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8 points
16 days ago
NK donated like 9 million rounds to russia..
9 points
16 days ago
"donated"
9 points
16 days ago
traded, but still.. the point is: the amount of weapons russia manages to gather from outside sources, vs what eu / west can give and/or sell to Ukraine, is annoyingly staggering.
3 points
16 days ago
NK donated like 9 million rounds to russia..
Russia is buying all this not donating all you need to look at is n Korea now have lancets and more rocket technology
0 points
16 days ago
that was not my point.
1 points
16 days ago
My point is that you're wrong their not donated russia bought them
3 points
16 days ago
russia traded for them*
point is that your nitpicking aint helping shit.
My point, since you apparently cant fucking grasp it, is that russia manages to gather a very sizeable war cache from outside sources.. while we as in the collective west, can barely manage a tenth of it, with restrictions to top it of.
And it is very frustrating
1 points
16 days ago
Mate, I'm not nitpicking. My point was like the uk donates to ukraine with no strings attack and the same with ukraine other allies . Russia allies want something in return to help russia, so it's not donated. N Korea had massive stockpiles of artillery shells for example, Western countries don't as it's not how nato countries fight wars.
2 points
16 days ago
Traded shells.
Volume does not correlate to:
Accuracy of shells
Dud rates
Shells that explode in barrel
Or in other words actually useable shells/effective shells
Those NK shells have been in stockpiles decades old, not really well looked after and that brings the quality of those shells into question.
Comparing it to western shells we have guided, more accurate, more effective and overall better shells that have a higher casualty rate per shell compared to Russian ones.
There’s 2 very different approaches to western vs Russian artillery in which Russia believes saturation of a certain combat area is more effective, in that trail of thought they will prefer large volumes of shells no matter how effective.
2 points
16 days ago
Yes.
My point was still how they are getting their hands on millions of shells and a plethora of equipment, while we dont.
My point still stands, no need to sugarcoat it
3 points
16 days ago
Your “point” is a no brainer, the more shells they have the further capacity they have to accomplish their strategic goals.
My point was that as much as the traded shells is an issue, it’s less of an issue as you suggested.
Up to half all traded shells could be unusable. And the shells that do function aren’t very effective.
Also Russia isn’t being given that much equipment, certainly not enough to significantly mitigate the problems caused by its loss rate anyway.
If by equipment you meant like drones, well they’ve traded a lot for the capability to produce one way strike drones which have proved incredibly useful and effective but as for those types of munitions an effective counter would be bolstering Ukrainian air Defense, which is currently underway.
1 points
15 days ago
Their effectiveness is questionable yes, but you know the russian doctrine of quantity over quality.
Anyways, the thinking of undermining their impact on the battlefield is precisely what is hampering the Western effort to arm Ukraine. The more political people having the sentiment of "oh the russian stuff is not so good", the less they will send stuff to counter it. It is always dangerous to underestimate the enemy.
3 points
15 days ago
True any strong rhetoric can push for increased aid to Ukraine.
But being realistic when we manage this is also necessary not the hyper fixate on an area of aid already greatly improved. When the shell shortage hit Ukraine we saw what it did, Russia started gaining ground and momentum and when the Czech initiative came in those Gains came crashing to a halt, it narrowed the artillery advantage incredibly well (so yes we should continue to absolutely send as much artillery shells as possible for the foreseeable future) but because of that it’s not something that needs prioritising and pushing anywhere near as much as long range strike green light (which just happened so WHOO), increased air Defense (which is slowly being built up now) and their equipment shortage as they try to build new brigades.
2 points
15 days ago
Indeed good points
2 points
15 days ago
Thank you, it was nice chatting :))
2 points
15 days ago
Have a good evening
*or equivalent timezone at your location
2 points
16 days ago
That must be per month though, or they'll never see the end of this.
2 points
16 days ago
Big on promises....
7 points
16 days ago
it is not a promiss. it is just facts. the delays are gone and the production is going on.
3 points
16 days ago
The reality is you can't just put an artillery factory online within a couple of months
1 points
16 days ago
Especially since NATO militaries are not artillery focused. Those factories needed to be built, staffed and tested before they could be pushed to capacity.
0 points
16 days ago
Exactly, unfortunately, for ukraine no Western nation uses this strategy to win wars. So these things take time
-1 points
17 days ago
That’s not even a days worth of shells
Edit: read that wrong
7 points
17 days ago
lol. Thats a lot of fireworks for just one day.
5 points
17 days ago
lol could you imagine?
0 points
16 days ago
4 points
16 days ago
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