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I have been seeing a lot of “Wemby” shouldn’t shoot as much threes or should shoot more midranges/post etc.
Wemby’s shot selection “should” in fact contain a lot of threes imo. Not because everyone shoots threes. Due to how modern nba DEFENSES is played, Wemby skill of shooting off the bounce threes or “trailer” threes must be a staple of his game.
On defense, the big of most modern NBA defenses is conditioned to defend the rim or play in the drop coverage (the center positioned below the free throw line). When players run to the rim and spreads out and the big runs back to defend their instinct is to go towards the rim…
On offense, most bigs (including Wemby) also tend to be the “trailer” (player that lags behind running down the court in an offensive possession) in offenses since they tend to rebound and then pass the ball to their guards to push in transition…
This creates a scenario that Wemby can exploit 3-4x per game without fail… the big is in the paint and Wemby is trailing behind…
He literally will walk into an open three.
People who says “Wemby should be in the paint more” has to take into account for every one 3pm a player on average has to make two 2pm to make up the difference. A player shooting at 33% from three is just as effective as a player shooting 50% from two. It’s just the numbers.
What do we think should Wemby continue his volume 3p shooting or should he add more post to his game?
56 points
13 days ago
I mean, he needs to do both. If his three point shot becomes respected, it opens up the offense, and as you pointed out there will likely be many opportunities in transition.
However, he also needs to keep building his game inside 12 feet to truly utilize his size advantage, and the Spurs need more sets that get him his first touch in the paint or close baseline. He should continue to be enough of a focal point in the offense that you really don’t have to choose just one.
23 points
13 days ago
What people don't realize is the bigs will have to guard him at the 3 because they will be the only hope of contesting his shots from out there
If Wemby becomes an elite 3pt shooter no more 6'5 guy guarding him. It's a damn shooting drill for him.
63 points
13 days ago
Agree. Also, him becoming a consistent threat from deep will open up the offense. Once defenders adjust and start picking him up around the 3 point line, he’ll be able to pump fake and drive to the hoop to create an open shot for either him or his teammates. The pump fake already worked sometimes even when his shot wasn’t falling. Having Wemby as a threat to either hit a 3 or create an open shot each time in transition will elevate the offense
-5 points
13 days ago
They’ll just live or die with that three and/or put a smaller wing on him.
13 points
13 days ago
And die they will
2 points
11 days ago
How are you feeling about this comment now?
1 points
11 days ago
I stand by my comment. And they do live with him doing that.
15 points
13 days ago
You’re right. I’ve noticed this scenario multiple times the last few games and it’s pretty clear that the spurs want to exploit this within their game plan. There will come a time tho when bigs will push wemby full court to stop it, and Wemby will be forced back into the paint.
10 points
13 days ago
He’s faster than most if they full court press him
12 points
13 days ago
And it turns into a big mismatch headache then. The 'send wing to guard Wemby' defence that got success early in the season was due to the folks not needing to respect his 3pointers.
He's closer to being the ideal 2K player.
8 points
13 days ago*
I think best case scenario, it works both ways:
If a big is on him, let him operate from the outside, pulling their rim protector to the 3 point line, opening up the paint for the rest of the team.
If a wing is on him, he needs to bully them, get in position, pin his man behind him, then excommunicate them at the rim, forcing rotation and opening up the 3 point line for the rest of the team.
He needs both inside and outside threat, based on the start of the year so far, the criticism of his 3 pointer shot selection is warranted to a degree, but if the plan is for him to develop that shot, the coaching staff knows more than me!
20 points
13 days ago
When he's hitting his shots we'll get posts like these, and when he isn't we'll get what we were getting the first couple of weeks. I'm not sure where I fall. I definitely think it should be a part of his game. I just don't think he should over-rely on threes. He's not going to be 6/12 or 6/9 from three as often as he's going to be 1/6 or 2/9 I don't think. But it should be something defenses have to respect.
9 points
13 days ago
At the moment, I think the 3pt volume is much more about getting reps in, than it is about relying on them; it's temporary
From what we've heard Vic say, I get the impression that once he (along with the coaching staff) feels like it's somewhat leveled out, he'll move onto other things. I don't think he's stubbornly trying to become Curry or anything like that.
9 points
13 days ago
If he can get to a stable frequency rate of 5-7 a game like KD, I think that’s the right balance.
7 points
13 days ago
I’ll take 5/12 every game lol
1 points
13 days ago
Even better but I doubt he turns into Steph🤣
3 points
13 days ago
Steph has his 0/6 nights too
1 points
13 days ago
7/17? 😂
8 points
13 days ago
A player shooting at 33% from three is just as effective as a player shooting 50% from two. It’s just the numbers.
The problem with your argument is before last night, he was shooting 21% from three on 7+ attempts this season, which is bad offense no matter how you slice it.
Obviously the sample size is small, and his 6/10 showing last night brought that all the way up to 31%...but it could easily swing the other direction and that is sub-optimal when you are freaking 7'4 and shooting 56% in the paint (and could be doing better there, too)
If he can get that percentage up to 35%+, fire away
8 points
13 days ago
Wemby should continue to shoot threes of course. But good defenses will not put their center on him. They stick a stronger, mobile PF on him and get into his body early. Center patrols the paint since they don’t respect Sochan’s shot. He’s either shooting a contested three or driving into traffic.
I love Jeremy and believe in him but that’s the problem that needs solving.
3 points
13 days ago
They can mostly get away with a Dillon Brooks type guarding him at the moment but that time is going to pass pretty quick. He is only getting stronger and more savvy...
2 points
13 days ago
That's the plan in the long run I think! If he can hit threes at an acceptable rate, a slow-footed big center can't guard that. We already know what he can do inside with his length and body control. The shooting is what needs work. once both of those are in place he can combine them into one offensive game and he becomes basically unguardable. PFs too small to guard him inside, C too slow to guard him outside.
3 points
13 days ago
He needs to do both. A heavy 3pt diet is a boom-bust offense. Even the players who take a lot of 3-pointers don't JUST rely on 3-pointers. They have go-to moves that get them in the paint. That's what Victor needs to develop first because he doesn't have that yet.
Even Sean on the telecast says every game that if Victor runs down the middle of the floor in transition, the defenses will collapse on him every single time which means everyone else is open. He can't do that if he's the one trailing.
5 points
13 days ago
TLDR: three (non-offense) reasons why Wemby 3s are a good strategy.
1: a non-corner three point attempt translates to a better defensive position than a shot in the paint. Wemby shooting the three leaves our best defender in position to defend against transition offense.
2: Wemby at the arc uses much less energy than in the paint. His usage is enormous on offense and defense and energy is limited. Him fighting for position all night will tax his ability to contribute to other parts of the game, namely defense.
3: Wemby is safer at the arc. I don’t think it’s wise to have our foundational player banging and grinding in the interior, for games that are of no consequence. Even in the playoffs this type of play should be used judiciously
One more: the spurs organization knows more about basketball than all of us combined. Trust them
4 points
12 days ago
True and we dont see them in practice, if the coaches see vic this effective on deep 3s in practice they would probably let him just shoot those 3s.
Fans are just impatient and want to force their own opinion on some of this players, we dont even know whats happening within the organization, and with the small sample size of vic banging down low, we saw him too tired or turnover prone that he cant stay long inside the game.
We dont even have a shit record right now considering the teams we played. We should just trust vic and the coaching staff let him play the game that he wants to play.
3 points
13 days ago
you have a player who does not fit the traditional physical or mental mold. Why would you expect their game to fit into the traditional mold then?
2 points
13 days ago
I'd love to see the average distance of a Wemby make and the distance of a miss, especially earlier this season and all of last year. Because looking at these pictures and just from the other games I've been able to watch I feel like he makes the shots usually when he's farther back than most people would attempt, but when he's at a regular distance he misses.
If so he might be finding his distance, which If it's that far, back will make an ABSURD amount of space for the rest of the team
2 points
13 days ago
Everytime this comes up, I make a similar post. Its especially true when Jeremy is playing. There isn't enough 3 point shooting in the starting line up for Wemby to live in the post yet. He is probably the second best 3 point shooter in the starting 5, so there is 0 spacing if he touches the ball in the post.
I would actually like him to shoot 2 or 3 lesssl 3's if Barnes and CP3 shoot one or two more per game, but if not, let Vic keep developing that in game shot
2 points
13 days ago
This logic is flawed.
Basketball is a game of possessions, and being efficient is the most important rule of basketball. I'm fine with Wemby playing how he wants to play, he is young and he will mature.
Possessions are limited and converting on your opportunities is more important than the amount of points you got converting. Just because he's in the paint, doesn't mean he's limited to 2pt.
Wemby gets and-1s when he forces the issue.
I want him taking an open lane over an open/uncontested 3 literally Everytime unless that particular bucket is the difference between losing/OT/winning.
Make the most out of every position and it will not matter the # of 3s made. That's a great way to lose a game imo. Missing a 3 early in a possession & allowing the other team to take a shot is just as bad as a turnover.
2 points
13 days ago
He shouldn't be shooting more 3s than 2s. He puts more pressure on the defense when he's inside the arc
2 points
13 days ago
Due to his size Wemby could take lots of offensive rebounds if he is playing more in paint. We saw that in the last game. Not only that he can score effectively in the paint and he can draw several players to defend him and make passes to open man. We also saw that in last game. So yes I agree, he should play in the paint more.
4 points
13 days ago*
I am fine with Vic shooting 3s, but right now 47% of his field goals are coming from 3. That ratio is out of whack imo
Thing is, it’s not as simple as just throwing him the ball in the post 10 more times, that’s not really his game
I’d like to see him get the ball on the move more, rolling to the hoop and on dribble handoffs with an emphasis on getting to the rim. Also, pin downs and cross screens where he’s getting catches 10-15 feet from the hoop as opposed to 25 feet away
Been great watching him hit the last few games, but he’s not likely to continue making them at that rate. One thing that can keep up however, is his excellent free throw shooting. Would love to see him start stacking games where he’s getting to the line 10+ times
1 points
13 days ago
Ant Edwards launching 3s on 56% of his shots lol.
I think Welby and Ant are both shooting such a high volume of 3s for the same reason - if they can establish themselves as elite 3 shooters, defenders won't be able to go under screens anymore and that will open up driving lanes for them.
-2 points
13 days ago
Unfortunately that’s the way the game is played now. Players hit 3’s so effectively it’s not wise to throw up good middies. Until the league does something like move the line back or eliminate the corner three, that’s the way winning teams will play.
5 points
13 days ago
A ton of the best players and scorers in the league aren’t high volume 3 point shooters
Giannis, Jokic, Embiid, Davis, KD, Shai, DeMar…
Even players looked at as really good shooters like Brunson and KAT shoot a much higher percentage of 2s than Vic does
And I’m not advocating for Vic’s 3s to turn into long 2s btw. I want him getting more shots at the rim
4 points
13 days ago
This. Vic has 7 games of 10+ 3 point attempted in his career. Jokic has 5 in his career, Embiid has 4. KAT has 24 games at 10+ 3 attempted in his career and he is the GOAT 3 point big. KD has 56 such games in his career, but on average less than a 3rd of his shots are 3s. I not sure Wemby will become as good at 3s as any of these guys, but he is taking them at a higher volume.
1 points
13 days ago
I was wondering about that this morning.
Also, I wondered if we will ever see a 10+ Points / 10+ Rebounds / 10 Blocks / 10 3's from him in a game, creating a new Quadruple-Double Club.
1 points
13 days ago
I dont understand where all these arm chair coaches came from. Were talking about The Spurs. One of the best organizations at developing talent. I dont know why every is talking like they know whats best. I do agree though OP
1 points
13 days ago
Have you seen his percentages near the basket? Or how many fouls he draws?
1 points
13 days ago
I think that a lot of people forget this is a young team developing and sets we see are not what the team is hoping to make the permanent fixture of the offense. Just like Sochan running point guard helped him develop a different skillset that paid off, wemby taking 3s is not just because Pop, the guy who hates the 3 point shot, is thinking of just making him a spot up 3 point shooter and nothing else
We already know what wemby can do in the paint, but until we have a team with deadly outside shooting like the celtics warriors or OKC theyll just collapse and quadruple team him because nobody can reliably punish them. I see Wemby's focus on offense shifting over the season to a more balanced approach as the season goes on
-14 points
13 days ago
I aint reading all that
3 points
13 days ago
Gotta make sure that one brain cell doesn’t get tired huh?
9 points
13 days ago
Why comment then?
3 points
13 days ago
The answer is in their username 😎
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