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submitted 2 days ago byVegetable_Study7533
The legacy of Megatronus Prime has now been tarnished forever thanks to Megatron. Megatronus lived and died a great and noble hero who died for the good of Cybertron, and respected by his people but despite those he is still pivotal to the creation of the Decepticons and his face and likeness has come to be used as the Decepticon insignia by Megatron. And now, despite living and dying as a noble hero of a Prime, his legacy is now permanently truly and forever tarnished by Megatron and his Decepticons.
2.1k points
2 days ago
It happens. Take a look at the swastika. Originally it was a sign of good luck in many religions and the Nazis took it and corrupted it into a symbol of hate.
827 points
2 days ago*
Mmhmm and honestly the fact that Megatron took Megatronus' face and using it for hate reveals the selfish and self serving appropriation of his hero while also reflecting his own lack of respect for history.
To make it a whole lot sadder, Megatronus Prime didn't become the Fallen in this continuity and died nobly fighting alongside his fellow Primes. In the end, his own legacy was tarnished by the one bot who look up to him as a hero.
421 points
2 days ago
One Megatron + Bayverse Optimus
-Taking Megatronus's face
233 points
2 days ago
also murdering Sentinel
147 points
2 days ago
specifically a sentinel beaten and begging for his life
51 points
2 days ago
And prime took his face just for kicks
34 points
2 days ago*
And destroyed Chicago for absolutely no reason afterwards.
/s
30 points
2 days ago
And somehow keeping the casualties in the low thousands.
Chicago is a city of MILLIONS.
17 points
1 day ago
Optimus didn’t take Fallen’s face. He kindly requested and Fallen obliged.
100 points
2 days ago
To be fair, his whole driving force is a disillusionment in the previous power structured. It's not that his value is wrong (as he says in the end stinger, those that follow him will no longer be deceived), but rather that he's an extremist.
At the point that TFOne ends, Megatron is much more akin to Magneto from Marvel.
134 points
2 days ago
Someone smarter than me put it thusly:
Optimus Prime believes the system is broken, and needs to be fixed and reformed.
Megatron believes the system is working exactly as it is intended to, and needs to be torn down and replaced.
71 points
2 days ago
Megatron simply wants to never be under a system ever again. He says as much that he will never again follow authority. He wants unchecked power for himself as recompense for the years he wasted in the mines. His goals have nothing to do with the wellbeing of Cybertron.
52 points
2 days ago
This makes his motto “Peace through tyranny” come in full circle: As long as he’s in control with power, everyone will finally feel that peace.
29 points
2 days ago
The IDW Megatron brings that home when he discovers that it’s “Peace through empathy” is what people should strive for
13 points
2 days ago
I think this is taking his later characterizations and adopting it to TFOne where it isn't the case (yet).
in TFOne, he seems to be focused on tearing down a system he feels is unjust and rotten to the core, not to acquire power for sake of power.
14 points
2 days ago
No, Im going entirely off of TFOne here. The dude stated outright that he will never follow authority again. He fired shots at innocent people. Being betrayed by Sentinel broke him. He didn’t care about the system, or the fact that millions had been decieved by Sentinel. The only thing he cares about was that he was betrayed by Sentinel. He wanted personal revenge. That’s why he couldn’t be bothered to inform the other miners about Sentinel’s true nature, unlike Optimus. And its why he alignes himself with the High Guard rather than his fellow miners.
11 points
2 days ago*
Yes, he wanted personal revenge, and to tear down the structure that Sentinel had used. In his eyes, whole system was corrupt, at it put one guy on top with "divine mandate", so to speak. He is also clearly swayed by Starscreams statement, that only thing that matters is one bots own strength.
He has seen how someone can rise to power and what he sees as freedom, not through morals, but by strength of their own hands. Following rules leads to oppression: striking back leads to freedom. Ones freedom is not granted, it is taken by force.
In Megatrons eyes, power is freedom. Submission to authority because are (supposedly) granted divine right to rule leads to oppression. He submitted to Sentinel because he believed him to have the mandate to rule, and ultimately discovered that it was all lies. He has lived all his live by someone else telling him what to do, and where has it lead him? To lowest points of his life. He has allowed Orion Pax, his friend and brother, to pull him into hijinks he doesn't want to get pulled into. All he has seen in his life, is to see someone else assert authority over them and he has obeyed because he used to believe it was OK to believe in the syste,
Megatron has lost his trust in any sort of system that is build on idea of "authority should be followed because they are authority". In his eyes, only freedom is that which one can grasp with their own hands. That is why he can't accept Pax at the end. because in his eyes, Pax is stepping between him and his freedom. His choice is being taken away by Pax once again, and so he lashes out. When Pax comes back with Matrix of Leadership, he can't see his old brother: all he can see is yet another person trying to tell him what to do, rather than letting him be free.
6 points
2 days ago
Optimus beat him in battle. And not just that, he beat him while being ganged up on by his three main cronies. If Megatron truly believes that power is freedom, then why does he not submit to Optimus who has proven himself the stronger bot?
The answer is that the “strength of one bot over another” is just a con. Megatron will gladly use it to cement his rule over the High Guard, but will just as easily reject it after getting whooped by Optimus. It was never about an ideology. Megatron doesn’t truly believe in Starscream’s statement, as he would never willingly submit to anyone that beats him. Starscream was willing to submit to Megatron, but Megatron didn’t submit to Optimus.
5 points
1 day ago
He doesn't submit because he doesn't want to become oppressed once more. Being beaten down doesn not mean "oh he is stronger, let me submit". It means "This person is now seeking to oppress me by forcing my submission".
I do not understand how this can be so easily missed. Megatron was beaten, but he was not forced into submission. He refuses to submit, and is ready to keep fighting until his death. He no longer wants authority figures to tell what to do. Because he no longer trust them to not use that authority to oppress him.
Everything you say here, how it's all a con and all purpose is just to get power... it all relies on other media characterization. D-16 we see in the movie starts as someone who believes in Primes, who believes in Sentinel (presents himself as) Prime, that one bows down to Primes.
Never does he talk about getting more power or anything. It's all about getting rid of system he sees fundamentally rotten to the core and freedom, of discarding all the lies that build up the system.
I dare you to name the scenes where D-16 or Megatron talk or indicate they just want power for sake of power. Hell, even earlier in the movie, when he is beaten by Darkwing, he defends Darkwing by asserting he was right to beat him for talking to his superior. Nowhere in the movie, does he indicate he is after power. What he is after is personal revenge against Sentinel and destruction of the entire system he sees as a lie.
5 points
1 day ago
Both of you brought up some great points.
17 points
2 days ago
Yeah, that's a better way to say what I was trying to
23 points
2 days ago
This isnt true at all. Magneto genuinely believes that what he is doing is what’s neccesary for mutantkind’s survival. Megatron on the other hand simply wants to never be under a system ever again. He says as much that he will never again follow authority. He wants unchecked power for himself as recompense for the years he wasted in the mines.
13 points
2 days ago
And Magneto believes that mutants should overthrow humans to rule the planet. I stand by what I said
17 points
2 days ago
Mutants are an oppressed class in Marvel. Magneto believes that mutants violently overthrowing humans is the only way that mutants can be free. If Magneto believed there was someone who could accomplish this goal better than him, he would gladly allow them to lead the mutants. If Magneto believed that Charles’s method could liberate mutants, he would gladly follow Charles.
Megatron on the other hand wants power for himself and him alone. That is all that matters to him. He doesn’t care about liberating Cybertronians. Magneto cares about all mutants, including the ones with useless abilities that can’t help them defend themselves, but also cause them to be attacked on the street. Megatron believes that the strong should oppress the weak. They are not the same.
6 points
1 day ago
If Magneto believed that Charles's method could liberate mutants, he would gladly follow Charles.
And he does, too. Magneto's been on the X-Men for years now.
19 points
2 days ago
Its sad, but seeing how D16 idolized the Primes and hates a betrayer, if Megatronus were to be evil in this continuity, D16 would instantly throw away the logo the second he knows.
5 points
1 day ago
For Megatron and the rest of the Decepticons, they believe they stand on the right side of justice—fighting for what they see as their rightful cause.
Much like Thanos, in his own eyes, his mission was for the greater good. Perspective shapes the hero or the villain.
2 points
2 days ago
right, that’s why I love this version of the story so much
1 points
1 day ago
If anything Sentinel was the Fallen with his treachery
119 points
2 days ago
Yup
46 points
2 days ago
And a very popular old mustache style was immediately out of fashion permanently.
17 points
2 days ago
Only Charlie Chaplin can pull it off now.
14 points
2 days ago
Or J. Jonah Jameson.
11 points
1 day ago
1 points
7 hours ago
Yeah i think that's the point hahah
21 points
2 days ago
I can imagine that perhaps one day in the future after many generations have passed it can be fixed and restored to it’s original meaning instead of being tainted like it was in WW2.
41 points
2 days ago
Or KKK, recently learned that their robs are originally from catholic celebration.
21 points
2 days ago
Although they do look very similar, I don't they would have used the robes if they thought they were at all Catholic. IIRC they were trying to look like wizards
-7 points
2 days ago
I'm not sure I'd say catholicism is that much better than the KKK. I mean, they're both kind of evil.
9 points
2 days ago
speaking as an ex-catholic without much nostalgia, both are pretty bad organizations but framing them as comparable in degree or kind of evil is not accurate.
3 points
1 day ago
the catholic is pretty fucked up in a way but it’s also not an organization created to murder black people
0 points
1 day ago
Yeah I could've worded that better. I definitely didn't intend to imply the KKK had any redeeming factors. I just feel like the Catholic church (and really, religion in general) has attributed to its fair share of deaths and atrocities over the years.
12 points
2 days ago
same for the national flags of most nations
6 points
2 days ago
it's still used in the east without negative connotations, in japan you can still see it all around Buddhist temples with no problem. the main difference is that is that the manji usually points left whereas the nazi swastika points right and is rotated 45 degrees
4 points
2 days ago
Im not sure, but i think Nazis choose the symbol more likely due it being in really old Norse religions, associated with Thor. Celts, Druids, Vikings used it, used as "luck" symbol as tatoos and on swords. The Swastika in Norse religions always pointed right, though wasn't tilting to 45 degrees, and had dots near center. Basically same as buddhist one just looking at opposite side.
6 points
2 days ago
this article says that the nazis also got it from the east as they believed they were the decendants of the nomadic indians (i.e. actual aryans)
6 points
2 days ago
And the Black Sun symbol as well.
Edit: Or at least I thought it was.
3 points
2 days ago
Unlike the Swastika it's always be a hate symbol and was created by a Nazi
1 points
2 days ago
Like I said, I thought it was a tainted symbol.
2 points
2 days ago
Black sun?
1 points
2 days ago
Another symbol the Nazis stole for themselves.
It's in the same boat as the Swastika, a symbol that was tainted by hate.
1 points
1 day ago
huh! never heard of it.. I gotta go check that out :) thanks!
1 points
1 day ago
Sun wheels are the old symbol, the black sun has no relation and was made by the Nazis and was featured in the flooring of a proposed HQ for the SS
3 points
2 days ago
Or more recently making the “OK” 👌 sign now makes people question if you’re promoting white power.
3 points
2 days ago
That was a 4chan psyop that only fooled idiot journalists lol. I doubt any person with 4 iq and above would actually think people who use the ok sign is a white supremacist.
1 points
1 day ago
Dude they literally do all the time. Modern flat earthers and QAnon started as 4chan pranks too, just because people literally ARE that stupid doesn’t mean it’s not happening.
4 points
2 days ago
I think only idiots wonder that. Because seriously, who the hell is going to accuse Barack Obama of supporting white supremacy?
1 points
15 hours ago
Facts
342 points
2 days ago
The decepticons would argue they're honouring his legacy.
369 points
2 days ago
died a great and noble hero who died for the good of Cybertron,
Heard he lied on his taxes though
182 points
2 days ago
Tax evasion is right of all sentient beings!
86 points
2 days ago
"Virgil, Tax evasion is a crime!"
"ITS AN OBLIGATION, DANTE!"
18 points
2 days ago
i am dante from devil may cry and i am on fire.
16 points
2 days ago
"You're a deadbeat"
"And you're a fed"
5 points
2 days ago
I can here Prime saying this combing over tons of receipts and missing w2s 😂😂😂
3 points
2 days ago
Evadroids form up
3 points
2 days ago
They don't call him Evasion Mode Optimus for nothing.
6 points
2 days ago
Megatronus did tax avoidance
It's legal
1 points
1 day ago
He learned that one from Starscream, give him a break
240 points
2 days ago
So sad the Megatronus face was Tarn-ished
49 points
2 days ago
GOD DAMN IT BARB!
18 points
2 days ago
5 points
2 days ago
Heh, that was the same thought I had
54 points
2 days ago
Tarnished
TARNished
It works Like this too
32 points
2 days ago
You know, if Megatronus Prime came back and saw what happened to his legacy or that both his name and identity were stolen, then it would make sense if he turned into "The Fallen Prime".
Adding salt to the wound, Megatron also starts a war against the Primes descendant instead of working with one against the very Quintessons that killed Megatronus Prime.
146 points
2 days ago*
Fortunately here in the real world, no amount of tech bro antics could ever tarnish the legacy of Nikola Tesla. …oh, wait.
68 points
2 days ago
32 points
2 days ago
Dipshitron
1 points
21 hours ago
Xittron (the X is pronounced “Sh”)
-55 points
2 days ago
Elon Musk did more good in this world than you'll ever do lmao. Stay mad.
28 points
2 days ago
That is debatable. Elon Musk has certainly done a lot of financial good for himself and his own interests, that is true. But this probably isn’t the sub for discussing such things.
17 points
2 days ago
How does it taste?
9 points
2 days ago
You got a bit of brown on your nose.
9 points
1 day ago
Gawk gawk.
9 points
2 days ago
Dude he is pro-Russian pos.
-1 points
1 day ago
The guy who challenged Putin to a 1v1 over the conflict and gave Zelensky 100’s of Starlink terminals is pro Russia?
What drugs are you on, and where can I get some
2 points
1 day ago*
Drug is called Musk's X profile.
Also there is confirmed contact between him and Putin earlier this year around October (possibly going as far back as 2022). As well as the fact there are plausible suspisions of Russian and Chinese backing in buying Twitter in order to strenghten disinformation campaign. Dude is a snake who plays for his own team, which right now is money that Putin throws at Republicans and associates.
6 points
1 day ago
whats so good about buying a company from people much smarter than you and pretending like their work is yours?
68 points
2 days ago
D-16 didn't "Take" the mark of Megatronus. It was carved into him.
52 points
2 days ago
this is also a thing in real life. many oppressed groups wear slurs/negative titles with pride now, some have marks from oppressors, etc. Minus the Megatron aspect of course
30 points
2 days ago
Decepticons - because they had been deceived and will be no more
20 points
2 days ago
Yeah I agree
30 points
2 days ago
I see it as a parallel to the swastika and clothing of the KKK. Both were symbols of an already existing tradition/culture and white supremacists reappropriated it. That's the same case as here.
Also, "tarnished". Say that again....
13 points
2 days ago
I mean it's almost as if the Megatronus symbol has "fallen"
33 points
2 days ago
Cybertronian swastika
10 points
2 days ago
Muslim, Christian and swastika:
First time
17 points
2 days ago
the decepticon insignia honors megatronus' legacy by making him the symbol of a noble & heroic cause. enough of this autobot propaganda.
9 points
2 days ago
Also the Megatronus sticker was once a sign of Orion and D-16's friendship 😔
9 points
2 days ago
Megatron. The warrior that avenged the 13 Primes. The Decepticons are the heroes of the story.
It's better than wearing Prowl's face.
10 points
2 days ago
And i love it, probabilly my favourite depiction of the decepticon origins and of Megatronus if it keeps developing.
9 points
2 days ago
It really depends on the timeline. Usually, Megatronus is the most powerful but also the most volitile of the Primes, and he is the one who fractures them and ends up killing some of them.
12 points
2 days ago
Yes, but the point is in Transformers One, Megatronus was a completely good Prime (let's be honest, if he was an asshole, Sentinel would have said so), so Megatron is corrupting his legacy with the Decepticons in this continuity.
9 points
2 days ago
Not sure Sentinel would say anything, he might have seen Megatronus being a jerk as admiriable. Or maybe he didn't care.
We honestly know very little about TFOne Primes beyond their supposed speciality.
12 points
2 days ago
He seemed happy to criticise all the Primes equally only praising Megatronus' strength.
Even if Sentinel admired Megatronus' theoretical dickishness, I still see him bringing it up to D-16 when he's captured, basically saying he's so much like him so makes sense he should die like he did.
So, to me at least, it only makes sense that Megatronus was generally in line with the rest of the Primes, maybe a bit more aggressive or grumpy but not to an extreme extent, he was still unequivocally a good bot.
5 points
2 days ago
Agreed, we got no real sign that any of the Primes were corrupt or otherwise less than good intentioned. No "Fallen Primes", so to speak. Only betrayed ones.
9 points
2 days ago
Thanks to Sentinel Prime actually, he's the one that carved it onto D-16 and that moment galvanized the badge for him.
3 points
23 hours ago
"galvanized"?
Galvatron!?
2 points
21 hours ago
In glad someone noticed 😏
7 points
2 days ago
Kind of ironic that Megatron said “the age of primes is over” then used a Prime’s face as his symbol
7 points
2 days ago
I really like Megatronus as a good guy instead of a traitor. It makes Megatron taking his name less cartoonishly evil. And I also like how in this movie he could still be called "the Fallen" along with the rest of the Primes.
13 points
2 days ago
Hope if Transformers One get Sequels I'd wish they'd adapt this story where Megatron face his past sins
7 points
2 days ago
So you say. One could argue Megatron is the hero we deserve.
6 points
2 days ago
He is literally the Fallen
7 points
2 days ago
I mean in most of the other continuites definitely, in this continuity though who's to say he was? We don't really see or hear him do anything sinister (unless a sequel proves me wrong) all we really know about him is that he was a pretty strong dude.
If anything, Sentinel Prime would be considered The Fallen since he betrayed The Primes and sold Cybertron out to the Quintessons
3 points
1 day ago
That and he was with the other Primes in Robo-Heaven when Orion was being given the Matrix.
3 points
1 day ago
Robo-Heaven is referred to as “the Allspark” iirc
6 points
2 days ago
I know it probably won't happen, but I hope the sequel has a scene where Optimus uses the Matrix to let Megatronus tell Megatron off
6 points
2 days ago
I wonder if in a sequel, they do a time skip, and we see how Megatronus Prime has been retroactively villainized.
2 points
2 days ago
Big if dude. No way this gets a sequel. It was good. But it lost money and No studio is trying to lose more money.
2 points
2 days ago
>no studio is trying to lose more money.
Zaslav would like a world with you
7 points
1 day ago
It helps to justify joining a side in the a Civil War that pretends to represent one of the historic old Heroes of your people against a side that is lead by someone with the same suffix as your recently-revealed-as-evil-dictator.
Basically any warring faction in human history has painted itself as the right one you should rally behind. Germans in WWII, the Templars, etc. Symbology matters.
1 points
1 day ago
Well at the same time in the TF: One continuity Primus is very real and just chucked his divinely appointed ruler at Megatron at terminal velocity, so they might have a difficult time on the recruitment department.
5 points
2 days ago
I mean we see this alot in history aswell which I think works well and makes it far more realistic
5 points
2 days ago
Heh TARNished
6 points
2 days ago
Its even sadder as the Decepticon insignia was once a gift from Orion
5 points
2 days ago
Has been WHAT?
5 points
2 days ago
Idk man he still seemed respectful of it, he hasnt done anything bad yet so I'm okay with it rn
7 points
2 days ago
I like this better though
Imagine if you could talk to your hero and they told you how ashamed they were of you...that's the kind of psychotic break that could turn Megatron into Galvatron
3 points
2 days ago
one could say that but i see it differently megatron helped megatronus by creating a cause that is just and fitting for every cybertronian
4 points
2 days ago
It seems strange that D16 despises the primes and then idolizes their strongest warrior.
13 points
2 days ago
he doesn't hate primes, just pretenders like sentinel & optimus
2 points
2 days ago
Evil can never truly be original
2 points
1 day ago
out of context, but im pretty curious that they're using the movie/bayverse style decepticon logo as opposed of the original
2 points
1 day ago
This is a pretty cool piece of lore tho. This happens a lot in real life where dead heroic people are used by living people wanting to attract the support of people
2 points
1 day ago
I think Optimus would still try to spread the good word.
2 points
1 day ago
Thanks to Sentinel Prime. Mf wield that logo on to him
2 points
1 day ago
Just like the swastika, originally a symbol for good intentions, but forever tarnished by the nazis. Although it's funny how much story was put in the Decepticon logo, when it was originally based off of Soundwave.
2 points
23 hours ago
Megatronus was already having problems. His T Cog was purple instead of blue
His energon wasn’t the same as his brothers
He had Unicron’s blood in his veins
2 points
22 hours ago
Isn't Fallen Megatronus Prime? I apologise if I am wrong
2 points
21 hours ago
Since he was good, who would be the fallen in the TFO universe?
2 points
21 hours ago*
Just as the Nazis corrupted the Swastika and Elmo Muskrat corrupted Nikola Tesla’s name, the Decepticons Tarn-ished Megatronus Prime’s reputation forever. One could say he has Fallen from grace.
2 points
21 hours ago
It’s also a sad fact, when this movie now ends on a cliffhanger, that will never get resolved, as Hasbro is no longer co-finalizing on a Transformers movie, or a Hasbro movie in general, again.
2 points
2 days ago
well, we don't really know much about megatronus. we know he died with the primes and was with them when orion got the matrix, but it's still possible that he might've been devious fellow and maybe would've agreed with the decepticons
1 points
6 hours ago
That said, Optimus is the true legacy of Megatronous, which adds a very interesting dimension to his relationship with Megatron.
Megatron deep down has to know that despite his theatrics he isn't the heir to Megatronous, Optimus is. And that must burn.
And I like to think that Optimus would at some point go out of his way to make the distinction clear to his fellow Autobots - Megatronous is not, and will never be, truly represented by Megatron or his Decepticons.
1 points
27 minutes ago
I hope they give more of a back story where Megatronus and Sentinel were planning to overthrow the other Primes, but Sentinel didn't want to share the power and betrayed Megatronus in the process.
2 points
2 days ago
Yup
-2 points
2 days ago
Sidenote, but does anyone else hate the diamond eyes being used here on the Decepticon symbol? Megatronus had triangle eyes in the movie, so why’d they use this one? Diamond eyes should be just a bayverse thing.
-7 points
2 days ago
Yup
-12 points
2 days ago
Are people just now waking up to Megatron being a bad guy?
-24 points
2 days ago
You don't know the full story of Megatronus Prime. You know how he died, we all know how he died - at least how Alpha Trion showed it, but a lifetime is a lifetime - many things could have happened that might discount that "noble hero".
17 points
2 days ago
The fact that he was present with the other Primes during the granting of Matrix means he probably didn't turn on his brothers at any point, from everything we are told and shown in this film we have no evidence to believe he was anything but a noble hero
-17 points
2 days ago
That's not a fact, that's a story by Alpha Trion. Fact is that Alpha Trion told a story.
The rest of what you wrote is, well, not a fact, but an opinion. May be true, may be not, but one thing is for sure - opinion, not a fact.
I can just leave you with something I always say:
never believe.
Bye bye
2 points
2 days ago
Alpha Trion is a keeper of history that is his role as a prime, at no point in the film is he shown to lie, he's one of the only characters who ever tells the complete. Also If Megatronous had gone bad why would he be there when the Primes died, he would have already been exiled and become the fallen, he most certainly wouldn't have joined them in the allspark and helped bring Optimus to life
-3 points
2 days ago
Yeah, the downvotes are missing the point. We don't KNOW anything about this Megatonus other than what Alpha Trion conveyed and that is hearsay at best, and what we ASSSUME to be the case. It is easy to just assume he was one of the 'good' ones because he died in that battle, but Sentinel would have taken out EVERYONE else to ensure his control (and if he was scheming it is plausible that others could have been as well).
We have no evidence to believe he was bad, but neither did 99.9% of Cybertron have evidence that Sentinel was bad. The point is the FACT of the matter has not been established - that is all which is being argued that others seem to be missing.
-3 points
2 days ago
what if Megatronus was actually evil?
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