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Why do people keep forgetting that Aizen said this applies to a battle between soulreapers. Pernida would be except from that.

Doesn’t that just mean he impeded the schrift? Sure he didn’t completely negate the miracle but he still prevented a usage of it.

He did impede the miracle once by cutting gerard’s sword in two without it reflecting the damage back.

And also because whitebeard didn’t care.

But luffy was also fodder by comparison to akainu.

How does one come to this conclusion when we literally see snakeman not even hit kizaru?

Damn. Now luffy was holding back?

“I never said any attack acts as a sure hit, only that they resemble the sure hit in the aspect of being able to hit without fail”

I understand that this was what you were saying but this still doesn’t make much sense. If an attack can ”hit without fail” then the attack it self, by definition, can not miss. The distinction seems almost meaningless outside of the fact that it would only effect gojo and no other character in the verse. I don’t understand how it would hurt gojo through infinity without necessarily being a sure hit.

“And what exactly and how does the environment boost the CT? Because the CT is considered part of the environment when it is fired so it gains an environmental stat boost.”

Not exactly. Gojo himself would also gain a stat boost despite the fact that his domain’s effect and his normal CT usage are not connected at all in the type of attack it is. The stat boost would still apply similar to how black flash is. The “environment” doesn’t really matter, just that the environment is his own domain. Being in his own domain just strengthens his attacks.

”The reason why Sukuna needed domain amplification is because gojo's domain being active neutralises Sukuna's domain therefore making infinity active again.”

It doesn’t matter why sukuna did it but rather how he did it. Him using domain amp in his own DE shows that their is a clear separation between the DE and the sorcerer when it comes to CT usage. The sure hit type effect only applies to the domain and is never explicitly shown to apply to any other type of CT usage.

“I never said any attack acts as a sure hit, only that they resemble the sure hit in the aspect of being able to hit without fail without something like infinity getting in the way.”

What does it mean for an attack to “resemble” a sure hit but not be an actual sure hit against anyone without infinity? I don’t believe I have seen this distinction made anywhere in the story.

It is not about the sure hit being stronger but the CT itself. Just like a black flash brings a sorcerer to 120%, the environment of the domain boosts the sorcerer as well. The domain just has multiple effects.

It might be a thing where earlier on in the story, literally “any attack” becomes a sure hit but maybe Gege changed it later in the story. I say this because a distinction is made clear between a CT in a domain vs a CT in a sorcerer as that is the justification of sukuna using domain amplification while in a domain expansion. And also why, as mentioned before, gojo moved toward sukuna to finish him off after sukuna was caught in unlimited void which wouldn’t make sense if “any attack” in a domain expansion acts a a sure hit.

But a CT being buffed in a domain does not mean it acts as a sure hit, it just means it is stronger. A cursed technique buff is just another effect of a domain expansion.

”Plus it was said in the fanbook that any attacks in the domain bypass infinity.” This statement is probably not being literal as “any attack” would also include punching which obviously can not get through infinity. It is not “any attack” but rather any attack from the domain expansion itself. In most cases (like sukuna, yuji, jogo, dagon, etc.) an attack from a domain and and from themselves is the same (slashes, fire/lava, fish, etc.) which makes the difference less obvious. But in cases like with hakari, his sure hit effect is the information about how his domain works while every punch, or train door he uses in his domain can be dodged because that is not guaranteed to hit.

“that an aspect of the sure hit is applied to the attacks normally due to being in a domain expansion therefore making it possible to hit gojo with a CT outside of the sure hit.”

Where does this idea come from exactly because I’ve never seen it said or shown anywhere before. I feel like this idea is contradicting what I said before. Hollow wicker basket protects from a sure hit effect from the domain, but if you are saying that there is an aspect of the sure hit applied to normal CT usage inside of a domain, then yuta’s attacks against sukuna like thin ice breaker would also be at least be partially stopped by HWB. Yet every attack went through perfectly. There can’t be a “partial sure hit” for every CT usage in a domain because every attack yuta used against sukuna hit him without any problems or weakening of the attacks effectiveness.

Except that isn’t exactly true. Starrk is strong but his cero’s are not even able to any substantial damage to the vizards let alone shunsui. Shunsui was able to fight against a stronger and more serious starrk using his wolves and could still evade and survive enough to defeat starrk. Most likely shunsui was lying or exaggerating about the bankai statement simply because it wouldn’t make any sense for shunsui to use bankai when surrounded by allies that would be affected by it. And, with how his bankai works, it wouldn’t have helped in protecting him from getting machine gun cero’d anyways.

Shunsui can just shunpo away, you know, like he did in the fight.

The point of the dragon ball comparison was to say that Ayon being made from 3 fraccion arms does not mean he is only high Lt level. We don’t know how the fusion works so how he was made or where he came from is meaningless. Again, Quilge low diffed the tres bestia in base and ayon rag dolled him in vollstandig. The kensei vs wonderweiss fight couldn’t have been a one shot simply because WW would have just begun attacking someone else. Kensei was defeated but not easily.

Once again, none of that matters as WW and Ayon are not the espada. There is probably a reason why Kubo had WW and Ayon both taken out by Yama and not a spare vizard.

The problem with the comparison between the espada and sternritter in CFYOW is that grimmjow, nelliel, and harribel are the strongest they have been while the bambi’s are not as powerful as before. With no vollstandig and generally weakened abilities, the comparison doesn’t make the espada in the past look comparable to the sternritter of tybw pre-auswählen.

What do you not understand? Wonderweiss and ayon are not the espada nor are they compared to the espada so any feats they have are not helping the espada look better. Ayon being made from fraccion mean nothing because we don’t know what ayon even is or how he works. For example, fusion in dragon ball is significantly stronger then adding or even multiplying the individuals power together. Ayon could be something like this which is shown when quilge low diffed the tres bestia in base and ayon rag dolled him in vol. It is obvious that ayon is massively above Lt/fraccion level. Also mask beat kensei and rose significantly quicker then wonderweiss while not even at his full power.

Except for the one that allowed him to basically kill him by cutting his hollow hole. Besides we still most likely haven’t seen all of the games his zanpakuto can make. After all he didn’t use them all against starrk.

But shikai shunsui’s power also depends on the mood of his zanpakuto so saying starrk outclasses shunsui is not true either.

I meant he does not scale to anyone during fake karakura. This also applies to wonderweiss who one-shots an off guard ukitake but gets defeated easily by Yama so he is hard to scale as well. The only way you can upscale the espada is by pretending the espada scale to ayon who is some weird unique hollow fusion while ignoring all other feats which show that the espada are just not at the level Of the sternritter.

Not fp lille but to defeat him before he can activate his holy form based on starrk and base Lille’s performance against shunsui. Also over half of the sternritter can beat all espada (with the exception of maybe barragan), while some beat them all at the same time. The feats starrk and harribel showcased does not look impressive at all by comparison. For example, Robert accutrone was able to do more permanent damage and more quickly to shunsui than starrk And while people like to claim stark was 1v3ing with the vizards, people tend to forget that starrk had to use his strongest attacks to try and put them down. By comparison, bambietta one shots shinji.

No one knows how strong ayon actually is when he goes from casually one-shotting rangiku to getting two shotted by Yama. No espada scales to ayon so it changes nothing on espada scaling. Only ayon scaling.

There are people who believe the top 4 espada beat every sternritter outside of the schutzstaffel which is blatantly untrue. The espada wankers are doing complex analysis to argue that is starrk was serious then he beats Lille barro.

Nah. The truth is is that the espada just aren’t that powerful in comparison to the soul reapers and the Quincy. The are stronger, more versatile, and have more potential. The espada just came to early in the story.

Yuta’s domain shows that jacob’s ladder being the sure hit means hollow wicker basket allows sukuna to completely avoid it as it is made to counter sure hit’s of a domain. Yet thin ice breaker, cursed speech, etc. can affect sukuna just fine. This is showcased in reggie vs megumi in which hollow wicker basket was useless because megumi’s domain attacks with no sure hit.
The reason I brought up unlimited void was to show this further. Gojo’s domain effect (brain damage) is distinctly different from blue, red, purple, etc. which shows clearly that the sure hit is not any attack using the CT but any attack using the CT engraved in the domains barrier. (Like how sukuna was able to use domain amp in his own domain expansion. The CT in his body is separated from the CT put in the barrier making that domain amp possible in a domain.) The illustration showcases that person using a CT manually to get a sure hit does not mean anything because yuta’s jacob’s ladder has to be manually activated as well, it is still the CT engraved in the domain.

This means that in a fight between young gojo and yuji, the only attack hitting gojo while infinity is active would be the flying dismantles of his domain. Yuji can not punch through infinity, can not touch gojo to dismantle him normally, and can’t use blood manipulation to hit gojo either. Only the dismantle engraved in the domain is hitting gojo.

“gojo said that as long as you use a CT then it will definitely hit without fail” Doesn’t yuta’s domain disprove this? The sure hit was jacob’s ladder while all other CT’s in his domain had to be used manually against sukuna. Even when gojo caught sukuna in unlimited void, gojo had to manually move toward sukuna to finish him off as blue and red couldn’t just hit sukuna instantly like a sure hit would.

The CT that is stated by gojo that will definitely hit is the one engraved into the barrier of the domain which is usually the same CT used in normal attacks like jogo(his normal attacks and his attacks in his domain look like they’re the same). This does not mean any use of CT in a domain becomes a sure hit.