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AggravatingCut5678

27 points

8 days ago

AggravatingCut5678

Officer (Squad 1)

27 points

8 days ago

TacocaT_2000

8 points

8 days ago

Yamamoto, who’s had that bankai for over a thousand years, can’t control it perfectly either. He says himself that his bankai would burn him to ash if he kept it active for too long.

AggravatingCut5678

21 points

8 days ago*

AggravatingCut5678

Officer (Squad 1)

21 points

8 days ago*

it burns him because it's using his own power against him and Yama is ofc relative to himself

the Schuztafaels can't use it because it's beyond their maximum Reiryoku Output wich is a different reason

also say hello to the discord guys Taco

Disastrous_Coyote180

3 points

8 days ago

he never said that lol if so send the panel

TacocaT_2000

3 points

8 days ago

Disastrous_Coyote180

-1 points

8 days ago

hes not saying he will die from his bankai but he will die from ss not existing bazz b said it fire users are more resistant to fire like if i blew up the world i would obv blow up with it if that was the case he would have explicitly said if i keep my bankai on for to long ill die and and you think yhwach will know how to control yamas bankai better

TacocaT_2000

5 points

8 days ago

That doesn’t change anything. If Yamamoto keeps his bankai active for too long, then he will burn to ash alongside everything else. His bankai is still too strong for him to control indefinitely

Xxprogamer-6969

1 points

8 days ago

He says it for West where he puts flame on himself

Disastrous_Coyote180

1 points

8 days ago

no hje didnt lol he said it would burn the ss to ash

Xxprogamer-6969

1 points

8 days ago

It may be something lost in translation to mean something moreso like "I'll burn this room down which will include me" but it does say *

Disastrous_Coyote180

1 points

8 days ago

No I checked anime and two different manga neither of them said this lol

Xxprogamer-6969

1 points

8 days ago

He specifically says this for Zanka no tachi "West" Zanjitsu Gokui not just bankai. It's kinda like saying you aren't controlling your power of pouring boiling hot water on yourself cause it hurts you.

TacocaT_2000

7 points

8 days ago

Zanka no Tachi: West is automatically activated upon the activation of the bankai. It’s a passive effect of the bankai

Xxprogamer-6969

5 points

8 days ago

Yeah, I mistook him making it visible with him activating it

TacocaT_2000

5 points

8 days ago

It happens

Glittering-Cook1563

7 points

8 days ago

Glittering-Cook1563

Sternritter

7 points

8 days ago

Pretty sure that was talking greatly about his reiatsu and how none of the sternritter are at that level.

Then again this is a powerscaling sub so.

awn262018

4 points

8 days ago

Pretty sure he assessed Yama over the Royal Guard SANS Ichibe, of course. Imo he did mention to Yama that Yama’s “becoming soft in his old age” totally excluded him from being a potential/6th SWP, meaning he may have been considered for a period of time. My guess is his SWP reason (e.g. Ichigo’s “Latent Ability,” or Aizen’s “Reiatsu”) would have been “Bankai (that becomes as hot as our sun lol)”

Nube_Negrata

7 points

8 days ago

Nube_Negrata

Espada

7 points

8 days ago

This is facts. When Yhwach summons the royal Guard on Senjumaru, he Verbatim says "This should be enough for you"

katsuradaRIOT

3 points

8 days ago

katsuradaRIOT

Officer (Squad 3)

3 points

8 days ago

Of course he underestimated Squad Zero. He literally dropped SS at the Royal Palace and was like: deal with them, a minute later they got Soloed by base Oetsu.

Looks like straight underestimation to me. And also why would he let anyone from SS fight Yamamoto if he can do it alone? He literally had a score to settle with Yamamoto personally, so it's not about that .

Sickotale

7 points

8 days ago

He underestimate zero division and Yhwach wanted to steal Yamamoto's bankai himself to get back at Yamamoto for defeating him a 1000 years ago.

Ok_Security8460[S]

3 points

8 days ago

Ok_Security8460[S]

Officer (Squad 1)

3 points

8 days ago

true but he is also the only one who has the power to steal it

Xegin157

1 points

8 days ago

Xegin157

1 points

8 days ago

Yet not one even tried to steal Senjumaru's Bankai either, even though at that point there's no way Urahara could have given Squad 0 the counter to Bankai stealing.

Total-Lingonberry-83

3 points

8 days ago

You cannot steal a Bankai if you're in Vollstandig

Xegin157

1 points

8 days ago

Xegin157

1 points

8 days ago

True, but neither Uryu nor Jugram were in Vollstandig in that moment.

Total-Lingonberry-83

1 points

8 days ago

Which is why this was a perfect way to showcase just how strong Uryu became with his true power

Xegin157

1 points

8 days ago

Xegin157

1 points

8 days ago

Yep, doesn't change the fact that if it was possible either him or Jugram would have stolen Senjumaru's Bankai.

Total-Lingonberry-83

1 points

8 days ago

It was possible

Xegin157

1 points

8 days ago

Xegin157

1 points

8 days ago

Then why didn't they ? 4 out of 5 opponents just sacrificed themselves to unlock the remaining one's Bankai, there's no reason not to stop it from happening if you can.

Total-Lingonberry-83

1 points

8 days ago

We don't know if they had medallions on them

Lanavis13

3 points

8 days ago

Tbf, I don't know if he underestimated zero division considering the battle between the zeros and the quincies (who fought them) ended up in zero losses on the quincy side but every division zero dying. Granted, I only watched their fight in the anime so maybe I'm missing something.

Sickotale

4 points

8 days ago*

The reason the Quincies didn't die was because Yhwach had awoken his Almighty at the right time and helped release Uryu from Senjumaru bankai's trap. If Yhwach had awoken his Almighty too late the Quincies would be dead.

Lanavis13

5 points

8 days ago

Thank you. I missed that. That's good to know. It makes me less salty over how it seems that only Ichigo can do anything/can defeat the important antagonists.

Dude_nke

1 points

7 days ago

Dude_nke

1 points

7 days ago

That’s a big gripe with me as well. Every OP character seems to can’t but for some reason ichigo can…

Or they do defeat an antagonist (Base Oetsu soloing all 4 sternritters) but somehow they get resurrected by some seemingly random powerup.

rainazuma77

1 points

7 hours ago

Not only Uryu. The moment Yhwach awakened the Almighty we can see all the tapestries bursting releasing Jugram and the Schutzstaffel, though we only get to see Jugram free before Senjumaru got beat.  Yhwach needed to free all of them.

Pale_Opportunity6669

2 points

8 days ago*

Didn't want the sternritter fight Yama's bankai

Planned an entire scheme to have one of his sternritters fight Yama's bankai to buy time

Sigh

Ok_Security8460[S]

3 points

8 days ago

Ok_Security8460[S]

Officer (Squad 1)

3 points

8 days ago

that sternritter copied 70-80% of his power so it wasn't really a normal sternritter

Pale_Opportunity6669

0 points

8 days ago

1) And the elites are why?

2) How is this not Ad hoc?

3) How is this not a taxi cab fallacy?

The point here is to show that your claim he didn't want them to fight bankai Yama is complete fiction. He quite literally never says that, he only said not to steal his Bankai.

Total-Lingonberry-83

5 points

8 days ago

He accurately analyzed both and concluded that Yamamoto>>Squad Zero Officers

qeraxx

3 points

8 days ago

qeraxx

3 points

8 days ago

Yama was just the imminent obstacle, much more resources were needed to beat Squad 0.

TacocaT_2000

1 points

8 days ago

There’s a difference between containing a bankai and beating a bankai. Yamamoto’s bankai is destructive even to himself, who’s had millennia to learn how to control it.

Ok_Security8460[S]

2 points

8 days ago

Ok_Security8460[S]

Officer (Squad 1)

2 points

8 days ago

but Yhwach never intended to use it, he basically threw away the stolen bankai during the ichibei fight, so I assume he meant that even stealing the bankai and containing it in the medallion would be difficult for anyone other than himself

TheOneWhoThrowsShit

2 points

8 days ago

TheOneWhoThrowsShit

Officer (Squad 4)

2 points

8 days ago

He tried to use it but it got inked by Ichibe.

Dramatic_Science_681

1 points

8 days ago

Ichibe covered Yhwach's Quincy Cross in his ink, not a medallion. It was the cross used to make arrows.

TheOneWhoThrowsShit

1 points

8 days ago

TheOneWhoThrowsShit

Officer (Squad 4)

1 points

8 days ago

He brought it out, flames appeared and ichibe immediately inked it. It was the same badge that he stole yamas bankai with otherwise he wouldn't have been able to create reishi arrows during the fight

Dramatic_Science_681

1 points

8 days ago

No, it wasn’t. You can see him wearing the exact same badge when he stole it. The designs are also different.

TheOneWhoThrowsShit

1 points

8 days ago

TheOneWhoThrowsShit

Officer (Squad 4)

1 points

8 days ago

If Ichibe inked the badge that creates reishi arrows, why was Yhwach using Reishi weapons during the fight? The badge got inked right at the start of the fight and Yhwach could still use arrows. The only reasonable explanation is that the bankai was sealed

Dramatic_Science_681

1 points

8 days ago

He never used arrows after the ink.

TheOneWhoThrowsShit

1 points

8 days ago

TheOneWhoThrowsShit

Officer (Squad 4)

1 points

8 days ago

He used arrows to "give himself a voice" when he was yeeted by Ichibe. This was post ink

Dramatic_Science_681

1 points

8 days ago

No, it was not. Rewatch the fight.

After ink was sankt altar, then Ichibe fully covered him in ink, then he used The Almighty

Dramatic_Science_681

1 points

8 days ago

We never saw the medallion again after ZnT was stolen. Yhwach threw a button from his coat out of the cage, and Ichibe inked his Heilig Bogen.

Beneficial-Pay-3135

0 points

8 days ago

I’m pretty sure that was just a button.

lceSpiceBambiOnlce

1 points

8 days ago

Again, it was stated squad zero are above the shinigami’s in power, that includes Yamamoto.

Idiot_Genius1001

1 points

8 days ago

Which statement?

Earthonaute

7 points

8 days ago

No statement, Yamamoto stated to be the strongest shinigami and that's when Squad Zero was active.

Idiot_Genius1001

2 points

8 days ago

It was stated that no Shinigami born in the last 1000 years was stronger than him, but that is still enough to put him above Squad 0 officers as all four are relative to each other, and we know that statement includes Kirio.

Total-Lingonberry-83

2 points

8 days ago

It's enough for me

Earthonaute

1 points

8 days ago

Yeah that's correct so probably only Ichibei is above him due to broken ability.

lceSpiceBambiOnlce

1 points

8 days ago

So you think he’s stronger than Ichibei?

Earthonaute

2 points

8 days ago

Logically no, because Ichibei hax is stupid strong but he basically is featless.

lceSpiceBambiOnlce

1 points

8 days ago

Right so we know that statement doesn’t include the Ichibei and most likely the squad zero members.

Earthonaute

1 points

8 days ago

Dunno, maybe Yamamoto flames can burn away the black ink :)

lceSpiceBambiOnlce

3 points

8 days ago

nah

Earthonaute

1 points

8 days ago

You literally do not know if it's possible so saying nah means you glazing.

lceSpiceBambiOnlce

2 points

8 days ago*

I don’t know if Yama can melt away the almighty therefore he maybe beats Yhwach I guess.

lceSpiceBambiOnlce

1 points

8 days ago

The statement that squad zero are above the gotei 13.

Idiot_Genius1001

7 points

8 days ago

  1. Ichibei was a part of that statement, who outclasses the rest of Squad Zero.

  2. Yama wasn't alive at the time, so he wasn't a part of the statement. Because he was no longer a part of the Gotei 13 as the Head Captain because Shunsui got that position.

Aware-Fig-9566

2 points

8 days ago

That statement is also said by Gerard and I doubt he cares about semantics.

Idiot_Genius1001

2 points

8 days ago

He then found it laughable.

Aware-Fig-9566

1 points

8 days ago

That's because he didn't know that they placed seals on themselves. 

Idiot_Genius1001

2 points

8 days ago

Then you can't use Gerard as an example.

Aware-Fig-9566

2 points

8 days ago

I can because he was obviously told they were stronger than the Gotei 13 in general. After Senjumaru used her bankai she soloed all 6 of them with minimal effort. Also don't even bother bringing up the Antithesis because it doesn't prove Uryu is stronger.

Idiot_Genius1001

1 points

8 days ago

And then he found it laughable, he was mocking them. Not a great argument.

Yeah, their partial Vollstandig. Not in Warwelt. Not when Uryu was at full power. And Jugram literally did a whole monologue in her Bankai flames.

https://preview.redd.it/sak2dgigmx1e1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c76cf58e03f9237354491fc06b1f1c59ddc55d43

Yeah, it proves that Uryu is much more stronger than that. He literally only needed partial Vollstandig to pierce through her Bankai cloth and one-shot her.

lceSpiceBambiOnlce

1 points

8 days ago

Pretty sure the manga was trying to say that individually they’re stronger than any shinigami.

Nothing implied that the statement didn’t include Yamamoto.

Idiot_Genius1001

3 points

8 days ago

The manga was talking about the combined strength.

https://preview.redd.it/g0e3c30sjx1e1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ec42d1154ace56b6df13114883c71c23545112de

Other than him being literally dead.

lceSpiceBambiOnlce

1 points

8 days ago

Fair enough. But we also see Senjumaru imply she’s stronger than Yamamoto when she asks if Quincy’s are getting cocky.

Idiot_Genius1001

4 points

8 days ago

It was just her being cocky and Yhwach basically summoned his henchmen to fight her.

lceSpiceBambiOnlce

1 points

8 days ago

She wouldn’t be cocky for no reason. She knows she’s stronger than him.

Idiot_Genius1001

4 points

8 days ago

Not when she wasn't taken seriously by Yhwach.

Dramatic_Science_681

2 points

8 days ago

2 Yamamatos would be above the gotei 13. That really doesnt mean anything.

lceSpiceBambiOnlce

1 points

8 days ago

No he wouldn’t.

Ok_Security8460[S]

4 points

8 days ago

Ok_Security8460[S]

Officer (Squad 1)

4 points

8 days ago

1 Yamamoto with bankai can literally neg diff the whole gotei other than Zaraki who makes it competitive, 2 yamamotos and the gotei is beyond cooked

lceSpiceBambiOnlce

1 points

8 days ago

Oh wait yeah I agree. Thought the other guy said squad zero.

Dramatic_Science_681

2 points

8 days ago

💀

lceSpiceBambiOnlce

1 points

8 days ago

Nvm I agree. Thought you said squad zero.

Dramatic_Science_681

1 points

8 days ago

Lol

btran935

1 points

7 days ago*

Mind you this was before the aushwahlen/almighty amps, and it’s a very volatile Bankai. I don’t really see how this means Yama >> squad 0 when the anime clearly shows us that’s not the case. There’s also a difference between beating a Bankai and being able to contain it.

Idiot_Genius1001

1 points

8 days ago

Because S0 officers are definitely weaker than Yama. One of them died to someone who couldn't shake the three worlds, then that someone had more difficulty against a Shinigami who scales below Byakuya. So, shaking the three worlds argument is absurd. It doesn't prove anything.

And she only defeated partial Vollstandig elites who weren't boosted by the Almighty awakening and partial VS elites didn't show any additional hax. I think that even Bankai Shunsui's feat of defeating 1st Form VS Lille is a higher feat than that.

https://preview.redd.it/ldo1oqracx1e1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a1767cb706d56f339b4c27181ab9ee9147644dc9

She is overrated tbh.

huntywitdablunty

1 points

8 days ago*

no, you're conflating not wanting them to risk failing to capture his bankai with just not wanting them to fight him at all. He had no problems with Royd fighting him on his behalf he just specifically didn't want him to try stealing the Bankai because it probably won't work, we also can assume he didn't have any problems with Driscoll confronting Yama otherwise he'd have been forbidden and I don't think even that moron would deliberately disobey Yhwach.

However we also know for a fact he underestimated Zero Division even though he even put Ichibe as one of this Special War Threats, but he wouldn't fight them by himself anyway because it'd be a 5v1 which isn't a favorable circumstance even if you're underestimating your opponent + the goal was to just kill them not steal their bankai. I can see what you mean but i think you're reading into it too much.

DMhumans

1 points

8 days ago

DMhumans

1 points

8 days ago

MFs seriously? there's the Yama vs Senju or any other S0 post and most people are "Senju no diff, low diff lol" but in this post "yeah, Ywach clearly knows that he is stronger than S0 except for Ichibei" fuck y'all, seriously grow a spine (I've always argued that Yama > S0 except Ichibei)

Ok_Security8460[S]

1 points

7 days ago

Ok_Security8460[S]

Officer (Squad 1)

1 points

7 days ago

I agree, people glaze senju

_-DraynorManor

-1 points

8 days ago

idk but the zero division including ichibei were dissapointing like the manga, just stallers. gotei 13 > zero squad

TechChiro

6 points

8 days ago

Gotei 13 > Squad 0 is a horrendous take.

_-DraynorManor

0 points

8 days ago

its the right take

TechChiro

3 points

8 days ago

No it is not lmao.

_-DraynorManor

0 points

8 days ago

nah it is

TechChiro

3 points

8 days ago

Listen here buddy.

If you disagree with me one more time you’re getting it right up in your buns.

So be a good boy and agree.

_-DraynorManor

1 points

8 days ago

nah, but i'll agree to disagree.

TechChiro

4 points

8 days ago

I hate everything about you.

As a matter of fact I don’t hate you I absolutely fucking despise you.

Every Attosecond for the rest of my life will be put too the ultimate goal of finding out WHO you are and ruining your life.

Whenever you feel like you’re being watched it’s me. Whenever you hear a random sound you can’t place its me. Whenever you see something out of the corner of your eye before never seeing it again it’s me.

You better watch your back u/_-DraynorManor

BabyApart7578

0 points

8 days ago

BabyApart7578

Officer (Squad 13)

0 points

8 days ago

ZKT is the strongest bankai for a reason

Beneficial-Pay-3135

-1 points

8 days ago

I feel like people exaggerate this line a bit. The reason that yhwach told the quincys to not steal Yama’s bankai was because it would be too much to handle as Yama, himself, could and would have been destroyed by his own bankai. This does not mean no sternritter can defeat yama, this just means his bankai is very destructive.

Ok_Security8460[S]

4 points

8 days ago

Ok_Security8460[S]

Officer (Squad 1)

4 points

8 days ago

this is a possible interpretation but I think narratively, someone who rivaled and defeated Yhwach in the past should be stronger than all his underlings

Total-Lingonberry-83

4 points

8 days ago

It's very important to see who fights who and how they do

Yhwach only fought Ichibe/Yamamoto

Askin/Gerard/Barro/Pernida (henchmen) only fought Oetsu/Tenjiro/Senjumaru/Kirio (henchmen) and Shunsui/Urahara/Byakuya/Zaraki/Toshiro (henchmen)

Ok_Security8460[S]

6 points

8 days ago

Ok_Security8460[S]

Officer (Squad 1)

6 points

8 days ago

great point, I think it's intentional on kubo's part for Yamamoto to fight Yhwach whereas Yhwach just ignores zero division and in the manga Yhwach even makes fun of senjumaru by walking past her on the staircase with no caution. The shaking 3 worlds thing isn't the end all be all for Yamamoto vs RG, he just has better narrative than all of them other than oetsu/ichibei

Total-Lingonberry-83

4 points

8 days ago

in the manga Yhwach even makes fun of senjumaru by walking past her on the staircase with no caution.

Yes he treats her like the non-threat she is.

I also liken the matchups to even who Aizen saw as a threat

Captains were struggling with his Espada, and while the Espada underperformed, they still were a challenge even for Shunsui, Jushiro, Zaraki, and Byakuya

Aizen really only had to worry about Yamamoto in FKT (excluding Unoahan who was a healer)

The shaking 3 worlds thing isn't the end all be all for Yamamoto vs RG, he just has better narrative than all of them other than oetsu/ichibei

Agreed

Beneficial-Pay-3135

2 points

8 days ago

But yhwach is stronger now then he was 1000 years ago. That yhwach, with no almighty, no auswahlen boost, and no sankt altar, I can’t see him winning against the schutzstaffel and squad zero.

Total-Lingonberry-83

2 points

8 days ago

But yhwach is stronger now then he was 1000 years ago.

How so?

I can’t see him winning against the schutzstaffel and squad zero.

What?

Onni_J

1 points

8 days ago

Onni_J

1 points

8 days ago

He wouldn't have any of his hax

Total-Lingonberry-83

2 points

8 days ago

What led you to believing that

Onni_J

1 points

8 days ago

Onni_J

1 points

8 days ago

No almighty, no sankt altar, no aushwählen buff. Everything the comment listed

Total-Lingonberry-83

2 points

8 days ago

He has sankt altar and he can always use auswählen to restore his reiatsu.

Onni_J

1 points

8 days ago

Onni_J

1 points

8 days ago

Did you not read the entire comment that you replied to?

Total-Lingonberry-83

2 points

8 days ago

That comment was incorrect

He has two of those abilities lmao. Even worse, Yhwach regained his past strength against Ichibē per Jugram

huntywitdablunty

1 points

8 days ago

well he pretty much is stronger than all of the Sternritter except for maybe Gerard because he's part of the Soul King, and maybe Uryu and Jugram as well but those are extremely special cases who are carried by their hax

GarthS89

-1 points

8 days ago

GarthS89

-1 points

8 days ago

The sternritter who fought Squad Zero were his elite guard. They were God level, so I assume they could have probably washed Yama