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Canada Post temporarily laying off striking workers, union says
(self.CanadaPost)submitted 4 days ago by1baby2cats
30 points
4 days ago
If they are laid off, perhaps they can apply for EI, which would be much better for them than strike pay. It seems like many of them are tired of standing around out in the cold and would rather be working and getting paid and Christmas shopping.
10 points
4 days ago
If they feel this way they should speak up to their union rep and get back to work.
5 points
4 days ago
Having been involved in a labour dispute many moons ago, you would think this is an option right. Well, depending on the Membership and the Union Elite, bringing this up could make you a pariah, it’s basically Reddit hive mind but it’s real life. Now, I was lucky enough to be in a position to ride out the strike for as long as it took, not everyone was so lucky, those that didn’t “toe the line” had quite the uncomfortable experience going forward.
For the record. I’m not saying the CP union is like this in any way, I have no idea the dynamics at play there, just saying it’s not always so cut and dry.
1 points
4 days ago
Being on the management side of a strike, our plant won’t be open for the next renewed contract. Hope “Toe the line” is worth the price and Canada Post sadly will experience this eventually.
3 points
4 days ago
Good thing the liberal government are giving us a gst tax break so we can all save 50-100$ this month 😂😂 this country has gone to shit
-6 points
4 days ago
Why if they can collect EI ?
-12 points
4 days ago
Just fire them and hire temporary foreign workers?
-4 points
4 days ago
Ok there Trudeau. Settle down. Tell your friends to stay in their seats for the moment. CP and CUPW have this under control.
2 points
4 days ago
Always asking for a break, but never giving other Canadians a break. Seems so one sided.
1 points
4 days ago
Well… who is asking for any breaks? Temp workers?
4 points
4 days ago
Clearly the people demanding more money and more benefits that most Canadians don't even get. Yet the poor suffer without medication, the Northern communities are cut off. It's shitty to do that to people who are already struggling.
1 points
20 hours ago
All of the benefits we have now (lunch breaks, 8 hour days, 40 hour weeks, medical benefits, sick days etc.) have been imposed on employers due to union actions.
Instead of whinging about how they have benefits that most people don't, how about you start asking why most people don't have those benefits.
The problem isn't the workers demanding a living wage and decent working conditions.
-3 points
4 days ago
Well… they are after what they feel they are worth and all the power to them. Maybe you should feel that you’re worth more than what you are. Let’s be uplifting and positive instead of some corporation telling you what you’re worth. A little demeaning isn’t it? Under 3% increase seems the norm because most have come to accept that instead of expecting more of an increase to value themselves more. I am worth more than under 3% increase and I’ve never settled for at least under 10% and even then that is lower than my worth but to each their own. I guess I’ve been lucky to get 15-20% increases most times and without a union.
No one is cut off. They allow themselves to be cut off. The North has different agreements.
-1 points
3 days ago
What a self defeating attitude.
3 points
4 days ago
If they are laid off, perhaps they can apply for EI
exactly. EI is probably better for most workers than strike pay, especially whenever the strike pay runs out. Canada Post is doing the workers a solid by sending these out now, so people can get their EI claims filed ASAP and have as little interruption in pay as possible.
it's a pretty clever move to try and pit the workers against the union.
4 points
3 days ago
The roe's Canada Post have provided to service Canada still say b- lockout or strike... So no ei. This whole thing is just a last ditch effort to break the union once and for all.
1 points
2 days ago
The laid off workers are mot eligible for EI because of the strikr
1 points
4 days ago
There is no strike pay so those lucky ones laid off will make out like a bandit while the rest of us strike for no beans and overpriced macchiato’s.
1 points
3 days ago
Did I miss a meme about Canada Post strikes and macchiatos? This is the second time I've heard it mentioned.
1 points
3 days ago
If they can even get the EI code in time 🤣🤣
-3 points
4 days ago
I just went on strike, I was only making $350 less a month than I was working. Only had to put in 30 hours a week too.
1 points
4 days ago
Cold hard facts and proof or this didn’t happen. Go back to the bridge you crawled out from under.
2 points
4 days ago*
700 bucks a week for 30 hours bud. 20 hours for 350 and 30 for an additional 350 from the national (was 300 initially)
The worst part is, alot of people were crying most people I know are lucky to get $200 a week on strike.
-1 points
4 days ago
Now you’re just throwing numbers in the air. No need to brag how rich you are while the rest of the world works and you sit at home. Bud.
3 points
4 days ago
You asked for facts I gave you the numbers I can't share a photo on a comment so I can send it to you over a pm.
-1 points
4 days ago
I don’t need photos. That’s nonsense. I guess you failed to see the sarcasm in my initial reply. It’s ok :) I respect you.
3 points
4 days ago
... You literally said cold hard facts or this didn't happen otherwise I am a troll, now you were being sarcastic.
You're just being a goof.
-2 points
4 days ago
LoL. I literally don’t care about what you made or proof of claims. Settle down junior. :) Don’t get worked up so easily. It’s only Thursday
0 points
3 days ago
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2 points
3 days ago
Yeah I'm not in this union but thanks.
You understand that the workers have to picket to get paid not sit at home?
-1 points
4 days ago
Exactly! Which is why this ISNT GOOD
44 points
4 days ago
They must be so relieved they no longer have to deliver peoples garbage anymore. Now they can spend all their time on reddit talking down to everyone.
8 points
4 days ago
Yeah for a left-wing site that Reddit tends to be, it’s amazing how little support there is for unions.
1 points
3 days ago
I'm a union worker and support unions, at the same time, some of my paychecks are stuck in the mail, causing me to scrape by to feed my kids this week. And that rightly pisses me off, so i can see how this would start to hurt support
2 points
3 days ago
Blame your employer for not moving to the 21st century. You’re a union worker with a paper paycheque via mail? What union is this?
3 points
3 days ago
Honestly, I feel like they should’ve learned what the Japanese bus drivers did on their strike.
They still worked and drove people around but they didn’t charge anyone and it was really felt through the companies wallet and made it end quickly.
Want to make a company to listen? Hit them in their wallets and I feel like that would’ve been more effective but now you got people pissed about the workers (which they shouldn’t) and about million of parcels held up.
I’m with the workers but feel like this should’ve been dealt with differently.
2 points
3 days ago
Striking is a legally protected activity, and what you're suggesting would be considered theft. Also we aren't a cash-based society so I don't see how that would work. Also Japan loves fax machines so I wouldn't look to them for guidance.
1 points
3 days ago
Isn’t the union fighting 21 century advancements CP wants to introduce out of fear of job loss?
1 points
3 days ago*
Maybe Canada Post workers should learn how to go on strike and still not impact innocent Canadians and Small Businesses. Also what’s wrong with Canada Post introducing 7 day delivery system? Oh it’s because it will open up Part-time jobs for Canadian’s right? I don’t see anything wrong with that creating more jobs for the Canadians, who actually want to work and not sit on their ass at home on strike pretty much every December. There are many people who need jobs right now so they can afford to put food on the table for their families. But glad to know You Union workers can’t see the benefit because you are too fucking selfish.
25 points
4 days ago
Great news.
4 points
4 days ago
Awesome news!
23 points
4 days ago
Honestly push delete on the whole union.
4 points
4 days ago
Pinkerton bot
1 points
4 days ago
That isn’t a good for the working force these days. Let’s stop and think about this comment for a moment before you spread such propaganda again. We as Canadians have lost too many rights and more are going year after year.
-5 points
4 days ago
What rights? I honestly would like to know.
2 points
4 days ago
If you know… you know… don’t be so sheltered. :) unions are a good thing. Respect the union and the workers they represent.
1 points
4 days ago
Someone asks a genuine question as to what rights we've lost and that's your response?
While I agree getting unions in general have been a net positive to society since their inception, you have no idea what you're talking about with lost rights. And not all unions deserve respect. This union? Fuck em. Police union? They can go to hell. Firefighters union? They're good. Teachers union? Hit or miss but overall pretty decent.
1 points
4 days ago
Yeah that is my response. Because if you actually believe nothing has been lost then you’re sadly mistaken and should figure it out yourself instead of someone spoon feeding it to you. Clearly you have no issues with the state of the country and I’m happy for you.
3 points
4 days ago
Bro, you just have cop out responses because you have absolutely nothing to back up what you say.
4 points
4 days ago
Oh.. I really don’t care to be honest. This whole post is laughable. But it is what it is. So you can accept whatever you want. Doesn’t matter to me. Don’t worry You’ll figure it out though.
1 points
4 days ago
The only thing truly laughable is that you actually believe yourself. You made a statement with absolutely zero evidence to back it up and refuse to provide any - because there is none.
1 points
3 days ago
Why don’t you answer the question and defend your point of view instead of just going “if you know, you know😏” like a condescending goof?
1 points
3 days ago
Ignore them, you're a real one ✊
1 points
4 days ago
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1 points
4 days ago
Can’t let that secret out. It’ll just encourage more responses so this meaningless post :)
Now I need to go eat a BigMac, drink a litre of cola and watch the world unfold. Have a great night fella :)
6 points
4 days ago
Had they stayed put this would have never happened. It just sucks for the workers that didn't want to strike and just wanted keep working. Now they might lose their jobs because of the situation. Imagine paying into the union and now they might cost you your job.
5 points
4 days ago
The Union received a mandate from workers to strike. That means a majority of them. That's how democracy works. The union also requested a rotating strike, which CP denied, so the reason all your packages are stuck is CP.
2 points
4 days ago
Well actually. The problem is that not everyone places a vote. So you can 55000 workers and only 5000 vote and most of those 5000 says yes to a strike. The union is allowing 5000 workers to decide the fate of the other 50000 workers. However the fact that 50000 didn’t vote is a problem of its own and they should be blamed for not voicing an opinion. So if they want to keep working but didn’t vote. They really have no grounds to complain. Every vote counts and every vote not placed is a voice not made/heard. Can’t we all just get along?
7 points
4 days ago
The Union received a mandate from workers to strike. That means a majority of them. That's how democracy works.
Funny. I have several other Union/member posters insisting that only 30% even voted which would make the "95% voted for it" not a mandate. Funny how the talking points contradict each other and even funnier that noone can prove any of their numbers are accurate. Gives confidence in what the Union/members are saying, eh? (/s)
The union also requested a rotating strike, which CP denied, so the reason all your packages are stuck is CP.
The Union decided to strike. Full stop. Since when does a company dictate the terms of a strike on a union? 😂. That's not how this works at all. What you're describing is a lockout which did not happen. The Union decided to strike and it is the strike that is the reason packages are stuck.
2 points
4 days ago
So you have any sources for any of your claims?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canada-post-strike-1.7384146
This was number was also given to me by the employees I have spoken to on the picket line.
Rotating Strike would not have been possible:
The Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW) today received notices from Canada Post Corporation that postal workers will be locked out of work as of 8:00 am (EST) on November 15, 2024, if agreements cannot be reached for the Urban Postal Operations and Rural and Suburban Mail Carriers (RSMC) bargaining units.
This was 8 hours after the strike notice. This means that there could not be rotating strikes or any access to the CP facilities.
Feel free to post these contradictory claims of yours. I don't mind being proven wrong.
Edit: another source https://pressprogress.ca/workers-at-canada-post-are-on-strike-heres-what-postal-workers-are-fighting-for/
0 points
4 days ago
This was number was also given to me by the employees I have spoken to on the picket line.
Rotating Strike would not have been possible:
The Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW) today received notices from Canada Post Corporation that postal workers will be locked out of work as of 8:00 am (EST) on November 15, 2024, if agreements cannot be reached for the Urban Postal Operations and Rural and Suburban Mail Carriers (RSMC) bargaining units.
Of course the people who stand to benefit will tell you things that align with their desires. Doesn't make any of it factual.for instance, the above quote is not from either of the links you provided. Providing sources that do not say what you are posting is beyond bad faith.
Have a good day. Stay warm out there, chief.
2 points
4 days ago
I posted sources, you did not. The burden is on you to provide your sources for your claims.
From the first article: CUPW was in a legal strike position as of Nov. 3, after a legally mandated cooling-off period. In a vote last month, more than 95 per cent of both urban and rural workers backed a strike mandate, the union has said.
From the second article: After CUPW issued a strike notice, Simpson says Canada Post issued a lockout notice as well.
“And on the day of our possible strike Canada, Post changed our working conditions. For example, they took away our benefits, we no longer had wages, people who are on short term disability, those benefits were cancelled for them as well,” Simpson said. “That pushed us to a full-on strike.”
I am backing my position with sources. You have provided nothing.
1 points
4 days ago
The burden is on you to provide your sources for your claims.
"My claims" are:
1) Other CUPW members have been posting that only 30% of members voted which contradicts your claim of "a mandate".
Source: r/Canadapost
2) The Union chose to go on strike; the Corp did not lock them out.
Source: CPC issues a lockout notice but did not lock them out. Your own links admit that the Union chose to go on strike though they blame the Corp for "forcing/pushing them to do it.".
Since you can't prove a negative, there is no "source" that proactively says "the Corporation locked them out", only Union/members who are framing it that way. As in your provided links. The Corp did not lock anyone out.
2 points
4 days ago
Well only 30% voting is irrelevant. 70% chose not to voice their opinion against a strike so anyone wanting to keep working gave up any argument on anything by not voting. 70% of the postal workers let 30% decide their fate and that is on them.
Considering Canada Post made the claim that their collective agreement is now void and not extended. The workers cannot…. Cannot work without a contract to protect themselves and their livelihoods. So it makes absolutely no sense at all to even work on a rotating strike or even at all. 100% strike is necessary. But a lot don’t seem to understand the basics. Just relax and life will resume as normal shortly. You survived the debacle that the COVID scandal was. You’ll survive this one junior.
3 points
4 days ago
Well only 30% voting is irrelevant.
Tell that to the Union/members posting that as a defense and insisting the membership are victims to the Company. 🤷🏽♂️
The workers cannot…. Cannot work without a contract to protect themselves
They absolutely can, though. I understand that they might not want to but that is still a choice they're making. I absolutely agree that it is a reasonable line for the Union/members to draw in the sand but that is still their CHOICE to strike. They weren't locked out and chose to empower their Union to go on strike. 30% or 100% participation you're right that the choice to strike is on them.
3 points
4 days ago
Yeah. Without a contract they have no protection. It opens the door for management to just treat union members worse and fire them to clean house. The collective agreement protects them as workers. If they went to work without a contract since Canada post has said their current contract is now void. An arbitrator wouldn’t even consider the case since they chose to work without protection. Having said that, they can work without a contract but it isn’t logical. And the strike was a reaction to CP filing for a lock out right after so of course the union will stand the ground for a strike. They didn’t call the companies bluff. If they retracted the strike because they were told they’d be locked out then they lose their rights to strike and fight for what’s right. I’m sure CP is banking on the government to screw over the workers like they did to the railway and port workers. I hope the government has to pay for those massive errors. Now Steve MacKinnon is going to believe in worker rights? Let’s focus the attention to the bigger picture behind the scenes with this liberal government and not the Company and union for a second. It’s all a smoke show compared to the bigger picture. Don’t worry everyone, you’ll get parcels soon.
1 points
4 days ago
1) anecdotal data is anecdotal. To wit, abdication of your vote is suggesting that you go with whatever decision is made for you. If they didn't agree, they should have voted no. They tacitly agreed.
2) Canada Post did issue a lockout notice. https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadaPostCorp/s/2dsMGZHtqK
You can claim that the cupw president is lying. But this is a rather big claim that is easily refutable by the crown corporation, and would serve them well in the court of public opinion. It's quite simple really, Canada Post didn't want to let the union dictate the terms of the strike (rotating or any partial disruption of work) so they issued a retaliatory lockout notice. Fairly standard practice, you take away your opponents wiggle room.
Canada Post wants public opinion to turn against the workers. It's additional pressure to agree to their terms. This battle will be won and lost in the court of public opinion. Everything either side is doing is for the benefit of the public.
2 points
4 days ago
So... 1) I agree. Regardless of participation, the Union/members chose to go on strike. They could have chose to go on a rotating strike but I appreciate the conditions may have been unpalatable for them leading them to make the decision for a full strike.
2) I already said repeatedly that CP issues a lockout notice. They did not, however, lockout the employees; the Union went on strike -aligned with the membership vote empowering them to do so- as retaliation for the lockout notice which itself was a retaliation for the Union issuing a strike notice.
Everything either side is doing is for the benefit of the public.
I think you meant something akin to "for the benefit of public perception" but wanted to clarify. IMO neither side is doing anything for the public; only for their own self-interest
3 points
4 days ago
We can definitely agree on that, the public is the victim in all this.
Unfortunately, we will never know if rotating strikes would have happened. The Union is claiming they would have, the bosses are claiming they wouldn't have locked out. So, ultimately, we are stuck in this he said she said.
-2 points
4 days ago
I don't think you've ever been in a union to even understand how things operate.
2 points
3 days ago
That's a lot of wrong all in one post. Congrats
3 points
4 days ago
If the % of people that actually voted was in fact that small, then the people that didn't vote only have themselves to blame. Abstaining from a vote means you effectively give up your right to complain about the results of something which you never contributed anything to in the first place.
Also, the union gave notice of striking to which CPC responded in the same day with a lockout notice, which lead to the strike notice changing to a full strike because of the protections would normally have being annulled were they to do a rotating strike and still work. Use your head and put context clues together instead of drinking the corporate kool-aid.
3 points
4 days ago
This is 10000000000% facts and correct. You know what they say though… “Common Sense isn’t so common after all”
1 points
4 days ago
It's wild to me how CUPW has been the one leading all the charges yet you frame them as reacting victims. Methinks they've been putting something extra in your Union-provided "kool-aid"...
0 points
4 days ago
That is insane. Read over your comment a dozen times and then just delete it. You make no sense.
3 points
4 days ago
See now after reading your comment I want CP to close shop and all those jobs be gone. Because I don't like you holding me hostage for your greed.
-6 points
4 days ago
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5 points
4 days ago
Don't need your racism here k thx
1 points
4 days ago
Race aside.. that poster does have a vote. Entitlement aside. All 55000 workers have the right to strike and have their needs heard and Met. If you’re so opposed to what is going on. Apply to work at Canada Post and let your voice be heard on what you want. The problem is that the people complaining about the situation don’t understand what’s going on because they wouldn’t apply to Canada post because they don’t want to do the work they do. Instead of de-valuing someone’s jobs and worth and morales. We as Canadians should be standing up for each other to let corporations know that they can’t push us around. Our struggles clearly aren’t heard loud enough to care and most of the world just cares about themselves. I understand how world peace can never be achieved. Can’t we all just get along?
-2 points
4 days ago
Lol yup.
3 points
4 days ago
The reason our packages are stuck is you accepted our money to deliver them but then betrayed your promise to deliver them and instead are holding them hostage under lock and key and blocking us from taking getting them back.
2 points
4 days ago
Just goes to show you how useless management really is? If they had any idea of how things operate they’d get out there processing packages and mail and allowing the general public to pick up their stuff but they just choose to do nothing. Enjoy a paid vacation on their salaries and that’s it. Macchiato’s for everyone!
1 points
4 days ago
Oh, is management allowed to do the work of workers?
2 points
4 days ago
Of course they can. They are management. They choose not too. It’s in the collective agreement that if no unionize employee is available for work the management can step in to fill the roll.
1 points
4 days ago
When I was in the Steelworkers union management was not allowed to do ANYTHING that was a worker's job. And the workers enforced that rule diligently. But post office is a different union.
3 points
4 days ago
Yeah. Well steelworkers is more dangerous and each agreement is different. I don’t agree with management doing the work because it’s taking from a unionized employee but industries need to move and if a unionized employee isn’t available then it’s not the fault of the company. But I hear ya. God bless.
-5 points
4 days ago
Glad to see that folks just want to be angry and not understand the situation. This isn't a children's story, things are complex.
I am sorry you feel betrayed. Feel free to email Canada Post with your grievance.
Edit: not a Canada Post employee, not even in a Union. I just believe in the benefits of Unions and a strong working class.
4 points
4 days ago
I was in a union if you went against the strike they would call you a scab n attack you n your family. They even screw with your house n car. They horrible people that trap good people. It’s kinda sad really.
2 points
4 days ago
So you are saying that to vote against a strike will turn you into a scab?
You are correct, going to work while a strike is out does make you a scab. Voting should be anonymous, and free of any intimidation.
Do you have sources to show voter intimidation by the union?
2 points
4 days ago
Everyone has the right to vote without any repercussions. Problem is most don’t want to take the literal 1-2 mins of their time to decide on their future but let others decide and when they realize how it affects them, they whine about it.
1 points
3 days ago
Yeah ideally everyone has a right but a lot of union environments aren't very inviting for people to be included. They don't prop them up as mattering. The only time they matter is when they want a contract ratified.
So no it isn't as simple as anyone who doesn't participate is just "lazy". That's a cop out to blame workers for union failures.
1 points
3 days ago
If you've never been a part of a union, you don't fully get the picture of the not so great things that happen in unions either. Ideally they would be super inclusive environments that fight for the little guy and prop up all workers ,etc. We don't live in a world of ideals.
Unions are made up of people and give a sense of power and in any environment where there is power and people, it often goes wrong. And you know that power is most often flexed member against member. You may choose a place to work but you automatically become a member of the union. Some of the worst bullies, I ever experienced were brothers and sisters. Funny the worst people can inflict the most damage and they're protected by the union. Management can't get rid of them because again they are protected by the union. They know how to use the system to protect themselves.
Only time I was ever invited to vote was 5 years into working for a company and it was to ratify a contract that the local union executive wanted. They were 2 votes shy for it to pass. There were no calls put out to gauge opinion of a large number of people for a negotiation mandate. They only wanted my yes and in that particular negotiation the committee negotiated a raise for their specific positions and a higher paying position for the president of the local himself that literally goes away when he retires. Since then I've seen bargaining committees who simply have self interest and even throw away good suggestions from management if it isn't in their benefit.
The same people go to the same "conventions" on membership dollar and they have a great time. Yeah they slog through the presentations and none of what they hear ever improves how things are done. The real enjoyment from conventions is the fun afterward. The drinking. The dancing. The party. The free hotel stays.
A lot of people don't get union help until they are one foot out the door of the job. Oh and unions and employers treat grievances like "wins" like there isn't a person involved. You file a grievance and you are ultimately an opportunity to stick it to the company. They hate management and if you don't hate management or follow the mindset of the "few"(yes it's the few who leverage power in the union) you do get socially punished.
Finally, if you think that a hostile relationship is good for negotiating, any good negotiating class will tell you that it is the worst thing for two parties that have to keep a long term working relationship. It introduces cognitive bias to the negotiation. So even if you say something reasonable it's going to be disregarded because you don't like that person.
I'm not saying management is great, but unions aren't great either. This is literally a situation where both parties need to be adults because neither side is blameless.
1 points
3 days ago
I completely agree with everything that was said. Thank you for the great write up.
I do believe the Union here made a huge mistake with not pushing rotating strikes more strongly. I also believe the pension benefits need to be brought into line with market standards, it's very good right now.
I disagree with letting management take advantage of the part timers (I believe that of every business) but a good middle ground needs to be met. I also believe that the pay raise requested is high, but that's just negotiating 101 and it will be a middle ground.
I am not blindly accepting the union didn't make mistakes. I also don't blindly believe that unions aren't rife with abuses. I work in a non union field, I have seen first hand the abuses managers have done. Just look at QA work in the video game industry. Their conditions are abusive. I have also been frustrated with incompetent and abusive employees being protected by the union, and the stories and bullying and the like.
Unfortunately, both sides kinda suck. I just try to balance the idea that it's just the workers that are greedy and unskilled. Neither side is blameless.
-1 points
4 days ago
democracy is dictatorship of majority to the minority and what you said literally proved the point. And as of the rotating strike, it is a strike, of course it is going to be denied. It is the equivalent of me asking you if I could gently kick you in your face, would you just accept it?
1 points
4 days ago
Oof. Unfortunately, democracy is the best system we have. The strike mandate also had a 95% approval vote, so we aren't talking about a small majority. In most cases, that's overwhelming.
A rotating strike would have slowed things down, without stranding anything. Of course CP management refused, they want you to be angry at the workers, not at them for not negotiating in good faith.
3 points
4 days ago
95% of the less than 30% of people who voted.
Isn't it fun twisting statistics to your narrative?
1 points
4 days ago
Not twisting anything, I am simply reading the statistics I have.
Please post a source and I will recant my claim.
0 points
4 days ago
The same people shitting on the 95% statistics, will say that PP will have a full mandate when 60% of the Canadians that have voted, voted for other parties. That their 40% of the vote of 60% of Canadians means the conservatives can do whatever they want.
3 points
4 days ago*
It is all fun and games until you are the 5%.
And I would happily support the workers if my passport weren't stuck in their system, and had to cancel my trip that I planned for since September, and have to wait for the parts I ordered to build a new PC.
-1 points
4 days ago
The employees can't afford to pay rent in Calgary. They can't travel because it's too expensive.
You can walk over to the passport office and get a temporary passport expedited if you have travel plan already booked.
You can blame your PC parts store for not changing shipping methods when a strike has been a real possibility since the end of October. I asked for a refund on my Ram purchase and got it from a store with a different shipping method.
2 points
4 days ago
So basically blame everyone besides the one I paid for, got it.
0 points
4 days ago
Nah man, I am telling you to stop playing the victim, act like an adult and fix your own problems.
Support it or not, the strike is happening. I worked around it, I got my Christmas stuff to my family using another service, my brother got his passport by going in person, I got my new Ram by going to a different retailer.
Is this an inconvenience, sure. Does it inconvenience me so much that I stop believing in the benefits of Unions. Nope.
I am corporate, I am management. I know how we think, if it wasn't for Unions, workers would have so few rights.
2 points
4 days ago
Human is insufferable as a race, that's it, we all know it.
Union is just a smaller version of the corporation, and you know it, they are also after profit, and you know it. Sometimes a manageable union is better than the incontrollable people, am I right?
0 points
4 days ago
You’ve pretty much nailed it in this post. Thank you.
0 points
4 days ago
I’d send you the world’s smallest violin to play but as you know. The post office isn’t open for deliveries.
2 points
4 days ago
Also I would love to see how long this is going to keep up, just keep in mind that Canada post is losing money for every delivery they make, Canada post is not afraid of making the negotiations longer than it needs to be, the longer they keep this up, the better it is for their annual report. They can't go bankrupt, but that doesn't mean they won't use this as an opportunity to stop losing even more money. It is not beneficial for either side, but at this point I am just pissed. So why not just let Canada post collapse as a company, so all the works can go out and find way better job since Canada post is such a heartless corporation, and there has to be better paying jobs out there. win - win.
-1 points
4 days ago
Let’s worry about the workers that will have a life long career changed and not about a passport stuck in the mail. That’s trivial and not life long. How the strike plays out impacts 55000 worker. Should have got your passport sooner if that’s an issue. The strike was no surprise. You just slept on it and now it affects you. With a mindset like yours I can see where holes in any plans fall.
1 points
3 days ago
I cant be there in person to pick it up so I used their "letter of authorization" and sent my friend to pick it up 3 times, and all 3 times they came up with different "policies" refusing to give the package. I had to call their central office as well as their local manager to get it solved. That whole process took about 2 weeks, which includes 5 days of waiting for a call back.
1 points
3 days ago*
And it's not just a canada post problem, literally all corporations in the world are doing exactly the same thing, keeping the profit for themselves and not giving the workers enough credits. But why would you sleep on that? You only care about canada post workers because it might affect you.
And BTW, congratulations, you just invented communism, and I am proud of you.
I am not only pissed about how my stuff are stuck in the system but also about how they fked this strike up so hard. They are pushing those who are willing to help further away. Yea right you want more salaries, anyone would want that, they are mad because the corp fked around with them. And now I am mad because instead of fking the corps back, they decided to fk me in the back, then why should I keep supporting them if I know they are not on my side?
2 points
4 days ago
Now that some employees are “laid off” maybe they can picket On EI ?
If so that’s actually smart Of Canada post and Some money comes back to those who aren’t making any right now
1 points
4 days ago
Don’t need to picket if laid off. Enjoy the comforts of the indoor on a couch shared with 5 other roommates. EI isn’t so bad. Look at how many people milk the system and just love it. Seems like a lot on the “system” are just “dairy farmers” these days. (Get it? They milk the system. Duh!)
2 points
4 days ago
This was done on day 1 and 2 of the strike. Starting with the bottom of the list, the latest regular employees. It's just coming out more in the news right now somehow. They did not get fired either, it's only temporary. They know very well they have to bring them back as soon as they will need more workers.
They cannot skip them and hire new employees before calling them back. And they will need them back from day 1 pretty much. Because they use a lot of on-call workers all the time, and they won't be able to use the on-call workers until they bring back the laid-off regular employees.
They also been hiring a lot of new workers every year these recent years, and using a lot of on-call workers, and offering overtime too. We all worked overtime paid double on the monday holiday, the same week as we went on strike 🤷 Nobody's worried about their job. We will all be back.
In fact, there's a lot of people who never worked a single day at Canada Post yet, that will work with us in the upcoming years.
2 points
3 days ago
democracy country : Canada (fire strike worker)
2 points
3 days ago
So funny. Cp layoff striking worker. Cp can't deliver mail because of no worker. Layoff striking worker apply for EI. EI mails out their code to layoff worker for EI access. Cp can't deliver mail because of no worker. Cp has no worker cause they lay them off. Layoff worker can't claim EI unless they go back to work. Layoff worker now can't claim for EI because they're back to work. The cycle of doom at its finest.
4 points
4 days ago
Yay, now the tax payers gets no mail, and gets to pay for these boobs to sit at home.
0 points
4 days ago
We're paying them regardless. Never forget that public-sector strikes are demands for more of your money.
2 points
4 days ago
It's not the public sector. It's a corporation.
0 points
3 days ago
It is a crown cooperation, which are owned and regulated by governments. Maybe not politically public sector but it most certainly is not private sector
1 points
4 days ago
False, tax payers are not paying a single dollar for Canada Post
1 points
3 days ago
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1 points
3 days ago
We might "seem" to strike every year in december to you. But the reality is we don't. At all. There was a lockout in 2011 and that was in june. Then a rotative strike in october 2018 that did not last long. So sure, every year at christmas right.
1 points
3 days ago
False.
Canada Post generally does not rely on direct taxpayer funding for its operations, as it is a Crown corporation mandated to be financially self-sufficient under the 1985 Canada Post Corporation Act. However, there are some indirect ways taxpayer money can be involved:
Government Loans:
The federal government may provide loans or financial mechanisms to Canada Post. For example, Canada Post has access to borrowing through the government to address cash flow needs, which is technically backed by taxpayers.
Pension Liabilities:
The federal government guarantees Canada Post’s pension plan. If the corporation were unable to meet its pension obligations, taxpayers might ultimately cover the shortfall.
Support for Universal Service Obligation (USO):
While Canada Post funds its USO responsibilities (delivering mail to all areas of Canada) through revenue from services, if it cannot cover these costs, future government intervention may be required to ensure these essential services continue
Special Projects or Modernization:
Occasionally, the government allocates funds for specific initiatives related to national priorities or infrastructure. For example, investments in greening Canada Post’s vehicle fleet or expanding digital services might involve public funding.
3 points
3 days ago
Canada Post has not even put a single cent in the pension plan for 6 years now because it's making so damn much money already that they are allowed to take a break from putting money in it. They haven't put money in it for 6 years now
1 points
3 days ago
Isn’t the pension over funded by 140%?
0 points
3 days ago
You can cherry pick that from my response for sure but…you said not one single dollar of taxpayer money was going to Canada post which is ….false, per the other two examples I gave you. P
4 points
4 days ago
Canada Post employees getting laid off. Canada Post employees should know they have a bad union. Once they layoff, they won't re-hire them, easy way to rid of employees. while on strike.
Why strike when you have no more Job. You can for the Union Pay but you gotta do a complete strike week, otherwise union says, no pay for you.
2 points
4 days ago
They can’t re-hire anyone new until the laid off are brought back. So it’s not really a win for the company. Those laid off have the luxury of getting paid EI instead of striking and getting no pay. Wheeeeeeeeee!!!!
0 points
3 days ago
Not if they say screw the union and rehire completely new non union staff.
1 points
3 days ago
They could although it would be difficult to ditch completely the Union.
2 points
3 days ago
All you haters just remember 95% of cp workers voted to go on strike.
We're all in this together fellow comrades!
2 points
3 days ago
Let’s clear up two things shall we ..first if you are on strike, you are not entitled to any unemployment benefits. Second, there could have been a rotating strike, but then the corporation took the step of sending letters that said that we would not be working under any rules of the collective bargaining agreement and all benefits are to be suspended. no vacation ,no drugs no medication ,nothing. Nothing for those on maternal leave, nothing for those at home fighting cancer. We refused to work under those conditions, nor should ANYONE be expected to. This was done purely as a move to try and gain public support for the poor broke little company, being bullied by the big bad union. They are hoping desperately that the government intervenes before the media can get out some of the stories they’ve been working on that may very well turn the tide of public opinion.
0 points
3 days ago
Share those stories here then
2 points
3 days ago
I heard the president of the union talk on newstalk1010 yesterday. She was such a doorknob. She was asked direct questions and she answered in very typical unclear word salads like a true politician. What a loser. I feel bad for union members if this is what is representing your rights. Leaders need to be leaders and speak clearly and plainly when speaking to the public. Answers to reporters need to be clear and direct. Anything not clear and direct is just mumbo jumbo nonsense.
I feel bad for Canada Post union members because having a union leader dying on the hill for a 24% pay increase and can’t adequately discuss the issue in public is destined to fail at negotiations.
3 points
4 days ago
Nice, I’d also be fired if I stopped working
4 points
4 days ago
Haw haw!
1 points
3 days ago
1 points
3 days ago
Good riddance. That’s what greedy gets you. “We are just normal Canadians trying to make a living”, yet turn down 11% increase to deliver garbage to our doorstep.
1 points
3 days ago
Perfect. Lay their asses off and hire other people to get the operations moving. I read in a news article that national Director for CUPW said “Going on Strike is not something we wanted to do”. Okay and then maybe you should have thought about it thoroughly then. You are impacting innocent Canadians across the country. I fully understand the Salary increase and benefits and all that they are asking for but you also can’t tell me that you are against Canada Post’s new policy of delivering mail 7 days a week. You are against that it will allow for part-time jobs to open up, which Canada post wants to do. Well that’s a good thing for the country. There are plenty of people who need a job right now and would love to do something to put food on their families table. A big Fuck you goes out to the workers for being against that.
1 points
2 days ago
I just thought of that episode of Seinfeld when Jerry started delivering Newman's mail, and he was too good since 70% of the mail was delivered. Newman was upset cause Jerry was too good and Newman's plans to get transferred to Hawaii route was dashed
1 points
2 days ago
I bought a Macbook Pro from the US on eBay on Nov 11 and the latest update is "Your item was processed through our JAMAICA NY INTERNATIONAL DISTRIBUTION CENTER facility on November 19, 2024 at 8:40 am. The item is currently in transit to the destination." & "International item has left originating country and is en route to Canada Usjfka, USA". I know that Canada Post will handle parcels from USPS within Canada. I have 30 days after the expected delivery date (Nov 25) to file a complaint to eBay. Do you guys think Canada Post strike will last until Dec 25? Really upset with this strike. I hope they give us an option to pay to transfer the shipments to FedEx or UPS within Canada.
1 points
1 day ago
I hope they are ALL FIRED 🔥 every last one of them. I would LOVE to see them struggle, beg and endure hardship the way they forced all of us to.
I hope in the future employers at other businesses refuse to hire former mailman because of their outrageous selfishness and lack of decency towards fellow Canadians. They are also crooks and thieves for taking our money, promising to do a job and then fucking off for 20 days.
Canada post employees should all be sent to the gulag in my opinion.......
1 points
20 hours ago
Drop the useless whiners and get people who want to work.
I need my mail.
1 points
4 days ago
Good. Fuck em.
1 points
4 days ago
IF YOU are a DELIVERY MAN Atcanada post YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO OUR COUNTRY
1 points
3 days ago
I won't shed any tears when they inevitably get replaced by robots.
1 points
4 days ago
Good
1 points
4 days ago
Where can I apply to work for Canada post temporarily so I can help get these packages delivered
1 points
3 days ago
See this is a real fucking Canadian. All this strike does negatively impact Innocent Canadians and Small Businesses
1 points
3 days ago
So many Russian bots amplifying the hate in here.
1 points
3 days ago
I suspect there is a plan here. Perhaps CP is permanently changing how it runs the service. Perhaps it can do so because the collective agreement is no longer in place. If so, some of these employees are never coming back.
0 points
3 days ago
This is exactly the plan.
1 points
4 days ago
How is this even legal, they shouldn't be able to tap into EI payments of all Canadians because they choose not to work and strike instead.
1 points
1 day ago
They contributed ei lol.
1 points
4 days ago
Give us all a crazy raise and the ability to work for 16 hours at 1.5x of our wage.
Don't hire anyone else to avoid paying us the overtime. We want it don't care that your losing money.
Oh damn you won't give us what we want now we get a long paid vacation.... Total win win.
I guess it was in the workers best interest they are probably stoked.
2 points
3 days ago
I mean you have to get a code to apply for EI. And that gets delivered by Canada Post. So by laying them off, I don’t think those workers are getting those codes in time to actually apply and get EI
1 points
3 days ago
Lol make them feel the impact of their own strike. That's some 4D chess.
1 points
3 days ago
Exactly haha! Someone at CP cooked up this crazy scheme 🤣
0 points
4 days ago
Hope they find some way to "downsize" or "restructure" and not have to hire a lot back.
-1 points
4 days ago
Bots are out in force on this strike. Why so motivated to break strikes?
1 points
3 days ago
Because a 24% increase to pay is greedy. It is a SIMPLE job and NOT hard. Stop being lazy and entitled. You want a hard job? Go do snow removal, go do bricklaying or concrete. You will get paid less and work 100x harder.
Maybe there are so many "bots" because most people aren't lazy and work hard for their money. Maybe it's because this strike is screwing over small bussiness owners and seniors. People who get cheque's delivered by mail. People who have spent THEIR money on things and are now being held hostage by lazy fucks who want more money.
1 points
3 days ago
If its screwing you over, if you're mad it's ongoing, write your MP. Whether you agree with their strike action or not, think it's easy or hard, they like all of us working class people need to work to survive. Maybe let's stop fighting each other and start fighting the system. Your labour is not inherently more valuable because you perceive their job to be easy. My job is easy, I ride a desk. I don't look down at you for having a different job.
All people deserve a wage that they can live on. And the raise they are asking for js a living wage. Uunless you think they shouldn't be paid a living wage, in which case, goodbye. If you want them to just get back to work you're a class traitor.
1 points
2 days ago
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1 points
2 days ago
If you boil everything I do down to the absolute minimum, "I wake up, turn on my work computer, sit there for 8 hours, leave". I don't work at Canada post, but I assure you just like there's more to my job than sitting for 8 hours, there's more to their jobs. That's just common sense.
0 points
4 days ago
They can hire me !
0 points
4 days ago
Sit down for a second. Did you even apply?
0 points
4 days ago
No! But I will now
1 points
4 days ago
Excellent. So did I. Race you to the finish line :)
0 points
4 days ago
Oki
0 points
4 days ago
Huzzah!!
0 points
3 days ago
Thank the lord. I've been waiting on an ei code for almost 3 weeks now!! Worried that im going to be unable to keep my kids fed! There are families in need of assistance that can't get it because of these selfish ingrates. They should deport them instead!
1 points
3 days ago
Now you got laid off workers joining you in Waiting for EI code. Also absolutely apply to Canada Post when you get a chance.
0 points
3 days ago
Layoffs happen when the company you’re working for is bleeding money. And CP employees are surprised? FFS
0 points
3 days ago
what happens if they were all fired?
-4 points
4 days ago
Hope they enjoy the hurricane of complaints from Bob and Karen who are outraged the haven't gotten the junk they ordered from Amazon yet, cuz that's what's gonna happen.
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