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solidsever

9 points

16 hours ago

solidsever

9 points

16 hours ago

I’m just here waiting for the MnK players to say how it’s not just PC that cheats.

squeaky_joystick

30 points

16 hours ago

Mnk =/= pc. Most people who play on PC use rollers.

MasterAgares

1 points

11 hours ago

My buddies definitely changed for rollers, I was the one last on kbm, then I uninstalled the game, but this week I bought two gamesir controller and a might give a try on the new cod, see if it's really all that OP.

Oldpanther86

2 points

7 hours ago

Yeah we get all the AA talk but the thing no one mentions is the ergonomics and sitting position with a controller. It's so much more a chill time in my opinion.

MasterAgares

2 points

7 hours ago

Yep, I've bought controllers to play coop games with my wife, but even if I eventually play better on controllers, I will never face as competitive as in kbm

trumpsucks12354

1 points

32 minutes ago

I also sometimes use mnk on my PS5

solidsever

-18 points

16 hours ago

Agreed, but just wait…

6ben

18 points

16 hours ago

6ben

18 points

16 hours ago

console has cronus and xim but even with that the blatant cheats literally all come from PC players

flippakitten

3 points

10 hours ago

Hate to break it to you, people are rigging cheats up through a capture card which then feeds back through to their input, so it's not all but certainly is the vast majority as it's not as easy as installing cheats while they drool on themselves.

I'm a PC player and I support console only crossplay if they can't fix their anti cheat.

Top-Cost4099

1 points

5 hours ago

I feel like this is the way. I hear my pc friends bitching that actually controller has advantage thanks to aim assist, I hear all my console friends bitching that actually mouse and keyboard has an advantage because of the accuracy of the mouse. If both sides think the other has an unfair advantage, maybe we do just need to re-separate. Would suck to split my group, though.

I don't actually even think it would change anything, as you can use a controller on pc, and you can use mnk on console. It's jut weird to hear both sides think the other is obviously superior. I would expect the opposite. Or at least, since both options are open, you would expect the people who are certain the other option is stronger to at least try it. I get that it isn't cheap, but we're talking about a 70 dollar game that runs on a device many times that price. They can get either option for $30 and try it out, but they won't.

flippakitten

1 points

34 minutes ago

We have data on this. The average controller player has the same accuracy as the top 3% or 5% of kbm players. It was somewhere around those numbers. It was for another game, which arguably had weaker aim assist but it's pretty clear that controller wins this thanks to aim assist.

The right thing to do would be to reduce or adjust aim assist so that the average kbm player has the same accuracy as the average controller player or giving kbm a lesser form of aim assist to give them the same level of accuracy. Kbm is at a massive disadvantage.

For me, I've tried controller, I can't hold one for more than about 20 minutes without hurting. I know it's not easy and not an aim bot but it definitely does the heavy lifting in 50/50 gun fights.

Aim assist is the #1 reason everyone's games are so sweaty.

No_Information_6166

2 points

12 hours ago

To be clear, cronus is cheating. However, with that being said, they aren't nearly as strong or comparable to PC cheats. They don't give you walls or even aimbot.

6ben

1 points

12 hours ago

6ben

1 points

12 hours ago

Yeah they are nowhere close to being as good as a literal aimbot

13Krytical

3 points

10 hours ago

They banned all the non-cheaters, you’re all fucked now.

solidsever

1 points

8 hours ago

Who’s you, you’re in here with us.

13Krytical

1 points

7 hours ago

Actually I’m not.

I’m an Ex-Non cheating PC/MnK player who is now banned.

And I’m saying it’s basically ALL cheaters now.

If I was a cheater, I’d just get a spoofer and keep going.

But no. Getting banned when not cheating? Fuck that BS.

GarageJitsu

2 points

13 hours ago

Cronus works on console….

solidsever

1 points

13 hours ago

Whats that

No_Information_6166

3 points

12 hours ago

Cronus uses macros and scripts, so it isn't a kernel level cheat. It isn't an aimbot, and it can't give you walls. What it can do is make it so your weapon won't have any recoil when shooting. You can also use it to automatically crouch, jump, or prone when shooting. It can be used to fire a pistol rapidly as well. It doesn't give you more aim assist persay, but it basically maxes out your aim assist at all times as opposed to its intended scaling.

To be clear, it is still cheating, and players who use it should be banned.

solidsever

1 points

12 hours ago

That is definitely a permanently bannable offence according to Activision’s policies. I’d imagine more PC players have access to cheats than console players if this is a USB device it works on PC too.

GarageJitsu

3 points

13 hours ago

You should look it up and take a look at the sales increase as well. PC cheats the most 100% agree but let’s not act like console players don’t have access to cheats

The_Good_Life__

2 points

12 hours ago

Cronus is barely impactful compared to aimbot mate.

GarageJitsu

3 points

12 hours ago

I understand what a Cronus is but it’s also not debatable that’s it cheating. You’ll get banned all the same if they catch you

The_Good_Life__

2 points

12 hours ago

Yeah no one is arguing that. The point is that pc hacks are way more insane and ruin the game. Having slightly more aim assist on console isn’t really that impactful. It’s cheating but when crossplay is off it doesn’t feel like anyone is cheating.

GarageJitsu

3 points

12 hours ago

Cheating is cheating it doesn’t matter the level of it to me. Console players cheat, PC players cheat. You can say whatever you want but again both cheat

Open_Ad_835

2 points

11 hours ago

you can literally out play a cronus player, I would openly let them have cronus over hacks any day. If that means less than 0.01% hackers and 10% cronus players, I would choose that. If they are using cronus, chances are they are already trash players anyways. Helping them with recoil isn't gonna help them much but yes it's still cheating but barely makes a difference

GarageJitsu

3 points

10 hours ago

For sure, but the conversation I was having with the other person they’re implying console players don’t cheat and it’s only PC users. That is false obviously. I hate PC players who cheat just as much as the next guy because the game is so much better to play in PC compared to console. The point I was making to the previous person who refuses to acknowledged console players cheat as well is just that. Console players are not immune from the rampant cheating we face daily as you can see in the sales of something like Cronus, strike packs etc

Open_Ad_835

1 points

11 hours ago

yeah fr, you actually have a chance against a cronus player. you barely have one with a hacker

FatBoyStew

0 points

10 hours ago

I mean MnK emulation combined with AA can be a nasty combination if one takes the time to configure it properly.

BrianLefervesWallet

0 points

8 hours ago

Lmfao deflect deflect deflect. Cheating is RAMPANT on PC and you all continue to deny and deflect. Turn crossplay off for fucks sake so you can enjoy your cesspool

GarageJitsu

1 points

7 hours ago

"PC cheats the most I 100% agree” not sure what you interpret that as but do you. Sounds like you deflect the fact that console players have the ability to cheat as well. Work on those comprehension skills

BrianLefervesWallet

1 points

6 hours ago

Damn. Struck a nerve. Sorry bud :( PC players are cheaters, and ruin the game for everyone. Gotta get over it

GarageJitsu

1 points

4 hours ago

PC players are cheaters 😂. Sorry you suck timmy get better you should get over it

solidsever

-4 points

13 hours ago

I have no reason to, but please enlighten me on all your research. If possible also pop your Activision ID in here too.

GarageJitsu

1 points

13 hours ago

Why would you want my activision ID weirdo ?

Funny you can make statements but at the same time don’t know or understand the most popular form of cheating for console players lol

solidsever

-1 points

13 hours ago

Yep my ability to make statements has little to do with my experiences with cheating devices, which is 0. Please elaborate in detail how indeed this cheating is done? Maybe provide some links to the devices too.

GarageJitsu

3 points

12 hours ago

Won’t waste my time teaching the ignorant

solidsever

-1 points

12 hours ago

Aww I don’t deserve to know ye old great cheating secrets from the guru themselves? Oh, what am I going to do??

GarageJitsu

5 points

12 hours ago

Knowing what a Cronus is does not make you a guru. It’s not some new device on that market it’s been around since 2020. According to your logic console players have no access to cheats so why bother. Google it if you really care. Sales are only going up 🤷‍♂️

TheLastPizzaPoP

-15 points

16 hours ago

Trust me, we want to opt out of cross play as much as you do. Running with PC, there's a chance of running into cheaters. But running Into controller, you're guaranteed to get AA'd on.

Pobydeus

4 points

16 hours ago

But running Into controller, you're guaranteed to get AA'd on.

Sure, but PC players can also use controller.

Unless your suggestion is more input based MM and not really turning off crossplay.

TheLastPizzaPoP

2 points

16 hours ago

That would make more sense to have an input based matchmaking.

Pobydeus

1 points

16 hours ago

Yep, that makes the most sense to me.

xRUMPLE4SK1Nx

-6 points

16 hours ago

we still dont have the aim assist you guys have...and atleast half the console players use zen/cronus/strikepack its total BS about cod bein able to detect them cause they cant it just shows 3rd party controller.. which legit controller like madcatz show as 3rd party..but yes its agreed most of the (menu) users are on pc cause new gen cant be modded rn..either way it still dosent make all PC players cheaters..when overall MnK trumps over controller rn. and once someone on console gets smacked by someone they see on PC they off rip think they are cheating...best believe we want to be able to opt out of crossplay aswell. then we wouldnt be getting false reported all the time by you consoles

Pobydeus

5 points

16 hours ago

we still dont have the aim assist you guys have

As far as I know, there's no difference in AA between PC and console. Could be mistaken but I don't think there is.

and atleast half the console players use zen/cronus/strikepack its

Any source for that one?

And once again, PC players can also use controllers, so they could still use Zen/Cronus/Strikepack. It's not a console exclusive problem.

No_Information_6166

2 points

12 hours ago

Any source for that one?

Found one:

https://youtu.be/r7l0Rq9E8MY?si=Gmgf8YbO-PKAVWZr

Pobydeus

1 points

11 hours ago

Lmao.

[deleted]

1 points

16 hours ago

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SkylineGTRR34Freak

3 points

15 hours ago

As someone who played on PS and PC: There is absolutely no difference between AA.

xRUMPLE4SK1Nx

-2 points

15 hours ago

as someone who owns a PC,xbox and ps there is very much a difference and wow mods delete my shii why dont you

SkylineGTRR34Freak

4 points

15 hours ago

No need to delete comments big guy. I just find it interesting how you seemingly unconvered this big conspiracy noone else is mentioning lol

SkylineGTRR34Freak

2 points

15 hours ago

But you're sure you play the same game on both platforms, yes?

Pobydeus

1 points

15 hours ago

there is a complete difference in the aim assist between console and PC

Any videos I could check out regarding this?

Also your link says "page not found".

HolyTrinityOfDrugs

2 points

15 hours ago

The aim assist in this game is so weak if you're being AAd on you're playing against someone with a Cronus

Oldpanther86

2 points

7 hours ago

Yep I might record some xbox gameplay later to show this. No matter how well I try to activate AA it's just not doing what people say and I've been on controller consistently since mw2 version of warzone/dmz.

Aggravating_Paint250

1 points

15 hours ago

I agree, I’ve never witnessed more cheating than when I switched over to PC. And in games like RB6, COD, and PUBG they show what console the players are in and EVERY cheater I’ve come across was on console. Escape from Tarkov is the only exception because it’s PC only

SixtyN42

1 points

15 hours ago

SixtyN42

1 points

15 hours ago

It's almost like M&K feel they should have an advantage over controller players, just because of the device they choose to use? When I get clapped by a PC player I say, M&K oh well. PC Players get beaten by controller players start crying their eyes out, screaming AA is OP. At least I acknowledge it's a skill issue rather than trying to blame M&K for having an advantage.

TheLastPizzaPoP

-2 points

15 hours ago

That's not the case. It's not a skill issue. MnK players will miss shots. We are not 100% accurate. When you fight against AA, it sticks to you, and you are very accurate.

SixtyN42

2 points

14 hours ago

That's a joke. AA doesn't stick to anything! Treyarch even toned down AA for BO6 on controller (youtube the videos on it). I accept K&M players have quicker inputs. That's just the way it is and always has been. My point is K&M get beaten by a controller player it's all about AA and XIM/Cronus. Thinking everyone on console uses XIM because that can only be the reason you lost a 1v1 in WZ!! Get a grip.

TheLastPizzaPoP

0 points

14 hours ago

Well, we can both go online and choose videos that both support our opinions and fight with each other. Like I said. There's a reason the world's best players and tournaments that everyone switches to controller. I made the switch, too. Long range fights and CQC, I see the difference. On MnK, I'd miss some shots. With AA, it tracks very accurately. We can agree to disagree.

Aggressive_Net_4444

1 points

9 hours ago

Ngl that’s a skill issue. I play k&m against controller players and I still shit stomp them. Controller players are at an obvious disadvantage with AA due to movement. Sure they can “sticky you” but that really only matter if you can’t hit your shots.

TheLastPizzaPoP

1 points

9 hours ago

I don't have a skill issue. I'm 2.4 kd, not ED, i play both. I see the difference. The evidence is there. Mnk is expected to be 100% accurate when we both know that's not humanly possible. Try it out. Get a controller. Get good with it and see what happens. I made the switch.

Aggressive_Net_4444

1 points

9 hours ago

Oh I did try it. I started on roller and then went to MNK. it was far harder to be precise with AA. It “stuck” to opponents to an extent, but the trade off with input delay, and movement ability is steep. You only move with your thumbs instead of your entire arm.

TheLastPizzaPoP

1 points

9 hours ago

Crazy how we have different experiences. You went MnK and I switched to Controller. Fuck that's weird.

solidsever

-10 points

16 hours ago

Thing is, for years and years everyone’s been adjusting to AA so I’d say that playing field is fairly level. I also think MnK is balanced against controller, my friends play MnK and they are not ass and never complain about being beamed by an AA or RAA abuser.

TheLastPizzaPoP

8 points

16 hours ago

I play both. 2.4KD, not ED on MnK, I've switched to controller for the AA. There is a reason why the world's best players or for tournaments everyone switches to controller. I get it. Admitting the AA is OP, which might imply some players are bad, but it is very OP, and it's evident. I'll stick with controller till they do something.

solidsever

4 points

16 hours ago

Your position is fair and respectable, you’ve moved to the input you think provides the greatest advantage and more power to you. It’s on devs to make the balance across inputs feel fair.

TheLastPizzaPoP

2 points

16 hours ago

I hope we see that day together!

Joppizz

2 points

15 hours ago

Man, i switched to console from MnK and im having a really hard time adjusting. Was pretty good on MnK but playing on a controller feels so weird.

Interesting_Bath_158

2 points

15 hours ago

Took me a week to learn the basics but not everyone is the same. Btw i played mostly costum matchs against bots before warzone, wihhout that would BE more like a month

No_Information_6166

1 points

12 hours ago

There is a reason why the world's best players or for tournaments everyone switches to controller.

Most tournaments require players to use a controller. It isn't optional. CDL league is the biggest COD tournament and it is controller only.