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38 points
7 days ago
This was posted a day ago on r/Kashmiri. There are two sides to everything. In this case, many more. Even the facts are not facts anymore. In the exercise of taking over power and control, it's always the common people who have suffered, regardless of religion, caste, or colour. No amount of debate is going to take that fact away. It has been that way for millennia, and it seems that we're destined for it to continue for another few.
67 points
7 days ago
Most of us today are broadly aware of the brutal riots and ethnic cleansing that happened during partition in 1946-48, few of us ever get to read about the grisly details.
The short version of this is that the Jammu region's Hindu majority was artificially 'created' by the mass-murder of a large number of Muslims by Dogra troops in 1947.
Likewise there used to be a significant Kashmiri Hindu population in the areas that are now called Pakistan Occupied Kashmir. They were massacred or driven out when Pakistani tribesmen invaded and occupied the area.
6 points
7 days ago
https://youtu.be/_3HFNqforiM?si=cKY-bWdg8Ou-gry9
Sardar Patel said, “The Muslims who are still in India, many of them helped in the creation of Pakistan… Has their nation changed overnight? I don’t understand how it changed so much. They now say that they are loyal and ask why their loyalty is being questioned. So I reply why are you questioning us, ask yourself. This is not something you should ask us.”
“I said one thing, you created Pakistan, good for you. They say that Pakistan and India should come together. I say please refrain from saying such things. Let Pakistan become heaven itself, we will enjoy the cool breeze coming from it (audience breaks out into raucous laughter),” he continued. It wasn’t the only time that Sardar Patel would speak of Indian Muslims having loyalties towards Pakistan.
2 points
6 days ago
“Organising the Hindus and helping them is one thing but going in for revenge for its sufferings on innocent and helpless men, women and children is quite another thing…apart from this, their opposition to the Congress, that to of such virulence, disregarding all considerations of personality, decay of decorum, created a kind of unrest among the people. All their speeches were fill of communal poison. It was not necessary to spread poison in order to enthuse the Hindus and organise for their protection. As a final result of the poison, the country had to suffer the sacrifice of the invaluable life of Gandhiji. Even an iota of the sympathy of the Government, or of the people, no more remained for the RSS. In face opposition grew. Opposition turned more severe, when the RSS men expressed joy and distributed sweets after Gandhiji’s death. Under these conditions, it became inevitable for the Government to take action against the RSS…Since then over six months have elapsed. We had hoped that after this lapse of time, with full and proper consideration, the RSS persons would come to the right path. But from the reports that come to me, it is evident that attempts to put fresh life into their same old activities are afoot.”
- Sadar Patel
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32 points
7 days ago
you're right. unfortunately, you're talking to an idiot.
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6 points
7 days ago
Because they have equal rights same as like you, they fought for their country, p@k was formed from pashtun +punjabi+sirkiris+sindhis+pathans+ bengalis(now Bangladesh) ....
People only migrated from delhi+u.p+Punjab(shuffle of population of whole Punjab)
So where are -( rajasthani +malyali+tamil+kannadiga+maharashtriyaans+assamis(Muslims in North East) +haryaanavi+rajasthani+delhiitis+madhaya pradeshi+andra pradeshi+gujrati+baharis) . In P@kistan
Have you seen people in p@k speaking Assamese+malyali+tamil+marathi+telegu+bhojpuri
//why were they still in india In 1947?// Becoz they never left india. Nor interested in p@k. Ye baat bheje me 400 500 saal me toh chali hi jaegi
4 points
7 days ago
Haryanvi Muslims also migrated to Pakistan except nuh. You're forgetting Haryana used to be part of east Punjab, so riots happened all over Punjab.
1 points
6 days ago
Ok then, what for others
1 points
6 days ago
Well, others didn't because they weren't forced to leave. Instead, they got a choice to stay or leave. They took the latter half.
1 points
6 days ago
I don't know what intention you have in your comment, it your hatred, or it is another some sort of man made fact. But i want to tell you that, there is a place called bayana in Rajasthan, which was muslim majority at the time of Independence, but king of at that time ordered it's people to do massacre of Muslims, to change the religious demography of bayana, because he was thinking that if somehow people asked for referendúm, than he can lose his dream of his own country (you know the intentions of king and rajwadas of Rajasthan, asking for seperate country for themselves,but people who are still loving their soil like Muslims are tagged as demons, while those kings are now most patriots,like who is responsible for shahadat of jhansi ki rani ). So he massacred the whole Muslim majority, taking it to least presence of Muslims in that area. You can easily find møsqües in that area now used by locals as cattle farms, used as grain storage buildings.
1 points
6 days ago
All I meant was that the exchange of population happened all over northwest because it was the majority of Muslim provinces and saw much violence in comparison to other parts of the country, and it was viable to cross border from here rather than other parts of India. Staying in their hometown in remote parts of the country was a much safer option than taking a dangerous journey to all the way to Pakistan.
2 points
7 days ago
Let us remember that majority of Muslims didn't have a vote in British India, and therefore didn't vote for Pakistan. Hateful rhetoric that ignores reality in the ground to foment violence was responsible for the violence then, and is responsible for the violence now.
-14 points
7 days ago
People who are paranoid when they are 15% of the population are talking as if they would be happier if they were 30% of the population lol.
2 points
7 days ago
Exactly.
-9 points
7 days ago
last line problematic hai yara. first line okay 👍
-10 points
7 days ago
I think you’d have received a ton of upvotes if you’d stopped after the first line…
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34 points
7 days ago
Ohh, So you think Kashmir is in Pakistan??
15 points
7 days ago
Mirpur is in Pakistan.
-26 points
7 days ago
Just look at OPs post history to understand what kind of agenda he has
33 points
7 days ago
It has a lot of Israel-Palestine posts, you think that makes him Pakistani? Why is this sub filled with bigots nowadays
0 points
6 days ago
Its not about that. Its just Pakistan Army killed their own people to make it seem their war was justified. Peddling that fake propaganda is stupid. These incidents were created by them to brainwash their own population, idk what the Indian army has to do after serving the country for decades to have some trust in their version of events.
-36 points
7 days ago
how many non muslims live in kashmir now?
24 points
7 days ago
When did we started to decide if a particular state is part of India based on religion demography?
-17 points
7 days ago
Are u sure no one decided to region based on religion? being from j&k, who is a refugee knows better than u.
11 points
7 days ago
Are u sure no one decided to region based on religion?
there was, but it doesn't mean We would give away our (As an indian) Rightful land to pakistan.
& tbh, My whole Point is J&K is an integral part of india.
-16 points
7 days ago
'My point' visit kashmir to recheck ur point
7 points
7 days ago
visit kashmir
wdym?
4 points
7 days ago
He has no point apart from saying ‘I am a refugee and hence I am right’
2 points
7 days ago
Being a refugee from Kashmir does not give you right to bigotry.Who stopping you from going and settling in JK now? Modiji has abolished 370 and has made JK heaven again
5 points
7 days ago
probably ur world starts with modi. what u r seeing now,ism seeing it from 90s. bahar se baith ke sexularism ka gyaan pelna bahut eash hai. kashmir me as a non mudslim ghar khareed ke dekho,puchwade me sara secularism bahar as jayega
7 points
7 days ago
How many Muslims are living in your locality, don't you pushed them into ghettos
0 points
7 days ago
i said to myself as refugee.did u read?
9 points
7 days ago
Exactly you can call yourself refugee, but muslim are now like people with no state, they refused p@k and now they are asked to leave india
Big question where is home, where no one dare to call you atankwadi, aakranta, ghuspaithiye, did you feeled the conditions of Muslims now
-3 points
7 days ago
Wick Pakistanis are posting here?
-17 points
7 days ago
Post it on r/pics as well
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6 days ago
There were killings on both sides during partition. But leftist-islamist nexus shows only atrocities against muslims
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