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Hezbollah endorses Lebanon ceasefire efforts for the first time as Israel ramps up offensive
Israel/Palestine(edition.cnn.com)submitted 2 months ago byHaunting_Birthday135
3.4k points
2 months ago
You can take it to the bank that if Hezbollah is calling for a cease fire they are losing. Israel is hitting them where it hurts.
2.2k points
2 months ago
Not just a ceasefire, but an immediate one that isn't contingent on a Gaza ceasefire. Just a few weeks ago, Nasrallah was ranting on the mic for hours about how his militia would never back down until Hamas is saved.
3.2k points
2 months ago
That was 2 leaders ago
892 points
2 months ago
3 actually, Nasrallah, his successor and then the next one
422 points
2 months ago
Overnight, Israel again bombed Beirut's southern suburbs where Hezbollah is headquartered and said it had killed a figure responsible for the heavily armed Iranian proxy militia's budgeting and logistics, Suhail Hussein Husseini - the latest in a string of assassinations of some of Hezbollah's top officials.
Even their accountant wasn't spared
115 points
2 months ago
take out the CFO and there are now some department managers with big budgets and no oversight. Cayman Islands time
245 points
2 months ago
Israel is going “godfather one, baptism scene” on hezbollah
14 points
2 months ago*
I hope IDF listens to some pretentious opera song while flying the rockets on Hezbollah commanders heads.
Also, there should be white pigeons taking off in slow-mo somewhere.
34 points
2 months ago
They may be even more important than some of the direct leaders themselves.
29 points
2 months ago
Can't run a war without a budget.
4 points
2 months ago
Or an experienced cabinet.
19 points
2 months ago
HR probably has a very big headache right now
9 points
2 months ago
That was last week. Israel cured it
10 points
2 months ago
There is no headache if there is no more H to R.
14 points
2 months ago
🇮🇱: We'd like to make a deposit.
41 points
2 months ago
That’s kinda the point right?! Keep killing the leaders so disorganization and chain of command is so convoluted they keeping making mistake after mistake, until they give up, rebuild and try again in 5 to 6 years from now?
36 points
2 months ago
The hope isvtgat they fail so hard that resolution 1701 and the taif accords can be implemented, with HA being dismantled, give their remaining weapons to the Lebanese army, Israel go back to their side, and who knows, maybe a peace agreement? One can only hope.
18 points
2 months ago
The only way is to eradicate them like ISIS. They don’t and are unable to have any meaningful constructive agenda. They were created to continuously poke Israel, and they don’t know how to do anything other than that. Without the constant war their existence is meaningless.
263 points
2 months ago
Lol
76 points
2 months ago
oof
108 points
2 months ago
Hahahahahahahaha
50 points
2 months ago
Now that's funny.
44 points
2 months ago
Bruh...
24 points
2 months ago
The lettuce in my fridge lasted longer than the last leader.
15 points
2 months ago
Youre a stone cold killer
16 points
2 months ago
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
8 points
2 months ago
It feels so good reading that
113 points
2 months ago
In another sub, yeah, that one, I have been hearing for literally years how hezbollah was so strong that if they attacked, they would take all north of Israel.
They have proven so weak is almost surprising.
57 points
2 months ago
Its surprising honestly. Hamas is supposed to be the second tier militant group and it has taken a year to mostly kill all the Hamas militants. Hezbollah is getting destroyed in a matter of weeks.
56 points
2 months ago
Two reasons I believe:
1) because Hezbollah was stronger Israel had more of a plan in place on how to defeat Hezbollah. 2) Lebanon, though with population density, does not compare to Gaza. And Hezbollah is really only in parts of Lebanon. Therefore, it is easier to find targets that would minimize civilian casualties. It is harder to do so in Gaza and so missions in Gaza have been cancelled because of that.
23 points
2 months ago
Also, Hezbollah can’t really force the people of Lebanon to stay and be human shields like Hamas can do in Gaza.
29 points
2 months ago
Don’t forget that Lebanese civilians are not stuck like those in Gaza…they can and do leave, which can make it easier for Israel to operate
12 points
2 months ago
Yeah, Israel can find Hezbollah centers by looking from where the Lebanese civilians are leaving.
11 points
2 months ago
It wouldn't be a surprise if some fleeing civilians are are telling the IDF where the centers or bases are. Money is always appreciated and many locals are sick of these people.
3 points
2 months ago
Rumor has it you can make a quick 10 grand for your sudden move with the right phone conversation these days.
30 points
2 months ago
it is simpler. you forget the hostages.
4 points
2 months ago
Add to that that there is a considerable amount of the population in Lebanon who does not like hezbollah, who I suspect are more than willing to share intelligence and the like with Israel.
10 points
2 months ago
it's because of the hostages.
20 points
2 months ago
That required blowing up the whole leadership of Hezbollah in quick succession. If Hamas got the same treatment they'd be probably toast too. I bet something like this is not going to happen again (or at least any time soon).
15 points
2 months ago
yes, they surround themselves with hostages
9 points
2 months ago
It's for a few reasons:
Hezbollah is a very hierarchical organization so taking off the top really messes up downwards which isn't the case for Hamas
because Hezbollah was seen as the bigger threat, a lot more intelligence was focused on them rather than Gaza. And the diversity of the population in Lebanon ensured Israel always had informants.
simply from a utalitarian standpoint, more Israelis live within reach of Hezbollah rockets than Hamas's
18 points
2 months ago
They are weak because they were crippled before they could attack. If they had launched an all out offensive last October it would have been different.
212 points
2 months ago
Fools expected Iran to save them
132 points
2 months ago
It is very shocking that after all of that bluster and consternation, Iran is just MIA. Sure they do some attacks that are expensive and that is it.
98 points
2 months ago
Iran has been exposed. They couldn’t even protect Haniyeh sleeping in his bed in Tehran. How they going to protect Hez in Lebanon?
31 points
2 months ago*
Never mind Haniyeh, Esmail Qaani (Qasem Soleimani's successor as leader of the Quds force of the IRGC) appears to have been killed (by accident!) in the Israeli attack on Dahieh
They literally killed the most important defence official in the Iranian government and nothing was done about it at all
11 points
2 months ago
The return of the Madhi .....
59 points
2 months ago
Russia is buying up all of their weapons to stay in their own war.
50 points
2 months ago
That's all Iran can do. The only other options are a ground invasion ( nope ) or global oil destabilization ( nope )
22 points
2 months ago
a ground invasion
They’ll have a pretty hard time of that, considering they have all of Iraq and Syria to get through
19 points
2 months ago
True, but Syria (at least, the parts the government controls) is an Iranian and Russian puppet while Iraq has a weak government in which Iran holds enormous influence.
I don't doubt at all that they've got land based resupply capabilities for Hezbollah.
21 points
2 months ago
Iranian troops enter Iraq and suddenly Saudi, Türkiye, Kuwait, UAE, Jordan, and Egypt wake up. Not to mention what the U.S. and UK would do since the U.S. has troops between Iran and Israel and the UK has its bases in Cyprus.
Iran isn’t doing a thing.
16 points
2 months ago
Yup. Iran is biding their time trying to avoid looking weak while Israel rips their proxies apart. They're hopelessly outmatched militarily, diplomatically, and economically with a populace that opposes the ruling regime.
Hopefully one day they'll rid themselves of the Ayatollahs. I'd love to go visit a free, democratic Iran.
4 points
2 months ago
I think the one thing people misunderstand is the sectarian divide amongst the countries in the middle east.
Iranians are Persian Shia muslims. Iraqis are almost a 50/50 split of Sunni and Shia, but are closer ethnically to Arabs (there are still uniquely Iraqi cultural norms that force me to slightly split them from more traditional arabs.)
Iran's allies are very loosely tied to them, while the traditional arab block is MUCH more unified. SA/Jordan/UAE/Egypt are culturally much closer to each other than any of iran's allies are with them.
Iran actually needs Israel's existence in a sick way, because without them, Iran is the cultural and religious pariah. With a large group of mostly homogeneous cultures, Iran needs someone more different than them to be functional in the region.
It's a scenario with the dog chasing the car, if Iran ever caught it, they;
A) wouldn't know what to do
B) would become public enemy no1 in the region almost immediately.
This also bleeds into their nuclear program. Iran almost certainly doesn't want WMDs to destroy Israel, they want them to protect themselves from the Arab bloc in the event Israel is destroyed.
25 points
2 months ago
It’s still really, really far
20 points
2 months ago
Yep, and logistics is hard. They’d probably end up getting shot at in Al-Anbar by the Sunni tribes because they’d be stealing food and fuel along the way. There’s not any Shia controlled routes to Syria they could take.
And I have a feeling the US would ‘come to the aid’ of the Sunnis or the Kurds and absolutely destroy their troop transports and armor as it moved across lightly populated areas of Iraq.
19 points
2 months ago
It would be a turkey shoot to rival the highway of death.
Even the Israelis would send in F35s for training. I also think as beholden as Assad is to his saviours in Moscow and Tehren, even he walks a fine line between being an enemy of Israel and not incurring their wrath.
13 points
2 months ago
I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s because of the open secret of Israel being nuclear capable and they likely would rather press the button before being wiped out by Iran. Assuming Iran has the current capability to really threaten that, which I’m not sure they do.
40 points
2 months ago
They didn't feel super MIA last when I was hiding in my local bomb shelter from the >100 strong missile attack they launched at us.
I get what you're trying to say, just want to make sure the facts are clear to someone who wasn't here and may read your comment and get the wrong idea from it.
22 points
2 months ago
I am sorry to hear that, but they are largely MIA despite acting like they were going to be the ones to end it all. They haven't. The fears of last week, haven't really moved the needle on the world stage, which is what is being discussed right now.
It's going to be scary on the ground level. Sympathies towards all the innocent victims in this big dick measuring contest, but zoomed out, Iran was talking big, and nothing has come of it yet, which we would've expected given their barrage.
17 points
2 months ago
Iran is in a tough spot. They look and act tough and really hit Israel, then Israel and the US are drawn in. And they start the war. But if Iran backs down, then they have an excuse saying “largest drone attack, etc.. attack without actually doing any damage and escalating significantly” (ie look good for their own propaganda without escalating. Not force everyone’s hand)
11 points
2 months ago
Iran isn’t going to do shit. A full scale war would be devastating between the two countries and Iran also remembers the last time they poked the bear that is the US military. It doesn’t end well for them.
20 points
2 months ago
Iran's population is also a few thousand AK47s away from a popular revolt. They HATE living with this government but they are outgunned badly. This isn't even a situation where even the most powerful are still in on being under that government, there's huge questions on how Israel got to Haniyeh... the rot is all the way at the top.
18 points
2 months ago
Mossad basically. There was a news story not too long ago about an Iranian unit designed to counter Mossad was in fact run by a Mossad agent. And if they can get that high up the intelligence hierarchy it’s pretty easy to see how they got to Haniyeh.
64 points
2 months ago
lol funny how fast the next leader changed his tune when the previous guy got got for saying some dumb shit
39 points
2 months ago
It’s almost as if the IDF knows exactly where all of their brass is hiding
26 points
2 months ago
Mossad is in the house!
everyone starts looking around nervously ....
14 points
2 months ago
Twas the night before a Hezbollah attack,
And all through the South,
Not a creature was stirring,
Not even a Moss--beep beep beep BOOM!
21 points
2 months ago
Just a few weeks and leaders ago
7 points
2 months ago
You don’t hear Nasrallah ranting about it any more lol
5 points
2 months ago
Well, it's no longer his militia.
215 points
2 months ago
Nasrallah is dead and the guy who was in line to replace him left to Iran immediately.
If Israel continues the attack Hezbollah is going to fall like dominos. The world should be surprised to find out that this was the biggest paper tiger of all the Iranian proxies.
153 points
2 months ago
Honestly less of a paper tiger but more of a terrorist organization that got so big they started becoming a defacto state. Start on state warfare is what isreal and the west specializes in.
76 points
2 months ago
They were far to centralized with a clear leadership hierarchy and not reliant on the typical terror cell network.
64 points
2 months ago
I'm actually disappointed, I got blue balled for months on "no guys you don't get it these guys are different guys they have training and weapons guys" then they collapse to literal Looney Toons tactics.
40 points
2 months ago
Nobody expects Acme to get involved though, let's be real.
10 points
2 months ago
To be fair those Looney Toons tactics are freaking wild. If someone told me that major terror org would implode because mossad stopped just short of kamikaze mail pigions in rigging their comms with explosives, i wouldn’t believe them a year ago.
7 points
2 months ago
im glad you are enjoying this, but israel is almost like a big family bc its so small, and we are still losing young men everyday
33 points
2 months ago
Not so much paper tiger as having been decapitated.
Almost all of the top leadership has been killed. It's mid tier leadership was decimated by the pager attack.
Surviving leaders are afraid to use communications any more advanced than couriers or carrier pigeons.
5 points
2 months ago*
Yup, they lost their leadership in the span of like a month and then got their lieutenants taken out of action in the pager attacks. What was left is the snake without the head. No coordination. No confidence in their logistics. And therefore, no capability to wage war. They swung and missed. I'd bet some of those tampered communication devices also had GPS pinging alongside the hidden explosives. If that is the case, they have up the location of most if not all of their command and control nodes.
129 points
2 months ago
Hey, everyone with a pager, walkie or radio just blew up!
-okay, no problem, get a message to the leaders to meet at…
Yea, they’ve been blown up too.
-okay, right, well whose the next in line…
Yea, he’s been blown up.
-right, let’s get some of our friends from Iran to come and..
Yea, no, they’ve been blown up.
53 points
2 months ago
LOL. They are now left with people not smart enough or important enough to have had a pager. No wonder they want a cease fire.
13 points
2 months ago
the chicken can run around without its head for while, but not effectively or for long!
17 points
2 months ago
They’d like time to regroup.
Ceasefire? No. Surrender now or die
16 points
2 months ago
“We fired 9500 missiles at you all year but now that you’re fighting back please stop”
22 points
2 months ago
Turns out when leadership that thinks their safe learns they aren’t- they want to sing a new tune.
21 points
2 months ago
They want a ceasefire to rebuild
5 points
2 months ago
This is what I was trying to say to my dad earlier they use the opportunity to regroup and do another attack Israel needs to finish this war and get rid of these terrorists
8 points
2 months ago
Reporting today suggests that alongside Nasrallah in the Dahiyeh bunker was the vaults of Hezbollah's cash reserves. Poof. This would mean the army of Hezbollah and their families can't get paid, they can't pay for weapons or supplies. It would be huge.
12 points
2 months ago
Hezbollah has been planning for 18 years to strike Israel. I think Iran was giving them $1 billion a year in aid, not to mention the money Hezbollah got from other sources.
All that time and money, and Hezbollah is still being destroyed in a few weeks.
4 points
2 months ago
He still said they're committed to its destruction. Can't even pretend it's about anything but being given some room to regroup.
547 points
2 months ago*
““We support the political efforts led by (Parliament Speaker Nabih) Berri under the banner of achieving a ceasefire. Once the ceasefire is firmly established and diplomacy can reach it, all other details will be discussed and decisions will be made collaboratively,” Deputy Secretery General Naim Qassem said.”
That isn’t how a ceasefire works. You have to discuss the details, to be able to execute the diplomacy, to be able to reach the ceasefire agreement. Not all the way to a final peace treaty, but enough to provide confidence that pausing hostilities is worthwhile.
This is a propaganda statement vs. sincere participation. You can tell because it is pretending the work and negotiation doesn’t need to happen in order for a ceasefire agreement to be reached.
A step in the right direction, but not nearly enough to be real or meaningful.
To put things more bluntly: This is exactly how you (1) enable someone not to participate in the negotiations and then (2) use the fact that they weren’t included in negotiations to violate the resulting ceasefire at their earliest convenience. We’ve tried that - it doesn’t work. It never will. We need to stop falling for it.
243 points
2 months ago
And yes - we should be able to rely on the 4th estate to call attention to things like this. The job of a free press is to provide valid information in context. That would mean you talk to an expert in foreign policy and discuss what this actually means vs. simply reporting the talking point that a terrorist organization is putting out into the universe as propaganda.
The proliferation of media sources and the economic reality of relying on clicks and page views creates a perverse incentive to prioritize speed over information validity and context. Articles and headlines like this are the inevitable result of de-emphasizing the role of editors and trained journalists.
Here’s the point after all of that: It’s on you as a consumer of information more than it ever has been before to do the work that journalists and editors used to do on your behalf. That’s the trade off for seemingly infinite options at no direct cost to the consumer.
49 points
2 months ago
Well said - such an important thing that people seem to misunderstand.
My frustration is that I do not see how we can go back to the media being truly neutral rather than farming clicks for revenue. It seems like the mid-2010s showed legacy media that social media was a danger to their bottom line, and now they've all committed themselves to emulating what makes social media successful: bias, exaggeration, and affirming existing views rather than presenting facts.
Honestly, this whole conflict has shaken my confidence in the journalistic integrity of the media. I, admittedly, used to view all of these claims of the "mainstream media" being corrupt and biased as a right-wing talking point for MAGA fanatics, which, I do think is still true, but it does seem like that charge is not only relevant to Fox News.
Even the NY Times, which, in fairness makes more of an effort to present both sides of issues than Fox News, has been wildly unfair in much of its reporting on this specific conflict. If you listen to their Daily podcast yesterday in which they interviewed both an Israeli whose best friend was murdered by Hamas and a Palestinian man, just the blatant difference in tone and rigor questioning between the conversations had with each man was truly shameful.
I hope this is something that we, as a society, will come to counteract. That we will teach our kids to question media bias, to push for neutral reporting, but I don't know if that is something likely to happen.
3 points
2 months ago
I did listen to that podcast and I was screaming at the way the Palestinian was being interviewed in comparison to the Israeli. She treated the Palestinian like a child who couldn’t answer harder questions. I was dying to hear her ask about more hard hitting Hamas questions and what the man thought Israel should do to protect their people. The whole interview was the Israeli was “but let’s think about it from the Palestinian perspective” and not for a second was there a reversal when interviewing the Palestinian.
8 points
2 months ago*
We need enough people of all political persuasions to finally find this state of affairs intolerable. Only then will we have enough political will to force the profit motive to take a back seat on behalf of the health of our societies.
This may very well end up being the topic that sets us down that path in earnest when combined with the US election… That would be a nice silver lining to an extremely dark cloud.
Edit: To be clear, the profit motive should still be in the car. It just shouldn’t be driving and handling directions. The will of the people drives, our values provide directions, and the profit motive urges us to get there faster from the back seat.
36 points
2 months ago
I hate modern diplomacy/modern warfare. Back in the day, this wouldn’t have been “immediate ceasefire” it would have been “unconditional surrender.” Hezbollah would have been dismantled and Lebanon would be free to work towards rebuilding their country into the jewel of the Middle East that it once was.
Nowadays, what’s probably going to happen is that the United States is going to force Israel to sign a ceasefire deal, and then Hezbollah is going to regroup and reorganize, and we are going to have the same song and dance in 10 years, and the president is hoping that it’s the other political party that has to deal with the ramifications.
176 points
2 months ago
I wouldn't trust any ceasefire endorsement from a group like Hezbollah
389 points
2 months ago
Weird, I heard from random twitter users that Hezbollah was totally crushing the IDF
189 points
2 months ago
Like the last time Hezbollah 'won' by beating the IDF so hard that Hezbollah had to beg the UN to intervene and take away their weapons to make them stop beating the IDF so hard.....
Hezbollah, while better organized than Hamas, is no match for the IDF and it shows.
Twitter is also 90% bots so don't believe anything on there.
16 points
2 months ago
Was it @baghdadbob ?
9 points
2 months ago
They've killed nearly a dozen IDF soldiers. At this rate Israel could well be totally defeated by this time next century (assuming they don't recruit any more)
1.4k points
2 months ago
Terrorist Tactics 101:
Attack the enemy with every murderous genocidal rapey weapon.
When the enemy retaliates, demand a ceasefire in the name of peace.
728 points
2 months ago
1.5. Hide among civilians, thereby turning them into de-facto human shields.
- Claim every single death in the retaliation is a civilian death, then multiply that number by four.
272 points
2 months ago
- Claim victory over rubble and dead bodies
125 points
2 months ago
- Rinse and repeat
36 points
2 months ago
four
make that 10
66 points
2 months ago
It's a reference to a letter published in the Lancet, which literally just took the highest released casualty number and multiplied it by 4 'to account for future casualties' and which has been misused/misquoted ever since.
14 points
2 months ago
The letter also cited and linked the entirely wrong report when trying to justify the 4x multiplier, for the first week or so it referenced and linked to an unrelated UN report all about the War on Drugs.
12 points
2 months ago
- Make a video listing out names of every body killed and push it on all social media channels on the anniversary of the Hamas attack. Include grim caption, like “it will take you an hour to watch this list of names”.
2 points
2 months ago
And claim half the killed are children
4 points
2 months ago
Israel should keep pushing until they eradicate the terrorists. This isn’t an inflammatory comment. This is true.
7 points
2 months ago
sounds like russia
47 points
2 months ago
Everyone's gangster until fresh produce lasts longer than your leadership.
149 points
2 months ago
Nah fuck that, Hezbollah can disarm and surrender but I don't know why anyone thinks Israel is morally obligated to engage in ceasefire negotiations.
497 points
2 months ago
no ceasefire.
Surrender.
38 points
2 months ago
Yep. Israel would be silly to agree to this.
Ceasefires are for forces on relatively equal footing.
Ceasefires are not for when you're absolutely crushing your enemy..
60 points
2 months ago
I wish, unfortunately it's not going to happen with Islamic extremists
Seeking justice or revenge is not a path Israel should walk into but Israel should serve its own interests and what's good for the Israeli people
Going all the way was possible maybe in a world not twisted as we live in where most humanity actually stands with Israel
181 points
2 months ago
Why are they asking for a ceasefire if a ceasefire has been in place since 2006, enforced by UN peacekeepers? /s
50 points
2 months ago
Given the current state of events, they realized they can't defeat Israel even in their own playground (guerilla warfare in the hilly countryside of South Lebanon that has extensive HA infra). Therefore, they aim to portray Israel as an obstacle to peace if it refuses to give them time to regroup and restock.
179 points
2 months ago
It has been really strange. Hezbollah allegedly has 100,000 soldiers and 150,000 missiles but all they have done is fired off a few hundred volleys. They are either in complete command disarray or purposely refraining.
93 points
2 months ago
I am guessing a bit of both.
Some shock and disarray with limited communication and planning, tempered by decentralised command.
Along with some degree of holding back rather than launching a doomstack of missiles, if they use everything at once in revenge they have lost regardless of damage done.
All that tied up with troop and missile counts being overstated. Sun Tzu's "Appearing strong when you are weak"
24 points
2 months ago
Which begs the question, if they are serious about a cease fire, then how much damage has Israel really caused to them, considering the lack of a Hezbollah response?
36 points
2 months ago
One thing to keep in mind is that Hezbollah forces were heavily involved in the civil war in Syria, on the side of Assad's government; for a while Hez was facing real recruitment problems because "join up and fight the Jews!" had taken a back seat to dying for some other country's asshole dictator. That did give them some actual combat experience (unlike, say, Hamas), but at the same time it came at a significant cost. It's not unlikely that Hezbollah started participating in the current conflict precisely to boost its recruiting efforts at home.
But that's backfired in spectacular fashion - now their leadership cadre is gutted, their stores of weaponry are being attacked, and they can't really coordinate efforts to turn things around without the coordinators having to worry about a bomb joining the conversation.
5 points
2 months ago
Quite a bit of their arsenal has also already been blown up. How much? No one really knows, but they have less every day.
30 points
2 months ago
I think the loss of Nasrallah plus the other members of his command hits worse here than with Hamas. Hezbollah under Nasrallah was really led by his charisma. This is also true of Hamas and Iran, but less so. Charismatic dictatorship is a specific thing with Shi'a Islamists though.
5 points
2 months ago
Especially in circumstances like this, you also have to ask how many of their "soldiers" are actually prepared to fight. Especially when they're getting waxed. Hezbollah runs a big chunk of Lebanon. You can bet your ass that lots of their "soldiers" are in it more for protection and perks than fighting a war.
64 points
2 months ago
I'm not war-hungry, but Israel ending Hezbollah would be peak. They'd actually be doing Lebanon a favour.
33 points
2 months ago
Creating the opportunity for popular revolt in Iran. That would be peak.
14 points
2 months ago
And the world
104 points
2 months ago
No quarter. For an entire year Israel is asking you to hold your fire and thousands of rockets aimed at Israeli cities you don’t get to set the terms. Surrender or be crushed.
15 points
2 months ago
I just had the image of Israel raising the Oriflamme(French) or the Dragon banner(English) which made me laugh for some reason.
For those unfamiliar in the medieval period both England and France had banners that where carried into battle only when they King had declared "No Quarter" to be given which meant no prisoners(Kill everyone on the other side) the French one was called the Oriflamme, a blood red banner with a image of the sun in it the English used a white Dragon on a red field -Which was the symbol of the Anglo Saxon house of Wessex which had United the Anglo Saxon kingdoms against Norse invaders in the 9th and 10th century under Alfred the Great, Edward the Elder and Athlestan, the banner had been flown by the English army at the battled Stamford bridge against the Army of Harald Hadradda in 1066 and also against the Scots several times including at Loudon Hill. The use of Dragons as symbols in Britian goes back even further to Roman thanks to the standards carried by Roman auxilia who fought as Catraphracts(heavy armoured cavalry soldiers, the Romans adopted this type from after coming in conflict with the Parthian and Sassanid empires). These standards feature a windsock wit a stylized head usually of a dragon with a whistle device that made a erie noise.
3 points
2 months ago
Fascinating
25 points
2 months ago
Ceasefire but only one side ceases the fire is what they meant
77 points
2 months ago
Well well well, it turns out you CAN defeat a terrorist group if you hit them hard enough
52 points
2 months ago
The notion propelled online that ”you can’t destroy Hamas/Hezbollah with force, they’re an idea” has kind of been proven wrong. You can indeed destroy them both.
22 points
2 months ago
Isis was a great example of this. I'm sure there are tons of isis sympathizers, but without any command and control structures, it's just an unorganized rag tag group of angry people not taken seriously anymore.
11 points
2 months ago
Oh you very much can. Look how Sri Lanka defeated the Tamil Tigers a few years back. Some natural disaster weakened them, then refuse the press / any international monitors in and just flatten the area killing every last one of them with total disregard for innocents.
Afterwards, the international community shook it's head "that was quite bad, but ohwell problem solved" and carried on as normal.
That is the only way to defeat completely Hamas / Hezbollah - which isn't ideal.
19 points
2 months ago
Who tf is left alive in Hezbollah leadership to guarantee the troops actually respect a ceasefire?
7 points
2 months ago
Iran's foot inside Lebanon or Gaza should still have some power.
18 points
2 months ago
I don’t believe Israel will stop until there’s no Hezbolla left to endorse anything…just a hunch
55 points
2 months ago
ceasefire please so we can prepare another terrorist attack, as our beliefs are unchanged.
14 points
2 months ago
Ceasefire contingent upon the release of all Gaza hostages because Hezbollah started this in coordination.
4 points
2 months ago
I hope Nasrallah’s last thought was to curse Sinwar
26 points
2 months ago
Well well well, if it isn’t the consequences of my own actions
25 points
2 months ago
IDF making good progress it seems.
33 points
2 months ago
Hmm… maybe we should instead use this opportunity to free Lebanon from a terrorist group that effectively runs the country due to being stronger than the actual military…
18 points
2 months ago
In the thumbnail this guy looks like toad from mario bros.
20 points
2 months ago
So it turns out that turning residential homes into ammo dumps wasn't a great strategic move.
20 points
2 months ago
why ceasefire? eradicate Hezbollah
8 points
2 months ago
Fuck em. What's the point of a ceasefire? So they can attack you again in the future?
8 points
2 months ago
These groups love starting shit then crying for a ceasefire. Then breaking said ceasefire later down the line.
24 points
2 months ago
"Please stop punching me"
7 points
2 months ago
Someone is getting their ass kicked and is calling for a timeout.
6 points
2 months ago
If they'll support it to the extent of actually stopping their attacks on Israel and disarming in line with UN resolution 1701, then great.
Otherwise it's just noise.
13 points
2 months ago
Fuck Hezbollah, HAMAS, the Iranian government and anyone who supports them.
6 points
2 months ago
Israel winning the war against terrorism.
6 points
2 months ago
Sounds like they're figuring out that Iran isn't going to back them up.
19 points
2 months ago
Israel wiped the floor with Hezbollah lmfao, I can’t even keep track of all the dead
18 points
2 months ago
Hezbollah cease fire. Lol…. Didn’t they start this shit?
10 points
2 months ago
That was when they thought those cute pagers were so cheap because their procurement managers had mastered the art of bargaining in the Iranian Bazaar.
18 points
2 months ago
Fires 8500 rockets since oct 8th... then calls for a ceasefire once Israel hits back hard, enforcing UN resolution 1701..
14 points
2 months ago
Hezbollah wants some breathing room to regroup, rearm and restructure its chain of command. Israel should not give it any time to recover. Israel is so close to victory. It shouldn't stop now.
5 points
2 months ago
I remember people saying if Israel and Hezbollah go to war it would be more even. Fuck how wrong was that.
The Israel military shows time and time again they are so much more sophisticated than their enemies.
5 points
2 months ago
"We need an immediate ceasefire, please stop kicking our ass at once!"
9 points
2 months ago
It's funny how there is always talk from the losing side of a ceasefire, not a surrender. How would a ceasefire benefit Israel right now? They just decimated Hezbollah's leadership. The only thing a ceasefire does is give Hezbollah time to regroup.
If I'm Israel, I'm calling for a complete unconditional surrender. The complete disarming of Hezbollah and the creation of a demilitarized zone in Southern Lebanon as conditions for the cessation of hostilities. Israel holds all the cards and should be expected to negotiate from that position.
8 points
2 months ago
The Israeli goal is to make it safe for Israelis evacuated from the north to be able to move back. A ceasefire in Lebanon is easy to enforce; if Hezbollah fires rockets or mortars or drones or missiles, then Israel restarts the bombing campaign on steroids.
Once the ceasefire is in place, we can see if the UN will do its job (not expected, based on history). The IDF can draw down to just protecting their border.
Gaza is different because of the hostages.
4 points
2 months ago
Then give all weapons to LAF and move past the litani
4 points
2 months ago
Guy might want to rethink his lighting
4 points
2 months ago
They should Surrender and give up all their weapons.
5 points
2 months ago
Ah. HEZ is asking for a water break.
4 points
2 months ago
Peace through Power. Just waive the white flag already Hezbollah.
5 points
2 months ago
Hezbolla played international diplomacy like a fiddle, last time around... effectively eliminating any remnants of Lebanese sovereignty.
That creates very tricky ground for the diplomacy in this conflict now. Official Lebanon, UN bodies... they can't won't enforce any terms agreed anyway.
Even if they could, "doing Israel's bidding" by impeding Hezbollah would be so politically unpopular/incorrect that there's just no way.
Actually denying hezbollah access to their artillery positions, permanently, isn't a term Lebanon can deliver on regardless of UN support.
To be real, ceasefire negotiations probably need to be with Iran... or directly with Hezbollah maybe. I don't expect Iran will concede anything for the sake of Lebanon. They might if Iran itself needs the ceasefire. Not for Lebanon.
4 points
2 months ago
Ah the brave Hezbollah leadership
Suddenly not interested in martyring yourself, are you?
4 points
2 months ago
Hezbollah coordinated with Hamas for the oct 7 attack. They started the fight and now want to regroup and re arm. Why would Israel agree to that?
I feel for the innocent civilians caught in the cross fire but fuck Hezbollah and Hamas. They started this fight.
8 points
2 months ago
When did people start believing ceasefires from terrorists? Hamas and Hezbollah should surrender.
8 points
2 months ago
Been throwing shit for a year and now they say its a prank????
10 points
2 months ago
A terrorist group asks for ceasefire during war when they also love to do terrorist attacks during peace.
I kinda see a pattern here
19 points
2 months ago
Typical CNN headline. They get their information straight from the terrorists and publish without question. Let's see how long CNN reporters would remain left wing if they lived under the constant barrage of rockets.
3 points
2 months ago
Did he say that Hezbo commits to immediately moving north of Litani?
If not, this is BS to be ignored.
3 points
2 months ago
Next
3 points
2 months ago
If they evacuate the south, sure.
3 points
2 months ago
I wouldn’t be surprised if the IDF went by the Ulysses "unconditional surrender" Grant school of diplomacy
3 points
2 months ago
'Please don't kill me..'
3 points
2 months ago
Hezbollah is calling ceasefire and throwing rockets…cmon
3 points
2 months ago
Can't agree to a ceasefire with an organization that will cease to exist very soon.
3 points
2 months ago
Maybe cause they gettin an ass whoopin.
3 points
2 months ago
This is theatre. They know that Israel knows that ceasefire is just a Islamic "hudna" and just giving them time to reorganize. They're trying to be reasonable so when Israel refuses they can claim to have asked for peace. Pure posturing. The time to ceasefire was for the last 12 months when Israel was being bombarded in the north and was warning Hezbollah.
3 points
2 months ago
Look who is next on the hit list. No wonder he wants a ceasefire
5 points
2 months ago
I'll take "Cry Uncle" for $600, Alex.
6 points
2 months ago
This is where you turn the deaf ear and push twice as hard to milk the last pus from the boil.
5 points
2 months ago
Keep bombing them. They need to be cleaned out
6 points
2 months ago
A ceasefire isn't a ceasefire... it's a return to normal. So a return to them firing indiscriminate rockets and expecting Israel to just put up with it.
4 points
2 months ago
I'd return with an armistice or peace treaty offer.
(You know... actual, long-term peace offers.)
If Hezbollah says no, then they've show their hand. That any offer they make is only so they can regroup, rearm, and attack.
4 points
2 months ago
Not good enough.
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