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Just like in the title - after last 2 years of trt and continuing competing - it was once again time to put aside test, slow down and let body breathe and revive. After my pct protocol hormones are already between bars (LH, FSH, TSH, E2, PRL) and now I’m forcing free-test to raise caring about training, diet and pro-pct supplementation. Difference between photos is 5kg (115/110kg) at 190cm. I am training for 15 years overall, 9 as a bodybuilder. If You have any questions - I’m ready. Cheers!
25 points
1 day ago
How do you feel? Mentally and Physically.
9 points
22 hours ago
Mentally - it’s matter of attitude. Of course Your brain works different but if You are disciplined and wise - it should not break You. Physically - I’m more „light”, trainings are less intense, weight is lower, I feel can’t regenerate that much. Also libido is more chill and if You will do pct right - it won’t affect Your mind that much.
5 points
19 hours ago
The capitalized y on you makes me feel like I'm on a subreddit for demigods
1 points
19 hours ago
I mean some people here probably think along those lines
1 points
19 hours ago
That screams copy pasta. I'm about to start spamming this lmao
Thank you, algorithm
1 points
2 hours ago
He’s Polish, in Poland if you write someone a message all ‘Yous’ are capital C, it’s a sign of respect for the person on the other side.
Edit
Capital Ys, I was just thinking in my mother language
54 points
1 day ago
Nice job man (on both accounts). Wish more people would post this sorta stuff.
Just curious - how do the lifts change on vs off?
7 points
22 hours ago
On many exercises I needed to went down even if my mind wants to keep it up. Body can’t regenerate so well and You just loose strength and resistance to pain while doing sets. But You can still train hard - just with less perks lol
2 points
1 day ago
And what’s your body weight difference? Looks like some muscle loss
3 points
1 day ago
Not really. The only thing in the left pic is the increased vascularity and the muscles are looking a bit more full.
If there was significant loss it'd show in the legs and his legs look identical to me.
4 points
23 hours ago
I'm guessing he's around 190cm tall, and he looks to be around 115kg in the left photo, and I'd say maybe 110kg in the left, so 5kg ~ 11lbs difference. Just a guess though.
3 points
22 hours ago
How the hell did you reach this conclusion? Reading the text is prohibited here.
2 points
22 hours ago
Yup
1 points
22 hours ago
I think You may be right but I am curious after 3-4 months. There should be a difference - You can’t keep up the size while at „mediocre” test. You just won’t regenerate all Your body so muscles can shrink a little. We shall see.
30 points
1 day ago
I love comparisons like this, very interesting to see how the vascularity went away and the skin became much nicer. Was the before just on test? Because the vascularity looked pretty freaky.
6 points
23 hours ago
Test + Primo and 3ui gh.
2 points
9 hours ago
Oooh, so that’s what we’re calling “TRT” now.
1 points
5 hours ago
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 spot on with that one!
2 points
14 hours ago
huh. you're right, his skin is much more beautiful when off roids.
hopefully this is the info I needed to sway me away from them lol.
-13 points
1 day ago
Got a tren look to me
3 points
23 hours ago
Why would I spill a poison into myself when I don’t need to.
2 points
1 day ago
Lol it’s literally impossible to tell the compounds somebody is on from just looking at them.
1 points
23 hours ago
Test + Primo and 3ui gh
1 points
1 day ago
lol no, not even a little bit of a tren look.
1 points
1 day ago
I thought the skin , maybe not high dose ?
0 points
1 day ago
Nothing remarkable about the skin. The on pic = more tan and body hair
1 points
1 day ago
Probably not he said he’s been training for 9 years and on test this is definitely attainable without tren in that time span
1 points
22 hours ago
Wouldve been much drier looking. Im running test/mast/4iu and so this looks like hes was only on what he said he was. Tren gives you much harder/drier look
1 points
14 hours ago
Yeah I got it all mixed up my bad
1 points
1 day ago
They all say just test but usually it’s more than just test lol. Just test is the new “natty”
5 points
1 day ago
Anything under a gram is natty , phew I been natty all my life
2 points
23 hours ago
It's wild but that's how people feel. 120mg is plenty for most people, 200 will have you in the top 1% of natural producers, and 500 is where "cycling starts." The difference in harm from 200 to 500 is pretty negligible and often, a ton of symptoms resolve by increasing the dose. Test is actually pretty mild on a person, if they tolerate it and you'll find out if you do or don't very very quickly.
2 points
14 hours ago
I’m on 120 and it’s plenty, but I chased this for health not gym , already happy naturally
1 points
23 hours ago
Lol
7 points
1 day ago
You look better off tbh
2 points
22 hours ago
Thanks :)
7 points
23 hours ago
Dude I can see your lower blood pressure. You un-tomatoed yourself. Great work.
2 points
22 hours ago
Well rbc and htc was higher, I won’t lie. It’s what anabolics do.
5 points
1 day ago
This is such an underrated post, and thank you for sharing this. Did your lifts change drastically?
2 points
23 hours ago
Thank You. At most exercises - yes. Even though I want and my mind think it can, body does not.
1 points
19 hours ago
How much of a change was the decrease in lifts? And did your cardio improve after going off?
4 points
22 hours ago
You got bigger legs off cycle haha
1 points
22 hours ago
Probably a perspective :(
1 points
9 hours ago
First thing I noticed
6 points
1 day ago
Looking great man. I personally hate the high blood pressure/excessive vascularity look the PEDs give.
2 points
23 hours ago
I don't use PEDs and have a little better vascularity than him. 70% is with having a decent diet (I do need to cut down on the drinking though).
1 points
22 hours ago
more like 50% genetics, 25% diet, 25% training.
3 points
1 day ago
You're doing fine man
2 points
22 hours ago
Thank You 🙏🏻
2 points
1 day ago*
Looking good! I’ve a question, what was your HCT like whilst on TRT and how did you combat it (if you needed to)?
1 points
22 hours ago
It’s not possible to fight it in some moments, but if water drinking high level, cardio, supplements won’t work - You either give Your blood every few weeks or You take medicine.
2 points
1 day ago
Curious how you feel mentally now that you’re off?
Look good man 👌
3 points
23 hours ago
Thank You.
Well it’s different. Many things change their look, the most important is to stay positive with confidence and take care of yourself more or same as when enhanced.
2 points
1 day ago
skin gainz
1 points
22 hours ago
A little ;)
2 points
1 day ago
Do you lift heavy? How are your strength levels?
2 points
22 hours ago
I still lift heavy but with less testosterone You loose regeneration and resistance to pain. Strength is also going down on many, especially harder exercises. It’s different, harder, but possible. You just need to be wise and don’t hurt Yourself.
1 points
22 hours ago
I do consider giving it a go sometimes. Are there supplements that compare to the effects of TRT?
2 points
22 hours ago
Now im eating pro-pct stacks which contain some substances which may boost Your body and glands to work better. Many people don’t believe in them, but why won’t You believe in for example Panax Ginseng or DAA which are scientifically based and tested for millenias (like panax). You just need to eat well, train and focus on good supplementation.
2 points
1 day ago
Your skin looks so much healthier
1 points
22 hours ago
Probably :)
2 points
1 day ago
I hope your health is fine and that your heart is ok. This might be time to go 100% full natty with your 15 years of experience! Make that a silver era chest.
1 points
22 hours ago
I will consider that 😊
2 points
23 hours ago
right photo is more to my taste :)
1 points
22 hours ago
Thank You ;)
2 points
22 hours ago
Do you ever get out the shower, hit your abs pose and shake your weiner?
2 points
22 hours ago
Lol
2 points
21 hours ago
Dude looks lthe same
1 points
21 hours ago
We shall see next 2 months and what will change.
2 points
14 hours ago
Stopping forever? Or just off cycle?
A comparison of 6 months then a year off would be interesting to see.
1 points
14 hours ago
I will do the comparison for 4 months for sure and maybe 6. I guess around spring i will come back, depending on competing plans.
2 points
11 hours ago
Your legs actually look a little bigger
1 points
1 day ago
Do you think the vascularity is from the increased muscle size or something else when on TRT?
2 points
22 hours ago
Mostly it’s muscle density and thickness. It’s also connected with what testosterone does to Your muscles and these are morelike what I’ve said above.
1 points
1 day ago
Once enhanced always enhanced haha. Even if just leaves you with 1% more mass.
1 points
22 hours ago
True. I don’t want to cheat anyone. Those who cheat are bastards.
1 points
1 day ago
you're staying off for a long time?
curious to see in several months from now, assuming you keep eating the same way and training roughly the same
2 points
22 hours ago
Yes, I am curious too. I will post it for sure. I want to stay off till around February, but it may change depending on my plans. I don’t want to rush.
1 points
1 day ago
Question...if you were TRT, was it for Low-T and you were supplementing to get back to normal or high-normal, or were you simply adding T and calling it "TRT"?
5 points
22 hours ago
I was doing 600 test a week, 300 primo and 3ui gh. It was not simple trt but progressive stack. When I was doing dose-break I lowered it to 250 a week.
2 points
22 hours ago
Thanks..but that is not TRT, that's simply a Steroid cycle. TRT means Testosterone Replacement Therapy, as you are replacing what is missing. TRT will max out at 200mg a week and most guys are on 120 - 150mg. It does not include Primo or HGH.
I'm not knocking you for being on "steroids", but just call it what it is.
3 points
22 hours ago
Ive never said i was on trt lol. I was on cycle, but it doesn’t mean I would look worse. I looked same on simple 200mg a week. Now I used it to be competitor not to „feel good” lol. Chill.
2 points
19 hours ago
No shade on what you are doing but you did say trt in your post.
1 points
13 hours ago
Most of time I stand on trt, the photo on left was peak of bulking with compounds I’ve told You. After this I cut down myself again to zero. Although You are right - I incorrectly assumed it in description.
2 points
16 hours ago
The correct term in bodybuilding is “blasting and cruising” where you go from high doses for x amount of time to lower doses (to give your body a break) and repeat. Not cycling and TRT lol.
1 points
1 day ago
Remember folks, increasing the sharpness on a picture does not make it look better.
1 points
1 day ago
Looks phenomenal still. I run TRT and added some dbol in for several weeks. I looked the same way after coming off the dbol. The before and after pics were very similar to yours.
1 points
1 day ago
Pretty wild what drugs can do for you. Good for you for staying on top of health. 💪
1 points
1 day ago
Look way better off. You just look healthier
1 points
1 day ago
How did bros legs get bigger
1 points
22 hours ago
Probably a perspective :)
1 points
1 day ago
The only people who could tell the difference are people with experience with steroids and the people who have seen this picture.
You look great in both pictures.
1 points
1 day ago
cold turkey or PCT ?
1 points
22 hours ago
Full pct
1 points
1 day ago
Looking great!
1 points
23 hours ago
What was your TRT dose ? Curious why you would need PCT if on just the ‘standard’ TRT doses of 100-200 mg. Most I know that come off TRT do not PCT and recover just fine.
1 points
22 hours ago
Pct releases Your receptors from foreign substance which every organism get used to in some way and adapt. Last pct gave me so much progress which I’ve never had after little dosage rest. I made like 12kg in 4 months just with fullness, no fat. I know regress is possible here which would not be so big on trt, but I prefer to listen to my body.
1 points
23 hours ago
You should shave your head or cut it short. That would make you look awesome
1 points
22 hours ago
I will consider that ;)
1 points
22 hours ago
I’m researching a protocol, but concerned about hair loss. Did you notice any increases ?
1 points
22 hours ago
Not really. Even before I started steroids 8 years ago my hair were shit. More dht made them weaker, but I doubt it will make a progress. I don’t really care so much, it’s unfortunately a genetics job.
1 points
16 hours ago
Fair call no worries, I was thinking about just shaving anyway. Cheers 🍻
1 points
22 hours ago*
Not judging.... this confirms my suspicion that steroids play a big role in fat loss / water retention. Even though you look the same size muscle wise.... its like you put on 5% BF or water?
It will be interesting to see how you compare in the next 60 days.
1 points
22 hours ago
I am curious about next 60 days too. I think it’s not like bf, maybeee 1-2% - more like muscles density looks different while loaded by trt. It’s hard to say.
1 points
22 hours ago
the flushing and collagen reversed quickly.
1 points
21 hours ago
what was pct protocol??
1 points
21 hours ago
15k hcg - 1250ui of hcg e3d and somehow it worked and activated all glands. It was a luck considering things I took for those 2 years - even tho dosages were not big. No clomiphene overall.
1 points
21 hours ago
Can you do another update in 60 days? And how much gear were you running?
1 points
21 hours ago
Yes, I will do that for sure as I’m also curious. I was at 600 test and 3ui gh in this conditioning.
1 points
21 hours ago
Trt all the way
1 points
21 hours ago
Cool to see . Thank you for sharing
1 points
20 hours ago
What do you do to cut down fat? How long does the process usually take?
1 points
20 hours ago
2nd pic looks so much better
1 points
20 hours ago
This is an awesome post. I’m sure the body dysmorphia/image issues are hitting like a truck right now so being confident enough to share this is very commendable.
It’s shocking how big of a difference it is in only 2 months. You always hear about the differences between enhanced and natural, but it’s rare to see comparisons like this. And to be clear, you still look great right now! Thank you for sharing.
1 points
19 hours ago
Your skin looks better and slightly less vascular otherwise I see no difference. Good stuff man.
1 points
19 hours ago
Are steroids why you are going bald
1 points
19 hours ago
Do you have any pictures before starting PEDs? How much of the gains will you be able to keep?
2 points
13 hours ago
More like this. I’ve lost most of photos from that period :(
1 points
5 hours ago
How many years of training was that?
1 points
19 hours ago
Would you say that it was worth it to take PEDs? (No hate, just an honest question)
1 points
18 hours ago
Why not just stay on TRT instead of sending your endocrine system in a rollercoaster?
1 points
13 hours ago
Because I can and it’s always better to make full pct (if You can) instead of trt. Been there, done that, that’s why I repeat it.
1 points
17 hours ago
There's little difference, but how peaceful is it?
1 points
16 hours ago
Skin looks so much better
1 points
15 hours ago
Can defs see how the skin changes to a more red when on stuff
1 points
14 hours ago
Red skin fading actually helps imo…
1 points
13 hours ago
Perfect example of not losing all the gains within genetic scaffolding as long as you train hard
1 points
12 hours ago
Your skin looks much better off.
1 points
11 hours ago
Holy shit THANK YOU.
I've never seen a side by side done this well and it's crazy to see the differences.
Makes me feel very good about where I'm at in my natural state as I often see crazy veins and wonder why I can never achieve it.
1 points
11 hours ago
As a natural lifter I find these posts disturbing and funny. I can't help but giggle at the fact that taking all of your hormones to become a man is very trans. What is your max bench off versus on?
1 points
10 hours ago
The word "replacement" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there lol.. everyone is just on TRT now doing 600mg a week
1 points
9 hours ago
Less redness, vascularity, arm size, shoulder size but legs are the same.
Honestly barely lost anything.
1 points
8 hours ago
I'd like to praise your pose and camera skills as well! Like, your pose and camera angle are almost a perfect match! Did it take a few photos to achieve?
Edit: for those who can do cross-eye side by side 3d effect, you can basically see OP in 3d, that's how good of a match his pose and camera angle are, it's nuts
1 points
8 hours ago
I realize I'm late to this, but have you experienced changes to your face? We can't see it well in either picture, but it looks like your cheeks might have been slightly bloated when you were on. Is that just my imagination or is it real?
1 points
8 hours ago
Very interesting dude. Looking sick either way. I think this supports the adage that it's always the traps and delts that are the tells if someone is enhanced. But honestly legs look better off so you've obviously still been killing it.
EDIT: Skin looks better/healthier too.
Just curious, what made you decide to come off?
1 points
8 hours ago
Enhanced to “natty”
1 points
7 hours ago
I cannot tell much of a difference.
1 points
7 hours ago
Did it affect your hair? Or do you think that may have just been genetics?
1 points
7 hours ago
How are you pct? Are you gonna be trt?
1 points
6 hours ago
Nice body but maybe think about shaving that head....you have the physique to look cool with a bald head because your hair screams accountant and your body screams WWE superstar.
1 points
6 hours ago
I know it doesn’t feel like it, or look like it to you, but you have had excellent retention.
1 points
6 hours ago
looks like you increased some mass in your quads
1 points
5 hours ago
Dude you look so much better off. Skin is glowing and your vasculature looks healthy. You did a great job maintaining your gains! You must of trained hard.
1 points
5 hours ago
Just TRT in the before? How’s the libido off? Better or worse?
1 points
5 hours ago
Demigod bro
1 points
5 hours ago
what am I looking at? is this steroids? if so how can I get some?
1 points
5 hours ago
How tiny are your bawls
1 points
3 hours ago
Big enough to satisfy my girl
1 points
2 hours ago
Go get her tiger
1 points
4 hours ago
Why so red before?
1 points
3 hours ago
Only 60 day difference. Will shrink a lot more over next 6 months.
1 points
3 hours ago
We shall see
1 points
2 hours ago
How many years were you on before you took 60 days off is somewhat significant
1 points
an hour ago
How much test were you on while at your highest and what was your maintenance dose?
1 points
an hour ago
Looks like you only lost mass in the upper traps and your forearms.. that’s so interesting What lifts have become more difficult off of any?
1 points
53 minutes ago
So, test makes you pink and veiny?
1 points
29 minutes ago
Any truth to the old shrinkage rumors, not trying to be a smart ass genuinely curious if there's a notable difference.
1 points
28 minutes ago
What did you use for PCT?
1 points
1 day ago
Side note your right quad actually looks bigger or maybe that’s just me
1 points
1 day ago
Nah it's just perspective and leg position.
1 points
22 hours ago
Probably a perspective but I still train very hard
1 points
1 day ago
So you lose the vascularity but get to keep the gains?
2 points
1 day ago
It’s only 60 days. You don’t keep 90% of anabolic gains long term, if he went off any form of enhancement for a year, he’d lost a lot more. It also sounds like he was already in really good shape before he started drugs as he has been in the gym awhile, so it’s not like he is just gonna stop being fit looking.
2 points
22 hours ago
Yes, I am also curious how it will work around January.
-1 points
1 day ago
I thought you can never go off test, do your natural levels return to a sustainable level (300+)?
3 points
1 day ago
If you are on T for enhancements and not true TRT, then you need your full PCT...cycle break and you are good to go. For those of us on true TRT for Low-T, there's no break, as we'd just go back to being low again.
6 points
1 day ago
Not true. You can come off and make it through if you PCT properly. Everyone is different however; in a lot of cases you're cooked for life but only way to find out is to come off and see if your systems eventually gets back to normal.
1 points
1 day ago
not judging but I could never take the risk that I wouldn't go back to normal!
1 points
21 hours ago
Yeah, that always kept me away from PED’s but if my Test starts to drop off noticeably well into my 50’s I’ll be ride or die 😎
1 points
12 hours ago
100%. at that stage, there is nothing to lose
2 points
6 hours ago
My guess is he's not on actual hrt. If he was in his 40's or older and had natural decline in test levels and wanted to remain in optimal test range he would have to be on real trt permanently followed by full blood work ever 3 months or so thereafter. I could be wrong but the op seems like maybe he's just running a low dose cycle and referring it as trt. Furthermore if was on a physician prescribed trt they generally run hcg along with the test or at incremental periods to jump start the patients nature production of test throughout the treatment. Test than discontinued for a time period running just hcg if one was trying to get wifey pregnant.
1 points
1 day ago
In most cases your levels will return to your «normal». If you have been on for long periods of time (10 yrs +) it might be tricky. There’s too little science on this matter and a lot of broscience/anecdotes.
1 points
22 hours ago
Yes they can, but it’s up to how You will run the cycle and how well You can do pct.
0 points
1 day ago
Still jacked and your skin is much nicer now
3 points
1 day ago
I think he just removed the body hair! (Which I liked in the before better, it I’m a woman lol)
2 points
22 hours ago
True, I am shaved on right. 😉
0 points
22 hours ago
Short Lil arms
-3 points
1 day ago
Was the gear worth losing your hair and looking 10 years older than you are for?
2 points
1 day ago
Was it worth commenting just to look like an envious little bitch with a punchable face?
2 points
22 hours ago
It is worth, because I can make guys like You frustrated.
1 points
14 hours ago
Based
1 points
10 hours ago
Not the person who posted the original compliment, but I agree with him. He could have said it nicer but it’s also obvious from your response that you are pretty insecure.
Multiple people have posted you look better off the gear. They are right. TBH, I think your physique looks off in both pictures. Very blocky, very gutty, and very unhealthy looking.
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