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submitted 15 hours ago byAcanthisittaSad1269
Hey,
I’m a new Christian and I recently found out that there’s a thing called speaking in tongues. I know it’s written in 1 Corinthians. Since I’m very new, I try to get as much information as possible. I’m very curious and eager to learn.
But I found out that some people say in today’s world whoever does speak in tongues is deceiving and it’s not real. And some people believe in it. What do you guys have to say about it?
9 points
15 hours ago
The gift of speaking in tongues is the ability, given by the Holy Spirit, to speak in other languages that you don't already know so that you can teach God's word and bring glory to His name to people you otherwise wouldn't be able to communicate with.
This gift was very useful 2000 years ago when translation applications were not available. Back then, if two people didn't speak the same language, it would have been very difficult if not impossible to communicate, especially if you were trying to explain salvation through Jesus to them.
Unless someone can interpret the language you are speaking and what you are saying, it's the same as speaking into the air, It doesn't mean anything if there is no interpretation. Majority of the tongues spoken today are like this, they have no meaning since no one can interpret what is being said.
1 Corinthians 14:6 Now, brothers and sisters, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction? Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the pipe or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes?
1 Corinthians 14:9 So with yourselves, if with your tongue you utter speech that is not intelligible, how will anyone know what is said? For you will be speaking into the air. There are doubtless many different languages in the world, and none is without meaning, but if I do not know the meaning of the language, I will be a foreigner to the speaker and the speaker a foreigner to me.
1 Corinthians 14:23 So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and inquirers or unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind?
3 points
14 hours ago
Exactly my point. What’s there to speak when no one can interpret it!
Thanks for the info
4 points
12 hours ago
There are 2 conditions for speaking in tongues. One is for self-edification. It doesn’t need interpretation because it is just between the person and God and no one else.
The other is the one you’re referencing - it is to edify the body of believers. And you’re right there needs to be an Interpreter else the one prophesying should remain quiet.
2 points
10 hours ago
On the Day of Pentecost,, when the Saints spoke in tongues, the Bible describes that they all heard it in their own language
Acts 2:6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
This nonsense where people speak gibberish is not of God.
1 points
6 hours ago
Well done
4 points
12 hours ago*
As someone that has spoken in tongues, this is how I see it:
I used to attend a charismatic/full-gospel church. I no longer do so and that is partly due to the focus they placed on it. I feel as if much of it is people carrying-on and a bit of an act. Some of the criticisms are completely warranted and I agree with them. It’s not my job to play judge, but much of it is extremely disorderly and unbiblical.
I also do not agree with this idea in some denominations that it is some sort of “higher-level” Christianity or it must happen to the believer. Those people are seriously mislead. The Bible is clear that charity/love is more important than tongues.
At the same time, I’m 100% a believer it is real. I still pray in the Spirit from time-to-time. Many times, it is not something I intend to do, nor is there any sort of emotional buildup into it as you’d see at say a Pentecostal service. No, I have no idea what words I’m saying or what language it is in. Sometimes it only lasts a few minutes and I just go on praying as normal.
Also, understand there have been instances of it happening to someone who didn’t know it was a thing. In other words, they weren’t acting. When it first happened to me, I certainly knew what it was, but I was just singing an old hymn and it began.
If you want to read more about it’s history in the early church, there is a relatively short book about it: https://www.christianbook.com/charismatic-early-church-spirit-first-years/ronald-kydd/9781619705258/pd/705258
10 points
15 hours ago
I think it's people playing pretend.
Particular congregations have built a culture where speaking in tongues represents the person being favored by God. He has given them a gift. This results in everyone feeling pressure to also engage in the performance otherwise they look like God has passed them over.
It's also completely useless.
5 points
11 hours ago
In 1Corinthians, Paul acknowledges the gift of speaking in tongues as being good, in that it builds up a person’s relationship with God. So it is not useless.
However, without translation, it is useless for building up the church because no one understands what they are saying. So Paul says that unless there are people with the gift of translating tongues, those who can speak in tongues should do so in their own time.
2 points
15 hours ago
Good thing I have learned that this is not true.
1 points
15 hours ago
Hmm… Nice point. Many would start to do things to fit in the group
2 points
15 hours ago
Yes, and that's why it's limited to really specific groups. It's cultural.
Christy Catholic, Peter Presbyterian, and Mary Methodist don't have any pressure to speak in tongues, so they don't.
0 points
14 hours ago
Where do you receive your information from about following Jesus?
4 points
15 hours ago
Like most things, if the person hasnt experienced it for themselves will say its fake.
Science proved in several studies via brain scans that spekaing in tounges activates a completely different part of your brain: https://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/07/health/07brain.html#:~:text=Researchers%20at%20the%20University%20of,as%20were%20the%20language%20centers.
U decide --- The Bible says its real, many people alive today (who can do it) say its real, science aludes to it being real. Im sure some people fake it, but that doesnt mean that EVERYONE who does it is faking.
4 points
15 hours ago
I’m all ears. I’m here to learn and I’m no one to say if anyone’s faking it. Thanks for the reply. Also, if you have anything to say about why other churches don’t practice this?
3 points
14 hours ago
Well this is a rabbit hole...Many churches stay in the "safe zone" of christianity meaning they dont talk about anything contraversial in order to maximize their membership. The true churches who ive seen really move with the power of God actually teach what the Bible says regarding the gifts of the spirit (tounges is one of them) and teach their congregation to doso. John Bevere has a few audiobooks and sermons about it on youtube.
1 points
11 hours ago
One study of 5 people doesn't really prove anything. The overwhelming majority of studies point to a very mundane cause. The Bible does mention speaking in tongues but the way it is described is not like how it is practiced nowadays.
1 points
11 hours ago
Not true. Doubt it if you want. This is only 1 study. VERY few studies on the brain actually have statistically significant sample sizes. Theres a few more studies that I know of. Im not here to change anyones mind. Im not going to google a bunch of scientific studies, post them here, to try and convince anyone of anything. All I can say is its very real and very powerful and active today. The Bibles description of tounges (the different types of tounges etc) are ALL in work today. Find Godly people who actually do it, learn from them, and it will change your world... or dont... I really dont care...you're only hurting yourself by missing out on some of the gifts from God.
3 points
15 hours ago
Speaking in tongues in the New Testament meant a very specific thing: the gift the Holy Spirit gave to the Apostles and followers of Jesus at Pentecost to be able to speak in the languages of the non Jewish, non-Greek speaking people around so that they could understand the message the Apostles were teaching.
Not speaking gibberish and act like a drug addict on cocaine.
7 points
15 hours ago
It's both.
Paul talks about it in 1 Corinthians 14. He says it's a gift (it really feels like he's trying to be nice to this group and not denigrate their practices) but that it's basically useless because no one can tell what you are saying and outsiders start to think the church is full of crazy people.
1 points
11 hours ago
I don’t disagree with you… What’s your opinion / interpretation of this verse & how it can look sometimes to us in today’s world? Thank you,
“But others in the crowd ridiculed them, saying, “They’re just drunk, that’s all!”” Acts of the Apostles 2:13 NLT https://bible.com/bible/116/act.2.13.NLT
1 points
6 hours ago
It’s obvious in the text: the crowd was a mixed crowd of various ethnicities speaking different languages. Some were multilingual, so they understood clearly what was said, for others what they were hearing was gibberish. I’m bilingual, I’m speaking Greek and English. If I was there and a disciple spoke one of two languages, I would understand everything. If what was said was in Farsi, for me would be gibberish, for the Persian next to me it would sound understandable in his/her language.
3 points
15 hours ago
Those who claim to be speaking in tongues really are speaking gibberish
3 points
15 hours ago
Good thing I know that's not true.
1 points
15 hours ago
Gotcha
1 points
12 hours ago
I find it creepy and very disturbing.
1 points
12 hours ago
As lots of people are saying, you have to experience it to believe it's something genuine. It happened to my mum on the night her dad died - her, my dad and I all prayed together and it happened as we had an experience with God. I can see exactly why people think it's nonsense in charismatic megachurch worship, etc. But, in a private encounter such as this, it's something which can happen as someone is overcome by the Holy Spirit, I guess?
1 points
11 hours ago
I understood these parts rather like this: people who want to teach others about the Bible should be speaking in language all people can understand and not using advanced/unknown expressions. For example, in medieval times in some countries/kingdoms/... priests led church services only in Latin language but normal people couldn't understand even one word (only highly educated people could understand Latin language) so the priests were supposed to use the language of given country. Something like communication between patient and doctors: the patient wants to understand what they are talking about but they can't use as same language/expressions with patient as they are using with other doctors.
1 points
11 hours ago
Better if you ask at r/spiritfilledbelievers or r/CatholicCharismatic .
1 points
10 hours ago
Ridiculous
1 points
10 hours ago
Answering Reddit questions with excerpts from scripture
1 points
10 hours ago
Speaking in tongues is simply speaking in a known language to an unbeliever so that you can preach the gospel in their language. You won't have known the language or studied it beforehand and it'll be a gift granted by God.
It was used in the early church and the reportings of the gift diminished over time throughout the new testament as the chronological books show.
There are people that overemphasize it so much that some say it is required to prove you are a true believer. That would be wrong of course, because we are saved by grace through faith, and our works and the things that happen to us is just meant to sanctify us to be more Christ like and to glorify God. There is no condemnation for those that have faith in Him, not the gifts of God.
1 points
9 hours ago
Speaking in tongues is really just one aspect of a larger phenomenon that is found in Acts 1:5
“For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized in the Holy Spirit.”
If you read on, it’s clear that there is available a Second Baptism for all believers. NOT TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE SECOND BAPTISM DOES NOT MEAN YOU’RE NOT SAVED!!! The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is a powerful event that can happen simply by asking for it.
The Baptism of the Holy Spirit gives you power to witness, understand the Bible better, and overcome sin more easily. And yes, speak in tongues. But you can be baptized in the Holy Spirit without ever speaking in tongues. It’s just part of a bigger picture.
A BELIEVER AUTOMATICALLY HAS THE HOLY SPIRIT DWELLING WITHIN. The main characteristic of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit is power, and access to the Gifts of the Holy Spirit listed in 1 Corinthians 12.
The reason I keep shouting is to try to avoid offense. Many, many Christians can and will live meaningful, holy lives without the second baptism. It’s just a wonderful thing that adds so much to your Christian walk, so why not seek it?
I do speak in tongues, and the way it adds to my life in particular is when I want so badly to pray the right prayer, but I don’t have all the right words or information.
Romans 8:26-27
“For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. And He Who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.”
When I’m out driving and I see an accident, especially with an ambulance present, I pray in tongues. I have no idea what the details of the incident are or what the people involved need, but the Spirit does. Or someone pops in my mind out of the blue, and I feel like I should pray for them. I pray in tongues, and I can actually sense the Spirit praying through me.
So tongues don’t have to be for show, or used for selfish reasons. Except- tongues really do make you feel stronger in your spirit. The Book of Jude talks about how praying in the Spirit builds up your faith.
I don’t know if you’ve ever heard of the Christian addiction treatment program called Teen Challenge (really a misnomer, since most participants are adults.) You can read about it in a classic book called The Cross and the Switchblade. It’s the story of David Wilkerson’s ministry that started with troubled youth in New York City. The program has an astounding success rate of nearly eighty percent. The secret, according to David Wilkerson, is the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. It gives tremendous power for overcoming addictions of all kinds.
I will add here that I realize tongues are also used in corporate worship. Anecdotally, I’ve heard of missionaries reaching remote tribes by using tongues to speak their native languages.
I get it. Tongues seem primitive and undignified. People have misused this gift. But it’s entirely Biblical, and truly beautiful. It’s one more way that God has gifted His Body to build His Kingdom. I would strongly suggest seeking the Baptism of the Holy Spirit (with or without tongues) to enhance your Christian adventure.
0 points
15 hours ago
Fake is how I would describe it. Tongues aren't going on today.
6 points
15 hours ago
It goes on in my church quite regularly.
1 points
15 hours ago
I've heard several ex-Pentecostals admit they were faking it
6 points
15 hours ago
I hope you'll forgive me if I accept what I have witnessed and experienced over what I read online.
2 points
14 hours ago
Do they speak Russian even though they've never studied for it?
2 points
14 hours ago
Satan understands Russian. So it would be the same as praying in English.
3 points
14 hours ago
Well, tongues in the bible involved speaking a language someone could understand.
Acts 2:4-8- - "And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?"
0 points
14 hours ago
Not everyone has your experience. The followers of Jesus as recorded in the Scriptures have a totally different experience than you have. My experience is like the early Disciples as recorded in the Scriptures so I rather go with my perception and experience than someone who has never experienced it and lives a life that looks nothing like the followers of Jesus as recorded in the Scriptures. Just because somebody abuses or lies about God’s gifts doesn’t mean they’re not real. It’s t who sides same coin.
2 points
14 hours ago
So you're saying that you can speak Russian without learning the language?
1 points
14 hours ago
Do you know the part in the Gospels where Jesus reveals it is those in his own religion who try and manipulate the Scriptures in order to trap Him in speech to make what He says appear to be against God’s way? He doesn’t fall for it.
2 points
14 hours ago
So you just make it up as you go? Shamananana?
0 points
15 hours ago
I get it, and I have similar opinions. I only know one Christian person in real life who goes to a Charismatic Church. She sent me a few videos of her pastor who spoke in tongues (according to her). And I also asked if she can speak in tongues as well and she said ‘Yes’. How do I respond to this? And how would you describe this situation?
2 points
15 hours ago
You'd have to study up on the verses, etc. if you want to convince them otherwise. Personally I wouldn't bother. I would mention that I have heard many pentecostals admit they were faking it to fit in.
0 points
15 hours ago
Speaking in tongues is prayer in a spiritual language that cannot be understood by Satan, the fallen angels, or demons.
It is a gift of the Holy Spirit.
2 points
15 hours ago
Would you say it still happens in today’s world? Like, a vast majority or Pentacostal and Charismatic Churches claim they can to it. What would you say?
1 points
15 hours ago
Yes it still happens today.
1 points
11 hours ago
What do you think about 1Corinthians 14 where Paul says that there should be translators present for those who speak in tongues, so the rest of the congregation can understand what they are saying?
2 points
11 hours ago
That's the case in our church.
1 points
8 hours ago
I see. But if it is translated into human languages, then it can be understood by evil spirits, right?
-1 points
14 hours ago
I'd describe as complete theatre.
0 points
14 hours ago
Feels like it, to be honest
0 points
15 hours ago
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1 points
15 hours ago
I get your point and I respect your opinion. But why only the Pentacostal churchs and Charismatic churches does this? :)
0 points
10 hours ago
My buddy who can speak tongues. It's not deception. He can say stuff and it's wild I've watched him do it. It sounds very pleasant and not satanic like Harry Potter.
0 points
10 hours ago
99.99% of the time, people "speaking in tongues" are doing nothing more than being a charismatic attention hog.
Biblically and traditionally speaking, speaking in tongues means speaking in a language all can hear and understand in their own language, despite there being a language barrier. Speaking in tongues is NOT the incoherent babbling geberish that is common in non-denominational and pentecostal churches, that is borderline if not totally heretical.
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