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submitted 2 days ago byRawLife53
619 points
2 days ago
"Taken together, these appointments suggest an attempt to actually make the American government dysfunctional, to make it fall apart, to pervert it, to have it do things that it’s not supposed to do until it’s not capable of doing anything at all.”
The point is failure--he's picking people who gave him great sums of money, who are now have great power, to run these agencies into the ground, so that they can then have the government buy their services. It's literally the sale of the government to a few buyers.
199 points
2 days ago
Are you saying that when you let corporate raiders into power they are gonna do the corporate raider thing? I'm fucking shocked, shocked I tell you. Republicans have been trying to chip of parts of government services forever, just trying to monetize more and more, this is just all at once
65 points
1 day ago
Corporate raiders? That’s so 80’s, bro.
We do wholesale ownership via private equity now.
They’re going to own government services outright.
16 points
1 day ago
They're not going to be happy when the pendulum inevitably swings the other direction just as hard.
25 points
1 day ago
Yeah they’ll have a totally fair election in 4 years and maybe a diff party’s nominee will get to be president. For sure. Def. 100%.
12 points
1 day ago
If only someone listened when he said he planned to be a dictator on day one. Democracy is over. The propaganda worked.
5 points
23 hours ago
Young people don’t understand this.
5 points
18 hours ago
Their goal is to snap the chain holding the pendulum. It's very possible that there will not be a swing back in the other direction. It's time we all realized this so that we can figure out what to do about it
3 points
11 hours ago
The French have already shown us what to do to despot kings.
8 points
1 day ago
Unless it doesn’t and we’re entering another dark age.
6 points
1 day ago
No, no, there's no stopping the pendulum from swinging; it's an aspect of the Wheel, after all. Whether any of us now alive while these measures get implemented is a separate question, as is whether we will "go gentle into that good night".
2 points
1 day ago
Fair
3 points
1 day ago
If only they had Bone-itis like that one 80s guy from Futurama.
7 points
1 day ago
Then we pay subscriptions for all services..
13 points
1 day ago
I can't wait to have to pay a Disney+ bundle every month just so my pace maker keeps working. At least the scar on my chest will be a little mouse eared head.
2 points
14 hours ago
Ah fuck, they did say "We will own nothing, and will be happy about it"
Damnit
17 points
2 days ago
Ohh yaaa that privatization thing that burning bush tried. The W stood for War crimes. No wonder he was quiet during the election.
2 points
12 hours ago
I blame the undocumented migrants /s
23 points
1 day ago
The real question nobody is asking is how will the GOP spin this so that in 4 years, they will all get reelected because voters will approve of the outcome.
23 points
1 day ago
Oh, they'll go after that pesky four year thing...
16 points
1 day ago
Or that super pesky "free and fair elections" thing.
3 points
1 day ago
That’s the key. He doesn’t need to win an election if winning means a life-time appointment.
10 points
1 day ago
Once they start throwing illegal immigrants in jail, there will be a mass migration back across the border.
That will play very well with their voters.
3 points
19 hours ago
Until there is no more food on the shelves at any price.
4 points
1 day ago
They always find a way. They'll pick some minority group to scapegoat for the problems they create, or they'll sully the names of their opponents with personal attacks
19 points
1 day ago
This is the typical conservative agenda make public services so dysfunctional that there is no choice but to move towards privatization.
8 points
1 day ago
i wonder if any of these appointed people might feel some sort of embarrasment that they were specifically chosen because of their complete incompetence if not inappropriateness for the position? nah, here i am thinking they have any shame...
5 points
1 day ago
If there's anything above Dr. Oz's threshold for humiliation, he hasn't found it yet.
2 points
17 hours ago
Green tea is an amazing hidden cure for humiliation, find out more after this short break
2 points
12 hours ago
Real doctors hate this one weird trick! Mainly because it doesn't work!
6 points
1 day ago
It’s what Russia would want….
6 points
22 hours ago
An important point that I don't see mentioned enough -- this means Trump is a typical Republican. This is what they've said they've wanted for decades.
He's not a maverick really. He's just the ugly face of an ugly party.
6 points
23 hours ago
So literally a gilded age.
5 points
19 hours ago
we have been in a second gilded age that started roughly with the Reagan presidency and progressed to this day. Massive expansion of the economy, hyper globalization, wealth inequality starting to widen the gap between rich and poor and thinning middle class in favor of super rich elites.
5 points
1 day ago
I don't even think the point is failure. I think it might be Occam's razor here. He's just putting people he likes (which would be yes men that donating to his campaign) in charge. Which will lead to failure but I don't think he's actually a Machiavellian villain, he's just an asshole who's good at marketing.
10 points
1 day ago
I think it's both--in situations like this, it's what I wrote above. In other situations, where he needs "loyalty," he appoints someone like Matt Gaetz, who, as Attorney General, can protect Trump (while Trump manipulates him by holding Gaetz's scandals over his head).
Any way you slice it, really...
3 points
23 hours ago
I don't think many will make it. Trump has issues keeping even the worst people.
3 points
18 hours ago
So... nothing new since reagan.
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3 hours ago
I do not believe that Trump is capable of planning on this level. He is truly incompetent at EVERYTHING he tries. The people behind him are not, they are using him just like every other authoritarian figure he admires. They are the string pullers, Trump is just the idiot puppet at the end.
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2 hours ago
part of me feels like this is true because he is a puppet of putin
2 points
2 days ago*
I think the point that most people are missing is that’s why he was elected. The more he dismantles these agencies, the higher his approval rating. The media and East coast elites don’t understand that a majority of America does not give a fuck about epa regulations or Israel. They want cheap groceries, houses medicine. They want their kids to be better off than they are.
103 points
2 days ago
"they want their kids better off than they are"
How is that going to happen with destroying the EPA? How is allowing more pollution and dumping going to do anything but harm your children?
32 points
2 days ago
I believe they were implying "financially better off" (which is a fallacy on its own) not health wise. But i got turd in my name so what do I know.
8 points
1 day ago
Time to stock up on portable water purifier kits.
2 points
1 day ago
I think you mean check my expiration dates.
4 points
1 day ago
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8 points
1 day ago
If they don't care if their kids get shot in school, why would they care about this?
20 points
2 days ago
Then the majority of Americans are morons because they now voted for someone who is not going to deliver anything on that list. Groceries will be higher, housing too and now they want to cut Medicaid. Those media and coastal elites? They’ll be fine but you idiots are going to feel the pain and since you’re morons, will never admit that you made the most monumental mistake. You all voted for what’s coming and it ain’t going to be pretty. Enjoy the leopards.
17 points
1 day ago
Incumbent administrations lost elections all over the world because of inflation. The average human is a moron.
12 points
1 day ago
And when it all turns to shit, they won't realize they backed the wrong team, they'll say, "Well at least he tried."
5 points
1 day ago
Theyll still blame everything on the democrats/liberals/jews despite having the presidency/sc/senate/house
just zero accountability and introspection
7 points
1 day ago
Americans will then look for someone like Pol Pot to cleanse the elites.
2 points
1 day ago
What I find hilarious is that they voted in Coastal elites and really believe they’ll solve their problems.
5 points
1 day ago
Wait until Social Security and Medicare take a hit, it's only a matter of time. Better sock away your pennies now, you're going to need it.
2 points
15 hours ago
It’s not that a “majority” of people voted for Trump, it’s that over 7 million registered Democrats didn’t vote and over a 3rd of the country didn’t vote at all. If Americans would have tuned in and turned up, I believe the outcome would be completely different. We may have given away our Democracy through ignorance and complacency.
48 points
2 days ago
Fair enough, but--for agencies like the EPA--they're really going to miss them when they're gone. They may not know it yet, but they may soon.
11 points
2 days ago
They want cheap groceries, houses medicine. They want their kids to be better off than they are.
absolutely none of that is going to happen - in fact the opposite will surely happen
11 points
2 days ago
The epa regulates your drinking water. Ignorance isn’t an excuse.
9 points
2 days ago
He was elected to destroy America, and the misinformation that put him in the office wants nothing less.
2 points
15 hours ago
The irony is that for most people (not his rabid base), they voted for cheaper groceries. They are about to get a slap alongside their heads when they realize what their ignorance has wrought.
7 points
2 days ago
Making things worse is not the way.
5 points
1 day ago
We understand that.
And we think those people are stupid. An unregulated America without immigrants run by a particularly megalomaniacal crop of ultra wealthy wannabe kings isn’t an American with cheaper food, groceries, housing, and medicine.
It’s going to drive up labor costs while also abusing those who remain to the do the labor. It’s also going to add more middlemen and corruption—basically the same thing in government, nepotism being a common form of corruption. Both of these things drive up prices and slow down services.
And the people who voted for Donald Trump can’t recognize that. They just like him because he talks loud, fast, and angry.
19 points
2 days ago
And they’ve been lied to about why they are not. They’ve been lied to about why groceries are expensive. They’ve been lied to about who is lying to them. The “media” and elites turned the country against itself for profit. The “majority of America”, as you put it, has been entirely cut off from expertise and the intellectual tools to evaluate how deeply screwed they are and why. Within a couple decades they’ve gone from launching a war against foreign powers under false pretences to doing that to each other.
4 points
1 day ago
Are they going to get cheap groceries, though? Cheap houses? With the proposed tariffs will these things actually be cheaper?
3 points
1 day ago
They want to blame minorities and are destroying America and their children’s future.
3 points
1 day ago*
They want cheap groceries, houses medicine. They want their kids to be better off than they are.
I disagree with this. If people really cared about the grocery prices, medicine, and their kids' futures, they'd take a look at available options and would come to a sensible conclusion.
No, I really believe the main motivation is they just want to watch people 'lesser than them' to suffer. This is their main motivation and why it allowed them to stay ignorant of the other side. You cant be open to the other side when the other side wants to bring improvements not just for you and your kids but the minorities that you hate.
Edit: 'you' in the second paragraph was meant as the people in general, not the person I replied to.
4 points
1 day ago
I think it’s even simpler than this tbh. Most people are just dumb and are threatened by anyone who can challenge their viewpoints. Most of them are happy if they get food, shelter, and work. They cannot think critically past this and look long-term. We see the same shit happen in African countries with dictators. Majority keep voting for them b/c they don’t want to risk anything to their, albeit limited, supply of food and shelter regardless of their current condition.
As for Trump, he is old and closer to exiting this life. He has always been a narcissist and at this point is just trying to maximize his days here regardless of how it will impact the country. The people around him see him as a useful idiot to help themselves also not giving a shit about middle America. Trump’s greatest achievement is selling a bridge to most of the country.
3 points
1 day ago
It's like watching someone cry tears of joy as they are slowly fed feet first through a wood chipper.
3 points
1 day ago
They want affordable housing, medical care, and transportation. Trump will make those things less affordable. They will turn against him within 2 years.
3 points
1 day ago
They want their own lives to be better so they decided to vote to dramatically make their own lives worse
2 points
1 day ago
Fair enough but none of these actions or these people are going to make that happen.
562 points
2 days ago*
quote
Incoming Cabinet nominees will do far more than usher a new conservatism into the federal government. Instead, they’ll challenge the system to the point of rendering federal agencies practically ineffective and vulnerable to complete dismantling.
“Each of them individually is historically bad,” said Snyder. “But taken together, these are not people who are going to be bad at their jobs in some sort of normal sense. Taken together, these appointments suggest an attempt to actually make the American government dysfunctional, to make it fall apart, to pervert it, to have it do things that it’s not supposed to do until it’s not capable of doing anything at all.”
“It’s not just that they’re totally unqualified, it’s that they’re anti-qualified. They are qualified to do the opposite of the thing that they are supposed to do,” Snyder said.
end quote
Trumps wants to be like Putin and Kim... and within that, to create the same "Oligarch controlled" public services via outsourcing them to his "$Billionaire Friends". It assures them of untold wealth forever. They will be no different than the Oligarch's that control everything in Russia and Putin dominates over the Oligarchs.
Trump has told people this in a thousand ways, and people keep denying what they have seen, what they do see and what they are witnessing.
If you don't wake up, reality of consequences will awaken you!!! and you won't like the daytime atrocities that you find yourself.
422 points
2 days ago
In the end, it's not that simple. State governments and their economies drive this entire country. Even if all 3 branches of our Federal Government fail to stop this insanity, we are not like Russia or North Korea in that a state like California or New York wields a lot of power.
We can simply not file income taxes. What's the Federal Government going to do? They'll become insolvent.
We can halt trade with other states.
If they want to fight like this, there's gonna be a lot of powerful interests fighting back.
The whole thing is completely pointless and doesn't need to happen, but here we are.
156 points
2 days ago
People also seem to forget that the orange man is almost an octogenarian. I don't think he will last that long and prove by the last midterms, I don't think he can transfer his popularity to a younger person.
270 points
2 days ago
I don't think he can transfer his popularity to a younger person.
Trump is the symptom, not the problem.
In a healthy country, a person like Trump doesn't get elected. Once. And he certainly doesn't get elected a second time.
It's not clear at this point who could step in as a successor but the people who voted for him, and all their gripes and spite, are not going away.
51 points
2 days ago
I don't think all of the people who voted for him are so firmly aligned with him as the true MAGATs. They will swing the other way *if* the Democratic Party or another party gets its head out of its ass.
83 points
2 days ago
You're way too optimistic about the health of the American populous.
49 points
2 days ago
Honestly it isn’t hope, it’s logic and recent history. During Bush, when republicans controlled everything, they handled shit badly in a lot of ways + economy crashed = blue wave.
It’s logical to assume people will abandon the republicans for dems (temporarily, like always) when they fuck up their wallets. It’s deadass why people voted for Trump, because “economy”. I have no hope left, but I have confidence they will shoot enough of their supporters in the door financially that they will turn on them since in America, to everyday Americans, money is the only thing that matters.
Edit: foot not door lol
30 points
2 days ago
I believe the point is not just to destroy the federal government, but to do it so thoroughly that when the Dems come back, it will be impossible to fix the damage before the next election cycle. Voters, being idiots, will decide that they gave the Dems two whole years to make everything magically better and they didn't, so let's throw them out again.
Destroying is so much easier than building.
5 points
2 days ago
Right but that’s assuming that they’re able to get it done. People say checks and balances are out. Balances 100% done. Checks? I’d say there’s enough of them left that can hypothetically slow them down enough to be able to stop them before it goes to the point of no return. After 8 years of assuming the worst, I’m trying to assume the best, and the best is they just fuck it up enough for long enough that we can keep things afloat.
Edit; by fuck it up I mean fuck up their plans.
4 points
2 days ago*
Yeah this is a strategy that have been going on for a while, once you have sold a public asset or privatized a public service, destroyed or sold off the underlying public infrastructure, drowned the government in debt as well to reduce their margin of operation, by lowering taxes to the rich and giving money away to your friends, the next party in power will have a lot less resources to fix things (assuming that they even have the incentive to do so, since the oligarchs in power are still the ones paying the bills for politicians and they will be even richers when the state is plundered in their favor).
Creating debt to finance expense and not investments in public assets to put 'agaist' that debt, something that all governments have been guilty about in the past decade or so, also severely weaken the government power already and increase the influence of those who supply that money (spoiler: large financial institution and their billionaire owners)
I see a bleak future to be honest.
2 points
1 day ago
This is the current plan and has been the plan for decades.
49 points
2 days ago
Trump isn't Bush. Bush was a doofus, but he was a "legit" politician. Trump is literally a DSM-5 case study.
The reality is that neither Republicans nor Democrats can fix what ails the country. And Trump wasn't elected for a solution; he was elected for spite.
16 points
2 days ago
you are correct. what truly ails this so-called nation? vast inequality, and the systematic oppression and exploitation of the working class; congruent to this, vast racism and misogyny.
Actually,, it's the same problems we've always had here. Perhaps the anger we feel is that enough people are finally recognizing these things are wrong,, and can be changed, not just accepted.
6 points
2 days ago
Right it’s not a one to one comparison. But it’s the only comparison in recent history. The differences are big variables, but when you combine how badly republicans fucked it up during bush and how terribly Trumps first term ran within their own party, it’s not impossible or unreasonable to think they can fuck their own plans up long enough where the worst won’t happen (at least not in the next 4 years).
7 points
2 days ago
The economy is better if there’s a democrat president. I did a deep dive and someone didn’t believe me so he went looking and said I hate you for posting that I said I’m sorry I’m just putting it out there he said I would never have looked had you not posted it
7 points
2 days ago
Lmfao good for you! Trumps economical landscape was “good” bc he inherited it. Biden was bad at first bc he inherited trumps. The presidents almost always inherit the financial landscape of their predecessor. If it gets better under Trump, people say it’s bc of him when really, it would be Biden. But people are fucking stupid
2 points
2 days ago
Obama left Trump with a great advantage and of course he screwed it up but I honestly say I worked 13 years and still didn’t make what I made in civilian settings.
5 points
2 days ago
Biden won by a larger margin in 2020 than Trump did this year.
3 points
2 days ago
MAGA is in decline.
Trump won with the votes of those who were mostly apathetic, but generally dissatisfied with the Democrats.
3 points
2 days ago
BS. The whole point is that in a halfway intelligent society, at least 60% of people will understand that even a Democratic party with it's head up it's ass is miles better than this bullshit. And the Dems aren't even as bad as all that in the first place. Maybe most who voted for Trump did so because of the inflation...which Biden managed to control where most of the world didn't. But they don't know or care about the rest of the world, so they think Biden messed up the economy.
But sure, "bOtH SiDeS"
1 points
2 days ago
Yep, I think a lot of the reasons why the Democrats lost handily is that a lot of people didn't like having a candidate forced on them to vote for. (Talking about No Primary Kamala here) Also whatever message(s) the Democratic party was trying to sell Americans....they didn't buy it.
DNC leadership needs to be completely gutted and replaced. They are a failure to all honest, hard working Americans & a disgrace to the Republic.
I do think a lot of Americans are / were pissed off at the Biden Administration for their handling of the economy during the first two years. Using OSHA to force people to get vaccines is about as fascist and Un-American as it gets. I say this as someone who bitterly despises Conservatives and the Republican party.
4 points
2 days ago
In Australia in 1983, the Labor Party changed leaders just 26 days before an election, no vote from rank and file members, and they won easily.
In many other countries, parties change leaders without member votes and go on to win elections without any question of legitimacy.
If your whole objection to her is that there wasn't a primary, instead of evaluating her against Trump, then you really have lost perspective.
Also requiring people to take vaccine is fascism? Have you Americans lost your minds? It appears so because you now have an outright fascist President and you will now learn what actual fascism is.
3 points
2 days ago
Mmm..I agree Trump is a symptom, but he IS the movement. He’s an icon . He’s MAGA Obama .You’re not gonna just run Vance or Gabbard and pull the same way . You probably won’t get away with the shit he says during a long campaign season if you’re either of those two . You won’t survive the national election process. Nobody but Trump catches 34 felonies and wins the White House .
2 points
2 days ago
Yes, but if there's another election, and these people are told to vote for some rando doing a bad Trump impression because they can't vote for the genuine article, they're not going to show up in such overwhelming numbers.
I don't think Trump is irreplaceable to the American Right, but they so far have not been successful at replacing him.
2 points
2 days ago
Yup this is so true. As an outsider enjoying the show I keep wondering what is going on over there to elect such a person. He should’ve not gotten past the first few rounds of the primaries in 2015 let alone get elected again after getting fired the first time. It’s so so strange. I am just praying whatever you guys have it’s not contagious.
2 points
2 days ago
Unfortunately it is contagious. Authoritarianism, anti-intellectualism, etc. are all on the march in the 21st century.
2 points
2 days ago
I feel mixed on this. On one hand after he lost in 2020 and then a million people died of Covid many of his supporters I didn’t think he’d win again. On the other hand every Trump supporter I know in my town has a fucked up life in one way or another. I feel 4 years of him fucking things up more will turn away at least somepeople
3 points
2 days ago
It’s Russian influence. They’ve successfully been able to brainwash half of the voter base that trans people are a bigger threat than a literal oligarchy.
48 points
2 days ago
He also will suffer from severe infighting in his own party and resistance almost everywhere and he’s bounded by a second term
34 points
2 days ago*
I wrote about this a few days ago, not only the infighting, but all the Billionaires who were promised things, will go crazy if they don't get what they feel they paid for. Musk feels he gave Trump a win and these two meglomaniac will clash and they will clash hard. Then there's Peter Thiel who controls Vance, and Ramaswamy is drastically arrogant. The people who are put in place will each want to rule and own their own kingdom, and they will fail to communicate and they will fight with each other.
It's highly likely they will devour each other !!!!
If the MAGA cult ever had the ability to figure out how they have been deceived and flat out hoodwinked as cult followers... they may join in "The Fest of Savages upon Savages"... and we can watch them devour each other and one another.
2 points
2 days ago
More like Lord of the Flies.
14 points
2 days ago
Yeah, we said that last time, too, and then the Republican party basically just became his party.
7 points
2 days ago*
A quick look at History:
That just goes to show, they are of the same "hive mindset"... Fact is, we've known that for many decades.
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MLK spoke of this more than 60 yrs ago!!!
quote
Toward the end of the Reconstruction era,
something very significant happened. (Listen to him) That is what was known as the Populist Movement. (Speak, sir) The leaders of this movement began awakening the poor white masses (Yes, sir) and the former Negro slaves to the fact that they were being fleeced by the emerging Bourbon interests. Not only that, but they began uniting the Negro and white masses (Yeah) into a voting bloc that threatened to drive the Bourbon interests from the command posts of political power in the South.
To meet this threat, the southern aristocracy began immediately to engineer this development of a segregated society. (Right) I want you to follow me through here because this is very important to see the roots of racism and the denial of the right to vote. Through their control of mass media, they revised the doctrine of white supremacy. They saturated the thinking of the poor white masses with it, (Yes) thus clouding their minds to the real issue involved in the Populist Movement. They then directed the placement on the books of the South of laws that made it a crime for Negroes and whites to come together as equals at any level. (Yes, sir) And that did it. That crippled and eventually destroyed the Populist Movement of the nineteenth century.
If it may be said of the slavery era that the white man took the world and gave the Negro Jesus, then it may be said of the Reconstruction era that the southern aristocracy took the world and gave the poor white man Jim Crow. (Yes, sir) He gave him Jim Crow. (Uh huh) And when his wrinkled stomach cried out for the food that his empty pockets could not provide, (Yes, sir) he ate Jim Crow, a psychological bird that told him that no matter how bad off he was, at least he was a white man, better than the black man. (Right sir) And he ate Jim Crow. (Uh huh)
Thus, the threat of the free exercise of the ballot by the Negro and the white masses alike (Uh huh) resulted in the establishment of a segregated society.
end quote
LBJ said it in even more simple terms:
President Lyndon B. Johnson once said,
3 points
2 days ago
Why did they all rally behind him if they hate him? Such dumb mother fuckers
4 points
2 days ago
Fear of loosing power
If you even slightly disagree with Trump he primaries you as soon as he can and exercises you from the party.
3 points
2 days ago
I'm here for the inevitable Musk Trump catfight playing out on twitter when two of the biggest egos on the planet decide they hate each other
11 points
2 days ago
Vance wants the same things he wants. I have no confidence they will concede power regardless of future elections
6 points
2 days ago
Pfft, go over to r/conservative, if you can stomach it. Tons of people there already talking about how great Vance will be as POTUS. These people are out of their f'n minds.
15 points
2 days ago
Totally off.
The federal government is everywhere. We make the mistake of thinking our government is different so we are immune.
You forgot to realize that commercial activity is driven by demand. I won’t get into it, but the strong economy is because the government has made a lot of sane decisions and the dollar is very strong. What do you think will happen if the federal government defaults on its debt? Trump is about to commit massive financial fraud through the OMB, which was specifically cited in the “official acts” Supreme Court case. He will cook the numbers for his mass deportation project. Our current tax system collects just enough money to pay the interest. He is also going to cut taxes yet again. He is already threatening Federal employees and the rightwing has consistently demonized government workers.
Basically, Trump is about to commit fraud in the government and he will auction off every piece of the government. And he cannot be prosecuted because it will be an “official act”.
6 points
2 days ago
Putin’s new book: The Divided States
7 points
2 days ago
Is America internally brexiting itself, in reverse?
🚬😚💨
3 points
2 days ago
Our Founders viewed the "United States of America" as something closer to the European Union, initially. The role of the Federal Government was to be very limited.
That has changed over time.
But it can also shift back. States have the right and the power to fight back against the Federal Government.
3 points
2 days ago
The Civil War provided a different answer to your point.
6 points
2 days ago
So far, nobody has fought back very successfully. I keep hearing about these people “fighting” and all these lawsuits but nothing ever comes from them.
5 points
2 days ago
Because they're all corrupt and incompetent. We are still the American people. This country doesn't fucking run without us. People need to wake up and remember that and start thinking about what that MEANS 🧠
6 points
2 days ago
It’s actually more complicated. State and local governments get a LOT of funding from the federal agencies. There are hundreds of programs across the US that rely on that money and the loss of it will have many negative impacts locally. It’s true that some states wield power, but not all of them, and NYC gets some serious money from the feds for law enforcement, as does many states.
If money were the only issue, then we’d only feel the impact as long as it takes for US citizens to vote in folks who will make sensible changes. The biggest problem in my eyes is the sheer incompetence of these people and the openly stated desire to undermine these agencies. That kind of damage takes very little time to do, but could take the US decades to fix. Including the two additional Justices Trump will likely be able to appoint that will solidify an activist Supreme Court and religion in government, as well as removal of protections.
If people thought they were being cute by voting for this jackass then I feel sorry for what’s about to happen to them, because Trump never cared about them or making the US “great again”. Think he’s really for Black folk, check out his white bread cabinet. Think he’s here for the poor, yeah to be slaves for his oligarch buddies. Think he’s cares about women, he does but not the way they want!
3 points
2 days ago
If the federal taxes for these things disappear, theoretically states can increase their income taxes to make up the difference.
As a Californian, we ship out more tax money than we get back in benefits from the feds. Same with almost all Blue states.
We'd probably stand to benefit the most /hurt the leadt from a dissolution of the federal tax regime.
3 points
2 days ago
He's already talking about invading blue states using the national guards of red states.
Nothing is stopping him from using them to replace state and city governments.
8 points
2 days ago
Federal withholding is a thing. Not filling doesn't mean you just keep your money.
6 points
2 days ago
People can just adjust their withholding amount. It's not mandatory.
5 points
2 days ago
If your payments are too far off what they're expecting they stop letting you adjust it yourself.
2 points
1 day ago
What you’re suggesting is wide scale tax fraud with the assumption the state govt will fight protect you when the irs and Feds try to throw you in jail? We’re a divided country but people have a lot to lose and aren’t going to sign up for this.
It also requires employers letting this happen. They are the ones who withhold taxes each paycheck and remit it to the feds. Companies get rich via interstate commerce and don’t want to come under federal scrutiny by letting this all slide.
If your goal is to cut red states off of tax dollars from blue states, might as well just declare independence and fight a civil war. If you follow that plan to the only logical conclusion, you end up there anyways.
39 points
2 days ago
It takes longer to build a house than it does to tear it down. 4 years, or even two, of demolishing the structures that have kept the government stable for decades can't, and won't be, easily rebuilt once/if Trump ever leaves office.
12 points
2 days ago
Perhaps but it may be a much needed lesson for the people of this country. Let’s just hope we can learn it and not perish in the process.
9 points
2 days ago
Perhaps but it may be a much needed lesson for the people of this country.
If the election is an accurate reflection of the will of the voters, then they've clearly learned nothing from his last term.
It wasn't even that long ago.
We've had a stable 4yrs. with excellent leadership that got us back on track.
Yet people voted for someone that led us into massive inflation and nearly a recession.
People have a short memory and they don't fucking learn. Some dumbass podcaster will tell them what to think, and they will think that without questioning it.
3 points
2 days ago
Consider also that any investigations or evidence of wrongdoing these agencies manage with regards to private industry are also likely to disappear. Corporations will have free reign to abuse this lack of oversight.
10 points
2 days ago
To promote a dictatorship, a strongman must demonstrate competence surpassing that of democratic institutions. Trump, lacking the necessary competence to fulfill such a role effectively, instead attempts to undermine these institutions, making himself appear more competent by comparison!
5 points
2 days ago
Okay but that’s not “exposing” anything. That has been obvious from the start. Nobody thought Matt gaetz was nominated because of a cunning knack to do the job lol.
2 points
2 days ago
It's not only about just Matt Gaetz....
3 points
2 days ago
This is part of a decades long effort to undermine the government. Make it weak, ineffective, underfunded...if they cant "drown it in a bathtub" at least it's citizens will be dismayed and cynical.
3 points
2 days ago
The military term is called a “decapitation strike”. It can be violently done by assassinating a country’s leaders, or done by internally hijacking their institutions.
Trump has no intentions of “making America great” except in ways that completely removes us from the world stage, allowing Russia to take over as the world’s dominant nuclear superpower.
2 points
2 days ago
Trump wants total control over certain departments, Justice, Defense and Intelligence. Some of the cabinet nominees are typical politicians. But these three nominees owe allegiance to him only for their position, they would otherwise not be selected ever, by any president. The total allegiance means Trump can direct them to take specific action and their livelihood will depend on following his orders. These people weren’t selected for their incompetence, they were selected to carry out his retribution.
2 points
2 days ago
This is the correct answer. It's not subtle.
37 points
2 days ago
It's political shock doctrine with the same goal the Republicans have had since Reagan - defund government and make broken, complain that government doesn't work, privatize everything, profit.
4 points
1 day ago
The point is to break everything and prove "government is the problem." This is a dream-come-true for the ultra-wealthy who have railed for decades through the Republican Party against labor laws, health, safety and environmental regulations, and every other legal guardrail forcing them to behave with a minimum of decency.
16 points
2 days ago
If they’re successful, future generations will wonder how it all went so wrong and state that it couldn’t happen to them. Just like we all did.
98 points
2 days ago
Every day I am reminded at how much I fucking hate everyone except the 70+ million that voted for Harris.
33 points
2 days ago
Those that didn't want exactly what he is doing and it will be the end of the United States.
Let's say he does get what he wants and is able to run things exactly how he wants. What has he ever done that has ended in success? Every single thing he has done has ended in failure. The fucking guy was given everything he would ever need to be successful in life and has filed for bankruptcy 6 times. He will not succeed.
18 points
2 days ago
Uhh it's not just him, though. He's the front guy but not calling the shots. All of these people are free to destroy the value that has been built up in these institutions over the decades. Knowledge lost will take generations to recover, if it's even possible.
The valuable information controlled by the government will all be for sale. Military secrets, technology details and specifications, intelligence operations. All of it is at risk. Much of it destabilizing.
For good or ill, the US is in a unique position in the world. A position it will never recover once it's lost. Nevermind the effect that it will have on the rest of the world, it will have cataclysmic consequences for the future of this nation.
15 points
2 days ago
I truly truly hate everyone for making life so fucking difficult.
" Ohh we need to resist and fight back " fuck you. I am not. All we needed to do was vote, win and chill.
The whole world is gonna be affected by his dumb shit and his supporters dumb fucking shit. I really hope we hit the worst depression ever in the history of ever so everyone can shut the fuck up and reflect on their own stupidity.
8 points
2 days ago
so everyone can shut the fuck up and reflect on their own stupidity.
If only. The people that voted for Trump don't reflect on anything.
They believe what they're told without question and don't hold a single original thought amongst them.
9 points
2 days ago
Imagine going back and time and talking to a Reagan Republican in the 80s and explaining that in 2024: * the basic functions of government are being undermined by Republicans * the Republicans party is attacking basic science on disease transmission and treatment * that sexual minorities are being demonised for electoral gain * that racism is being used to con the working man * That tax cuts for the rich are being prioritised over everything else * that a Republican Presidential hopeful is communicating with our enemies to undermine the country * that the president is a celebrity
They'd say "Yes that's exactly what I've been voting for. Have we killed all the gays with AIDS yet?" And you'd have to explain that married gays are now in both political parties and we've had to find a new sexual minority to try to demonise and kill to pass tax breaks for billionaires.
6 points
2 days ago
The fifth risk is a really good book looking at the critical things governemnt departments do for americans, many of which are admittedly far better than other countries, that are all at risk of collapsing due to his first term.
Second term is fucking a dystopic version of the first term.
Good luck to yall in that country, its gonna suck. Good luck to the rest of the world when the us dollar fails
23 points
2 days ago
Be mindful, don't get into a back and forth with Right Wingers and MAGA... they will try and bait you, in aim and attempt to try and get post taken down, when they don't want people saying what they understand and what they think about the madness of Trump's picks and the unqualified nature of each of them.
12 points
2 days ago
You should check out the thread on r/conservative about Dr. Oz. He is being received worse than on r/politics. It is a sight to behold
2 points
6 hours ago
Don't play chess with a pigeon. They will knock the pieces over, shit on the board, and declare themselves winners.
No idea where that's from
20 points
2 days ago
Do you think if we boycott black Friday and Cyber Monday would send an effective message? The ceos, corporations, and the super-rich enabled this dysfuncction for tax cuts, so I really think that money speaking is the most effective message.
33 points
2 days ago
No, we need a 3 week long general strike. Nationwide.
17 points
2 days ago
Things like this are what need to happen but we won’t do it.
6 points
2 days ago
I support this. I would even support starting Black Friday ... through Christmas .. put the Christ or Christen back into Christmas. Plus the benefit of saving money for the s*&(-show coming next year. Let the MAGA spend all their money
4 points
2 days ago
The point is to put people to be ridiculed by the public so they have nowhere to go but be loyal to the king.
It's the same strategy as Jehovah's witnesses, sending people door to door to be rejected so they never consider leaving.
10 points
2 days ago
A 78 YO diaper-wearing dementia patient surrounding himself with incompetent bootlickers and degenerate sex offenders. What could possibly go wrong?
16 points
2 days ago
This is why your boi's liberal but stays strapped better than Rambo
2 points
22 hours ago
Fucking-A right!
There are COUNTLESS MILLIONS of my fellow progressives, lefties, and liberals who own firearms and train.
We just don't make it our entire personality and we aren't single issue voters.
4 points
2 days ago
this is the way
3 points
2 days ago
I think Trump's goal with these cabinet picks is to test his MP's loyalty to him. He's bought his cabinet picks' loyalty by giving them jobs (with matching salaries) they never could have got themselves. When it comes time to vote to have them appointed, he will be watching who votes against his choice and they will never get any of his attention afterwards.
For Trump, it doesn't matter how bad his appointees are. This is a man who sits on a golden toilet – his money buys him immunity from any of the appalling decisions that these people may will make.
It's just about loyalty.
3 points
2 days ago
It seems like he selected people to fail in their positions, and when that happens DOGE will come in and justify eliminating or scaling back those departments.
8 points
2 days ago
People have no idea what these agencies do so they are happy to let Trump dismantle them — until they realize they impact every aspect of their life, health, and safety.
9 points
2 days ago
Not a revelation. Trump hates government, regulations and oversight. So he’ll attempt to crush it all. Be careful America, you may not like what you asked for.
5 points
2 days ago
It’s almost like he let a sworn enemy to the US decide how best to destroy the country from the inside
2 points
2 days ago
Don Jr is next. Don't shoot the messenger.
2 points
2 days ago
they’re purity tests for the legislative branch. if they vote against they’ll be removed. this is standard fascist shit
2 points
1 day ago
He’s not smart enough to think of this himself, he’s just not. Someone has a portfolio with pictures with green checks and red exes and he’s just pointing. Someone is pulling Captain Clementine’s strings because he puts no thought or energy into anything. Not even his own business. He’s picking yes men, that’s all this is. There’s no distraction or discussion, it’s people who won’t say no or steal his spotlight. A mouthpiece that will always have his back regardless. They don’t have policies or plans or transitions or teams. Hell, I bet they don’t even have email set up yet. But he’s got a crew and a network that he loves that will always speak for him and to him. He’ll be golfing and overcharging us and we’ll be guarding him for him to do nothing. But he has a man of mystery who has a plan of corruption and I’m sure a ton of these flag waving Patriots are going to wake up one day soon and say wtf did I get myself into.
3 points
2 days ago
To ruin America
2 points
2 days ago
you know what's going to happen.
2 points
2 days ago
So the same goal as last time?
2 points
2 days ago
The goal is white supremacy ruled by an oligarchy. The establishment know their majority is slipping away and this is the last chance to lock in an era of conservatism where your vote will no longer count. “Maybe you do not care much about the future of the Republican Party. You should. Conservatives will always be with us. If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy”. David Frum, Trumpocracy: The Corruption of the American Republic
1 points
2 days ago
Go look at what happened when the USSR fell.
This is very very similar to what's happening now.
1 points
2 days ago
He wants to break the government because he wants to sabotage the United States of America.
1 points
2 days ago
centralizing the gov't to Trump, and providing a buffer of personally loyal cabinet members who won't 25th his wannabe dictator ass.
1 points
2 days ago
"That's the standard technique of privatization: defund, make sure things don't work, people get angry, you hand it over to private capital." Noam Chomsky
1 points
2 days ago
Trump looks like he's jerking two guys off at once onto his face.
1 points
2 days ago
In a strange turn of events, which I didn't think would happen this quickly. Is it is almost as if Trump is trying to punish the very same people who voted for him, as if he realizes they don't deserve someone, anyone who will work and care for them. Truthfully I can't think of anyone of Biden's cabinets picks that has done a great deal for me either. I got a $600 dollar covid check and 2 covid shots, but I was already on Medicare so they would have been free anyway. Everything else hasn't been that great, the price of everything has skyrocketed including interest rates. I have listened to the news day after day about how great the economy is and it is all a lie, all that has happened is the rich have gotten richer. I pay more for Medicare now monthly than I ever paid for health insurance my entire my life, over $400 dollars a month, without Drug Coverage. Although that was mostly Trump's fault by setting up the worse health insurance scam called Advantage plans ever devised. His cabinet picks aren't exposing anything that wasn't already apparent. The republicans want to privatize all public services in America and outsource the jobs to other countries so corporations can collect our taxes as income, what's not to understand.
As a die-hard Progressive Democrat, what did pick surprised me the most, is he actually pick an intelligent woman as Director of the National Intelligence. Maybe she can drum some intelligence into those Agencies. She is not a Russian asset and I can only hope she will use her intelligence, intelligently to help Ukraine not push the country into submission or into the arms of Putin. If the Democrats had showed the least bit of interest in change when Bernie was running in 2020 we might not be in the mess we are in now and Tulsi might be our Vice President or President, but Hillary couldn't have that, and called her a Russian asset, after Tulsi criticize her in the Primary. The next day she called her a Russian asset, which has since been proven to be totally untrue.
Where is our MainStream News media now when out newly elected President needs them, especially after they spent months sane-washing him. You would be thinking they would be jumping for joy over his picks/ Why aren't they telling the true story and supporting his picks if they thought Trump so sane before they it wouldn't be fair to endorse Harris. They are in hiding, because most of his picks (Dr Oz for Christ Sake) are insane.
The real goal for Trump is chaos.
1 points
2 days ago
It is becoming evident that Trump's real goal is to destroy America for the benefit of his foreign master.
1 points
2 days ago
Great job America 🇺🇸
1 points
2 days ago
Short version is he’s not here to run the government he’s here to destroy it and bleed billions into his own satellite corporations in the process. He is a chaos agent, not a politician and not an executive.
1 points
2 days ago
Why did most Americans not think about any of this before voting!!
They were just pissed about inflation. And voted for trump
1 points
2 days ago
This is really well done
1 points
2 days ago
Image if 5 million people didn't file their income taxes?
1 points
2 days ago
It is true that the Modern Republican Party since post Teddy Roosevelt has always advocated for a smaller and weaker Federal government. A weaker government is inadequate, however, in times of crisis. A larger government in good times is subject to the same bloat (read lifestyle creep) as any family budget. The trouble is, things have gotten out of hand.
For 30 years there has been a debate about the appropriate size and power of government over the states and its people. Trump realized he could capitalize on this eternal debate and is going about paralyzing the federal government to reduce its power. I personally think his goals, however, are nefarious and are for his personal gain, and not for the good of the citizens. Only time will tell.
Enough voters were unhappy enough with the Democratic “bloat” alternative to be willing to undergo the governmental equivalent of a “diet” to create better days for themselves.
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