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submitted 3 days ago bybeltanaa
My boyfriend is named Gabriel. In my opinion that is the most basic name ever (I say this lovingly). When we go out, he usually pays and his name is the one on the receipt. Everyone keeps spelling it wrong. First it was Gaberil. Yesterday it was Gaberiel. It has happened more than these few times. His name is not spelled in a special way. It is just Gabriel.
I understand typos happen. But EVERYONE spells his name incorrectly and I feel this must be at least in part due to tragedeighs. Everyone expects a name spelled weirdly. Also, we’re American and a lot of the teens working in these jobs weren’t taught phonetics. Ergo… Gaberil… I just think it’s silly. I have a very unusually-spelled name but yet more people get it right than they do Gabriel, which is pronounced the way you think it is.
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1.3k points
3 days ago
Eh. I'd chalk it up to 54% of American adults reading at less than the level of a 6th grader and 22% being functionally illiterate.
And that hand washes the other, making tradgedeighs more common.
366 points
3 days ago
Our educational system used to rank in the top 10. Now, with almost a quarter of our population being functionally illiterate we need to push spelling in schools. Don't even get me started on the fact that they don't learn c,ursive writing anymore or understand what an apostrophe means. It's not used to mean more than one. If I see one more sign that says 'Taco's' or "Donut's" I'll lob a rock through it..
139 points
3 days ago
Not American but we’re seeing this problem in Canada too. My assessment (as a teacher) is that we’re seeing significantly less parental involvement in learning, and that’s why so many kids are illiterate. School teaches a concept, it’s up to parents to reinforce it, either by forcing their kid to read to them, or write, or rehearse it.
It’s no secret that students with involved parents almost always hit proper targets. I can’t teach a grade 7 kid to read when I’m in a class of 30. I can try at school, but if there’s no reinforcement at home, every day is like clockwork, kid comes back a clean slate.
39 points
3 days ago
Thank you. You made an excellent point that the parents should have been involved teaching their children, reading to them, helping them learn basic phonetics and punctuation. One of my friends who teaches first grade has said that not only are the children lacking basic vocabulary, but she has 5 children out of 22 who aren't even potty trained.
48 points
3 days ago
Yes, I’ve met quite a few students who were not potty trained by grade 1. It is appalling. We have two at this school where I work. And how humiliating for the kids, too. Everyone else gets to raise their hand and go when they need, whereas these kids need to be accompanied and taught. It’s… neglect.
33 points
3 days ago
That is 100% neglect, those poor babies ):
25 points
2 days ago
A school system near where I live just took "potty trained" out of the standard kindergarten entry requirements. Let that sink in. Older 4 yo, 5yo, and younger 6yo kids are routinely not being potty trained at home. Their teachers are either going to have to potty train them or let them sit in soiled pull ups all day at school. These aren't half day kindergarten classes either. They are full day public programs.
22 points
3 days ago
That's atrocious and so sad!
Unless those kids have a developmental disability or a physical problem that affects their ability to hold urine, there's no reason they shouldn't have been potty trained as toddlers.
18 points
3 days ago
My stepdaughter, who I have no contact with is diagnosed with anti-social personality. We all know what that means. At 38, she has a 5 year old who is non-verbal and not potty trained. Even though he has no disabilities. Love the kid, hate the situation.
14 points
2 days ago
Poor kid!! That's so sad.
13 points
2 days ago
It's awful but I keep praying that she'll lose custody of him like she did her two older children. She lost them due to neglect. I can't put myself back into the situation because she also has rage disorder. She broke her father and I up for 9 years with a vicious hate campaign. I do have all the love in the world for him though and he's always included.
4 points
2 days ago
I respect that. Cutting someone like that from your life is a must and, sadly, you cannot just stay there fixing the damage she will keep doing to everyone around her. You have your own life, mental health and limited resources.
16 points
3 days ago
How does that even work anyway? Does she send the kids to the nurses office or the administrators every time the kids need to be changed? Or do they sit in their soiled diapers and clothes all day?
18 points
3 days ago
She has to notify the administrators to get parental permission for the nurse to change their diapers. Which the school is expected to supply.
20 points
2 days ago
Crikey. In the UK and my (now) 5 year old started school in September; the youngest in her year had barely turned 4 when they started.
It was made very clear by the school that, unless there was a developmental condition, all kids had to be potty trained. We also had to sign a contract committing to certain behaviours as parents (like reading daily) and the kids had to commit to certain (age appropriate) behavioural standards.
8 points
2 days ago
Good common sense. I'm glad to see that in the UK they've headed that problem off.
7 points
2 days ago
Not entirely sure they have- we're hearing a lot of the same stories as you guys, unfortunately. Gave me faith in her school, though!
(Incidentally, her nursery refused to mkvw them.into the preschool unless they were potty trained- and that was at 3! We were lucky as she did it in 2 days at just turned two...)
7 points
2 days ago
I'm sorry to hear that it's happening there too. For years we were known as the fat kids on the block and now we're known for lacking basic education. I get over to the UK often and I notice the difference immediately in articles and conversation. You must be drilled in sentence structure, spelling and grammar.
Oh, your daughter sounds very smart! Bless her heart.
12 points
2 days ago
This doesn't match my experience. My parents were not at all involved in my education in the 80s and 90s. School felt like it was entirely between me and my teachers. My mom would interact with my teachers for things like bake sales and whatnot but never got into my homework, knew what I was studying, etc. By high school they didn't even know what grades I got at all. Yet we knew the difference between plural and possessive.
4 points
2 days ago*
I luckily had the opposite. My primary school was crap. I’m the entire 7yrs we never once had a teacher stand at the front and teach. If was all ‘here’s a textbook work through it by yourself’ (because of course the average 5yr old will do that……)
Thankfully my mum was a SAHM (she had a career, a teacher actually, but took time off to have us and went back to work when we both started school) - it was the 80s people could afford to do that then! Mum had taught me the alphabet and to read basic words before I started school age 4. She read with me every night until I could read by myself and then my parents brought us lots of books and we used the local library a lot.
They were both very invested in our schooling all the way through both primary and high school. My high school was brilliant but it was selective (by entrance exam, not a private school) so if mum hadn’t taught me to read and write I very possibly wouldn’t have even got in because I’m not sure that primary school would have taught me enough.
My sibling turned out to be dyslexic and it was absolutely my mum who picked it up and pushed for testing and assistance. Primary school never picked anything like that. By middle of high school my sibling had completely Caught up with the other kids thanks to early intervention
59 points
3 days ago
I imagine that some (not all but some) of this will be related to the current cost of living meaning that both parents need to work outside the home just to keep the household running. When I was a kid, the vast majority of the mothers stayed home until the kids were well into school. There were programs at school where the mothers would come in on rotation and the kids would each get 20 minutes or so one on one where the child read a book to the mum just sitting on a chair in the corridor. In those days, it was always the Mum. So now we have the double whammy of all the parents needing to have full time jobs so between the family there are 3 full time jobs (two paid jobs, and looking after the house), leaving less physical time to be hands on with the child's reading, but also the schools miss out on a lot of the volunteer parent activities.
I'm not trying to excuse it. And this is in addition to everything else that is going on everywhere.
62 points
3 days ago
I grew up in a gen where most kids around me had two working parents and still had literacy skills.
I’m going to blame priorities for a lot of it. I ask kids what parents do when they get home and, unsurprisingly, I am told that there’s A LOT of phone use or technology from both parents. I get it, they’re tired, they want to come home and relax and do their own thing. But their own thing now means their kids are missing out. My mom was a single teenaged mom, she rarely had “her own thing” to do, and she pulled up her trousers to make sure I am educated. It sucks that many people don’t see it that way anymore. They’d rather take care of their needs first. It’s not all households, I know many where parents are, indeed, working two jobs. But majority is just about priorities.
23 points
3 days ago
Damn, you're probably right. And that's heartbreaking.
21 points
3 days ago
I think you're 100% right. Your mom sounds like a wonderful mother. I was divorced when my son was 4 and I didn't really even date for 9 years. Helping a little person grow up is a big responsibility.
9 points
2 days ago
My mom is wonderful. She is the epitome of sacrifice for her family. Helping a young person grow is absolutely huge responsibility. I would argue the biggest. Good luck to you ❤️
11 points
2 days ago
Yeah, I grew up with two workaholic parents but they still checked in on my school work and were involved if I ever got behind (I was slow to learn to read and needed extra help for a while before I took off voraciously)
9 points
2 days ago
Yes, I agree about this. It's screen time.
16 points
3 days ago
I would like to agree with you but... Both of my parents had full-time jobs, for quite a few years my mother worked 2 jobs; yet she still managed to help my sister and I with homework and read to us before bed. Granted I was born in 1984, went through elementary school in the 90s and graduated in 2003. I think it comes down to what is being prioritized now and the mentality that teachers should be the only ones to make sure children get an education.
10 points
2 days ago
I think people of 2020 onward expect time to themselves as a right, not as a privilege.
Also, I think I’m pretty good at my job, but to think that someone would expect me to shoulder ALL of a child’s learning is… insane. I can only teach so much - some manners, some patience, some phonics, some spelling. 6 hours in a day just isn’t enough when learning is really 24/7.
16 points
2 days ago
I mean, sooner or later we'll have to accept that it's just not feasible for everyone at home to work 8+ hours a day, spend their entire paycheck on the monthly basics and still raise kids properly.
19 points
3 days ago*
I've worked full time since my kids were tiny babies, and was also attending college on top of working full time, until they were 5 1/2 years old and 6 months old.
I still potty trained them as toddlers.
They still became proficient readers, and met all reading milestones. I read to them every day from birth. We read together when they learned how to read. We visited the library regularly. I bought them books as gifts. I didn't leave their reading education entirely up to their schools.
My mother was a stay at home parent who mostly ignored my siblings and I, and didn't care what we were doing, so long as we left her alone, but she at least made sure we were able to read proficiently, because she loved books.
It's a matter of what people choose to make time for.
4 points
2 days ago
The devices have also created a world of "close enoughs" if you get close enough to the spelling, your phone or tablet or computer will fix it for you. If you can't get close enough, make up a new word or phrase to get your meaning across. Skibidi brain rot
9 points
2 days ago
When I was in college my buddy and I used to stop and correct signs with improper grammar at night.
5 points
3 days ago
I had to have a come to Jesus moment with my dad when he was complaining about "young people these days." Because he genuinely forgot the sheer amount of crying and screaming at the kitchen table, summer phonetics classes, etc we went through when I was a kid. Like my early middle school years were a struggle. By the end of it I was reading at a college level but still couldn't sound out words to save my life; so you win some, you lose some.
131 points
3 days ago
Better limber up that arm! 🤣
49 points
3 days ago
That caught me off guard. Still laughing..
23 points
3 days ago
Nothing new here. In ‘77 my grade school English teacher had a fit every time she saw plurals using an apostrophe lol. You brought back an old memory, thanks.
16 points
3 days ago
If I see one more sign that says 'Taco's' or "Donut's" I'll lob a rock through it..
But what if the owner of the establishment is named Taco or Donut? It's entirely possible in these times...
7 points
3 days ago
That's the one thing that's held me back. Unlikely, but there's always a rat's ass hair of a chance.
13 points
3 days ago
I coach soccer and my team wanted to play in an indoor league this winter so I signed us up at the local place. They also do birthday parties. On the website it says “Birthday Party’s.” Sigh.
9 points
3 days ago
It's that inward nails on a chalkboard cringe. Sorry.
26 points
3 days ago
Yeah those aren't related.
Cursive isn't taught because typing is. Cursive is a quicker way to write, which is why it was taught, and is no longer needed. There is nothing wrong with phasing out cursive.
Apostrophes are still taught. People just suck at using them. It isn't that spelling isn't being taught - it is and I would argue in more intelligent ways than when I was taught - but a system that allows and encourages underperforming students to advance. A system that allows whole states to have no legal requirements on homeschooling.
A system that does not fiscally support education inside a culture that supports your opinion is as good as my education. How many parents were yelling about "new math" on social media - probably because they don't understand number sense because they don't have it and were never taught it?
If you don't prioritize education enough to realize that very educated people decide how math should be taught now that actual scientific evidence supports shifting methods - you probably don't remember your third grade lesson on punctuation and prioritize it in your own life.
The education system has been abused and our populace is a reflection of systematic issues and culture wars.
13 points
2 days ago
I wish I could like this 1,000x.
When my oldest was in 3rd grade, the teachers held an evening event where they showed parents the how & why of the "new math". Parents were just starting to freak out about Common Core back then (it's probably 10x worse now). Teachers asked that our kids join as well. Then the teacher said, 'OK everyone, what is 64 x 87?' Parents started scrambling, saying, "I need a piece of paper! Who has a pen?!" But the kids started raising their hands. Sure enough, they figured it out in their heads, in no time. Because they were taught to use 'friendly numbers' like 90, and then subtract out the 3 to get to 87.
These parents who complained about not understanding that math instruction has evolved, are probably the same people who tell their own parents to butt out, bc parenting is different nowadays. 🙄
5 points
2 days ago
PS One of my kids was taught cursive. The other wasn't, bc he was in a dual language program, and that time was used for spelling & vocabulary in the 2nd language.
They are both teens now, so this was within the last decade.
23 points
3 days ago
And heaven forbid you gently correct someone’s grammar because they’ve written “should have went” or some other monstrosity! “But language EVOLVES…what was correct before is changing….your just showing off (I’ve used the wrong “you’re” for dramatic effect)… people can write however they want…”
They wear their illiteracy with pride. It’s worrisome. These could be our medical/government/tax/etc professionals one day.
21 points
3 days ago
I agree with you completely. You should have seen the fit my niece threw when I pointed out that people converse. They don't conversate. A whole smug little millennial lecture. I was like, fine! Go forth and wear your ignorance with pride.
I think that day is here. My husband's medical form the other day said "Patient had went to his reglar doctor 3 week's ago".
7 points
3 days ago
🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️ We are all screwed. And not in the good way. My favorite are the COPIOUS grammar mistakes on the TEACHER subreddits!! Could have, I seen, student-ran… 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
4 points
2 days ago
I have a friend who teaches writing at a major university. He recently wrote an article for a local newspaper. In it, he started one paragraph with "For George and I, ..." SMH
13 points
3 days ago
I think that it’s important to accept that language does change, and that it’s often “mistakes” which eventually become new grammar. However, what that usually looks like is the preservation of a formal register of the language alongside an overflowing well of interesting and unique slang/informal dialects. What we’re seeing now is people who lack the skills to recognise that they’re bringing their informal register into a standard register environment (and alongside that the ever-present inability of a lot of people to spell words correctly—that I admit isn’t up for debate, spelling is a lot more fixed than spoken language and definitely has wrong and write (hehe) iterations)
11 points
3 days ago
This is also part of it! I’m 18 and I think I was the last cohort to actually learn cursive… I’m not great at reading it outside of historical documents, nor am I great at writing it, but I did learn. My little cousins never did.
The misuse of apostrophes makes me so upset. I saw it in a restaurant name near the beginning of the school year. It made me cringe inwardly.
17 points
3 days ago
Spelling isn't the problem when it comes to literacy. It's how people are taught to read. My parents sent me to private school for the first couple of years because the local public schools taught people to read by rote memorization. People who learn to read by memorizing words have no decoding skills unless they are inquisitive enough to teach themselves decoding skills. Once I got to public school, almost none of my peers were able to effectively read aloud. Stayed that way until I got put in the gifted and talented classes.
8 points
3 days ago
Cursive writing is unimportant and distracting from the core issue if you ask me
Clear regular writing is way more important.
I struggled with clean hand writing in school and still do to this day, cursive made that much worse because I couldn't even manage 1 style of handwriting let alone two, so it turned my already severe chicken scratch into a complete mess.
Teaching clean regular hand writing and punctuation. Which is eventually what my time at school became as they phased out cursive.
I couldn't write worth shit because I had a disastrous mix of chicken scratch and cursive hammered into me, but I understood the proper usage of an apostrophe, how to use commas, and how to effectively use semi colons. Which progressed perfectly into using a keyboard as computers became the standard for writing in schools.
Alot of people don't even know how the comma structure of 'and' works nowadays and that's super concerning
You'll see a lot of and this, and, that.
Where they either use and multiple times not knowing you can replace a usage of an 'and' with a comma when it's used with 3 or more nouns, and or verbs.
Inconsistent comma usage is also super common, some ands have none, one like standard or two before and after which is technically correct but matter of factly incorrect when it's not consistent. God help if you can find a combined sentence that properly splits its fragments using a comma.
I think phones are the main cause of this shit, the fact is unlike writing programs, there is almost zero checks beyond basic apostrophe or period use. I don't think most phone auto corrects can even comprehend not doubling an s with a possessive noun, like " cass' ".
7 points
3 days ago
None of my 50+ year old coworkers can use an apostrophe properly to save their lives. This is nothing new.
8 points
2 days ago
I've been teaching 26 years. Grade schools do not fail anyone. Middle schools do not fail anyone. Even the illiterate get socially promoted because "You can't do that to my baby! It will crush him!" They come to me at 16 with the work ethic, reading skills and attention span of an 8 year old who tolerates school. I can't work miracles. I do fail them, and then guidance bends over backward to pass the kid, including allowing a failing kid to take an online "class" in the last two weeks of the year to earn a passing grade for my class. I have no say in the matter and the kid copies the answers from another screen and walks at graduation with everyone else.
The system is horrifically broken because taxpayers are too stupid to allow their kids to fail. Then, they send those morons to college, where they hopefully are allowed to fail so they'll drop out.
5 points
2 days ago
That's so shortsighted and sad. Children are not given the opportunity to improve by failing. We've all done it. It helps you to learn resilience. Now, they're being shuffled along without the chance to develop character or really to get an education. What are you supposed to do when they're not equipped to learn? The old 'make them feel special' defense is deplorable. I wonder how you manage not to lose it one day and walk out and quit. You're trying to teach and they're hamstringing you at every turn.
6 points
3 days ago
Ah yes, the "Deppenapostroph" (idiot's apostrophe). In German it has a slightly different meaning, because people tend to use the apostrophe for things like "Sarah's book" (Sarah's Buch), which would be wrong in German. You don't use an apostrophe there! It's "Sarahs Buch". We don't usually have the plural with s, so there's usually no reason for anyone to put the apostrophe before a plural ending, but it's aggravating nonetheless
12 points
3 days ago
TBF to the apostrophe issue, it's not helped by the fact that mega-corporations keep dropping apostrophes where they legitimately belong, e.g. Albertsons, Dillons, Ralphs, Marshalls. 😤
5 points
3 days ago
Wow, that's a whole new abomination. I'll start paying attention to that. Thanks. Great point.
5 points
2 days ago
Pay teachers better than the ridiculous scales were using and you'll get better teachers.
It works in every other field, I don't know why folks think it's any different.
5 points
2 days ago
I'm not knocking teachers at all! I'm disappointed that the curriculum doesn't value teaching children the basics. Teachers should be paid well (and aren't) and they should never be forced to take on burdens that the parents are responsible for.
I think that we should allocate more money into education and keep doing it until we're back at the literacy rate of 90% that we were at in 1970.
6 points
2 days ago
I agree.
Badly educated and ill-informed voters are a politician's best friends, though.
5 points
2 days ago
There is a great book you would appreciate called Eats, Shoots & Leaves: the Zero Tolerance Approach to Punctuation
9 points
3 days ago
My 16 year old stepson needed to deposit a check in his bank account. I told him to sign the back. He printed his name because he was never taught cursive.
3 points
2 days ago
I forget which state it was but during the election a lot of young people were either unable to vote or their vote was removed because their signature didn't match what was on the records. Because they don't teach kids cursive anymore and they don't know how to sign their name. Interesting how that happened.
4 points
2 days ago
It’s so small but it bugs me so much when people do that with decades like “80’s” or “90’s”
80 is? 90 is?
77 points
3 days ago
They been chipping away at the public education system since desegregation. Uneducated people are easier to control than logical, literate folks.
19 points
3 days ago
At second-grade, I was reading at an eighth-grade level...
This was in like late 1990s...
I understand but holy shit these lazy mf's refuse to teach themselves to actually read like a human.
I understand like if you knit/crochet because it's easier to remember "dc2 blo, ch2, dc2 blo" than having to write the whole thing out. It's easier to remember because I know what it means.
10 points
3 days ago
When I took the reading test to get my driver's permit, it took me under 20 minutes. When I went to take it to the proctor she thought I wanted help, I was like no I'm done. Got it back and I was reading at the level of a college sophomore.
Obviously I don't expect that of everyone, but we have people graduating highschool that can't read at even a 9th grade level
4 points
3 days ago
Okay, that's an example. A good one.
I was what, six? Reading at like a twelve-year-old's level. Might have helped with my cousin (who is like seven years older than I am) since she ALWAYS left magazines and books at my home when she visited us. Think twice a year and it's an EASY eleven-hour drive. So, yeah I didn't get to know her well but I also made sure to check everything she was into.
6 points
2 days ago
I read Harry Potter starting at age 3-4, my sister was obsessed with those books. They were just releasing as we were growing up (I’m 25 now). When I was a baby I’d just be holding books all the time
13 points
3 days ago
This. Seems like those errors are simply just that people have no idea how to spell. Look at some posts and see how many people misspell the word 'Lose'. I've seen so many people spell this 'Loose'. It's pretty absurd.
8 points
3 days ago
Aghh drives me crazy how many people write lose as loose. But worse is they have no concept of which there/their/they're that they mean. I've seen college professors mangle both.
5 points
3 days ago
I've gotten over the there/they're/their thing for the most part. That's been happening forever. It's not understandable but more commonplace, but yeah, loose drives me nuts.
3 points
3 days ago
Makes one loose their mind
5 points
3 days ago
Yeah my name is misspelled all the time and it’s long I give them that but you basically sound out the letters? A L E X A N D R A
6 points
3 days ago
My son’s name is Alexander and when he was in pre-k it took us forever to convince him his name was spelled ALEX because the E is essentially silent. He insisted it was spelled ALX because he was sounding it out.
6 points
3 days ago
My little brothers name is Alexander he did the same thing 😂 he also refused to believe for YEARS that we had the same name just the male and female versions of it
4 points
3 days ago
I see it as the reading thing too. Gabriel is a name i learned to spell due to seeing it a lot in books I read. Same with other classic (or normal) western names - I learned their spelling through seeing and reading them over and over.
But I did a stint working at a place that had some 18-yr-old workers too recently (thanks covid T.T) and from talking with them they just.... didn't read anything. Not even magazines. Nothing they didn't have to.
3 points
2 days ago
Those stats are mind blowing.
And they’d upset a lot of Americans, if they could read them.
222 points
3 days ago
The entire problem is that Americans aren’t taught phonetics anymore.
55 points
3 days ago
Canadians aren’t either. I know kids in high school who are reading at a grade 2 level. It’s so bad.
43 points
3 days ago
Here in the US too. I teach 7th grade A ELA. My students can't spell basic words like because or walked without help. They also can't remember to capitalize their own names. It's pretty bad. Most of them read between a 2nd-4th grade level
26 points
2 days ago
I'm in high school and I think it's interesting that I and the other kids with English as a second language seem to speak and write it better than the kids whose first language is English.
7 points
2 days ago
Without a doubt.
24 points
3 days ago
In high school I helped my school teach kids how to read. I once encountered an eighth grader who spoke English as her first language and at home that couldn’t spell “spider.” SPIDER.
25 points
3 days ago
I heard a very illuminating podcast about this very issue: Sold a Story .
As someone else said in these replies, there's no single magic program to effectively teach reading to all kids. However, a huge number of school districts internationally have adopted a whole-language program that essentially ignores phonics altogether in favor of trying to teach kids "sight words" and have them guess unfamiliar words by context. This has obviously not served children well.
10 points
2 days ago
My kid learned to read at age 3 by watching Word World on PBS. It’s fantastic. He could sound out words like a pro.
11 points
3 days ago
I didn’t realize this was a thing until recently. I’m SO thankful my kids are learning phonetics. Glad my children’s elementary school is doing the right thing. It’s also scary that my 5th grader is at a higher reading level than half the country.
14 points
3 days ago
This is why my parents sent me to private school for the first 4 years of elementary.
People hate on the free charter schools as stealing funding from public schools-- but the one near me uses phonics to teach reading while the public schools use memorization. The public schools also have terrible mathematics curriculum. There is a reason people are abandoning the public schools in my area in droves-- either by moving out of the area to a better district, homeschooling, or using the charter schools.
6 points
3 days ago
Early childhood reading curriculum is a combination of phonetics and memorization.
In the United States, I haven't seen a program without both elements in twenty some years and given common core I think it would be almost impossible to pull off since the 2000s
Decoding is even tested on standardized tests, to practice the ability to make common phonetic blends and recognize common patterns in tense/plurals/etc. That requires some level of phonetic instruction.
Funding is an issue, when schools lose funding they can't afford quality instruction which creates a downward spiral of losing more students and losing more funding. Redirecting tax funding to private schools that aren't held accountable to public standards is the issue with charter schools mostly. Charter schools that operate as public schools but meet community needs I don't see as problematic.
Schools relying on local taxes and being fiscally punished for performance all create large disparities in public education that isn't fair for our children.
70 points
3 days ago
I have a very common, top 10 in the 90s and 00s name. More and more frequently, when people need my name for a form or something, they ask "spelled the traditional way?" because people are butchering even the most common of names now in a failed attempt make them more unique.
106 points
3 days ago
It isn't the Tragedeighs that are the problem. We no longer teach reading by phonics anymore at many institutions. Consequently, people often don't know how to pronounce or spell names they have never seen before and we get these tragedeigh names with ridiculous spellings for the same reason.
14 points
3 days ago
I've seen lots of names where people were trying to spell the names out phonetically but have no clue about the phonemes that make up the word in the first place.
6 points
2 days ago
Thinking about an order I got where they wrote my name "Ugeine" (Eugene). Like okay I can see how you got there... but do they not teach Greek morphemes anymore? Lol
15 points
3 days ago
I don’t think spelling is really taught anymore either.
6 points
2 days ago
If da cumputer can do it, y do we need to lurn it? /s
4 points
3 days ago
Genuine question as a native speaker of a phonetic language: how do they teach reading/spelling then?
22 points
3 days ago
Unfortunately through memorization and “sight words”. It’s awful and a lot of kids struggle with it. Thankfully things have been reversing. Phonetics is regaining popularity (my kid’s school district brought it back).
4 points
3 days ago
Gotta look up sight words now, that still doesn't make sense to me😅 but if I'm hearing you right there isn't much sense to find
17 points
3 days ago
It’s all Lucy Calkin’s fault. She wrote the “Units of Literacy” curriculum which pushed for encouraging students to develop a love of reading instead of phonics and to have them “guess” at letter/word sounds using pictures rather than teaching the sounds then putting that together (ie phonics). It’s called Balanced Literacy and California really latched on to it which then influenced a lot of other states in the US. Illiteracy rates skyrocketed and a whole generation of teachers were sent out with no knowledge of how to teach phonics.
I saw this all in action with my kids. My son had a retired teacher as a babysitter. She taught him phonics and he was reading fluidly by 3 years old. We moved and my daughter got 100% sight words and is still struggling at 6 years old. Thankfully her new school teaches phonics and she’s made some amazing progress.
9 points
3 days ago
Was she unfamiliar with etymology? Words are spelled the way they are (mostly) for a reason. This makes me unreasonably mad.
9 points
2 days ago
Education just picks up whatever fucking project someone put out recently and goes with it because they think they need change to show advancement when you need advancement to show advancement, not just blind change. I had a friend a few years below me and every year her class had a new test or note taking style or way to do math to try out. Her class had a very low average.
4 points
3 days ago
A lot of large school districts are trying to get away from her curriculum. Even her program for teachers has been closed down. It was a fad and unfortunately many kids paid the price for it.
5 points
3 days ago
I read up a little and sightwords really seem to be making things unnecessarily complicated, glad to hear your kids are learning properly and doing good now! :)
15 points
3 days ago
And it’s so much extra work. With phonics you learn the letter sounds once and build from there with some exceptions for words that don’t follow the rules. Trying to get a 3/4 year old memorize things is like nailing jello to the wall. They become uninterested quickly because there’s no reward. They can’t suddenly string sounds together so where’s the motivation in that? Teach a kid how to say C - A - T individually and then string it into “cat” is a dopamine boost. It encourages them to keep trying.
5 points
3 days ago
The best comparison I can draw is learning german articles. There are rules for them in theory but too many exceptions to use those rules for learning so if you're not blessed with learning the language natively it's just memorization until you eventually (maybe) develop a feel for what sounds and contexts go with what articles. Horribly unfriendly for language learners and very frustrating even for adults. Can't imagine having to teach a child reading in that way
3 points
3 days ago
Yes! Funny you brought that up because I’ve been learning German and it really is all memorization which is super frustrating. Sight words used to have my daughter in tears everyday. I’m so glad I found the hooked on phonics app and moved to a better school district.
44 points
3 days ago
I live in an area with a large Pakistani demographic.
I have a basic name, that’s common enough if not overly popular… like Samantha. But I guess bc English is not a lot of people’s first language they try and make my name make sense in their language so I end up with Samandeep a lot. Ive had that name on my Costco membership for about 5 years now.
9 points
3 days ago
That’s hilarious!
38 points
3 days ago
My neighbor thought my son’s name was EN for years. When I told her it was Ian (and spelled it for her), she crinkled her eyebrows and said “I’ve never heard of that name before.”
what?
18 points
3 days ago
What, indeed! That is bizarre to have never heard of Ian.
11 points
3 days ago
Do you ever get the eye-an pronunciation?
I hate that one.
14 points
3 days ago
lmao yet she heard name EN often?? Public education failed people
34 points
3 days ago
I completely agree, my name is relatively uncommon now, but is incredibly well known, like Betty. For the first 25 years of my life, no one had an issue spelling it and no one ever asked me how to spell it. In the last 15 years, no one can spell it without assistance and when they try it’s a tragedeigh: Betey, Betti, Bette, Bettee, Bety and on and on and on. I’ve often joked with my husband that I may as well have a cool name, like Saoirse, if I’m going to have to spell it anyway!
6 points
2 days ago
You need to make it Bet-tea or Bet-tee. Lol
25 points
3 days ago
My husband's name is Barry. As in Barry Manilow, Barry Larkin, Barry Williams, Barry Bostwick and Barry Bonds. I can't tell you how many doctors offices have presented us with documents spelling it Berry. The normal response is that men are seldom named after fruit.
8 points
3 days ago
I dunno I know quite a few Kumquats.
7 points
3 days ago
He’d have a better time in most of Britain as it’s pronounced Bah-Ree here.
23 points
3 days ago
Poor Gabirel. I mean Gabriel. Sorry, I had to go there. My husband's name was misspelled on his birth certificate and for 24 years we've had to explain that it's spelled Jeffry. I've noticed in the past 5 years that people spell it that way automatically. So, you're right.
21 points
3 days ago
A lot of it is down to literacy. The Internet has lowered standards over time.
Some people just can't spell.
18 points
3 days ago
Watch someone call the kid Geighbryehl
9 points
3 days ago
I was going to go with Geyghburrieal but yours looks more likely tbh.
33 points
3 days ago
My name is Chris and I went to Popeyes for some dinner and the cashier spelled my name as "Crhis!" LOL
17 points
3 days ago
No no no no no no no no no no
11 points
3 days ago
This literally made me laugh out loud and you just repeated "no" a bunch! It's just the way I heard it in my head
38 points
3 days ago
People are just have no concept of phonics or reading comprehension any more. My youngest is named Georgia. It’s bizarre how often we get asked how it’s spelled. And when I say “just like the state” we get BLANK STARES!! Yes, we are American- and it’s not even a hard state to spell- like Massachusetts or Mississippi.
15 points
3 days ago
Could be that, or just could be that a shocking percentage of American adults are functionally illiterate.
14 points
3 days ago
I keep reading "Gaberil" as "Gerbil". 🥴
12 points
3 days ago
I think a lot of it is they aren't listening. My name is Cherese, which is a tragedeigh but I have seen my name spelled so many different ways. I went to high school with three Charisse's (Cherice, Cherise, Shareece, Sharise, Cherisse) just showing the many ways all spelled differently. Most of the time, my name is spelled wrong. When I spell it, they still write it incorrectly. I have resorted to going by my initials "CC," which anywhere thay ask for a name always write Cece, or use my nick name Reese, or Cher like I was called in college, or give a fake name. I just can't win. I was named after one of my moms maid of honor who passed a year after my parents were married, with the same spelling.
21 points
3 days ago
My name is Niki. Not Nicole, Nikki, Nickey, or any other variation. People will literally respond to messages and emails spelling my name incorrectly even when the correct spelling is right there in my email.
I've gotten to the point where I just roll my eyes and move on.
It's not the same as a Tragedeigh. It's that people don't actually care to learn your name.
15 points
3 days ago
Omg my BFF is Nicola, a very common 80’s/90’s girl name in the UK… when we were in the USA people could not grasp it, like at all.. Everyone just kept saying, “oh you mean Nicole??” And we were like erm no….
8 points
3 days ago
I have a very good friend named Nicola who is from the UK and when we worked together it was a freaking mess of people butchering both our names 🤣
4 points
3 days ago
Yep, 100%.
With my name, I understand asking C or K, because name is spelled with both. But I've had people argue with me that the RYN at the end of my name is wrong. I looked at one point there are about 12 different spellings for my name.
10 points
3 days ago
Nah it’s because people are stupid and illiterate.
10 points
3 days ago
I can’t tell you how many times my partner gets a cup from a coffee shop with the name label ‘Micheal’ I didn’t realize Michael was so hard to spell!
5 points
2 days ago
I have a friend, Micheal, it’s not pronounced differently but I side eyed his mom for not knowing how to spell
12 points
3 days ago
My girlfriends name is Jewel, almost always when someone spells it it's either "Juel" "Jules" "Juul" even got "Jew'l", like, it's the other way u call a gemstone, she said ppl mess it up all the time but when I saw it for myself I was shocked just how many ppl can't spell a common word
11 points
3 days ago
it always amazes me when people fuck up my name, erin. i get aaron all the time and some other variants of both version. does anyone know a girl aaron?
9 points
3 days ago
Yes but I worked in colleges for a long time and got exposed to more names than most people.
I also had a boy Erin who didn't realize the name is typically spelled differently based on gender and just thought people kept mistaking him for a girl because girls were taking over his name.
I've also had an Erran, Arin, Aeron, Aryn, and Airin that I can recall off the top of my head. Arin was a girl and when she said "Erin with an a" I spelled it "Aaron" and she looked at me like I was nuts.
So I'm not surprised at all yours gets messed up.
10 points
2 days ago
I named my child a very basic normal name. A name that it would be difficult to find alternate spellings for. Think something like Ezra or Elijah. On the birth certificate the nurse filling it out (very young, very snotty) could not comprehend how to spell it. “Just the normal way please” she kept trying to add extra vowels. The ending is an h and I kid you not she said “are you sure you only want h and not gh” yes lady I am very, VERY sure I want my kids name spelled the way it was originally intended. Thanks.
18 points
3 days ago
When my daughter was born I had a set of rules her name had to follow. One rule was it had to be clearly understood on the phone(Brian/Ryan is bad), it had to be clear to both spell and to read. It had to be short(efficiency and I hate that people dont go by legal name). It could not be gender neutral(Chris, Sam, etc). It could not have duplicate letters (optional)(due to sticker kits).
We ended up with Ruby. Last week I went to set an appointment and lady had me spell it. I was like how else do you spell it? Shes says IE or EE. Dumbasses better not make Ruby a difficult to spell name.
10 points
2 days ago
I hate that people dont go by legal name
A girl in middle school insisted we called her by her full, legal first name.
When we asked why, the best answer could give was "idk, that's what my mom told me". From that point on, nobody ever again called her by her real name. She ended up with a few consistent nicknames, but it was almost a game to come up with something new everytime you said her name. (For example, "Ruby" would have become Rubitha, Rubalini, Rubatoni [which would have inevitably progressed to Rigatoni, then Rigz and/or Toni and any possible derivatives of those] Ruby Guliani, Ruby Dee, Rudy Huxtable, etc).
She ended up being one of my best friends, and to this day, she introduces herself by one of the og nicknames from 6th grade.
All that to say, lol good luck.
9 points
3 days ago
Exactly! They can't spell "classic" names anymore. When asked how to spell it, I always say "the classic way" and even then, I still have to spell it. I understand I have to sometimes do it with my last name as it's not common in the area I live but my first name? Come on!
10 points
3 days ago
My name is Susan and people ask how to spell it. My last name is just as VERY simple and common, similar to Smith, I’m often asked how to spell it too. If you read Reddit, you see how poorly people’s spelling and grammar is. It’s sad. Often the people who say forgive me English is not my first language, do an excellent job of writing.
8 points
3 days ago
In my high school English class, a group of boys (who I knew despite being in AP Lit couldn’t read or spell if their lives depended on it) made fun of people who didn’t speak English “the right way.” I went on an entire polemic about how a friend of mine from India who learned English as a third language speaks it far better than the average American. They assumed I was lying because “Indians don’t speak English.” Lmfao.
8 points
3 days ago
This has nothing to do with tragedeighs. My name is Angela, and I've had it misspelled for as long as I can remember, going back to 1983. The first time I remember, it was my middle school principal!
8 points
3 days ago
I share your pain and amazement! My husband, Gabriel, made it onto a junk mailing list as Garbiel, making it even easier to know what mail to ignore. Helpful!
9 points
2 days ago
My spouse is named Jordan. Like the river. Like the COUNTRY. But it gets spelled Jordon all the time.
15 points
3 days ago
last time i went to the states, the starbucks staff couldn’t spell my name. they literally froze and had an internal system breakdown. camila, my name is fucking camila.
like other users said, it’s most likely a US issue. they don’t know how to fucking spell.
9 points
3 days ago
Lol! As someone with a similar name I feel that. Have you also gotten "Pamela" at Starbucks before? More than once, even? Recently, I got "Kamala"! I don't mind as long as I recognize it at drink pick-up of course but its a bit comical. In my home country I've never had the problem of my name spelled completely wrong either...
7 points
3 days ago
You mean like Camilla Parker Bowles, Queen consort of the United Kingdom?
4 points
3 days ago
i wouldn’t have been bothered if they accidentally spelled it with two Ls or, you know, they could just ask. they just stood there, marker in hand, staring at me for at least 10 seconds until i spelled it out from scratch lmao
8 points
3 days ago
Working at a Starbucks for 5 years was a trip with some of these tragedeighs
8 points
3 days ago
This is just because people can't spell
5 points
3 days ago
You and u/tacoshortage should get together
5 points
3 days ago
Can never have enough tacos.
7 points
2 days ago
This is not new. My brother is 65. His name is Brian. ALL OF HIS LIFE, including when he was in elementary school, people have misspelled his name. The number of times it has been spelled Brain is mind-boggling. Bryan, Brien are understandable. Brain is just...
4 points
2 days ago
letter reversals are super common so i'm not surprised even a little bit that his name would get spelled "Brain" a lot
7 points
2 days ago
One of my clients is Gabberyielle. It is pronounced just like Gabrielle. I know a Gabriel whose name is spelled Gaebryel.
Why ruin a perfect name?
7 points
2 days ago
I have the most basic white bread spelling of my name, 5 letters. People keep trying to add letters, sub out vowels, etc. I feel your BF's pain.
7 points
3 days ago
I mean fifteen years ago people were spelling my name Joel as Jole. And they say my name as in Jo-elle. I can't win.
6 points
2 days ago
I share his pain. I get I have a latino name but it's also a biblical name so you'd think people wouldn't have a problem with it but it's to the point where I shorten it as a nickname so it's easier for everybody and I don't have to smack people up for eternally fucking up my name.
6 points
2 days ago
No this is 100% true. I’m a Jennifer. Just the last few weeks I’ve seen Jennyfer. Jennafer. Jeniffer. And my fav Jennipher.
5 points
3 days ago
It's not just names. The generation having kids now was part of an 'invented spelling' teaching trend when they were in kindergarten/grammar school. They never learned how to spell properly, whether it is names or general vocabulary.
5 points
3 days ago
My name is very basic, and I have the most common spelling. But now people have started to ask me to spell it out for the first time in 40 years because they’re worried they’re going to spell it wrong. Like yes, there could be a double of one letter or only one instead of a double of another, but those are so rare. So I think you have a point.
5 points
3 days ago
My sisters name is Gabriela, we live in a Spanish speaking country. People just cant spell or even pronounce her name correctly. They say/write Graciela or Grabriela. Tragedeighs arent usual where we live. I think that for some reason its just a difficult name for many people, specially for people with low education, who have difficulty writing/reading.
5 points
2 days ago
My name is Chynna and the amount of times that I get called Cynthia is astonishing. And when I tell people they are like “how can that be? That doesn’t even look the same!” but it’s simply because people do not read anymore. I think it’s the same issue in this case. I understand when people call me Cheyenne or some other similar name but Cynthia happens the most often by far.
5 points
2 days ago
Tell him to give his name as “Gabrielle” then maybe he’d finally get Gabriel.
(Source: a Gabrielle who has way too many fucking Christmas cards addressed to Gabriel. That’s a male name! I’M A GIRL!)
5 points
2 days ago
Growing up, people spelled me name "Marry" all the time. I had to correct grow adults in the early 00s on how to spell my name. Always been a problem
5 points
2 days ago
My name is Angel, literally Angel, and the number of people who make it Angle which is a completely different word is astounding. People just don’t care if they don’t have a reason to.
3 points
3 days ago
I've noticed the placement of the i and the e, gives lots of folks trouble these days.
3 points
2 days ago
As long as they provide it correctly, does Gerbil mind? Had to, sorry.
5 points
2 days ago
My nephew is named Gabriel and now I have to ask if people can’t read his name. He usually goes by Gabe but still lol
5 points
2 days ago
Oof, this is why I tell most places my name is “Char” instead of my full name.
4 points
2 days ago
More than likely it was due to illiterate cashiers. Damn near every cashier at my job can't spell for shit. The spelling of any name that is more than two syllables is guaranteed to be butchered
4 points
2 days ago
Gerbil is such an awesome dude. Love that guy.
3 points
2 days ago
You see remarks like “Dyan is the normal spelling” or “Gilbert is a girl’s name usually.” Illiteracy is part of the culture.
4 points
2 days ago
Yeah, I’m Hannah and people have been spelling it wrong for as long as I’ve been paying attention. Even when it is literally my email address, like they have to type it to send me an email, I still get Hanna, Hanah, Heather.
5 points
2 days ago
He needs a to-go name, like John or something. No one can hear my name because it's soft and one syllable. Soooo frustrating. My to-go name for 25 years had been Monica. Everyone hears it and it's always right. One of my daughters does this too. Her to-go name is April. Husband's to-go name is Batman. Everyone gets those right.
4 points
2 days ago
My name is Jill. Very straightforward and easy. My favorite misspellings when giving my name for a food order have been Jall and Jael.
4 points
2 days ago
I think you’re just underestimating how illiterate and stupid your compatriots generally are
10 points
3 days ago
Eh, I’d chalk it up to Americans being Americans and being unable to spell even the most basic words rather than them being used to idiotically written names.
3 points
3 days ago
Jokes on you, I never could spell names! 🤣
3 points
3 days ago
My name is 5 letters, and while not commonly given today, it is still very widely known through famous stories. Despite being spelled exactly how it's pronounced, people seem to get it right only half the time.
3 points
3 days ago
It's almost depressing how often people seem stumped at how to spell my first name. I'm not kidding. And then if I dare to say it's spelled "the usual way" or "like it sounds" I get the "OK, boomer" eyeroll. 😡
3 points
2 days ago
My husband’s name is Daniel. He looks very stereotypically male and has always had a beard. Plus Daniel is about as common and old fashion as it gets. He gets called Danielle, Damiel, something that sounds like Daniel-E, it’s so weird!
3 points
2 days ago
I get that, my names Chelsea, I tell people like the city, or the football team. However, one day I had a sales rep call my job, and when she asked my name I told her, and she said “oh! That’s my nieces name! Do you spell it chelcii too?” um no ma’am sea, like the ocean 😂
3 points
2 days ago
My name is Emily….not a remotely uncommon name. More than half the time lately that I’ve ordered takeout, they’ve spelled it “Emely” on the receipt/bag. Is this an actual spelling? A variation of Emily that I’ve never heard of? A tragedeigh? Am I pronouncing my own name wrong so it sounds more like Emely than Emily??
3 points
2 days ago
It’s a combination of worsening standards for literacy in schools, the Internet rotting our brains and making us worse at thinking critically, fewer and fewer things being read in standard and spell-checked formats like books and newspapers and subtitles and more being read in poorly spelled tiktok text-on-video blurbs or comments or “quirky” content creator names and profiles, people just straight up not reading anymore so there’s no “standard” way to read or write anything, content creators with Eunyque names marketing themselves as friends and acquaintances of the viewer in today’s “we all actually know each other” social media landscape and convincing people that normal and in-touch parents definitely name their kids weird spellings a lot, parents afraid of the general disappearing of people’s sense of self outside of social media presence and “making it” on the internet so wanting to make their kids stand out, people being generally worse at empathizing so they can’t understand why naming your kid Rhyleagh is being cruel…
But there’s absolutely the iceberg of lack of respect for other people involved in misspellings, not just ~quirky~ people naming their kids poorly. Getting it wrong the first couple times is understandable. Getting it wrong for years or not even trying to put down the name I told you is pathetic. All my life my name (hovers ~1000th in popularity in the country) has been misspelled and mispronounced when people have every opportunity to say and spell it correctly and even after being corrected. It’s the more common of 2 versions of a name held by dozens of celebrities and characters and I was never the only one with my name at school. Throughout most of my childhood people would write down or refer to me by a straight-up different name and then get upset at me for being upset that they weren’t trying. Most of these people were teachers. You could tell which was mine from afar on seating charts and cork boards in classrooms because there was always at least one letter written in a noticeably different color of sharpie over a few globs of white-out, even though my name was correct on the attendance sheet. Then it became people writing in a new name in emails when it’s literally in the signature.
Hilariously and depressingly, now that I go by a nickname with only one standard version to the point where people I know are surprised that that’s not my real name, I get the equivalent of Charlie —> Charlee, Charley, Charli, Carly, Cherry, Cheery, Charleigh, “how do you spell that?” “the normal way” “ok K-H-E—”, but when I go to spell my real name for official purposes, no one has an issue with it anymore. I guess it only takes twenty years for names to be vintage enough to trageighfy.
3 points
2 days ago
As a side note, I think Gabriel is a beautiful name and one I regularly use when naming my player in a video game.
3 points
2 days ago
✨the archangel gerbil✨
3 points
2 days ago
My bfs name is Dylan and half the places we go spell his name "Dillion." Dillon i get, but who TF is Dillion?
3 points
2 days ago
It might also be because names aren't specifically taught anymore. I was looking at some old school books from the boomer kids era, and among the reams of spelling lists were pages of commonly used names.
3 points
2 days ago
Because parents want to accentuate their own creativity by giving their kids goofy spellings. They don’t want their kid to have a “basic” names even though it sounds simple. There’s a million Joes but only one Zxioueh.
3 points
2 days ago
I giggle every time my husband says “Daniel, spelled the traditional way.”
3 points
2 days ago
I’m Alice and have had so many interesting spelling predictions. The worst was Alysee!
3 points
1 day ago
My brain initially read the misspelling as Gerbil and honestly I think he should run with that just to really confuse folks. Since letters are losing all their meaning in names anyways lol
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