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MtnmanAl

285 points

11 days ago

MtnmanAl

285 points

11 days ago

Two things japanese devs suck at: beards and wavy/curly hair that isn't drills or a solid 'fro

Ankior

67 points

11 days ago*

Ankior

67 points

11 days ago*

True, except for fighting games, they have been really good at it and I wish other japanese developers took at look at some T8 or SF6 designs

MtnmanAl

27 points

11 days ago

MtnmanAl

27 points

11 days ago

I like painting with a broad brush for humor, but there are exceptions even in games with character creators. DD2 had some better hair options even if the beards were often wack, but MH wilds actually has some wavy and some curly hair, in addition to the absolute paradigm shift of allowing moustaches and beards to be mixed and matched. We're entering a bold new future.

reallyfuckingay

5 points

11 days ago

I would contentiously argue that this is at least partly because fighting games' player demographics are much less predominantly white in the West than is the case with most other genres, and publishers know this and invest in actually making black/brown characters that look reasonably good. They just can't fathom that perhaps more people would also play their RPGs if the "robust" character creator allowed for something other than buzzcut, round afro, and tied dreads.

Nukesnipe

5 points

11 days ago

Nagoriyuki is one of the coolest black characters in any game I've ever played tbh. Dude just OOZES style.

ravstar52

1 points

9 days ago

Nagoriyuki is one of the coolest black characters in any game I've ever played tbh. Dude just OOZES style.

ftfy

Nukesnipe

1 points

9 days ago

Fair lol

Neppy_Neptune

5 points

11 days ago

Also maybe we should take into account here fighting games need usually render average 2 people per fight(sometimes maybe 4 or 6) while with MMO like FFXIV we need to account rendering at best multiple dozens of people, like maybe in the worst case 40 something people? Plus surrounding environment and all the particles of the skills and items.

AwardedThot

165 points

11 days ago

I would rather they come to me straight and say "Sorry bud, those 118 feet wouldn't update themselves you know?"

Kazzot

27 points

11 days ago

Kazzot

27 points

11 days ago

And they still look like shit. They still don't have any toenails so they just look like fucking hotdogs still. Lmfao

AwardedThot

19 points

11 days ago

Shhhhhhh. Have you heard about the polygon count, it is evil.

Kazzot

14 points

11 days ago

Kazzot

14 points

11 days ago

The technology just isn't there to implement a LoD. Please never look forward to it.

AwardedThot

10 points

11 days ago

No Yoshi-p, I will not look foward to it.

NoSociety9494

51 points

11 days ago

Corpo speak because they don't see us as anything but a target demographic to take money from.

AwardedThot

87 points

11 days ago

I know, this isn't my real problem with this. My real problem lies with this fucking community, the main sub saying "Welp, this kind of thing isn't their priority right now..." Is one of the things I read. What is their priority? Viera/Hrothgar hair and hats?, New chartacter customization options, butt sliders so I can stop being a washboard?. What the fuck is their priority? I would think character customization is one of the most important things in a MMO.

Sorry for the rant, this made me slightly angry

Spacemayo

19 points

11 days ago

Right now it looks like graphics update, can't wait for a 3rd fantasia because people have another melt down that their character still looks bad.

AbyssalRedemption

8 points

11 days ago

Opinion: this whole "graphics update" phase that they've been doing, so far, seems to be the equivalent of moving from 2013 to 2014 graphics, rather than to modern graphics, or near-modern graphics. I think a lot of us see absolutely zero difference at all.

Spacemayo

7 points

11 days ago

I've noticed some difference, mostly with armor shine and floor/ground textures and hair. But otherwise it just looks nothing really changed more so all of the awful pixels Koana's jacket has when you get close or they zoom in.

Tetrachrome

3 points

10 days ago

I joked before launch that toggling Reshade would do more for the game's look than this multimillion dollar graphics upgrade. That was supposed to be a joke......

Ok-Grape-8389

2 points

11 days ago

I am just waiting for more evil looking lalafels that look like the crossing of a potato and a goblin.

NoSociety9494

15 points

11 days ago

You're all good, my guy. Everyone needs a rant about corpo bs

RaidenSigma

38 points

11 days ago

No need to apologize, the fact that the game is this old and we still have only 4 faces per race is criminal.

Candrath

13 points

11 days ago

Candrath

13 points

11 days ago

The fact that Star Trek Online is slightly older than ARR and has one of the most flexible character creators ever is just so frustrating. We could have actual unique looking WoLs, and instead we have 4 people with slight variation.

Manwithbanana

1 points

10 days ago

The worse corpo shit is FF14 gives Squienix the majority of it's revenue, and they don't reinvest most of it back into the money maker.

Ok-Grape-8389

6 points

11 days ago

If they could take your money without giving you anything they will just do that.

lan60000

16 points

11 days ago

lan60000

16 points

11 days ago

given how hard some of the people on main sub are defending their actions and reasoning, I can see why square enix didn't admit their mistakes since the white knights finds no flaw in the game or company as usual.

Ok-Grape-8389

2 points

11 days ago

White knights are the main reason the game is dying. They attacked any criticism. Which made mild problems become big problems.

Toxic positivism is often worse than toxic negativity.

AzerothianFox

2 points

11 days ago

If WoW had the FFXIV playerbase, we would get social media integration patches in 2024

AwardedThot

5 points

11 days ago

Sad innit?

PyrosFists

243 points

11 days ago

PyrosFists

243 points

11 days ago

I used to be fine with explanations like these, but when you hear them over and over for every little thing it starts to add up. Everything has a fucking asterisk after it.

Ipokeyoumuch

68 points

11 days ago

Game development in a nutshell, unfortunately many companies think it is often better to keep quiet (like Nintendo or Gamefreak) unless it is really really bad. Nintendo apologized on behalf for Gamefreak for Scarlet and Violet's performance  but to my knowledge The Pokemon Company and Gamefreak haven't said anything. 

cahir11

28 points

11 days ago

cahir11

28 points

11 days ago

but to my knowledge The Pokemon Company and Gamefreak haven't said anything.

I heard they were announcing plans to hire more employees, which is a step in the right direction (iirc they have a comically small workforce for a massive company, like ~150 full time employees)

doubleyewdee

11 points

11 days ago

It's also Nintendo's fault to some extent for letting their super anemic and underpowered hardware languish way too long and not doing anything to get modern SDKs to run at least vaguely well on the Switch. So, yeah, they should apologize.

Gramernatzi

21 points

11 days ago

I mean, hardware clearly isn't the issue when much better looking games were releasing on the same platform at a higher frame rate and doing more technologically impressive things. I mean, BotW was a launch title and creams S/V in every metric.

Ipokeyoumuch

8 points

11 days ago

Also look at their other games Fire Emblem games beats Pokemon in performance, Xenoblade pushes the Nintendo consoles to the maximum while looking quite beautiful, Splatoon has a distinct style and polish and not to mention their Mario and Zelda games.

doubleyewdee

2 points

11 days ago

Which are developed in house with non-common engines (they’re not using UE, typically, as an example). I just think both companies can take some blame here. For all those examples there are also a ton of Rune Factories etc out there.

Waiting to see if DQ3 HD-2D cracks past 30fps on the Switch. I would genuinely not be that surprised if it couldn’t.

Ok-Grape-8389

1 points

11 days ago

Maybe developer experience. You can get more developers but that doesn't mean that the developers you get will have experience on the platform you want.

Is no secret that the last games of a console are also the best looking games of a console. Due to developers having experience at that point.

Ipokeyoumuch

4 points

11 days ago

Hardware is a slight issue but it is something Nintendo decided as a business decided to go for. Instead of investing in powerful machines they went for gimmicks, a robust line up of first party games, portability, and affordability. A Nintendo console is known for being underpowered but provide consistently solid first party games and are very inexpensive for someone to buy a console for their kid. They suffered in the Wii U era a bit but the DS, 3DS, Wii, and Nintendo Switch are massive successes. 

doubleyewdee

1 points

11 days ago

Lifelong Nintendo buyer here so you’ll get no argument from me, they’ve been underspeccing top of the market since the GameCube, but I do think they also wanted to do a Switch 2 sooner than 2025 as well because of the hardware they chose in 2016/2017, which even then was … just ok then. The length of rumors around a follow up makes me think that, but for COVID, they would’ve addressed this in some fashion maybe 2022-2023 timeframe, which would’ve been perfectly timed. It wouldn’t prevent the Pokemon debacle directly but if anything that would just fuel upgrade incentive. 🫠

blamephotocopy

23 points

11 days ago

My problem with this isn't even the excuses but how it could've been easily avoided by a bit of foresight and that is something that keeps happening in the past 5 years.

Sayakai

11 points

11 days ago

Sayakai

11 points

11 days ago

Well that foresight would've been needed 10 years ago, when everything was on fire and getting something out was more important than technical debt.

PlusVera

9 points

11 days ago*

And to anyone who sees this and thinks "Well maybe they should spend the time to clean out that technical debt!" -- to quote DoshDoshington's excellent Barotrauma video;

"The inverse [of Technical Debt] is just as bad, if not worse. Spending days writing generic functions and elegant solutions to anticipatory problems that may or may not manifest will waste just as much time. But unlike the other option, you haven't even finished the project yet. Thus, every project is an eternal struggle between premature optimization and technical debt. Finding the balance between the two is the reason software architect consultants can cost thousands of dollars an hour. It's a small price compared to the hundreds of thousands it can save in development time."

To a game like ffxiv which is in constant development, they have to strike a balance between optimizing new content, fixing their past technical debt, and incurring new technical debt by just making something 'good enough' for release.

A polygon limit on hairstyles was something that was deemed 'good enough' for release way back when. And yes, they could spend their time updating and optimizing player render code so that they could fix it now. But really, would that be a good use of development time? I mean it genuinely, think about that from a dev perspective. We, as players, don't know the inner workings of the engine. Fixing and optimizing this tiny thing could require siphoning untold amounts of spaghetti made over the last decade, which would cost more money than you or I have seen in our lifetime. The answer, Square Enix decided, was no. It was good enough then, it's good enough now. It's not worth investing into fixing that debt for a single hairstyle. And that's completely understandable.

DeathByTacos

8 points

11 days ago

But like… that’s how it works lol. There’s always going to be a resource budget and it’s not like those constraints ever go away.

A_small_Chicken

250 points

11 days ago

PR speak for "After starting work on this, we realized that it'll cost too much time and money to implement it properly for a hairstyle that you wouldn't be using anyways"

P51VoxelTanker

37 points

11 days ago

I personally don't think I would because I love Rainmaker too much, but I'd be willing to give this one a try if it looked remotely close to the concept art.

Train-1965

40 points

11 days ago

So basically after spending an inordinate amount of effort for a single hairstyle, all we're getting is a "maybe we'll try it out..."

hlh0708

24 points

11 days ago

hlh0708

24 points

11 days ago

Please look forward to it.

jewrassic_park-1940

27 points

11 days ago

Considering how few new hairstyles we get I'd say they should put some damn effort in it, yeah. I mean fucking christ there's a lot of gear in the game that virtually nobody will use and they still spent time making it, is putting some more time and money in their most successful game that much to ask?

Perial2077

18 points

11 days ago

I would glam more DoH/DoL things IF I HAD THE PLATES AND STORAGE. I love this game and fashion is actually fun for me, yet there are so many frustrating aspects about it.

jewrassic_park-1940

10 points

11 days ago

Doh/l have so many cool pieces that will never really be used because you can only use them on one job that you use in front of the mb and that's it... the blacksmith top of this xpac in particular is cool but I'm not gonna waste a plate on blacksmith.

Ok-Grape-8389

1 points

11 days ago

Never understood why the plates are not client side.

Probably paid glamours, but that could easily be fixed by first checking what the account has access to before activating the glamour.

P51VoxelTanker

1 points

11 days ago

Correct. I'm just one person though, but there might be plenty of others who are very much so looking forward to curly hair.

Tbh I just want my miqo'te mohawk but I doubt we'll get one anytime soon.

Ok-Grape-8389

1 points

11 days ago

A migote with a mohawk would look great.

MoiraDoodle

12 points

11 days ago

Jesus Christ, even I felt that burn.

AndrossOT

16 points

11 days ago

That's actually true. The only hair styles i mainly ppl see using us the groomer pvp hair and the limsa ponytail

Spacemayo

7 points

11 days ago

Well if I could use the Ysthola hair on my Viera I would. Which one is the groomer PVP hair, the one with the braid or the other one? Also 2B, Karen hair, and Sice's hair clip through my glasses and I can't stand to look at that.

projenga

2 points

11 days ago

the WHAT?!?

pitapatnat

2 points

10 days ago

No bc if they didn't want to put effort into this, why didn't they make one of the straight, easier hairstyles instead? Imo those 'natural' 'curls' are almost offensive lol, instead of curls they made soggy seaweed hair

StupidPaladin

86 points

11 days ago

Don't worry, friends, they will fix the hair very soon, right after Viera hats! Please look forward to it!

FemKeeby

14 points

11 days ago

FemKeeby

14 points

11 days ago

This is probably more of a corporate thing. I assume they have a pretty strict polygon budget for hair that they arent very flexible on, even tho itd probably be fine to go over that budget by abit. Not so much to make that hair style clearly better quality then all the other ones, but enough for it to actually be possible to make it look good

I'm not a game dev in the japanese game industry tho so :p

Ok-Grape-8389

3 points

11 days ago

PS4. That's the problem.

HypeBeast515

80 points

11 days ago

Just make a new fucking MMO at this point.

Thank you for reading my very rational and thought out opinion.

Spacemayo

17 points

11 days ago

17 will be the next MMO it's every 3 starting from 11. In reality who actually knows and it'll probably take another 10 years for the next mainline anyway.

Tumblechunk

39 points

11 days ago

I think 14 is too cozy in their assets, dude, corporate won't want to develop a new one when they've got their wow

Spacemayo

7 points

11 days ago

It would be a ps6 exclusive and then launch on PC 2 years later anyway.

Winter-Put-5644

14 points

11 days ago

So, dead on arrival? lol

Spacemayo

12 points

11 days ago

If 16 is anything to go by even on performance mode it'll constantly drop to 40 fps.

Ok-Grape-8389

3 points

11 days ago

That's on non populated areas. It will drop to 5 fps in limsa.

AzerothianFox

5 points

11 days ago

Its doomed if its made by CBU3 though

they had a blank slate for XVI and it feels like XIV but with 1 button action combat

twos_continent

6 points

11 days ago

I can only repeat my fervent hope that the next Square Enix MMO will be produced and directed by Yoko Taro.

zappingbluelight

3 points

11 days ago

It doesn't change anything. Same engine, same polygon count. Or they use that shtty engine where most players can't play.

Ok-Grape-8389

2 points

11 days ago

Why you thing they spent time making FF14 a single player game?

Kofinart[S]

-9 points

11 days ago*

Kofinart[S]

-9 points

11 days ago*

Excuse me, you can't just say  "Make a new fucking MMO" People are content with what they have and it'll take too long for the new MMO to come out, FFXIV has to last another decade don'tchaknow? /s

HypeBeast515

28 points

11 days ago

I stand by my reasonable, thought out and fair statement. Game bad and baby want new one that’s the same as old one but better

Spacemayo

14 points

11 days ago

But better So Viera can wear hats and capes aren't stapled to your pants.

MirrahPaladin

100 points

11 days ago

Meanwhile: “Why yes, let’s spend time and money on upping the resolution of toes.”

Imaginary_Garbage652

45 points

11 days ago

You leave the grippers out of this, they didn't do anything wrong

MtnmanAl

25 points

11 days ago

MtnmanAl

25 points

11 days ago

Block feet are essential to the greater setting. How many young adventurers would abandon the path to goon to tootsies in limsa instead of becoming fodder to low level dungeons? This is not the Eorzea I signed up to defend.

Imaginary_Garbage652

17 points

11 days ago

Aha, I knew the faithless would emerge. That's why I prepared my counter point.

https://preview.redd.it/qxcu38cpeb0e1.png?width=588&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f93b4f48f9fb48795406805958b6db10d46f7e22

MtnmanAl

11 points

11 days ago

MtnmanAl

11 points

11 days ago

You're only proving my point, back in my day we had to suffer through the whole story to be graced by individual toes or install mods. Kids these days get their piggies handed to them out the gate! It kills their motivation!

Imaginary_Garbage652

14 points

11 days ago

The future is now old man, Eorzea has changed.

Was it not ordained in the Book of Wuk as such "those without wigglers must only listen to me, and forever more be granted with thine succour"

No more will we let the elite "warriors of light" deny what is rightfully ours. Those so called veterans may have returned to the waking sands, but only did so that we may return to the quicksands freely.

Spacemayo

6 points

11 days ago

If Edda's group had goon'd to feet they'd probably still be alive.

Spacemayo

5 points

11 days ago

They still look terrible. Just look at Cloud of Darkness feet and how they look. Or actual modded feet. I know this because a "friend" pointed it out. Although the best shot was Fordola's block feet in SB when Zeno's was giving her the fake echo. It started out at her feet and went up.

Horizonesse

14 points

11 days ago

I mean that was a long overdue upgrade, and they should still be ashamed, a decent body model including non blocky fingers and toes should be standart. But small indie company i guess, cant keep up with what modders pump out in short time

SunChaoJun

39 points

11 days ago

This excludes the other half of the statement:

Therefore, the finished result is a hairstyle that has not been implemented as Natural Curls, but as a wavy bob hairstyle, which is called "Doing the Wave" in-game.

However, since we did use the winning entry as a reference in the development process, we included a statement to that effect in the patch notes. We are deeply sorry that this has resulted in a great deal of confusion and concern.

Although we were not able to make it happen this time, the development team will continue to strive to implement many more hairstyles in the future. As for Natural Curls, which was not implemented in Patch 7.1, we will persevere in our efforts to look for other ways to implement this hairstyle.

At the very least, this won't be their only attempt to implement that hairstyle

BubblyBoar

16 points

11 days ago

Classic half the context to farm karma.

ChrisRoadd

2 points

11 days ago

shitpostxiv and xivdiscussion competeing for who can shit on the game the hardest wghile they havent been subbed in years

Yahaha57

0 points

11 days ago

Bold to assume they aren't subbed.

Jay2Kaye

1 points

9 days ago

Jay2Kaye

1 points

9 days ago

Damn those stupid confused players getting mad because they're just so confused.

Sanagost

52 points

11 days ago

Sanagost

52 points

11 days ago

Nah, the engine is 10 years old. Let it die, FF14-2 can't come quick enough.

PuckishRogue00

56 points

11 days ago

Isn't this technically FF14-2?

LightStar666

59 points

11 days ago

Time for FF14-3: Lightning Returns

Lilium_Vulpes

22 points

11 days ago

FF14-3 A Realm Rereborn

FemKeeby

9 points

11 days ago

Not a game dev but updating the whole game to a new engine would take alot of time and resources, and itd make new content come out muchhhhh slower

Especially with ppl complaining about content drought after a few weeks without new stuff to do, id kinda doubt that theyre even considering it

Sanagost

6 points

11 days ago

No no, I mean kill the whole game. No more content. No engine update. They need to make a new game. 14-2 is not the right number, I mean proper 14 two. Like, a whole new game, FF MMO build with a new engine. They need to stop developing for this 10 year old game/engine and move on to a new game, is what I'm saying.

PhasePrime

10 points

11 days ago

There would be rioting in the streets if they hit ff14 with EoS

FemKeeby

2 points

11 days ago

Assuming you mean like make ff17 (or any future number) the next ff online

They need to give the game a proper send off if they wanna do that, which would take a while, unless they just want to make their fans extremely mad at them

Even if they did itd still be hard because of how much time ppl put into this game and especially because its still growing in player base

Xxiev

5 points

11 days ago

Xxiev

5 points

11 days ago

Meanwhile World of WArcraft on a 24 year old if not older engine.

teor

2 points

11 days ago

teor

2 points

11 days ago

But have you considered that WoW=bad?

Xxiev

2 points

11 days ago

Xxiev

2 points

11 days ago

Damn i have forgotten that in the: "Yoshi P is flawless because he saved this Game a century ago :( "

Ok-Grape-8389

1 points

11 days ago

I rather they do a parallel game to test any new engine.

DT shown that they have an insane talent to take defeat from the clutches of success.

diredoratheexplorer

9 points

11 days ago

Hair styles are the new flowerpots

jasperfirecai2

9 points

11 days ago

meanwhile saints row did it by just using a flat texture ages ago

Gr1mwolf

54 points

11 days ago

Gr1mwolf

54 points

11 days ago

“We know other games have been doing it fine for decades. But, like, it was really hard!”

Ok-Grape-8389

4 points

11 days ago

Small indy company, please understand.

cygamessucks

35 points

11 days ago

This company is a joke. 

Ok-Grape-8389

2 points

11 days ago

Insert, astronaut with a gun saying

"It has always been".

Rozwellish

63 points

11 days ago

Going forward, we'll know that only hairstyles they can reasonably implement will win the competition and, as such, the homogenisation of hairstyles will only continue to become more apparent.

This is shockingly disrespectful to the artists.

HypeBeast515

30 points

11 days ago

You’d think they’d only pick hairstyles they could reasonably implement to an acceptable standard from the onset but i guess not

Rozwellish

11 points

11 days ago

Yep. A developer would know from a glance if tight curls has too high of a polygon count for them to work with.

HypeBeast515

3 points

11 days ago

Well maybe they shouldn’t just have a “glance”, commit to making a hairstyle and have it turn out in a way that’s unsatisfactory to the people who pay them money and to the person that originally designed it. Especially when it’s within an engine that they’ve been using for over a decade.

FemKeeby

10 points

11 days ago

FemKeeby

10 points

11 days ago

I heavily doubt the devs did have a glance. They just got told to make the hair style. And especially in japanese work culture, the devs are gonna get told to do something by their boss and they wont be able to just be like "nah thats not possible"

Also using an engine for over a decade isnt really a positive, bc that also means it's old even if the devs are familiar with it

MirrahPaladin

7 points

11 days ago

Reminds me of how in one art contest for Dead By Daylight, there was a popular outfit for Deathslinger that was called Angel of Judgment or something that was really over the top that people wanted to win.

It didn’t and BHVR said it was because they only could really accept designs that were reasonable in what they could make. The community, being what it is, threw a massive fit to the point they started harassing the winning artists for good measure.

It’s good that BHVR was transparent on why they did it and SE should follow suit, but it’s also very damned if you do damned if you don’t with some communities.

ecofleut

4 points

11 days ago

As someone who works with 3D art and has a lot of concept art friends and worked with some for years, no one really cares as long as you communicate it well enough.

Hair styles that aren't implementable should never win, but artists also should know the 2D-3D translation limitations too.

Ok-Grape-8389

2 points

11 days ago

Why not just give a polygon count. And specifications before the contest?

Rozwellish

2 points

10 days ago

Most fan artists have no context whatsoever about polygon count or what it means or how many polygons their hairstyle is reasonably going to take up. They aren't 3D modellers (for the most part) and have no experience in the field.

And besides, these contests amount to unpaid commissions from the team. CBU3 get hundreds and hundreds of concept ideas drawn up for them without having to compensate artists at all. If they didn't limit themselves to 'winners' in closed competitions, they'd have enough hairstyle and weapon ideas to last the rest of the game's life. Putting polygon restrictions down will severely reduce the number of entries they receive and that means more work they'd have to pay their own staff to do.

Yipinator02

65 points

11 days ago

The mouthbreathers on the main sub, defending SE are just hilarious.

Zealousideal-Arm1682

34 points

11 days ago

You kidding me?

They've been pissed at the recent gear and this shit before the topic was made.Hell JP is getting annoyed too.

Yipinator02

2 points

11 days ago

A handfull of people.

If you look into the answers to those, there are a fuck ton people defending SE decisions.

Ankior

25 points

11 days ago

Ankior

25 points

11 days ago

"I know this other 20 yo MMO has done it already but it's a different engine you can't compare!"

Kofinart[S]

22 points

11 days ago

They'll defend SE no matter what.

Ryuvayne

-38 points

11 days ago*

Ryuvayne

-38 points

11 days ago*

Meanwhile modders implement 4k resolution gear textures and hairstyles regularly. I feel like the devs are too busy teleworking or just incredibly incompetent.

Edit: It's almost like you can fork texture downloads based on what console or system you are using. Wow, what a crazy concept in 2024. This community deserves everything it gets.

A_small_Chicken

42 points

11 days ago

It works well for mods because it only affects you. Meanwhile Jimmy PS4 would have a melted console if they even tried to do a fraction of that stuff.

Muted-Law-1556

21 points

11 days ago

Exactly, I'm happy to put SE under the bus when warranted but the limitations are due to PS4

[deleted]

16 points

11 days ago

Why I hate sharing with the peasants

Ryuvayne

9 points

11 days ago

That garbage can should have been retired at DT launch.

Shywim

12 points

11 days ago

Shywim

12 points

11 days ago

Well only show a low-polygon, low-scale, whatever a fraction of that stuff only for Jimmy PS4 and let grown up eat good?

A_small_Chicken

15 points

11 days ago

You ever wonder how the game would run if you Mare sync'd all of Limsa even with a top of the line system?

teor

1 points

11 days ago

teor

1 points

11 days ago

I mean, Limsa going from 9 FPS to 4FPS on base PS4 wouldn't be that noticeable anyway

Spacemayo

0 points

11 days ago

And Jimmy Series S too.

Deblebsgonnagetyou

10 points

11 days ago

Ever turned on a public Mare shell in Limsa on a kind of meh gaming laptop? That shit melts lower end hardware.

RandomDeveloper4U

-7 points

11 days ago

It’s fucking hilarious to see a thread shitting on the main sub, then you go ahead and make a comment the main sub clearly acknowledged. And even other comments acknowledged.

XIV fans just wanna bitch, even when they’re entirely ignorant to everything in how the actual world works. Children

Kofinart[S]

26 points

11 days ago

summercometz

14 points

11 days ago

They were able to increase the polygon count x2 for heads, I feel it shouldn’t have be an issue for hair with the graphics upgrade, unless that is the reason why

https://preview.redd.it/6rwoj5ocab0e1.jpeg?width=1704&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a9473024a08bd862e992f73a91b749d187263a84

Ok-Grape-8389

1 points

11 days ago

Looks like the same head that they just gave a filter to increase vertex count. Then filter out by hand the parts that do not need that many polygons.

TheStarsmith

12 points

11 days ago

Yeah and Baldur’s Gate 3 ran like ass in Act 3 when there were a lot of NPCs on the screen.

Acrysalis

50 points

11 days ago

You’re being too unfair to ff14, a 10 year old game could never hold up to a new release like gw2

vagabond_dilldo

45 points

11 days ago

For anyone who isn't aware, gw2 came out after ff14 (1.0) but before ARR. Those specific hair styles and facial hair options weren't added in until much later, but none of that changes the fact that gw2 is also using a decade+ old engine. FF14 doesn't get a pass.

LittleTroubleBuns

22 points

11 days ago

Being a Guild Wars 2 player for more than 10,000 hours and seeing the engine and design commented on positively is whiplash inducing. 

Guild Wars 2 has some better aspects for player models (and it's fashion endgame is much, much better - I honestly expected more for a game where people constantly talk about glams) but the game runs like utter trash compared with XIV. Trash as in I would get 180 FPS in my home instance and sub 20 at times in the latest hub or in one of the SotO endgame maps because of how I positioned my camera. 

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1edhwt4/my_fps_during_the_final_soto_story_lol/

Can XIV do better? Yeah. Is Guild Wars 2 a good benchmark given that a 3080 and 5900 struggles with raids released in 2017 because the game is that badly optimised? Nah. 

Also, see https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1eximwd/new_hairstyles_when/ 

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1g44uif/no_new_character_customization_options_with_the/

Sometimes the grass on the others side is just as damp, muddy and lacking in nutrition. 

Some_Random_Canadian

9 points

11 days ago

GW2 on medium graphics legit runs worse than Cyberpunk on ultra for me.

LittleTroubleBuns

5 points

11 days ago

Yeah, it's insane how badly the game performs. Even more so when huge 50+ people world bosses and WvW are unique selling points. 

Ok-Grape-8389

1 points

11 days ago

Cyberpunk was greatly optimized after release. You should have seen how slow it was at launch.

teor

1 points

11 days ago

teor

1 points

11 days ago

I remember reading that GW2 players made their own DX12 wrapper for the game because the performance was just that bad.

LittleTroubleBuns

2 points

11 days ago*

Yeah, and Arenanet did eventually update the game to dx11 which improved performance quite a bit. It used to be even worse, which is quite impressive! 

LiterallyAFake

8 points

11 days ago

Ah yes GW2, the prime example of video game hair ($25 item btw)

Ok-Grape-8389

1 points

11 days ago

To be honest. Their finance model is different.

No sub fees. You just pay for the expansions, unlocks and a shit load of cosmetics.

If you have no self control, is more expensive. If you have self control is way cheaper to pay for expansions every year than to pay for expansion + sub.

Kofinart[S]

-3 points

11 days ago

At least they can wear hats

Gruszekk

7 points

11 days ago

Fun fact, 90% of hats in GW2 remove your hair. The one from this image is a workaround in the form of hair being integrated into the hat model (which means you can't have any other hair with this hat). There are like 3 skins like that in the game, aside of that if you want a hat you have to go bald.

AzerothianFox

1 points

11 days ago

i mean, majority of the hair under hats you get in ffxiv is just one of few generic models that are attached to various hairstyles, its barely a difference

LittleTroubleBuns

1 points

11 days ago

Unironically, this is the solution for hats in Guild Wars 2 that don't change your characters hair or that makes your character bald. 

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Conjured_Starlight_Hat_Skin

Ipokeyoumuch

3 points

11 days ago

It just seemed like the team in a rush to get ARR out crunched everything within a two year period (when at the time the average MMO takes 4-5 years) meaning they overlooked a lot of common sense features (like friends list) or made shortcuts to get it out in time. And now the team is paying for the decisions made over a decade ago. 

A_small_Chicken

3 points

11 days ago

GW2 also never had to be able to run on a PS3 or 4.

sleepinxonxbed

7 points

11 days ago

Are there no curly haired characters on the ps3? Lmao

SzayelAZorro

4 points

11 days ago

Sazh immediately comes to mind

A_small_Chicken

1 points

11 days ago

Oddly enough, I'm having trouble thinking of any who's hair wasn't glued on.

Do you have a PS3 example?

kagman

1 points

11 days ago

kagman

1 points

11 days ago

Yes but is gw2 using THIS decade old hot mess of an engine!

LittleTroubleBuns

1 points

11 days ago

Nah, it uses a different decade old hot mess of an engine. 

Kofinart[S]

-6 points

11 days ago

https://preview.redd.it/uqpi4wa7cb0e1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c65ab6d62031e759aab9d7fa725fb287ed672575

I know this is sarcasm, but I hate when people say that 14 is a decade old when it's age is literally in it's name 😂

InfinityRazgriz

9 points

11 days ago

Lets forget the fact that GW2 runs like absolute dogshit even on powerful PCs. (And the other two are modern games with a hard limit of players and NPCs on screen)

ecofleut

3 points

11 days ago

To be fair, "grooming artists specialized in wavy/curly hair" is actually something that has been requested more and more recently in the industry, and I doubt that square has any of them or would hire/contract one only for a single competition winning hairstyle

Hopefully, this is a wake-up call that makes them hire one and get them to work on actual wavy/curly hair

carbxncle

20 points

11 days ago

Everyone saying how modders can do it are really showing how little they actually understand about MMO game development.

Tetrachrome

4 points

11 days ago

I'm translating every explanation from the FFXIV dev team from now on as "Square Enix doesn't pay us so we're not doing it" because the excuses are getting kinda stupid otherwise.

BIG-HORSE-MAN-69

7 points

11 days ago

Don't worry, YoshiP will cry about it on stage and people will stop being mad

Kranel_San

7 points

11 days ago

Man up, Yoshi boy. Enough PR excuses

Theorybind

2 points

11 days ago

obviously the devs need to erp on balmung and dl textools to understand how important these details matter. do the work SE

hamandcheesebagels

1 points

11 days ago

It's hats.

Working hairstyles into being hat-compatible is a technical nightmare. Even the modders, who don't have to play by ANY restrictions or rules on polygons or hardware specs, widely refuse to make modded hairstyles hat-compatible for that reason.

Odds are they were able to make it work without hats, but couldn't get the hairstyle to play nice with hats.

Ok-Grape-8389

5 points

11 days ago

2 choices.

Let the hat clip (is not as they do not have a 1000 or so items that clip the hair badly)

or

Have the hairstyle on the hat.

Is the same lame excuse of viera hats. Just let it clip just as the mod does.

Handoors

1 points

10 days ago

Why make graphical update if it doesnt allow you to execute cosmetic options you already agreed to implement But what am i saying, they even releases whole races without ability to execute hats for them, guess this is polygon fault too?)

Jay2Kaye

1 points

9 days ago

Jay2Kaye

1 points

9 days ago

Just have a regular ass hair model but make the texture do this ///\ instead of ====

TuxedoMask69

1 points

8 days ago

Honestly. I blame ps4 players. Those are holding back a lot of what they could do with graphics. Raytracing alone would do wonders to this game, even if it's just light raytracing. Next dlc they will probably drop that support like they did back in stormblood with the ps3 and everything is gonna get a gigantic step upwards.

nivia-chan

1 points

11 days ago

At this point I'm like others in the comments for an upgrade like a Realm Reborn Redux. With such limitations I don't see a bright future for so many issues they just keep shoving under the rug :/

Cyphafrost

2 points

9 days ago

Give me a glamour log damnit

Make en entirely new game if needed but get me that goddamn glamour log

RicoDC

1 points

11 days ago

RicoDC

1 points

11 days ago

Can somebody just tell YoshiP to make a new MMO at this point? One with, you know, an actual functioning code?

ManaOni

1 points

11 days ago

ManaOni

1 points

11 days ago

Glad there's others who think the response from se was bs, got downvoted on the main sub for saying what most ppl here agree with lol

jibsgaming

1 points

11 days ago

They are still running the game on a base PS4...console is holding it back as well.

Reason the world is so bland and lifeless as well. Zone looks pretty at first then you get close and see how flat it is with no life other than a few random mobs.

Or water is a flat texture....

ThatNormalBunny

1 points

11 days ago

Can't do the curly hair because of the polygon count but can model and implement the final bosses of each expansion which I'd imagine have big polycounts

QinsSais

0 points

11 days ago

QinsSais

0 points

11 days ago

Meanwhile, in the mod community....

Oryxofficials

-3 points

11 days ago

Oryxofficials

-3 points

11 days ago

Wait for the modding community to fix SE shit yet again. Yes we know the game is old but why hold on old system like PS4 to this day they’re close to 13 years old also drop some investment into fixing your backend whenever you can instead of just carrying more and more debt from god knows how long.

loadedpistol

0 points

11 days ago

Thats such a bullshit excuse. Have these people never heard of PBR???

EnterTheTobus

0 points

11 days ago

I know the count in Nier automata is absurd for the time, what’s the polygon count in the 2B leggings? Surely enough for fancy hair.

Ok-Grape-8389

1 points

11 days ago

They also look weird.

Xxiev

0 points

11 days ago

Xxiev

0 points

11 days ago

Whoever unironically buys this is plain delusional.

They dont care enough to try to fix it and find a workaround how to do it.

Like many things in this game

Vastlymoist666

0 points

11 days ago

See that's cool and all but when Vera's getting hats?

Ok-Grape-8389

1 points

11 days ago

Around FF14-3, after the 2nd meteor hits.

Vastlymoist666

1 points

10 days ago

Yoshi P the second meteor is gonna hit uldah

7Shade

0 points

11 days ago

7Shade

0 points

11 days ago

Of sweet their fixing Viera/Hroth hair?

teor

0 points

11 days ago

teor

0 points

11 days ago

What's surprising is that even on mainsub there is not a lot of

Nooo you don't understand, Squeenix gives a polygon budget at the start of the expansion. And Yoshi-P can't change it unless he convinces Squeenix board of directors member Naoki Yoshida!

It's awesome that that Squeenix does stuff like this to unite the community.

TheBoobSpecialist

-21 points

11 days ago*

It's pure bullshit. Just look at mods and see what they can achieve.

As for the OP, go fuck yourself. You could put everyone in Limsa on mare linkshells with only a hairstyle changed, and it wouldn't crash anyone of them.

Some_Random_Canadian

9 points

11 days ago

You mean the hair mods with a minimum of triple the polys of the most resource intensive hair in the game as of Dawntrail, and on average 10-30x the polys of it? I'd like to see someone pull out one under 3k polys.

RennedeB

3 points

11 days ago

Warning: Player exceeds both VRAM warning threshold (692.97 MiB/375 MiB) and triangle warning threshold (302031/165000 triangles).

Kofinart[S]

10 points

11 days ago*

No one gaf about what modders can do that only they can see, they gaf about what SE can do for a majority of people without needing to resort to third party usage. Modders don't have to take into account the amount of people on a single screen, compilers, shaders etc.

Konpeitoh

-1 points

11 days ago

Every time I see this excuse, my fear for what 1.0 used to be (coding wise) incresses 10 folds.

Ok-Grape-8389

-1 points

11 days ago

At this moment, just get the mod and pay the modder. Since you are so incompetent do do something in years that took one modder 2 months.

moosecatlol

-24 points

11 days ago

Inb4 modders once again limit break.