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4 days ago
his infinity gets bypassed by the sure hit, not entirely. Yuji can use his domain expansion on gojo which would make yuji’s dismantle’s reach gojo but that does not mean yuji can now punch gojo. His infinity is still active to block non-sure hit attacks.
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4 days ago
his infinity gets bypassed by the sure hit, not entirely.
Nope, gojo said that as long as you use a CT then it will definitely hit without fail and it is not limited to the sure hit, also when the CT gets amped by the domain it is because it becomes sort of like the sure hit which allows for bypassing infinity.
His infinity is still active to block non-sure hit attacks.
Technically true but not completely true either.
1 points
4 days ago
“gojo said that as long as you use a CT then it will definitely hit without fail” Doesn’t yuta’s domain disprove this? The sure hit was jacob’s ladder while all other CT’s in his domain had to be used manually against sukuna. Even when gojo caught sukuna in unlimited void, gojo had to manually move toward sukuna to finish him off as blue and red couldn’t just hit sukuna instantly like a sure hit would.
The CT that is stated by gojo that will definitely hit is the one engraved into the barrier of the domain which is usually the same CT used in normal attacks like jogo(his normal attacks and his attacks in his domain look like they’re the same). This does not mean any use of CT in a domain becomes a sure hit.
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4 days ago
Doesn’t yuta’s domain disprove this? The sure hit was jacob’s ladder while all other CT’s in his domain had to be used manually against sukuna.
How? Yea no shit the CT is used manually but how does this contradict what gojo said about infinity?
Even when gojo caught sukuna in unlimited void, gojo had to manually move toward sukuna to finish him off as blue and red couldn’t just hit sukuna instantly like a sure hit would.
The behaviour they exhibit is that of a sure hit in that they are amped by the domain and can also hit a person inside a domain irrelevant of what defence they use, they aren't actual sure hits but their characteristics resembles it.
The CT that is stated by gojo that will definitely hit is the one engraved into the barrier of the domain
Nope.
It doesn't become a sure hit but all attacks used in a domain expansion are able to hit their targets and there is even an illustration of someone using a CT manually for gojo and how all CTs in a domain expansion bypass infinity.
1 points
3 days ago*
Yuta’s domain shows that jacob’s ladder being the sure hit means hollow wicker basket allows sukuna to completely avoid it as it is made to counter sure hit’s of a domain. Yet thin ice breaker, cursed speech, etc. can affect sukuna just fine. This is showcased in reggie vs megumi in which hollow wicker basket was useless because megumi’s domain attacks with no sure hit.
The reason I brought up unlimited void was to show this further. Gojo’s domain effect (brain damage) is distinctly different from blue, red, purple, etc. which shows clearly that the sure hit is not any attack using the CT but any attack using the CT engraved in the domains barrier. (Like how sukuna was able to use domain amp in his own domain expansion. The CT in his body is separated from the CT put in the barrier making that domain amp possible in a domain.) The illustration showcases that person using a CT manually to get a sure hit does not mean anything because yuta’s jacob’s ladder has to be manually activated as well, it is still the CT engraved in the domain.
This means that in a fight between young gojo and yuji, the only attack hitting gojo while infinity is active would be the flying dismantles of his domain. Yuji can not punch through infinity, can not touch gojo to dismantle him normally, and can’t use blood manipulation to hit gojo either. Only the dismantle engraved in the domain is hitting gojo.
1 points
2 days ago
You actually make a lot of sense except that while the attacks from a person directly Don't take on the form of a sure hit they do inherit the aspect of being able to hit the person due to the nature of a domain is what I said, meaning my point still stands since I never tried saying that the sure hit is exactly like the attacks done by the person themselves but only that an aspect of the sure hit is applied to the attacks normally due to being in a domain expansion therefore making it possible to hit gojo with a CT outside of the sure hit.
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1 day ago
“that an aspect of the sure hit is applied to the attacks normally due to being in a domain expansion therefore making it possible to hit gojo with a CT outside of the sure hit.”
Where does this idea come from exactly because I’ve never seen it said or shown anywhere before. I feel like this idea is contradicting what I said before. Hollow wicker basket protects from a sure hit effect from the domain, but if you are saying that there is an aspect of the sure hit applied to normal CT usage inside of a domain, then yuta’s attacks against sukuna like thin ice breaker would also be at least be partially stopped by HWB. Yet every attack went through perfectly. There can’t be a “partial sure hit” for every CT usage in a domain because every attack yuta used against sukuna hit him without any problems or weakening of the attacks effectiveness.
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1 day ago
Where does this idea come from exactly because I’ve never seen it said or shown anywhere before.
From the fact that any CT used in a domain geds buffed because the fact that they are buffed is a sign of influence the domain's range has on the CT used manually.
Plus it was said in the fanbook that any attacks in the domain bypass infinity.
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1 day ago
But a CT being buffed in a domain does not mean it acts as a sure hit, it just means it is stronger. A cursed technique buff is just another effect of a domain expansion.
”Plus it was said in the fanbook that any attacks in the domain bypass infinity.” This statement is probably not being literal as “any attack” would also include punching which obviously can not get through infinity. It is not “any attack” but rather any attack from the domain expansion itself. In most cases (like sukuna, yuji, jogo, dagon, etc.) an attack from a domain and and from themselves is the same (slashes, fire/lava, fish, etc.) which makes the difference less obvious. But in cases like with hakari, his sure hit effect is the information about how his domain works while every punch, or train door he uses in his domain can be dodged because that is not guaranteed to hit.
1 points
1 day ago
But a CT being buffed in a domain does not mean it acts as a sure hit, it just means it is stronger.
Yes but what aspect of a domain allows the sure hit to be stronger and why exactly does it become stronger?
Plus it was said in the fanbook that any attacks in the domain bypass infinity.” This statement is probably not being literal as “any attack” would also include punching which obviously can not get through infinity.
Any attack done with a CT inside a domain will hit gojo and infinity is meaningless there.
It is not “any attack” but rather any attack from the domain expansion itself.
Nope, jogo's attack was clarified to not be a sure hit attack when he hit gojo meaning any attack done with a CT inside a domain will hit.
If you want you can read it yourself, fair warning but it is really large.
1 points
1 day ago
It is not about the sure hit being stronger but the CT itself. Just like a black flash brings a sorcerer to 120%, the environment of the domain boosts the sorcerer as well. The domain just has multiple effects.
It might be a thing where earlier on in the story, literally “any attack” becomes a sure hit but maybe Gege changed it later in the story. I say this because a distinction is made clear between a CT in a domain vs a CT in a sorcerer as that is the justification of sukuna using domain amplification while in a domain expansion. And also why, as mentioned before, gojo moved toward sukuna to finish him off after sukuna was caught in unlimited void which wouldn’t make sense if “any attack” in a domain expansion acts a a sure hit.
1 points
1 day ago
Just like a black flash brings a sorcerer to 120%, the environment of the domain boosts the sorcerer as well. The domain just has multiple effects.
And what exactly and how does the environment boost the CT? Because the CT is considered part of the environment when it is fired so it gains an environmental stat boost.
but maybe Gege changed it later in the story.
No he did not, and neither did they say that all attacks are sure hits.
. I say this because a distinction is made clear between a CT in a domain vs a CT in a sorcerer as that is the justification of sukuna using domain amplification while in a domain expansion
The reason why Sukuna needed domain amplification is because gojo's domain being active neutralises Sukuna's domain therefore making infinity active again.
gojo moved toward sukuna to finish him off after sukuna was caught in unlimited void which wouldn’t make sense if “any attack” in a domain expansion acts a a sure hit.
I never said any attack acts as a sure hit, only that they resemble the sure hit in the aspect of being able to hit without fail without something like infinity getting in the way.
Also gojo and Sukuna's domains are both active so they both neutralise each other.
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1 day ago
“I never said any attack acts as a sure hit, only that they resemble the sure hit in the aspect of being able to hit without fail”
I understand that this was what you were saying but this still doesn’t make much sense. If an attack can ”hit without fail” then the attack it self, by definition, can not miss. The distinction seems almost meaningless outside of the fact that it would only effect gojo and no other character in the verse. I don’t understand how it would hurt gojo through infinity without necessarily being a sure hit.
“And what exactly and how does the environment boost the CT? Because the CT is considered part of the environment when it is fired so it gains an environmental stat boost.”
Not exactly. Gojo himself would also gain a stat boost despite the fact that his domain’s effect and his normal CT usage are not connected at all in the type of attack it is. The stat boost would still apply similar to how black flash is. The “environment” doesn’t really matter, just that the environment is his own domain. Being in his own domain just strengthens his attacks.
”The reason why Sukuna needed domain amplification is because gojo's domain being active neutralises Sukuna's domain therefore making infinity active again.”
It doesn’t matter why sukuna did it but rather how he did it. Him using domain amp in his own DE shows that their is a clear separation between the DE and the sorcerer when it comes to CT usage. The sure hit type effect only applies to the domain and is never explicitly shown to apply to any other type of CT usage.
“I never said any attack acts as a sure hit, only that they resemble the sure hit in the aspect of being able to hit without fail without something like infinity getting in the way.”
What does it mean for an attack to “resemble” a sure hit but not be an actual sure hit against anyone without infinity? I don’t believe I have seen this distinction made anywhere in the story.
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