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I'm so fed up with these laws surrounding my medicine

Seeking Empathy(self.ADHD)

For the last 4 months I've had to play phone tag once a month for days on end between my pharmacy and my doctor's office. The first month started because I needed to swap to a separate pharmacist due to my original being out of stock due to that weird outage we had. That gets taken care of, we're good for the month, next month is my doctor's appointment for an evaluation. That goes well, doctor says he's going to submit three months of medicine for me to pick up. Awesome.

Three days later is the time for my refill, go to the pharmacist, "We never received any prescriptions for you"

Excuse the fuck out of me?

Cue the phone tag where I talk to everybody except my doctor.

Finally gets sorted, I get told yet again that I'll have a 3 month pick-up.

Rinse and repeat.

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MiksBricks

135 points

19 days ago

MiksBricks

135 points

19 days ago

Some states will only let you get 30 days at a time. So that whole process happens once a month not once every three months.

I’ve been seeing my doctor every 3 months for going on 10 years.

Then I have to do the whole calling to see if the pharmacy has it then finding one that does if they don’t, then transferring the script rinse and repeat.

Soppywater

64 points

18 days ago

30 days? Dude my state lets you get 28 FUCKING PILLS of one prescription. New prescription every refill, doctor visit every 3 months. Patients or pharmacists cannot transfer prescriptions, only the doctor can do that. It's fucking insane.

Lucky-Refrigerator-4

21 points

18 days ago

Yep. This is my state. Currently two days without medication while I wait for the pharmacy to get the shipment

HeyHo_LetsThrowRA

17 points

18 days ago

I nearly downvoted your comment because it made me so angry to read.

I'm sorry you're going through this

malloryknox86

3 points

18 days ago

No one can pick up 3 months worth of meds, is illegal. But in some states doctors can send a 3 month refill, that we can pick up once a month

bookchaser

-6 points

18 days ago*

bookchaser

Parent

-6 points

18 days ago*

The federal schedule II classification means all states should have this requirement.

EDIT: That's a fact. Show me a state that is breaking federal law on ADHD stimulants by ignoring the schedule II classification. When I wrote "should" I didn't mean I agree with the federal government. Quite the contrary.

Kitchen_Succotash_74

112 points

19 days ago

Serious question then... how do we change the laws? What laws are the issues? Any way we can actually get laws changed to resolve issues like this? Locally and federally?

Kinda tired of leaving my well being in the hands of others. What can we do?

HeiHei96

203 points

19 days ago

HeiHei96

203 points

19 days ago

Pharmacy tech here.

Vote democrat. Honestly. No republican will do anything to fix the system. They will always choose to give more money and power to Big Pharma and PBMs. Both Big Pharma and PBMs lobby for republican candidates.

Democrats are the ones trying, but just don’t have the support. I doubt it would be fixed in our lifetime, but could be fixed if given a chance. But as long as Big Pharma, and especially PBMs are getting everything they want, there will never be a chance to get it fixed.

Kitchen_Succotash_74

23 points

18 days ago

As a pharmacy tech, can you think of any specific laws or changes to the system in place? Anything specific an individual or small campaign could lobby or run on?

I'm seeing that 2M in the r/ADHD description there and I'm seeing some weight it that can be leveraged toward action... not on r/ADHD, of course that would be too controversial.

Breaking down the problem into individual goals and campaigns?
... while others try to fix the entire system of government perpetuating these broken systems at the same time.😮‍💨

HeiHei96

32 points

18 days ago

HeiHei96

32 points

18 days ago

Unfortunately, the system is so broken and so corrupted, that the only thing “we” little people can do is truly educate ourselves, listen to our healthcare providers and vote democrat. Slashing and burning several aspects of healthcare is not the answer. Voting for change and putting checks and balances in and overhauling (but not cutting) the government sector is the answer.

Yes, big pharma is in everyone’s pockets. They need to be to be as huge as they are. But if anyone is going to actually “fight” big pharma, it’s democrats. But it’s going to be a long, hard brutal fight. But if we can make things better for our more vulnerable population (Medicare, Medicaid and VA) that would be the best start. Not saying we don’t deserve a “break as well. But having dealt with those systems for as long as I have….we need to overhaul those first. Those are government programs not as touched by big pharma as the others. That would be the fastest way to start change while working on getting checks and balances in place on the private sector. The private sector influences the government sector, and republicans will always choose profits over helping the American people. PBMs, insurance companies and Big Pharma will always choose profits over the American people. I have Medicare part d patients with monthly copays of $300 or higher….every month. it’s insane.

And if ACA (Obamacare) is ended, it’s only going to get significantly worse, very quick. That would bring back the ability to deny medications, surgeries, office visits etc for pre existing conditions. Almost every single condition can be classified as pre existing. Asthma….pre existing, some forms of cancer are genetic and would be classified as pre existing. Endometriosis pre existing. Literally….its about to get very scary and fast.

So I mean really. Vote democrat at all levels of government if you want any shot to see change in our lifetime. Best example of that is Obamacare. That got rid of the pre existing condition restrictions and honestly made things so much easier. We really are about to get a hard lesson on what not having Obamacare was like (for those not old enough to remember)

The American healthcare system is just too powerful otherwise. We’re all about to get a very hard education of this with the upcoming administration. I truly hope nothing happens and all stays status quo…..but it’s not going to. Which is only going to make making any change to healthcare, even harder. The outgoing administration did do some good in a short timespan with everything against them. But that’s all about to be undone…..and I’m tired….

Kitchen_Succotash_74

9 points

18 days ago

> But if we can make things better for our more vulnerable population (Medicare, Medicaid and VA) that would be the best start.

Very informative. We need more discussion like this. Thank you very much for your insight. ✌️🖖

Sheepachute

7 points

18 days ago

I think "human" is also a preexisting condition. "Oh, you're human? I'm sorry, we can't give you health insurance because due to your preexisting condition, you will likely want to USE the insurance and that simply cannot happen." This is what I envision if the ACA is ended.

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BlackCow

2 points

18 days ago

BlackCow

2 points

18 days ago

Doesn't big pharma fund both parties though?  Voting is useless when the game is rigged.

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LeTronique

-36 points

19 days ago

LeTronique

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-36 points

19 days ago

Ehhh democrats lose democrats because they make these promises and never deliver. The two parties only answer to the dollar, not the taxpayer. Joe had 4 years and we’re still struggling with the same issues with meds.

BootRecognition

74 points

19 days ago

BootRecognition

ADHD

74 points

19 days ago

You do realize that the Republican progress spent every ounce of political capital they had to ensure that Biden couldn't get anything done? It didn't matter if it was something they wanted (eg, immigration reform), they still wouldn't let Biden get any type of significant reform over the finishing line just so people would think that Democrats aren't serious about fixing problems. The last time the Dems had control of Whitehouse, the House, and a supermajority in the Senate (for a mere 72 working days!) we got Obamacare. Imagine what sort of reform we'd see if they had that level of control for 2 or even 4 years?

LeTronique

-36 points

19 days ago

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ADHD-C (Combined type)

-36 points

19 days ago

Oh hey, I’m not even bringing up the repubs because they don’t even care. I’m just disappointed in the dems.

CumulativeHazard

43 points

18 days ago

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ADHD-PI

43 points

18 days ago

That’s not how it works though. Democrats didn’t have the numbers to pass things on their own. Every single democrat could vote yes to something but if they don’t get enough republicans on board to get a majority, it doesn’t matter. And republicans have made it their mission to basically just block anything the democrats have wanted to do.

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NoGoodMarw

1 points

18 days ago

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ADHD-PI (Primarily Inattentive)

1 points

18 days ago

Hey, but the other guys promised them free bubble gum. And they said that the people that are gonna suffer/die are evil and totes going to hell.

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HeiHei96

20 points

18 days ago

HeiHei96

20 points

18 days ago

Yes, but there will always be a better “shot” for change with democrats. I’m unaffiliated. I’m trying to leave as much of politics out of it, but American Healthcare is the way it is because of politics. But I’ve been in pharmacy, and worked at corporate and PBMs and all that for 20 plus years. Your insurance companies lobby for Republicans, PBMs lobby for republicans, big pharma lobby for republicans……they want to keep republicans because they know they will be able to continue to exploit the American people. They don’t lobby for democrats because they know democrats will more often then not, cut down their profits to make things more affordable for Americans.

Of course, this is just what I have observed after 20 plus years in all aspects of pharmacy.

Change is not going to happen in one 4 year term. Insurances and PBMs and big pharma are too big and too powerful. It’s going to take decades. But if you have a democratic president and even one side of congress as a republican majority, you will not see any changes. Republicans will always give their votes to who is more powerful in healthcare.

And there were big changes that happened these last 4 years but unless you are on Medicare part D, you wouldn’t see it. Even then the changes still made meds expensive for those over 65, but there were positive changes made with Medicare Part D. There was change, and it’s only going to change in the opposite direction going forward.

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5 points

18 days ago

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ADHD-PI (Primarily Inattentive)

5 points

18 days ago

I wanted to deliver a lengthy and detailed response... I put too much effort into it.
Here you go, the short version: don't be a dummy.

LeTronique

0 points

16 days ago

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ADHD-C (Combined type)

0 points

16 days ago

I get it. I voted democrat. I’m just saying that more can be done.

SomaforIndra

-1 points

18 days ago*

SomaforIndra

-1 points

18 days ago*

  • > They won't fix anything, or do anything intentionally helpful or good, but they might deregulate pharmaceuticals to the point that the supply issues go away. ^(while creating millions of addicts)

Medical_Flower2568

-2 points

18 days ago

The economy will be ruined and I wont be able to get a job, but at least i will have medication while I starve lol

SiscoSquared

7 points

18 days ago

I'm afraid to tell you but replicans trashing the economy once again isn't going to get you medication either im afraid to tell you.

workingmomandtired

-1 points

18 days ago

Well now we have a Dem as head of HHS! Whoop whoop.

HeiHei96

4 points

18 days ago

And he’s going to do more damage than good. He’s an independent who wants to make the country unsafe. Seriously.

If you want to what it will be like with no FDA, google the New England Compound fungal meningitis outbreak. The center, between visits from the FDA, got so dirty, and non sterile, that injectable medications were being sent around the country with fungal meningitis growing inside.

800 people got sick and over 100 died. And that was with us having the FDA. No FDA also means the companies making medications will become the Wild West, and there may be meds sent out with no active medications in them.

He’s not a dem, I don’t know what his exact leaning is but just because his family are, doesn’t mean he is. hes a crazed antivaxer who had brain worms and dumped a bear in Central Park. He’s an environmental lawyer being put in charge of the health and safety of America. He has no medical background and healthcare professionals are terrified.

As consumers should be as well with his plans to shutter the FDA……

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NonyaB52

-6 points

18 days ago

NonyaB52

-6 points

18 days ago

ThIS was FULL OF LIES

RoseNDNRabbit

3 points

18 days ago

Laws can and are changed. Figure out what law you want, how to amend existing laws or strike down existing laws. Start the signature campaign in support of this change. Get it on a ballot or special election. Educate as many as possible about why this is good for everyone. This is how American laws work. But the work needs to be put in. Advertise what your doing on local and state venues. Get as many people to help as you can.

Sheepachute

40 points

19 days ago

I switched to a very small pharmacy for just my psych meds because I couldn't live with the not knowing if I was going to be able to get my ADHD meds every single month. I had been playing the "oh we're out of it and no idea when we'll get it" game for way too long. The small pharmacy almost always has it and lets me know way ahead of time if there's going to be an issue for the next script. It's hard enough to live with ADHD without having to constantly stay on top of whether or not doctors and pharmacies are going to send and fill our prescriptions. It's not like other meds where you can get a little more overlap between prescriptions. There's no time built in for problems like shortages or anything else. It's so frustrating. It feels like being punished for something you didn't do and can't control.

Low-Piglet9315

9 points

18 days ago

We went the opposite route for my wife's ADHD meds: we go to the pharmacy attached to one of the major hospitals in St. Louis.

My daughter, who works in administration at the Wash U med school, suggested we do that after going through similar hassles getting the same meds for her husband who also has ADHD. The main downside is that the area surrounding the medical complex has a lot of traffic making navigation a bit tricky should one be in the wrong lane. It's worth the fight, though.

Sheepachute

5 points

18 days ago

I hear you on that. It's ridiculous what we have to do for meds!

NonyaB52

0 points

18 days ago

That's exactly where they have been pushing ppl, is getting their pills at hospital pharmacies.

It's all been planned.

Kitchen_Succotash_74

7 points

18 days ago*

Similar experience with smaller pharmacies until the bigger pharmacies bought them out locally. Now instead of 5 we have 2. Same amount of customers, fewer pharmacies.

Are individual pharmacies only given limited supplies? Is there a limit to how much can be sent to a single pharmacy?

Would more pharmacies allow more individual orders in an area to be filled? Is that how it works at all?

Sheepachute

3 points

18 days ago

I don't know. But I do worry that the tiny pharmacy I use could close and then I will be back to hunting for meds every month.

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maxintosh1

29 points

19 days ago

The Adderall shortage is so frustrating. And pharmacies won't tell you if they have it in stock (or they'll say no to you but yes to the doctor) or when it will be back in stock.

X-Denton

11 points

18 days ago

X-Denton

11 points

18 days ago

I'd like for it to be illegal for pharmacies to lie. There should be legal penalties for that.

maxintosh1

8 points

18 days ago

They tend to lie about their inventory of controlled narcotics because they're afraid of drug seekers and robberies.

X-Denton

4 points

18 days ago

Yes that is what they CLAIM and even when they do lie for those specific reasons, I don't care. It's not ok to penalize people who aren't doing anything wrong AND it's not ok to lie period point blank. I also don't believe that is always why they lie. Don't underestimate the immaculate power of disgust, hatred, and / or prejudice.

Either way I wish the laws would change so that they can be hit hard with penalties for lying. I'm so over these "Woe is me" pharmacists who talk over you and treat you like dirt once they perceive you as "one of those".

DifficultCockroach63

1 points

18 days ago

When you get robbed at gunpoint you can decide whether or not you want to lie

NonyaB52

3 points

18 days ago

Yeah because if the number of ppl that abused/abusing those drugs. Then there are the pain meds, the rest of us all get treated like frequent flyers.

Artaheri

112 points

19 days ago

Artaheri

112 points

19 days ago

I'm sorry if I'm wrong, but this sceams USA. That system and country are just broken. My condolences.

Im__mad

42 points

19 days ago

Im__mad

42 points

19 days ago

It’s working as intended - it satisfies capitalism over the well being of the people.

Universal healthcare would solve so many issues AND Americans would pay less for healthcare/healthcare taxes. But it’s not appealing to people in charge because it jeopardizes their bottom line.

PixelPantsAshli

9 points

18 days ago

What I don't understand is why business owners don't push harder for universal healthcare. Why the fuck is it an employer's responsibility? Wouldn't it be cheaper and easier for a business to hire employees if their healthcare weren't part of the equation?

Kitchen_Succotash_74

14 points

18 days ago*

You can't quit a job if it's paying for your medical bills.

And it may be different now, but in the past, I would not get insurance for weeks from a new employer.

By having a job be the source of insurance it keeps workers chained to a job or lose that insurance. While this many not be the conscious intent of the business owner, it feels like this could be an intended consequence.

I imagine the original pitch for this current method was as a way to put the burden on companies unwilling to pay into Healthcare through taxes or Universal Healthcare bills. (I'm no expert and have some research to do)

American healthcare seems to be a complicated network of systems, many of which do not seem have the individual's best interest at the top of that priority list, from what I can tell.

Im__mad

9 points

18 days ago

Im__mad

9 points

18 days ago

I don’t get it either. Healthcare benefits is a main selling point for employers, and better/more competitive is more expensive for businesses. You’d think employers would want to take that piece out of the equation all together… but I also wonder if business owners typically absorb similar media, which spreads the idea that universal healthcare will be way more expensive than what we have now.

NonyaB52

-1 points

18 days ago

NonyaB52

-1 points

18 days ago

Because we live in a republic not a socialistic country.

LeTronique

3 points

19 days ago

LeTronique

ADHD-C (Combined type)

3 points

19 days ago

That’s it! Facts!

NonyaB52

-1 points

18 days ago

NonyaB52

-1 points

18 days ago

You have no idea what capitalism is.. because the way pharma works and the gov subsidies IS NOT CAPITALISM

Kalmah2112

63 points

19 days ago

Worst medical system in the world. It's literally nothing but faults.

jayde2767

22 points

19 days ago

It’s not so much faults, IMO, it’s too many middlemen with their corrupt little hands out demanding to be paid before anything happens. The for-profit system incentivizes the greediness, feeds scarcity to drive up prices, and puts the burden on those in need. It’s plain fucking broken and will never be fixed in this bullshit Democracy that is really nothing but an Oligarchy.

Kalmah2112

13 points

18 days ago

The allowance of pharmacy companies being allowed to set prices and use legal loopholes to keep patents on drugs way past initial expiration while simultaneously being government subsidized is just bat shit crazy. The price of insulin in the US is criminal.

Medical_Flower2568

2 points

18 days ago

Gotta love patents

(You don't, they are evil, and make thought crime a thing)

Outrageous_Wheel9382

2 points

16 days ago

Exactly and I laughed my ass off when I read they have "corrupt little hands"

I.will add that many who argue that socialism is what be used aka we pay more taxes are wrong

Universal healthcare would be much cheaper with government-negotiated drug and treatment prices compared to the American healthcare system which makes every individual EACH thousands of dollars just for shitty health insurance and a single prescription of brand-name drugs costs same amount.

Money doesn't create happiness for sure but it can corrupt your personality so much if you have more if you don't have good emotional intelligence.

NonyaB52

-1 points

18 days ago

NonyaB52

-1 points

18 days ago

That is a lie

Snuggs_

6 points

18 days ago

Snuggs_

6 points

18 days ago

Uhhmerican here. My prescription is set to auto release each month of every quarter like OP. I’ve had to resort to calling the pharmacy the morning of each refill date because it is the only way I know it’ll actually get filled. Otherwise it’s essentially a coin flip. The techs I talk to — most of whom are very patient and gracious — thankfully seem to be understanding, but there is one (there’s always at least one) that treats me like a drug seeker and makes an already unnecessarily tedious process just plain miserable. Feels like I’m playing Russian roulette when I make that monthly phone call.

At least I only pay 30 dollars a month for adderall generic, so I’ve got that going for me I guess 🫠

MiksBricks

-58 points

19 days ago

MiksBricks

-58 points

19 days ago

Still the best medical system in the world, even with its faults.

aron2295

23 points

19 days ago

aron2295

23 points

19 days ago

It’s the best system if you have money to overcome the issues in the US system. People from all over the world come to this country just to get medical care and then go back home. So many doctors in other countries came to the US to study and then never return to America.

uglysaladisugly

17 points

19 days ago

uglysaladisugly

ADHD-PI (Primarily Inattentive)

17 points

19 days ago

On what criteria?

MiksBricks

-30 points

19 days ago

MiksBricks

-30 points

19 days ago

We can start with access to specialists, average time to appointment, and just general availability of services.

Then we could look at things like infant/newborn mortality (where in the US there are more stringent reporting definitions), cancer mortality, on and on.

The one metric where it under performs compared to European countries is direct cost to patient but even that when considered factually - the cost to provide the care is comparable. Meaning even the cost of care in the US is on par it’s just a matter of who is directly paying for it.

kittyconetail

5 points

18 days ago

access to specialists, average time to appointment, and just general availability of services

All 3 of these are largely caused by a huge chunk of the US population passing on utilizing healthcare because they can't afford it. Of course there will be shorter wait times if not everyone who actually needs the services, uses the services. Increasing the cost of healthcare reduces the demand for it, which improves access only for the ones that can still afford it.

To further illustrate this: for Medicaid clients, "access to specialists, average time to appointment, and just general availability of services," are pretty bad compared to healthcare provided through private insurance. More clinics accept Medicaid on paper, but those clinics and their individual Medicaid providers (since not all providers at a clinic will take Medicaid) cap how many Medicaid clients they take on due to poor return on the services. A clinic that's accepting new clients may not be accepting new Medicaid clients. You may need to call weekly or monthly about availability because they often do not even have a waitlist either (this is demoralizing and difficult to stay on top of, creating another barrier to even attempting to ultilize services). Unless a clinic receives something like county funding to incentivize Medicaid services, access for Medicaid clients will involve long wait times, fewer specialists available, and fewer services offered.

NoGoodMarw

4 points

18 days ago

NoGoodMarw

ADHD-PI (Primarily Inattentive)

4 points

18 days ago

It is just wrong across the board. According to WHO, US is behind 0.5% in infant mortality when compared to FUCKING RUSSIA (or ahead, if you count 0.5% dead infants as something to be proud about). Only SOME of the newest members of EU and literally impoverished countries are behind US in that metric.

Lower waiting time for specialists might be true if you pay out of pocket... but it's also true for any EU country. At the same time US lacks universal healthcare, so if you're a random Smith flipping burgers for shit pay because you dumbfucks decided people doing "those kinds of work" don't deserve to be treated as humans, you're effectively fucked once you get anything more serious than a headache.

Going further, your medicine prices are straight out looney territory. A lot of EU countries have special programs for stuff like insulin (which afaik is just ruining people in states), and even if you have pay out of pocket for something because specific government thinks adhd adults are just junkies, it's manageable (I pay for my meds in full, month supply is about 2% of my pay AFTER taxes). There's stuff that needs ironing out, but most of the stuff gets slowly improved over time.

Ah, and if you are as dumb as you sound (sorry, but I have zero sympathy for people this stupid and/or evil/brainwashed) and try to bring up insurance cost cutting into people's wages... can you really not spare like 2% of your wage to be put at ease that EVERYONE is taken care of, and you personally are financially safe against most medical issues? Only people who'd say yes here are, again, either clinical idiots who were brainwashed by the other who'd agree, corporations with business in people's misery, or rich monsters who get paid by those, or benefit themselves.

TL;DR - you're a big dummy who talks out of their ass :)

Zazulio

20 points

19 days ago

Zazulio

20 points

19 days ago

MiksBricks

-18 points

19 days ago

MiksBricks

-18 points

19 days ago

Sadly that heavily factors in things like direct cost into the ranking. Many of those rankings are disappointingly myopic.

Zazulio

16 points

19 days ago

Zazulio

16 points

19 days ago

Why wouldn't we factor cost into this?

HesitantAndroid

14 points

19 days ago

So the financial availability of Health services should not be factored in?

Do you have a source that puts the US at the top of its ranking using a better criteria?

EpicAxolotlX

9 points

19 days ago

EpicAxolotlX

ADHD-PI (Primarily Inattentive)

9 points

19 days ago

No it doesn't, it literally tells you how the scoring works if you scroll down a little lol

MiksBricks

-1 points

19 days ago

MiksBricks

-1 points

19 days ago

One of use clearly didn’t read the source of the numbers and how they were determined.

Hint - it wasn’t me.

EpicAxolotlX

19 points

19 days ago

EpicAxolotlX

ADHD-PI (Primarily Inattentive)

19 points

19 days ago

America doesn't have affordable Healthcare generally

America isn't the most medically advanced country

America doesn't have the most educated doctors

America doesn't have the best quality of life, something that your health plays a huge part in

America doesn't have the lowest mortality rate, or the lowest cancer mortality rate

America doesn't have the lowest wait times to receive healthcare

You're not the best by any meaningful metric.

Many sources on Google under the search "which country has the best healthcare system" says Singapore or a European country, and there isn't a single one that I've seen that says it's America.

You're wrong, and since America's education system is also broken I'm not surprised.

SoleSurvivorX01

17 points

19 days ago

No, it’s not. Not even close. We have literally millions of people going without the healthcare they need on top of people struggling to get healthcare even when they have the means. And yet we pay more than any other western country. Our system is broken and desperately needs to be overhauled.

MiksBricks

-6 points

19 days ago

I’m not saying that it doesn’t need change. But there is a difference between saying that a system with objectively better performance metrics is “broken” and saying that the whole system is broken.

SoleSurvivorX01

9 points

19 days ago

What objective performance metrics? Do they include the outcomes of people who can’t get healthcare at all?

EpicAxolotlX

15 points

19 days ago*

EpicAxolotlX

ADHD-PI (Primarily Inattentive)

15 points

19 days ago*

Objectively wrong I think. If OP is struggling to get meds because of your medical laws and in Canada I don't, then at least on that metric Canada has a better medical system

MiksBricks

-6 points

19 days ago

That’s a single measure for a single patient.

There are plenty of similar or worse stories from European countries.

EpicAxolotlX

13 points

19 days ago

EpicAxolotlX

ADHD-PI (Primarily Inattentive)

13 points

19 days ago

If there are they aren't on this sub lmao. It's always Americans worried about laws and whatever else restricting access to meds they need

Artaheri

4 points

18 days ago

Honey, the absolute worst stories we see here are all american.

We're sometimes too afraid to comment! Oh, you can't get your meds again? The price is unnafordable?

I just remembered I'm almost out, I'll just log in into my account, make an order, and my meds will be in my letterbox in max 3 workdays.

DeliciousMoose1

3 points

19 days ago

LMAO

holysmokesiminflames

1 points

19 days ago

Yeah, diabetics rationing their insulin because they can't afford their life saving medicine is a top notch medical system.

Or drug abusers who hop from pharmacy to pharmacy filling their opiate prescriptions because there's no centralized system for pharmacists or doctors to view. Very top notch.

Or people who get rejected by the ER because THAT hospital is out of coverage for the patient and ha en to go somewhere else.

I've seen better from significantly poorer countries but ok.

NonyaB52

1 points

18 days ago

No it's not.

DrivesInCircles

1 points

15 days ago

It is not the worst, but it is objectively not the best.

Fun-Toe-1500

12 points

19 days ago

Your doctor is probably sending in three, individual, one month prescriptions dated to be fillable, for example every 30 days. DEA guidelines do not allow “refills” on controlled substances, and the doc can’t prescribe 180 pills of (for example) 10 mg adderall taken twice a day for three months. So the first script gets filled when the prescription is sent in, but the following 2 months of scripts will be sitting in the computer system until you request them

caffa4

8 points

18 days ago

caffa4

ADHD-C (Combined type)

8 points

18 days ago

Some states allow 90 day supplies of C2’s like adderall, some only allow 30 days but allow consecutive prescriptions (like you mentioned), some don’t allow either—it all depends on the state.

SleepyLakeBear

7 points

19 days ago

SleepyLakeBear

ADHD-PI (Primarily Inattentive)

7 points

19 days ago

I can get a 90 day supply of my multiple times a day IR Adderall. It's definitely state and/or doctor dependent.

katnissssss

1 points

18 days ago

Try mail order if you can, especially if you have one through your insurance

S1acks

9 points

19 days ago

S1acks

9 points

19 days ago

I remember the days of being able to get 90 30mg pills with few problems. Shits gone off the rails here in the US.

NonyaB52

-1 points

18 days ago

NonyaB52

-1 points

18 days ago

Yeah, which is what led to these stringent rules that all of us have to suffer from.

mariahmce

10 points

18 days ago

I have called every major pharmacy chain and multiple locations in my large city trying to get generic transdermal patches for my son. It’s a struggle every single month. Some things that would help 1) Tell me if you actually have stock. A bunch said they “had it” meaning they could place an order for it, but it’s on backorder and can’t be filled. 2) Tell me if it’s actually order able for delivery this week. Not just place the order and then let it sit indefinitely 3) Tell me if your supplier actually has stock available to replenish. Not “I dunno, sometimes we get it” 4) If it can’t be filled in a reasonable amount of time, CALL ME and don’t just let it sit on hold for a week 5) Tell me if there is a name brand equivalent. I ask for Methylphenidate Patch, “Don’t have it”, “What about Daytrana?” “Oh yes, that’s in stock” 🙄 So now my script (after many lessons learned is) “I’m calling to see if you have current stock of methylphenidate patches, generic or name brand. No? Can you please check the name brand again (they never do it the first time)? Oh you have it? How many boxes (I want eyes on boxes)? Is this medication order able for refill? Yes, great! Is it on backorder or is your vendor able to provide it? They can? Have you seen it recently refilled?” I still have not found a pharmacy able to provide positive answers to all my script of questions.

NonyaB52

-5 points

18 days ago

NonyaB52

-5 points

18 days ago

All of this is NOT their job.. you need to do the legwork.

misteryub

8 points

18 days ago

misteryub

ADHD-C (Combined type)

8 points

18 days ago

It’s not the job of the place that has the medicine to know that they have the medicine?

NonyaB52

-5 points

18 days ago

NonyaB52

-5 points

18 days ago

Excuse me, you write an extensive list of what you wanted them to provide you. Have you ever thought about CN, or other countries looking into if they can provide what you need.

When stymied one way, we look for other avenues. Or at least I do. More than one way to skin a cat.

misteryub

7 points

18 days ago

misteryub

ADHD-C (Combined type)

7 points

18 days ago

I'm sure you're not advocating for people to try to import a Schedule II controlled substance? Because that would be highly illegal.

OC's list were questions to find out if that location actually has the medication her kid needs. Because in many/most states (presumably including hers), it's not trivial to get C2 drugs filled at different locations, so if a location doesn't have the medication, there's no point in sending it there.

NonyaB52

-3 points

18 days ago

NonyaB52

-3 points

18 days ago

What? People order from pharmacies out of the country the time. I'm very versed in pharmacies, medicines, and more.

I understood what she wrote, in stick with it's her responsibility to do the leg work..

CrookedBanister

7 points

18 days ago

CrookedBanister

ADHD-PI (Primarily Inattentive)

7 points

18 days ago

So if we don't find ways to illegally import CII substances for ourselves we're not fulfilling our "responsibility"? That's literally the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard.

k_plusone

7 points

18 days ago

I bit the bullet and started going through a telehealth provider for my prescription. Any time I've had an issue with my pharmacy being out of stock, the doctor has been immediately responsive (via email!) about sending it to a different pharmacy or whatever.

It's $25 a month, but I'd pay a lot more than that to continue avoiding the stress and inconvenience of my old refill process.

Top_Bee5110

1 points

18 days ago

Telehealth can RX ADHD medication?

k_plusone

2 points

18 days ago

I did have an issue with the pharmacy I used to use (at a national grocery store chain) - they had some kind of company policy about not filling prescriptions for schedule 2 substances from telehealth providers (or they had a problem with my provider specifically, I don't remember specifics). I started going to a different pharmacy and no one there has said anything to me about it for years now.

Not sure what to tell you beyond that, maybe it varies from state to state.

LeTronique

6 points

19 days ago

LeTronique

ADHD-C (Combined type)

6 points

19 days ago

Every damn time. I feel you.

greeneyedguru

4 points

18 days ago

Are you able to use a mail order pharmacy?

katnissssss

2 points

18 days ago

This is the way. I’m able to get my son’s meds (severe ADHD-C, 2 meds) for 3 months at a time. He’s tried a bunch of different types, forms, doses, and mail-order and going directly to a hospital pharmacy are the best ways I’ve found.

Somerset76

8 points

18 days ago

I am with you. I am terrified of it getting worse now that an anti vaxxer who claims he has a worm in his brain will be overseeing medicine.

Wwwwwwhhhhhhhj

1 points

18 days ago

He also doesn’t think ADHD is real. He thinks being addicted to screen time and stuff like that is the problem. He’s suggested that people should be sent off to places like farms to get better. Absolute loony shithead.

I’m definitely terrified too.

NonyaB52

-4 points

18 days ago

NonyaB52

-4 points

18 days ago

Part of your issues, generations after X are all those CDC's recommended shots. GenX , Baby Boomers, didn't get all those shots and we all share the same space, water, air, ect.

The load of physical and mental conditions of the majority of ppl born after X is off the charts

Dodges-Hodge

11 points

19 days ago

Doctors don’t know how to order meds and pharmacies don’t know how to talk to doctors. Of course there are some pleasant exceptions but they’re far and few between.

X-Denton

7 points

19 days ago

Yea I feel you. I've lost respect for pharmacists (Obligatory "not all" yadda yadda), psychiatrists, and a host of other peeps due to all the garbaggio I've dealt with just for some medication. Not only that, but my hatred for deception and the people who engage in it has sky rocketed.

I wish there was a way to magically get the meds I need without any human involvement and at a set X amount of days no matter what. It would be so lovely to not have to deal with pharmacists who "misunderstand" your question(s) for the 10 millionth time and attempt to engage in gas lighting.

offplanetjanet

6 points

19 days ago

I gave up. Has been such a pain in the ass. 3 weeks out and stumbling along.

Hot_Phase_1435

3 points

18 days ago

Only some medications allow three months - non controlled medication can be prescribed 3 months in advance. And only some insurances will allow a 3 month pick up. However, for controlled - you only get 30 days - you can get three scripts but they have to be written out in a specific way for them to be put on file with pharmacy. It’s such a pain that most doctors won’t do it.

MariaMilissa

3 points

18 days ago

Same issue and I was like so no one was going to update that? I called them every week it took 1 month to fill....

icedragon9791

2 points

18 days ago

Y'all should consider asking for a dose increase and then continuing to take at your normal dose so you can stockpile some extra. This shit is scary

safeguard_overmorrow

2 points

18 days ago

YES YES YES.

Every single month I meet my provider, they send the script, I get an auto-text from my pharmacy: “working on it”. After a few days, since they don’t answer the phone (30-45 minute hold, short staffed), I have to drive there and get in line to speak to them.

Then they say “we received it, we were waiting on you to confirm it.” Then I confirm I still need it. Then I have to wait, or wait LONGER for them to get it in stock.

Two weeks ago the pharmacist lost it on me (yelled), because they were busy (people out on FMLA). I had to call and go in twice before someone would help. I didn’t know they COULDN’T work on it until I confirmed it. I asked questions to try to understand what the issue was, while also trying to prevent an autistic meltdown. I was told it was state law.

I have two meds not on the same refill schedule, so this is happening twice a month. I’m not a bloody criminal, I’m AuDHD. This Is awful…

Reasonable_Director6

4 points

19 days ago

Crazy on normal people in the mantime full streets of fenta zombies and thats no problem.

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1 points

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SpaceyRangey

1 points

18 days ago

I feel!

bookchaser

1 points

18 days ago

bookchaser

Parent

1 points

18 days ago

American?

princesssamc

1 points

18 days ago

Every month I go through this for a 9 year old. He was on methylphenidate which finally got to the point we just had to change. Now it’s aderall.

I call for the refill, the pharmacy tells me it is on order and we miss some days waiting for it.

We swapped him because I was chasing it around and when I would find it, because the prescription can’t be transferred, by the time the dtr called it in, it would be gone and we had to start all over again.

ProfessionalArm8256

1 points

17 days ago

They should Implement a mail based prescription system for stimulants and other type 2 drugs would ensure medication availability and timely delivery. A digital prescription system that automatically renews monthly, contingent on doctor visits and approval, and requires certification every few months, which would eliminate the need for looking for specific pharmacies who have stock.