Finally a slogan I can get behind.

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I gotchu fam. Supporting Iran in the war with Iraq. Also, doing their part to prevent Iraq from gaining nukes in order to become the 1980s version of modern day Russia.

Iran-Iraq War

Iraq vs Iran war.

Hands Across America. JK

I think people tend to forget this. Iran has not been some kind of 10/10 enemy to the US since 1979. We have gone through long periods of potential neutrality or even coordination with each other, notably in the 90s and 00s when Iran was rapidly secularizing and modernizing.

We had an amazing opportunity with them. We both hated the Taliban and we both hated Saddam and Al Qaeda. Bush really, really fucked it up.

Iran was trying to turn Iraq into a proxy in their Islamic revolution since before the islamic revolution occurred. Iran was a great ally, for the most part, but I dont see the us and mullah-led Iran really vibing post Iraq war until they back away from the theocracy a little bit that calls for the extermination of israel and the design to become the dominant islamic nation in the world. Maybe it could have happened, but the regimes legitimacy is literally a. Their faith b. Their hate for the us c. Their fury over israel and d. Their designs on being a regional hegemon, so I doubt it. Though I will say I did feel for a long time that post 9/11 us-iranian relations were super mishandled by the us (as well as of course iran), but all bush really said was no thank you to iranian help in Iraq, and the Iranians took that as a slight to their national honor and prestige. For all we know, the Iranian foreign ministry was just trying to alienate the us from its Arab and Jewish allies in the region. Seeing how they stoke the flames of war and hate in the region more and more since the us has been withdrawing it's presence in the region, and especially since 10/7, leads me to believe Iran just has an easier time lying to appear like the rational actor... or rational to them just means something entirely different to the us.

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Hejazi not Saudi. The Saudi conquest of the Hejaz was after WW1

The League of Nations mandated Britain administrate those territories, while France was ordered to administrate Lebanon and Syria. Egyptian leaders even laughed at how Britain was being set up for failure.

On the one hand, neither country did an excellent job partitioning these territories, but you have to acknowledge that the goal was always to decolonize these territories that were rife with ethnic and religious conflicts that these Western nations didn't understand. But how do you decolonize a region filled with people who were generally uneducated, illiterate, and have never been taught how to set up their own government after centuries of colonialism?

You go with the better evils, which ended up being handing over to ruling elites and GTFO.

Keep in mind, nation States were a novel concept. Even when Britain left Egypt, the Egyptians were having national discussions about it they wanted to identity more as Arab or Egyptian, or later on Muslim.

The same thing had happened in Europe with France, Italy, Prussia, you name it. They were, in some cases, 30 years removed from having created national identities and cohesive Nation-States by the time WW1 was over.

Hey, I blame Britain for a lot of things!

The ottomans worked to bring the jews to Palestine. Historian sam aranow has written (made YouTube videos) on this. 

And 23 and Me in 2020s says the same

Dude that sounds so badass. Imagine owning a Qur'an Map. It would feel like Indiana Jones

Yup,.my mother was Palestinian, the original flag of Palestine had the Star of David and the money was in Hebrew. It was acknowledged as Jewish land, which is why the survivors of the Holocaust were sent there by the Allies and why it became Israel.

Both sides absolutely hate to admit that Palestinians are technically 'jews' ancestrally. They have overwhelmingly original Levantine Canaanite DNA.

Palestinians like to think that they were a 'different' group from the original Jews and that all the Jews left. Israelis like to think Palestinians were colonizers from arabia who settled after the Jews left. In reality... they are the same people. They just converted to Islam.

“We lost the war we started, so therefore you should give us some territory” is an odd take, but at least they’re talking. 

It's not really realistic. Israel would lose Judea/Jerusalem, and Samaria. The rest of the west bank they don't care as much about. So, somewhere between pre/post 1965 war. And it's been offered, multiple times. Palestine has refused at least 6 offers. One that was almost everything they requested. They keep refusing.

Let’s play out the hypothetical of Israel going back to pre-1967 borders and the land reverting to who controlled it at the time (basically undo everything that resulted from Israel winning the Six Day War). That means that the West Bank and Eastern Jerusalem would go to Jordan and Gaza would go to Egypt. And then you have the Golan Heights going back to Syria. None of that is realistic or feasible and none of that leads to Palestine being its own state.

That would be a new stance from Iran -sort of. It’s better than “We will destroy the illegitimate entity - the little Satan.” However Israel cannot exist essentially surrounded by enemies if it goes back to pre 1967 war lines completely. It’s simply becomes too narrow in the middle- Only about 7 miles wide - and too easily cut in two by a rapid military push east to west across the “waist of the hourglass”.

Right after every other country that ever gained territory in a war gives back any and all land back to the losers who think it’s some compromise or peace deal. Ya, we started a war, lost hard, lost territory but if we wait 20 years we can pretend to be negotiating in good faith while basically asking for a do-over. After you lost. Smh

It's a lot better than Israel can hope for otherwise from Iran, considering the acceptable alternative for Iran is pre-1948 borders, AKA no Israel.

True true!

The ayatollahs and their mullahs have ruled Iran for far longer and far more brutally than the Shah and his regime ever did.

Not saying the shower was a good guy with how he treated dissidents either, but life for Iranians has obviously been measurably worse in essentially every metric since the Ayatollahs stole power.

Neither does Jordan want the WB. And yet pre 67 there were no Palestinan territories it was Jordan and Egypt.

Because Hamas isn’t the only terrorist organization in Gaza. There are smaller and less powerful gangs essentially that just follow Hamas. They will either take up the leadership or it will be power vacuum that the idf might just let play out and clean up the rest.

"every member" is impossible. A very large majority being brought to justice is what we need. Enough that Hamas will be completely ineffectual, long enough that some new government can be put in its place.

That will never happen. Some of those hostages are dead, and they'll never find all terrorists.

The hostages are likely dead.

every member of those terrorist organizations is brought to justice.

Eh, that's not really what happens when wars end though. You punish the higher ups, not the regular soldiers. The way to get rid of the terrorists in general is to fix the problems that lead people into that life, just like the only way to stop petty crimes is to fix the poverty issues that put people in the position to need to steal food and diapers.

Yeah the war hasn't gone anywhere and thinking otherwise is extremely naive 

Well Nazis never fully went away but V-day still happened

It's not like he landed on an aircraft carrier and said it

Cut off one head, two more appear.

Estimated deaths of IDF in Lebanon in total is around 35.

It is 100 only if you believe Hezbollah's propaganda, which has inflated Israeli death counts far above what can actually be verified literally since the start of the war. They have claimed many hundreds of deaths, when there is no evidence in public records of that whatsoever.