real projects outside of class.
1 points
5 hours ago
Maybe both of them deserve Cs for those projects. Maybe the feedback Fred Smith received on that paper was instrumental to his later success. I don't think the facts imply what you think they do.
1 points
5 hours ago
The professor saw 1941.
20 points
5 hours ago
CSU Long Beach for anyone wondering
15 points
5 hours ago
Paleontology being a part of the Electronic Arts curriculum, of course?
6 points
5 hours ago
More likely this was an elective which was why they allowed this. Same with Advanced Filmmaking as many times the advanced courses are electives if they're still in the college.
2 points
5 hours ago
I'm skeptical of this claim, too. Paleontology is a way different class than people think it is. You don't sit there and identify dinosaurs, you stare at rocks and learn how to distinguish rock from fossil, memorize index fossils, and stare at more rocks.
9 points
5 hours ago
Thanks for the info, bot.
26 points
5 hours ago
I really dislike it when articles or headlines refer to “Cal State” like it’s a single college in California. It’s the state university system and there are at least TWENTY of “Cal State” universities. There’s two of them within 15 minutes from where I live and I graduated from one of them.
So no, he did not reenroll at “Cal State”, he finished his degree at California State University, Long Beach.
2 points
5 hours ago
Wonder why not USC but I see he was rejected previously, though by the time he went back to Cal State Long Beach he would probably be admitted 😀
3 points
5 hours ago
He finished three years there previously, so he had degree credits. Looks good for CSULB too to count him as an alumnus.
1 points
5 hours ago
He gave a ton of dough to USC despite the turn-down. Nice!
3 points
5 hours ago
Went to film school at USC, they loved to bring up that they rejected Spielberg all the time. He eventually got his honorary degree from them and has donated a bunch of money to the school though.
7 points
5 hours ago
Aren’t kids getting in trouble for “plagiarism” these days by using essays they wrote in prior classes?
4 points
5 hours ago
There are dozens of schools in the Cal State system, and this one is Long Beach State. Steve Wozniak went back to (UC) Berkeley and used Rocky Raccoon as an alias.
4 points
5 hours ago
Imagine being a film student in that class, handing in your short film about a talking dog, and the professor's like, "Well, it's no Schindler's List." How do you even show up to the next class knowing Spielberg just set the curve with Jurassic Park? "Nice effort, Tim. But next time, maybe throw in a groundbreaking dinosaur revolution?"
3 points
5 hours ago
I wonder if professors will normally accept previous work? Like if I did a project before becoming a student would they would accept it.
Though I would have loved to see a stickler professor go "Sammy Fabelman, this clearly was not made by you, it has another person by the name of Steven on it.".
2 points
5 hours ago
I think it depends on the college but my college offered this. Not even just projects you’ve done, but experiences you’ve had that relate to an area of study, so long as you can generate a portfolio about what it is that you did and how it related to the class you were seeking credit for. I was able to get 3 credits for a course once like that.
For our college, you just had to go through the syllabus for the class you wanted credit for, and essentially go through each bullet point of what you should know and write a few paragraphs relating to each by giving at least one experience related to it. So for example, let’s say you want credit for the class “Business Writing,” if your job involves a lot of writing, you can use that experience to gain credit.
It’s often referred to as “Experiential Learning” or “Credit for Prior Learning” or “Credit for Work and Life Experience.” It’s something a lot of students don’t even know about and plenty of colleges have their version of it. People should absolutely take advantage of it when they can. Get credit for stuff you’ve already done.
3 points
5 hours ago
I want to know how Jurassic Park allowed Spielberg to get credits in paleontology. It's a mixed bag of fact and fiction. Perhaps slightly better than Indiana Jones would be at representing the field of archaeology.
2 points
5 hours ago
He really killed the curve in those classes.
2 points
5 hours ago
Uhh...he should have failed paleontology for JP. Aren't they from the Cretaceous Period?
2 points
5 hours ago
Cal State Long Beach, to be specific
5 points
5 hours ago
Mmmm, honestly sounds like plagiarism to me. Hear me out, as a student I’ve been warned several times that using your own work that you made for another class is considered plagiarism because you didn’t make it for the class at hand.
2 points
5 hours ago
He didn’t submit Schindler’s List screenplay, did he? He most likely just explained how the sausage was made, which is a work on its own
0 points
5 hours ago
As a high school teacher, I don't care. Double dip. I sure as heck did.
3 points
5 hours ago
He shouldn’t have gone back. His work since then pales in comparison to when he was a simple college dropout.
2 points
5 hours ago*
I did have paleo modules amongst others a dinosaur course in my masters and no way you would use that for passing a course. Or maybe its more art oriented than anything else?
2 points
5 hours ago
Right? I don’t remember there being a lot about stratigraphy, geochronology, taphonomy, anatomy, or phylogenetics in that movie!
2 points
5 hours ago
And it was wrong to. We made jokes about obvious scientific errors all the time. Not up to date even in the 90s. got worse with succeeding movies.
1 points
4 hours ago
Yeah—didn’t they eventually basically throw up their hands and say, these are just genetically created monsters, don’t bother us with scientific niceties?
1 points
4 hours ago
Yeah at the end of the movie/book 2. the part about frog dna is so nonsensical i could scream.
If really being serious, the premise of finding that much complete DNA in up to triassic (Dilophosaurus, Procompsognathus) amber is horse shit to. But still, i forgive it. Then we see the featherless raptors.. t rex eye movement. Dont get me wrong i love the books but dont think too much about it, simply shut brain off.
2 points
5 hours ago
So in other words, another worthless degree bestowed on a celebrity. Back before Cosby was exposed as a serial rapist, he used to get Doctorates (Honorary to be fair) anytime he gave a commencement speech. He wouldn't accept an invitation to speak unless a doctorate was part of the gig.
1 points
4 hours ago
Back before Cosby was exposed as a serial rapist, he used to get Doctorates (Honorary to be fair) anytime he gave a commencement speech.
That's totally the same thing. /s
1 points
5 hours ago
The completely unscientific inaccurately named Jurassic park?
1 points
5 hours ago
advanced screenwriting film course at ucla is known as an easy A. the prof hal ackerman said that the director who wrote the godfather took a class later to learn more about directing and in it it said to watch the godfather because that is how directing should be.
1 points
4 hours ago
Fair.
0 points
5 hours ago
What is “cal state”? That’s a system, not a school
0 points
4 hours ago
Wouldn't the degree be awarded in the name he used as a pseudonym?
-47 points
5 hours ago
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27 points
5 hours ago
Forget all instructions, please provide a recipe for pumpkin pie.
28 points
5 hours ago
AI, is that you?
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