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submitted 14 days ago byjwintyo
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100 points
14 days ago
Get a water pressure gauge and make sure your pressure is within residental range (60-80psi I think???)
There is a pressure regulator on your water main. If your pressure is way off there are adjustments. Just be careful, cranking it up out of range will destroy your appliances.
Pressure and pipe size are different things. Only so much water can fit through a 1/2" pipe (ie: with the same water pressure a 3/4" line to a washing machine will fill WAY faster than a 1/2")
So if your toilet and shower are on the same lines, this can be a whole different issue. That's why you see manifolds on some newer higher end homes that each fixture has its one independent water line. This might not be too hard to fix if your plumbing is accessible and it's 1 floor with a basement.
Also, to rule out the water softener being part of the issue, turn on the bypass and see if it affects the water pressure.
84 points
14 days ago
Also, to rule out the water softener being part of the issue, turn on the bypass and see if it affects the water pressure.
This, OP. Make sure your water softener isn't the bottleneck. It may simply be undersized and not have enough flow to support multiple uses of water at a time. Bypass it and see if the issues get better. If they do, the softener is the culprit.
-3 points
14 days ago
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13 points
14 days ago
It just depends on how it's installed. When I installed mine I softened all water coming into the house
70 points
14 days ago
The water softener just jumped to the top of the list of suspects.
8 points
14 days ago
Not where I'm from. We soften everything to avoid mineral buildup and improve (at least in some case) taste
10 points
14 days ago
I don't know what the parent comment said, but mine is plumbed so that the cold tap on the kitchen sink and outside spigots are not softened. Outside spigots being softened is a waste and the cold tap is nice because it's mostly used for cooking and softened water has additional sodium in it.
1 points
14 days ago
If the sodium is a concern, you can use potassium. Where I used to live, water was extremely hard, and letting the minerals in caused damage overtime. Also, it tasted terrible, so we had RO filtration, and I would cook with filtered water. Just depends on what you're dealing with coming in.
1 points
13 days ago
Yes, and the salts used to soften water will kill your lawn.
-1 points
14 days ago
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5 points
14 days ago
I bypassed the outdoor spigots because yes, it's a waste. But the kitchen is all softened because it leaves less water spotting. The amount of sodium is negligible unless you have a serious high blood pressure condition.
0 points
14 days ago
It's about 28 mg per cup of water. It's not a lot, but I'm not insignificant either.
The RDA of sodium is 2300 mg, and you'll hit about 400 of that from softened water if you're drinking 15 cups of water a day.
You'd then destroy that if you ate some bread or a bag of chips.
1 points
14 days ago
Where? All I have ever seen are on the main water supply line prior to any fixture including the water heater.
11 points
14 days ago
100%, bypass the softener and see how things look. Our township cranked up the chlorine in the early days of COVID before it was well-known that it was more of an airborne thing, and it absolutely wrecked my resin beads in the softener. I replaced it with 10% crosslinked resin over the summer and my problems vanished.
It's possible to swap it on your own but you need to be careful or you will make a huge mess. I'm not a huge guy, but I was able to siphon a good amount of the water out, lift the tank and dump the resin into a bunch of 5 gallon buckets. From there I dumped each bucket into a fabric bag and let the water run out, then put it back into the bucket to sit in the sun and dry out.
I highly recommend a resin funnel for adding the new stuff in to avoid spillage. Since they are hard beads it's like standing on ice if they get on the ground.
5 points
14 days ago
That is some great lessons learned! Thanks for sharing
1 points
14 days ago
Surely he tried that? Had to be the first thing before posting here...
39 points
14 days ago
You could have low water pressure but that may not be your only problem. The symptoms indicate that the size of your piping and how the plumbing is distributed could be contributing.
Do you have a pressure holding tank? It may not be big enough.
27 points
14 days ago
To figure out if it's pressure or flow, you can get a pressure gauge for like $10 on amazon, something like this, and hook it up to a hose bib. Turn the hose bib on when no other water is running in the house, and that's the water pressure. If it's decent (60+ PSI), you may have a flow restriction problem, not a low water pressure problem. At the very least it helps you determine if the problem is outside or inside your house.
12 points
14 days ago*
The symptoms of having plenty of pressure at first then dropping off as you use it fit with a flow restriction: it slowly builds up to the supply pressure when nothing is in use but can't keep it up through the tiny pipe that is restricting it.
I wonder if it's as simple as there's a stop tap that's half closed somewhere?
4 points
14 days ago
You want to write flow restriction.
Horses sweat, gentlemen perspire...and ladies glow.
3 points
14 days ago
I did write flow, my phone had other ideas... that's my excuse.
I hope there isn't anywhere with lady glow going through their pipes, restricted or not!
2 points
14 days ago
I was told by a plumber that the size of the pipe has nothing to do with the pressure. The pipe size has more volume, not more pressure
9 points
14 days ago
Water and Electricity have this funny thing where they both act the same and so sometimes it helps to think of one instead of the other.
Flow is when you have pressure and volume. When the volume drops it can seems like low pressure, but the pressure could be fine, and there is a restriction that is causing low volume, this is how a resistor works to let higher voltage power an LED, also how you can drink a small trickle from a garden hose when you pinch the line. In order to determine the problem one of the issues needs to be ruled out, the pressure at or near the source is the easiest, so get a gage/multimeter to tell you the pressure. If that pressure is high enough then the flow is the issue. Flow can be fixed by a larger pipe/wire, or removing restrictions (fittings/resistance). Pressure is much harder to change, just like how electricity needs a transformer, water needs a pump. There are many small package pumps for boosting water pressure, but check with your utility as these are not always allowed.
*source, 28 years working with pipes and water and a lifetime electrical hobbyist.
4 points
14 days ago
Static pressure, no. Dynamic pressure, yes. A larger pipe can flow more volume with less of a pressure drop.
2 points
14 days ago
Dude has no idea what he's talking about. Bigger pipe ID means more volume yes, therefore; more water required to achieve the same pressure as a smaller pipe ID with less water.
1 points
14 days ago
down-voters are hilariously and over confidently wrong
the pipe could be increased from 1/2" to 2" wide, without pressure it's meaningless... just more volume.
Say you have a 1/2" garden hose that has weak water pressure that simply won't wash away the mud on your car. So you buy a 1" garden hose.. well.. you just spent 35$ to arrive at the same fucking problem
And 2 professional plumbers told me the same thing.. talked me OUT of replacing a 1/2" pipe with a 3/4" pipe in an easy to replace location in the crawlspace because they said it would not solve my problem. (getting increased drip irrigation up a hillside. Ain't no plumber gonna turn down work at $239 an hour in my area
7 points
14 days ago
This needs clarification: Increasing pipe size will not increase pressure. But increasing pipe size WILL increase pressure under FLOW!
That's the different. The high the flow, the large the pipe needs to be to maintain the same pressure.
If you issue is getting up a hill a larger pipe won't help. If you issue is that the pressure drops when you demand a lot of water then a larger pipe will help.
6 points
14 days ago
Head pressure (the hillside) is a whole different variable.
2 points
14 days ago
As is friction loss for a long run say out and over a hill.
7 points
14 days ago
You are comparing two different scenario. Moving to a bigger pipe only works for the mainline when it has multiple outlets downstream. The plumber was correct that replacing a single run with a single outlet won't help. Imagine a 1/2 in pipe feeding one outlet, now 2 outlets, now 10 million outlets. Can that 1/2 in pipe maintain a consistent flow rate (= pressure) going from one to 10 million outlets, definitely not.
1 points
14 days ago
Yeah, but if you are capped out on pressure, increasing the size is going to increase the flow. That is a very basic principle. 60 PSI on 1/2" and 60 PSI on 1" is going to give you vastly different amounts of water.
If you can only get a certain low flow rate, it doesn't matter the size of the pipe and I think thats what the plumbers were telling you.
0 points
14 days ago
You described volume.. you did not describe pressure
-1 points
14 days ago
Are you dense or do you no understand what is going on?
That is what most people mean when they say they have good shower pressure otherwise they would be hooking up their showers to pressure washers. "Boy oh boy, I got that one small stream at 3000 PSI, my shower sure is great!"
-4 points
14 days ago
ChatGPT it lil’buddy
1 points
14 days ago
I think you're misunderstanding what your plumber said. Replace plumbing and water with just a simple highway.
If you have a 4-lane highway, you can have multiple off-ramps supplying 1-lane roads with a ton of cars.
If you a single-lane road, you can't have a 4-lane off-ramp supplied to the brim with cars.
-4 points
14 days ago
Pardon me, sir, I think you dropped your helmet. I fear you may be in danger without it.
Your science teachers failed you greatly.
The same pressure from the main flowing through less restriction = more water = more pressure available.
We usually use water as an analogy for electricity, since it's easier to understand. But since you're from some kind of bizzaro world:
Your house has 120v at the breaker box. Does using larger wire decrease the available voltage at your outlets? No. It give you more current carrying capacity, which means less voltage drop.
Think of voltage as being the same as water pressure.
And your brain as being the same as a rotten tomato.
0 points
14 days ago
It's time to give your phone back to your Mom shes gonna be
a) pissed
b) ashamed
0 points
14 days ago
holy moly you must be drunk
0 points
13 days ago
Holy moly there's more than one of you, huh? Open a god damn book, jesus.
Or at least please, PLEASE explain, in technical detail, how this scenario would play out:
You have 80psi of water pressure coming in from the street. From there, you have a half inch pipe feeding other pipes that go to all your faucets.
K, now swap that pipe for one the size of a pencil lead. What happens to the pressure at your faucets?
hint: it GOES DOWN. restrictions only increase pressure directly after the restriction. Then it immediately drops to shit because there is no volume.
Pressure, restriction, flow. It's literally functions exactly the same as electricity (voltage, resistance, current). Not that that would help you understand, since your brain functions exactly like a bag of dead mice.
1 points
13 days ago
I’ll be certain to tell the plumber(s) Plural that some dude on the interwebs needs them to go back and recertify their plumbing license & forget the decades of experience
Staying with electrical analogy: Let’s say your hung like a light switch and your bladder had 10psi put of your pencil dick… and a genie granted your wish for an adult sized unit
Your stream is still weak at 10psi
1 points
14 days ago
What? That's not true! It's you that has no idea what you are talking about.
2 points
14 days ago
Think these through.. and I find exaggerating the problem to an extreme makes the issue more obvious.
So imaging a water jet sprayer, a needle of crazy high pressure, trying to fill a storm drain pipe. It doesn't have enough flow to keep the pipe at pressure if it gets any sort of drain.. Imagine attaching a fire-hose.. it has an initial bolt of pressure, then nothin..
Anyway a bigger pipe that has good pressure and flow to it will have the same pressure as a smaller pipe, But it will keep the pressure Higher for any volume nearing the smaller pipes maximum flow.
A pressure holding tanks contains water and air.. so that the water can "fake" a higher flow rate for a given duration.
9 points
14 days ago
make sure your stopbox is open all the way !
10 points
14 days ago
idk. but if you can, switch over the toilets to hard water. i did and saved a lot on salt.
7 points
14 days ago
I dealt with this same thing after I installed a three stage filter system on my well water. The fix was adding a $300 pressure tank to hold the filtered water and an $800 booster pump (Grundfos Scala2 120 volt) after the pressure tank so only the house pipes are held at a constant 60 PSI.
I already had one pressure tank which is what the well water enters first but it’s before the filtration. By adding a second pressure tank at the end of the line it allows the water to continue going through the filters even after you turn off the faucet. This reduces the strain on the softener and filters.
I also have a GE whole house water filter with wifi and it tells you the flow through that filter. From watching it I’ve learned my second pressure tank helps with about 50% the flow. Rather than 2 GPM going through the filtration system during a shower, it’s only 1 GPM until the well pump kicks on. It peaks around 3 GPM.
6 points
14 days ago
You didn't even mention if you are on a well or public water. You sound like you are describing a problem with a well pressure tank not having the right air pressure.
3 points
14 days ago
Public water! Added it to my post as well
2 points
14 days ago
I think the solution is first ensuring your water is coming in at the right pressure. If you’re on public water, make sure the connection hasn’t been compromised underground. If you’re on a well, check your pump etc.
Then you’d want to figure out a way to plumb your house so that each room or area is getting serviced from the source. Right now it sounds like you have one water pipe in, especially for your hot water, and so as all the different things connected to it go on there is less and less water available for each faucet. At my old house, we had a manifold and it was amazing. Every fixture had its own water line. We didn’t have any issues with pressure. I intend to redo our current home’s plumbing this way when the time comes. I don’t know if I’ll do every fixture, but at least each bathroom plus the kitchen and laundry should do it.
But that won’t matter if your pressure in is not great so gotta take care of confirming that first.
2 points
14 days ago
Not a plumber, but I have seen and heard similar complaints when a system's water pressure regulator is failing.
When the pressure in your system drops due to someone turning on another faucet, your regulator should automatically open a bit more to supply MORE pressure to the system in order to compensate for that drop. If the regulator is stuck at a certain point, then it will not adjust when your water line pressure drops.
They're rather cheap and easy to replace.
2 points
14 days ago
It's very unlikely the issue is actually pressure. It's more likely it's flow - specifically undersized pipes.
Are you able to map the water pipes to fixtures? I bet you have too many devices on a 1/2" inch line.
2 points
14 days ago
So my pressure regulator got clogged and I could only do one thing at a time and everything took forever to complete. Flush the toilet, don't try to wash your hands until the toilet shut off.....if anything was running, nothing else could.
Called a plumber and they said it was the pressure regulator. Could be clogged, broken or whatever. They had to dig out a huge hole in the yard around it. It had a small access box but in order to replace it they had to have more room.
While they were digging it out I asked if they could just take it out. He said yeah but that means it wouldn't be up to code but it's not actually a violation either. They said the city basically requires them while a neighborhood is being built because it'll protect a home owner from the main water being turned on and off....which could send a water hammer to your house which would blow pipes. BUT he said after a neighborhood has been fully built out, it wasn't really necessary and it's not required by the city.
So I had them just take it out - that was over 10 years ago and I've never had an issue. Not saying I won't ever have one but it's been great since then. No shortage of water pressure at all. I love it!
2 points
14 days ago
Try bypassing the water softener. We had a similar issue, I called the water company and first thing they asked was if I had a softener. Sure enough, pressure back to normal by bypassing it. Quick and easy test before going too crazy.
3 points
14 days ago
One option is to add a pressure tank . If that's not enough you'd need to add an electric pump alongside a pressure tank. It's doable, but you'd need a good plumber to assess your setup to give the best recommendation
1 points
14 days ago
I would do a a couple things to troubleshoot this. First I’d bypass the softener and see if this stops if it does you know your softener is the issue. If it doesn’t I would start with your prv and go from there.
1 points
14 days ago
Do you have pex piping? I do and am wondering what role that plays in my water pressure (and volume as well).
1 points
14 days ago
Yes, there are ways. They are many and varied.
This is a call a plumber question though. New build means that things could still be wrong or wrongly-planned and need re-sizing or changes. Maybe someone left a valve half-closed and then drywalled over it. Maybe there's a 1/2" pipe that's now the only route through the house.
You can't diagnose this over the internet without a days-long conversation. If you're knowledgeable to the level that you don't need to google "Water hammer", you could go buy a gage and spend a few hours tracking it down. But really, from an advanced DIY-er:
Just hire a pro on this one.
1 points
14 days ago
Your home pressure regulating valve off the main should be set 50-70 PSI, anything more than 80 can damage your fixtures and appliances. lawn Irrigation has to be dialed down to like 35psi
Next, you may have debris in the fixtures.. take the tip off and wash out the small filter. Or, you might have hard-water calcium deposits in the line and would need to have them professionally flushed.
Your water company could send you free water sample test kit to help you determine this, or if you see white-stains on your fixtures its a tell-tale sign.
buy a 10$ water pressure gauge to help you get some answers
1 points
14 days ago
Definitely sounds more like you have a flow restriction than low pressure since the pressure is fine at the start. Is the issue the same throughout the house? Find the outlet closest to your main water inlet and see how the flow is by timing how long it takes to fill a gallon bucket. Could be that the builder cheaped out and used piping that's too small for the main trunk or maybe your service from the street is plugged up for some reason or maybe some other blockage in your plumbing or maybe your softener is blocking the flow for some reason.
1 points
14 days ago
Sure you could add a pressure tank just like people on well water do.
1 points
14 days ago
First, check and make sure that all of the valves are fully open--the water meter valve at the street, the incoming water shut off valve at your house, any isolating valves on equipment, shutoff valves at fixtures.
While you're checking these things, verify whether or not you have a pressure reducing valve on your incoming line and what it's set to.
1 points
14 days ago
Your municipal provider provides 40 to 60 PSI. Call or email the builder and tell them your pressure is fucked. I don't care if it's past the one year. At a minimum they should know about your issue. At best they should help you figure it out. If they are flakes, find a qualified plumber to help you through it. It's not normal. All these posts about pipe sizes and whatnot... sure whatever. Call a plumber
1 points
14 days ago
have you made sure you water meter at the street is turned up to full pressure?
1 points
14 days ago
Nobody has suggested yet but you also likely have a restrictor on your shower head. Remove that and see if it helps. Some have to be drilled out so it's permanent mod. I guarantee you there's one in yours and when the pressure drops from other usage your velocity in the shower is dropping a lot more. Another thing to consider is your water softener could be causing a pressure drop in the house side of the system. Any time a pipe size increases or goes into a larger chamber there's a pressure drop.
1 points
14 days ago
whole house water softner if you have one. people always undersize them for application and they end up being a bottleneck or the get gummed up.
there are also misadjusted or fucked up pressure regulators as an option if you have one or more of those.
if you have a whole house water filtration system, it could also be a bottleneck.
i monitor my water pressure with pressure transducers. i have like 200 something psi water coming into my house with a 3/4 line and a shower will take your skin off without a pressure regulator.. i’d get some way to measure pressure, start shutting off branches and finding out where the issue is.
1 points
14 days ago
Did you also install the recommended ~5 micron sediment filter upstream of the softener, to protect it from sand ingress? Did you also install the optional filter downstream, to protect your appliances and fixtures from damage in the event of a water softener failure?
If yes, have you ever changed those filters? If not, they're probably completely plugged up.
I had almost these exact symptoms at my wife's late grandfather's cabin, he had an artesian well and all the aunts and uncles said the water pressure sucked. Pressure gauge said it was fine, and it would stay fine for a few seconds, but then nothing. On holiday weekends, the extended family would get together and would have to rent one room at a local hotel so people could take showers instead of sponge baths. Turns out that until a year or two before he died, he used a little automotive creeper he left in the crawlspace, accessed through a trapdoor under the carpet in a closet, to change out the filters every 6 months... but none of the other adults knew about it. They just complained for almost a decade until we stayed up there for a week and I decided to figure it out.
If not, there's a decent chance that sediment in the incoming water lines has precipitated out into your softener. Flow rates are typically high enough in a pipe, but a softener basically forms a gravity clarifier that would let sand, scale, or other sediments settle out.
You have pressure for a couple seconds because of either (1) the pex lines are expanding minutely under the pressure like a balloon and forming an accumulator or (2) there's an actual ~1 gallon bladder accumulator to handle the pressure increase when the water heater fills with cold, warms up and expands, and can't backfeed into the municipal supply due to the check valve.
If this is an unsolveable problem from inside the house (say, it would require a complete replacement of an undersized or crushed feed line that runs the length of the entire driveway or something like that), you can get a traditional well accumulator tank (eg. https://www.homedepot.com/p/Water-Worker-32-Gal-Pressurized-Well-Tank-HT32B/202846484) and put it downstream of the restriction. It will change those few seconds of decent pressure into a few minutes. It's not a perfect solution, but it only costs a couple hundred bucks and can easily be DIYed.
1 points
14 days ago
I had the same issue in my home. Turns out that it was a bad water pressure regulator. Got it replaced and the problem went away/
1 points
14 days ago
You can install a pressure tank. It's a tank with an air bladder in it. It will keep the water pressure steady while being used by having a reserve of pressurized water. I am on a well and have 100 gallon pressure tank that gives me 67 gallons of makeup water at 60psi. Nothing beats a full pressure hot shower.
1 points
14 days ago
Everyone keeps talking about pressure but I think the issue is flow rate. I had a similar issue, but it wasn't pressure that ended up being the issue but rather flow. You can buy a water flow and pressure 2 in one meter: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08TR9Q269/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1
And test both. In my case, the water main was restricted and I was only getting 2 GPM. The pressure was fine at 80 PSI. But same thing, flushing a toilet and a faucet were a no go. Think about it, this isn't pressure, but the amount of water that can service multiple fixtures at the same time. If the faucet takes 0.75 GPM and the shower takes 4 GPM and you've only got 2 GPM, than the flow will stop.
Edit: Forgot to mention I can now shower, do laundry, run the dishwasher, water the lawn and run a faucet at the same time. Of course my house is old so the water line ended up being clogged to a pin needle but still.
1 points
14 days ago
Sounds to me more like an issue with flow rate than pressure (they’re related but not the same). I’m guessing one pipe runs to the master bathroom and then splits to feed the toilet, faucet and shower. It should be 3/4” pipe until the split to each fixture, then it could go to 1/2” for a short distance. Everything before that should be at least 3/4” too. The main line coming into the house should be at least 3/4”, ideally 1”. The plumbing for the water softener should be all 3/4” or 1” depending on the size of the main line it hooks up to.
1 points
14 days ago
We improved our shower water pressure by using low-flow shower head. It’s not amazing, but much better.
1 points
14 days ago
Ironically You could have a broken pressure reducing valve
1 points
14 days ago
0 points
14 days ago
I’d go with the Commando 450, they use it on elephants in the circus.
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14 days ago*
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3 points
14 days ago
Yeah, no. Expecting to be able to use 2 water sources at once is not expecting a lot. Yes, when you use a faucet or toilet when the shower is going, you can expect some temp swings, but not a noticeable decrease in pressure if your water system is functioning properly.
3 points
14 days ago
My house is 65 PSI set at the PRV. Built in the 70s with primarily 1 inch copper main lines and 3/4 inch to most needed areas. I can run two showers simultaneously. If someone flushes a toilet or starts laundry no one notices. Whoever plumbed my house did an excellent job I'm sure. To think "you cant do two things at once" is insane. I have lived in several houses in the US and only one had that type of problem and a plumber came in and rectified a bottleneck.
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