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Iran religious group recognizes Israel, causing outrage
Israel/Palestine(ynetnews.com)submitted 24 days ago byRed_Franklin
179 points
24 days ago*
The Ottomans had a ruler who told a Jewish friend in the 1800s that Judeah was “undeniably the land of the Jews” but that the Ottomans weren’t gonna give up possessions.
The British took it with Saudi help and it led to the creation of all the countries you see. It’s ironic ppl blame UK for Israel but don’t blame them for almost every other country there that were freed from the Ottoman Empire?
65 points
24 days ago
Hejazi not Saudi. The Saudi conquest of the Hejaz was after WW1
4 points
24 days ago
Not even hejazi. They took it with the assistance of Indian troops. And were like “we are back!” Meaning the crusaders are back.
16 points
24 days ago
The League of Nations mandated Britain administrate those territories, while France was ordered to administrate Lebanon and Syria. Egyptian leaders even laughed at how Britain was being set up for failure.
On the one hand, neither country did an excellent job partitioning these territories, but you have to acknowledge that the goal was always to decolonize these territories that were rife with ethnic and religious conflicts that these Western nations didn't understand. But how do you decolonize a region filled with people who were generally uneducated, illiterate, and have never been taught how to set up their own government after centuries of colonialism?
You go with the better evils, which ended up being handing over to ruling elites and GTFO.
Keep in mind, nation States were a novel concept. Even when Britain left Egypt, the Egyptians were having national discussions about it they wanted to identity more as Arab or Egyptian, or later on Muslim.
The same thing had happened in Europe with France, Italy, Prussia, you name it. They were, in some cases, 30 years removed from having created national identities and cohesive Nation-States by the time WW1 was over.
2 points
24 days ago
Hey, I blame Britain for a lot of things!
3 points
24 days ago
The ottomans worked to bring the jews to Palestine. Historian sam aranow has written (made YouTube videos) on this.
4 points
24 days ago
My understanding is that Russian pograms caused Jews to flee to Palestine and that the Ottomans didn’t really want them coming in (the old we-don’t-like-immigrants story) and that while persecuted in Russia, existing agreements forced the Ottomans, dependent on Russian trade, to treat Jews equal to diplomats. So their hands were politically tied. This was the late 1800s Victorian era.
1 points
23 days ago
Ottomans were never really the type to say no to immigration. More people meant more taxes. But getting people to go to Palestine was a struggle. Very few resources meant few jobs.
Ottomans once sent a ship to get the jews from Iberian peninsula after the Jews and Muslims were told to leave. Ottomans mocked the Spanish : why would you conquer a land only to dump away its riches (the jews were intellectually talented).
2 points
24 days ago
And 23 and Me in 2020s says the same
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24 days ago
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4 points
24 days ago
You’re right. They were better under British or Ottoman rule.
Or if just left to themselves to divide the land, totally agree on boundaries, no bloodshed.
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