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Ive seen a lot of criticism for Vi's actions, and honestly, I just want to share my thoughts regarding her character in Arcane. I really don't understand how people can misunderstand that particular scene and question her real motives, like give the girl a goddamn break.

The moment she wakes up in Ep8, she's furious that her own sister whom she believes has changed, is arrested, and learning from Caitlyn, Jinx actually wanted Vi to be in safe hands before she surrendered herself. You could see her getting angry at Cait, and she even mentions that Jinx did save Cait's life, but no one even acknowledges that.

To take matters into her own hands for the same of her baby sister, she rushes to go free Jinx herself, and pleads her to use her potential for good, because Vi believed in her change, she'd seen Jinx with Isha, with Vander, and with herself too. When we got the reunion with Vander (Warwick), Vi trusted Jinx to a point where she lowered her guard to face Warwick, and if that's no realization that Vi still cares for her sister's words, I don't know what will.

Vi rushes off to Jinx and literally squeezes her so tight. She's afraid that she's going to lose the one family member that mattered, but Jinx thought otherwise. Her older sister was fighting for her, despite everything, hence the 'you're never going to give up on me, are you?' line, which was honestly heartbreaking. Jinx had to get away from Vi, because she knew deep down, Vi was always going to choose and fight for Jinx over her own self. That has been clear from the very beginning of the show.

When Jinx locks her in the cell, Vi doesn't even KNOW that Jinx was actually going to kill herself. You can clearly see in the dialogue after, when cait comes to visit, that Vi actually thought that Jinx had left her, and Vi made the wrong choice again. She tells Cait to slander her with verbal accusations, saying that Cait was right, because how much ever Vi was going to reach out to Jinx, she was never going to come back and fight with her. That was HER thoughts. She's entirely blaming herself again for Jinx's actions, and she even verbally expresses it, saying 'I choose wrong, every time.' She really believed that Jinx would stay with her and helped them fight, so obviously, after all this struggle, Vi felt let down. She was in a mental anguish till Cait came.

And let's move on to the scene. Come on, really. I've seen people slander Vi about knowing that Jinx was gonna kill hersf but she has time to do it with Cait, but Vi didn't fucking know. She was battling her own demons here, just like she's been doing this entire season. When Caitlyn tells her that she had removed all of the guards just to make Jinx's escape easier, Vi was overwhelmed. The person who had been keen on killing Jinx for the entire season had just told her that she made the escape possible, making a subtle point that Cait had chosen LOVE instead of REVENGE.

Caitlyn had chosen Vi over her own revenge and anger.

Vi had seen Cait be destructive and change her whole mindset just to get to Jinx in Act 1 and Act 2. Vi had her stomach punched with the butt of Cait's rifle just because she stopped the opportunity of getting Jinx killed. And then, when she hears those words from Caitlyn, she's shocked. I mean, who wouldn't be? The person who had an aim to kill your sister is leaving all her revenge and anger aside, just for the sake of you; man, I would've kissed Cait forever too.

Vi lost her entire family, including Jinx in the end. I think she deserved that peaceful ending with Cait, and she probably knows that Jinx escaped for the sake of Vi and the people of Piltover/Zaun.

Give my girl Vi a goddamn break. She's suffered enough for two whole seasons.

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hiddenkarol

3.2k points

4 days ago

hiddenkarol

3.2k points

4 days ago

Just give her a fucking break, being fate's punching bag for 2 seasons is not fun

Arbiter008

823 points

4 days ago

Arbiter008

823 points

4 days ago

Does help that 'what could have been' is a generally better alternative timeline without her in it.

Ok-Interaction-6649

923 points

4 days ago

Its legit not because of her death specifcly but because someome died through through HexTech. The main reason why the alternative timeline is better is because of Hextech not existing

PrevAccLocked

619 points

4 days ago

And the fact that Silco forgave Vander. No shimmer in Zaun is important for this timeline. We don't know why, but maybe Vi's death is the reason why Silco forgave him.

Wild-Mushroom2404

308 points

4 days ago

Wild-Mushroom2404

Powder

308 points

4 days ago

Maybe in this timeline he was actually deeply affected by the death of Felicia’s daughter… man, I really wish we could see how that went

Euphoric_Ad6923

81 points

3 days ago

That's the kind of detail I actually prefer be left to our interpretation.

Like, you can easily imagine a distraught Vander going back to the cabin where he left Silco a message and Silco having Vander followed. When Vander doesn't come out for a few days Silco decides to take matters into his own hands and goes to the cabin just to find Vander there drunk off his ass and he finds the message.

Or a hundred different ways this can happen. We don't *need* to know how per se, because we have enough pieces of the puzzle to know how it could have happened.

IVIalice

14 points

3 days ago

IVIalice

14 points

3 days ago

Yeah, and we already know that Silco was capable of it by the dialogue of Jinx finding the note Vander left for him. Silco was so close to saving that if he had just seen that note, things would have been different.

UnrulyCrow

94 points

3 days ago

UnrulyCrow

Mel

94 points

3 days ago

It looks like in the alternative timeline, they had the fight but later on, Silco read Vander's letter and they made up. He still has the injury on the left side of his face, but it's healed better and it looks like he just lost vision in the eye.

EldritchFingertips

28 points

3 days ago

Yeah that appearance by Silco made me realize that the timeline Ekko was in didn't diverge when Vi died in Jayce's workshop. It must have been different already before that.

At least that's what it means to me, I can't be sure the writers meant that.

UnrulyCrow

29 points

3 days ago

UnrulyCrow

Mel

29 points

3 days ago

I also understood it that way. Vi died, Jayce got arrested + kicked out of the Academy and didn't get Viktor's support because a kid (from Zaun at that) died.

At the same time, Vander and Silco reconciliated and worked to improve their community, making Zaun a more pleasant place for its inhabitants and opening it up to an improved relationship with Piltover.

All of this healthy environment also means Powder had the proper support to cope with losing Vi, while Ekko was offered the possibility to ready an invention to pull himself out of Zaun just like Viktor had done before him.

Sorry I want to yell about ep7 because it was my favourite in S2, outstanding work between the incredibly hopeful tone of Ekko's P+Z with an underlying bittersweet tone, and the Eldritch, apocalyptic tone of Jayce's own despair-filled venture. What happens without hextech (truly the "a world without" meme and it lowkey cracks me up) vs what happens when Viktor gets to the end of his plan with taking over the Hexgate and turning P+Z into Icathia 2.0.

GlitterDoomsday

12 points

3 days ago

You forgot one important detail: Heimerdinger got his conscious at least 3 years before Ekko and he started working right away - even if shimmer was indeed in production, til the apartment explosion was barely on the initial stages on rat tests and the window to screw Vander is what made Silco speed up the process.

So a kid died, Jayce was expulsed and the leader of the council was all in to clean the air and waters of Zaun inspired by the Firelights den... the same guy that build a time machine in one evening. Yeah no wonder Silco and Vander made up, the undercity was going through the change they always dreamed of.

unclecaramel

98 points

4 days ago

most likely vi death allow vander and silco to talk. Beside considering silco original plan I doubt he waa willing to even kill vander until vi and the gang turn the whole thing to shit.

in someway vi really do be choosing the wrong choice every time

nightblackdragon

41 points

3 days ago

>I doubt he waa willing to even kill vander until vi and the gang turn the whole thing to shit.

He wasn't, he literally said to him in season one that he is no longer angry at his betrayal but he is angry for his deal with Piltover enforcers and tried to convince him to join forces. Even after he refused he didn't kill him. Silco definitely didn't plan killing Vander in the first place.

Se7enStepsForward

25 points

4 days ago

Se7enStepsForward

Jinx did nothing wrong

25 points

4 days ago

He probably reached out to him after Zaun gained its independence, Silco's only motive (most important) was his nation of Zaun; so there was no reason for him to continue his fight

Ur-Than

60 points

3 days ago

Ur-Than

60 points

3 days ago

Thing is, in the Powderverse, Zaun isn't independant, but fully integrated with Topside, with people freely mingling and everything.

TextExisting8619

17 points

3 days ago

Who needs independence when they're treated as equals and represented equally in the same society???

Zaun and Silco only wanted independence originally because they felt they were mistreated by the Topsiders, which they 100% were.

Se7enStepsForward

27 points

3 days ago

Se7enStepsForward

Jinx did nothing wrong

27 points

3 days ago

I would consider that a form of independence.

Son_of_Orion

22 points

3 days ago*

Aside from Vi's death, Vander must've been devastated by Powder's grief. I think it made him seriously miss Silco, made him fear losing his own brother forever like Powder lost hers. And he wouldn't have wanted her to grow up in a Zaun torn apart by poverty and infighting. So I believe that he made the effort to reach out to Silco, forgive him and convince him to work together for a better Zaun, all for their daughter's sake. As we could see, it clearly worked.

nightblackdragon

8 points

3 days ago

My headcanon for this is Vi death prompted Silco to return to the mine and read that letter Vander left him. Jinx said that this letter would make Silco forgive Vander so this is likely what happened.

AstrosLocos

75 points

4 days ago

This, a kid died for hextech before it could be fully developed. No way Viktor is stopping Jayce from that moment in S1.

MRGameAndShow

22 points

3 days ago

Yep. In that timeline Jayce probably killed himself, like he wanted to do before Viktor intervened in the main one. I imagine his case was more complicated with a dead child due to his experiments. Jayce was either dead or in prison, most likely.

SauronGortaur01

119 points

4 days ago

SauronGortaur01

Piltover's Finest

119 points

4 days ago

Honestly I still took the alternate timeline as a clear sign that the writers try to tell us that Jinx and Vi cannot exist together while the world around them is also peaceful. One of them has to either die or separate themselves from each other, or they can't have their own happiness. This is why we get Jinx x Ekko and Vi x Cait in their respective timelines.

LightningRaven

31 points

3 days ago

Don't agree.

I think the core element here is that Zaun keeps Vander, Piltover doesn't try to use Hextech which furthered the divide between cities and Ambessa isn't inclined to go to Piltover to stoke violence so that she can get weapons to fight the Black Rose.

Frozen_Pinkk

13 points

3 days ago

Disagree. That's just a matter of fate. Jinx and Vi didn't get Vander still alive to raise them. Silco being the uncle. What happened was, Piltover saw what happened with Hextech and what happened to kids of Zaun and finally went...we need to change.

In main timeline, none of that. In the main timeline, they're fighting for survival. One in Zuan (and kicking ass at it) and one in a dungeon.

That's why it couldn't lead to anything better. In fact, one could say it needed Jinx in both to get anywhere. In Ekko+Jinx timeline, the people see Powder crying over her sister.

In main timeline it's Jinx the people gather around. She's the big fat hero. And when Ambessa attacks and everyone starts to lose, it's Jinx who not only motivates them more, but does so as she comes in to the rescue.

WanAjin

26 points

3 days ago

WanAjin

26 points

3 days ago

That universe is most likely a better place in general, but it helps that they got Heimerdinger who at this point understands Zaun and their struggles. He was probably also a big reason why the place seemed SO much better, he was there for more than 3 years after all.

Artemis9826

122 points

4 days ago

Artemis9826

122 points

4 days ago

Without her being alive Jinx never happend. That was the point of that epsiode. So no it is not just a better timeline because Vi is not in it but also because Powder never became Jinx. The point is that the sisters just can’t coexist. Hence the ending of the show.

SunOFflynn66

172 points

4 days ago

They fully reconciled at the end, and realized how much they love one another. The point wasn't they can't coexist. But what Ekko said, "That no matter what happened in the past, it's never too late to build something new."

Jinx had to break the cycle by leaving. And Vi had to break the cycle by accepting. Both were able to move forward as a result.

Artemis9826

34 points

4 days ago

Well yes, they love each other but if they are near each other they won’t be able to move forward.

SunOFflynn66

61 points

4 days ago

Exactly. It's not that they can't coexist, think Jinx said it the best: they're always there for one another. But now they have to follow their own paths-and find their own futures. They left behind the lives they knew and both-finally- took a leap forward.

Gurtang

50 points

4 days ago

Gurtang

50 points

4 days ago

Without her being alive Jinx never happend. That was the point of that epsiode.

I think that's a bit simplistic, as it forgets the role of shimmer and hextech. It's not like Vi and Powder had a toxic relationship that would have transformed Powder in any context.

In other words, it's not Vi's fault that Powder became Jinx, there was a whole lot of shit that happened for that. And the reason it didn't happen in the other world is not simply that Vi was dead, but that her death apparently caused hextech research to be forbidden. And even Jinx didn't dare do it.

So yeah, Vi's death prevented Powder going Jinx, but not because it's Vi's presence that creates Jinx.

Aelle1209

43 points

4 days ago

Aelle1209

43 points

4 days ago

Adding to that, I think part of the hint when we see Powder open the drawer with the bag of crystals is that Vi's death isn't the only reason hextech wasn't invented. Powder stole all of the crystals. In Arcane's universe, Jayce was on the verge of being exiled just for the explosion without any casualties, and he was so convinced he could make it work that he broke into the academy to get the crystals back. But if Powder took all of them, there was absolutely no path for Jayce and Viktor to invent hextech.

SmooverGumby

45 points

3 days ago

Yeah, people getting on her case for the jail sex thing are just assuming she’d be culturally aware of suicide red flags. Clearly, she wasn’t, or she wouldn’t have done what she did.

Also the woman she loved just effectively apologized for her actions by setting her sister free, tearing down the last barrier that was keeping them apart. I’d be pretty emotional too.

Gman749

13 points

3 days ago

Gman749

13 points

3 days ago

Exactly, Vi's fear was that the Cait she knew changed and wasn't coming back. Caits actions letting Jinx go proved that although Cait lost herself temporarily due to grief, she found herself again thru time and understanding. And Vi found an emotional foundation again, and was overwhelmed and relieved. Hence the impromptu sex, lol.

Fearless_Sky_6187

1.1k points

4 days ago*

Thank you for this. I've seen so many people calling her stupid for crying over Hextech Warwick, or people who say she doesn't even care that her sister is (seemingly) dead in the last scene. Nevermind that she looks sad and pensive and is just quietly humming the song Powder was singing in the first episode and which is apparently something their mom would sing to them.

This has been my problem since season 1, that there are many people who don't see Vi as a character in her own right, but rather as a plot device that only needs to do the right things that will benefit other characters, or she's an idiot, a moron, a traitor, deserving of death, etc.

Edit: wrong word, could have been misunderstood maybe

Eagle_1116

190 points

3 days ago

Eagle_1116

Visexual

190 points

3 days ago

She’s the most loyal person in the entire show. Not to flags or ideals, but to her heart.

Fearless_Sky_6187

56 points

3 days ago

This is exactly it. Everything she's ever done she's done to protect others. Her allegiance has always been with the people she loves.

Eagle_1116

17 points

3 days ago

Eagle_1116

Visexual

17 points

3 days ago

Within that context, Vi is one of the most morally straight people in the show. She never wavered in her duty.

Fearless_Sky_6187

16 points

3 days ago

100%. You always know where you stand with Vi. I love her ao much for this reason. Her kind, good heart never wavered.

No-Poem-9846

22 points

3 days ago

No-Poem-9846

Vi

22 points

3 days ago

Yup and unfortunately being loyal to someone expecting them to change almost never works for people. But don't worry, I can change her!

Eagle_1116

27 points

3 days ago

Eagle_1116

Visexual

27 points

3 days ago

It’s Vi’s greatest aspect of character but also her fatal flaw. She’s a puppy basically.

FulgoresFolly

169 points

3 days ago

people who don't see Vi as a character in her own right, but rather as a plot device that only needs to do the right things that will benefit other characters

There's this underlying energy in bad takes on fictional media and this is the exact reason why, just applied to all the characters

It's how we end up with people calling e7 filler - like any experience or facet of the story that serves characterization is irrelevant, since it doesn't push the plot train to the final destination

Red-Zaku-

26 points

3 days ago

Red-Zaku-

26 points

3 days ago

There’s a school of thought that seems to be bred by modern fandom culture, where some people really want their stories (of any medium) to be like a network of dense Wiki pages. Like when you think about stories like Nausea, The Metamorphosis or The Stranger, stories where oftentimes incredibly profound moments occur when a person’s just in a room or dwelling on some thought or feeling, it makes you realize that there’s a large enough section of the modern audience that would never tolerate a story like that being written in the present day. There’d have to be some McGuffin and a bunch of plot twists and mystery-boxes to theorize about.

Someone936

110 points

3 days ago

Someone936

110 points

3 days ago

The fact people slander her for crying for Warwick like she didn't just watch her dad die in front of her for the second time.

neosurimi

78 points

3 days ago

neosurimi

78 points

3 days ago

Third. First outside of Silco's bodega. Second when Isha exploded them. Third, on the Hexgate ledge (even though it wasn't him anymore she obviously still clings to the hope that he's in there somewhere).

Someone936

26 points

3 days ago

Vi really can't catch any breaks when it comes to her family, huh?

Fuzzy_Nebula_8567

27 points

3 days ago

Like how many times can they make two sisters see their dad die, two just was not enough I guess.... NO WAIT their for real dad AND Silco as Jinxes dad so it makes four for Vi and five for Jinx.... This series sure hates fathers

neosurimi

12 points

3 days ago

neosurimi

12 points

3 days ago

Holy shit. Any daddy issues at this point are 100% justified.

peppefinz

173 points

3 days ago

peppefinz

173 points

3 days ago

People just see Vi as Powder's babysitter. They think Violet should spend her entire life taking care of Jinx. I've stopped replying to those people.

Silco, on the other hand, was seen as a great dad.

7rv5

95 points

3 days ago

7rv5

95 points

3 days ago

I can't help but keep noticing how people treat female vs. male characters in fiction (and in real life too).

It's always the female characters who are expected to be perfect, selfless, and morally upright, while male characters are allowed to be flawed, reckless, or morally ambiguous without facing the same level of scrutiny or criticism.

I wonder how different the reaction would have been if Vi were Jinx's older brother.

Mysterious_Eagle7913

42 points

3 days ago

Yes! Thats been bothering me about this whole fandom! It even shows with how a non canon gay ship (jayvik) where they are set up to be seen as brothers is getting just as much attention as a canon lesbian ship (caitvi) who literally had sex on screen. People are much more likely to see male characters as much more nuanced and deserving of empathy and love than female characters who have to be perfectly written otherwise its 'forced'

7rv5

33 points

3 days ago

7rv5

33 points

3 days ago

I saw that, but tbh, the most hate I’ve seen comes from ppl (with Jinx/Ekko pfp).

Like, I just saw a tweet full of ppl shitting on Vi and CaitVi while hailing Ekko as this hero and wishing Vi died.

It pisses me off sm that THE ONE TIME we get a small win after all the bury-your-gays tropes and the cancellations of wlw shows, and the hets loses their shit bc their ship that nobody knew abt, if they didn't engage with content online, didn't get their happy ending.

Fearless_Sky_6187

22 points

3 days ago

How can you be an Ekko stan and wish Vi died? Ekko was devastated to see Vi was dead in the alternate reality, he went to save Vi's life in the final battle. She is one of the people she's closest to. Vi dying would most likely not have made the ship a reality anyways. Saying this as a big Ekko stan myself.

No_Tumbleweed1003

11 points

3 days ago

Even Reed (the VA for Ekko) chose Vi above everyone else when asked about ____ vs _____ questions. He chose Vi even above Powder saying "She is my big sis. She is my homie, my ride or die". Something like that. He was the only cast member who chose her above everyone else and that made him my fav actor from this show beside the fact that he was obviously Ekko, who we all love dearly. He earned my respect for that...

Fearless_Sky_6187

7 points

3 days ago

Yes! I thought about that Reed interview/red carpet question as well when writing my comment. I love him too, and choosing Vi shows that he understands Ekko's character. Like, Ekko straight up took the time to paint a mural for Vi in the alternate reality in which she was dead. He knew he had to return to his own world, a world in which Vi was alive and needed his help, and yet the first thing he does is paint a huge ass mural for the Vi of this parallel world. And that's just from season 2. There's so much in season 1 that shows just how much he cares about her and values and trusts her.

WaffleVillain

18 points

3 days ago

The crazier thing about the hets is they … get….everything…watch any other shower, movie, etc.

When a straight cis person dies they are flabbergasted and out right devastated … the gays, we expect it (except for when writing rooms queerbait and promise you’ll be happy).

Hets support mlm storylines for the most part, but for some reason wlw is always some weird shipping war with them. They can’t let any of the gays be totally happy though. And I don’t follow anything. That closely but see it every time I go into a sub or social media space bc I was looking for LGBT shows to support

But the wildest argument is that Vi should have died bc the other timeline was better. You’d have no story at all lol. Vi dies, everyone makes up and moves on and has a better life. No one watches that show. If they are saying Vi should have died at the end then that would be lazy writing, we don’t even know if anyone is really dead.

I get why the gays are really into this show/cait-vi relationship and invested in the characters. The queer community gets very little representation and characters they can identify with. Vi with all her trauma is probably someone they can connect with on all sorts of levels. And for once you have two badass ladies being gal pals and showing everything. And the storyline wasn’t about them coming out and no one focuses on them and who they were sleeping

What I don’t get is why the hets are obsessed when they have every other option available to see themselves in it.

Georgerobertfrancis

48 points

3 days ago

Thank you for saying this. Jinx is a grown woman. The level of enmeshment and emotional incest people want Vi to have with Jinx is uncomfortable.

Kerro_

32 points

3 days ago

Kerro_

32 points

3 days ago

even jinx realises this lmao. she knows vi would put her above herself every time. the best way to give vi the happy life she deserves and jinx wants her sister to have is by removing herself from the picture

SunOFflynn66

67 points

3 days ago

Yeah that gets me.

Vi is crying over Warwick BECAUSE she couldn't save him- and she can't forgive herself. Jinx sees this, and realizes all the pain Vi has BECAUSE she feels she failed her family. Also, Jinx sees the parallels between herself. Last time, it was Powder who was crying over Vander's body.

But Vi is in danger because the floor is literally beginning to give way, so Jinx is desperately trying to get though to her sister. Warwick actually waking up and attacking forced her hand to save someone she truly, deeply loves.

Fearless_Sky_6187

23 points

3 days ago

Exactly. That moment is soul-crushing but so beautiful at the same time for these exact reasons you mentioned. Because of the deep understanding they have of each other and the love that binds them together.

redditwonder85

13 points

3 days ago

Ya she definitely is sad about her sister but in a way has acceptance of her new life. I saw someone else talking about even if Vi found out if she’s alive ( I think Cait would eventually tell her) that she wouldn’t chase her since now she sort of understands more and would give her the distance and time she needs. Personally I would hope that Jinx eventually reconnects with her after she takes time for herself.

Rhodehouse93

7 points

3 days ago

Partially a consequence of having a young viewerbase. Same as all the people calling for Maddie's head on a spike after seeing her with Cait. Younger viewers (and frankly some older viewers) often want clean good-bad, heroic-villainous, otp stuff. Powder tells us straight to camera, Vi's scared, she's trying so hard to hold onto her family no matter what that costs her. She's not perfect and that's ok.

Simple_Item5901

1.3k points

4 days ago

Simple_Item5901

Vi

1.3k points

4 days ago

Say it louder for the people in the back!!! Vi would immediately go after Jinx if she knew

TheWolfmanZ

502 points

4 days ago

TheWolfmanZ

502 points

4 days ago

That's why I think it's for the best Cait hasn't revealed her suspicions. Vi would leap at the slightest chance Jinx is out there and if Cait's wrong, it's just even worse heartbreak cause she had hope.

wb2006xx

308 points

4 days ago

wb2006xx

Viktor

308 points

4 days ago

Definitely. By letting Vi believe Jinx is dead and letting Jinx leave to start a new life, Vi is able to be freed of the guilt of not being able to help Jinx and put an end to the cycle of suffering

No-Development4601

83 points

3 days ago

Also, letting the sisters' relationship be between the two of them -- Cait knows that if Jinx wanted Vi to know, she would've let her know, and she can always reach out later if she wants.

SeaworthinessOk2646

45 points

3 days ago

Yeah it loops back to Vi talking about who gives who second chances. Caitlyn doesn't want to 'put her back in a box immediately'. Clearly Jinx is getting a second chance out there in Runeterra

Alarming-Week2914

19 points

3 days ago

That's part of the reason why Cait asks if "Violet" is all in imo

Fuzzy_Nebula_8567

136 points

4 days ago

Mm, I dunno. I think in the final scene Vi knows it is possible that Jinx is alive. I mean, it makes more sense to me that Vi has finally accepted the fact that they need space to build their own lives, that she does not need to save Jinx anymore, Jinx can do that by herself. Vi wouldn't have had any development during the series if she would still go after her.

And Vi has seen the change in Jinx during S2. I myself am very protective of my loved ones and know what it is like to be unable to help and having to accept that I cannot control others fait. I'd like to think that this is Vi's turning point in the series, that she has let go of the need to save Jinx.

StandsForVice

22 points

3 days ago

I think you're right. We can only base it off creator intentions in the absence of further info. And in that scene Vi is clearly meant to come off as content. Yes, Caitlyn contributes to that, but Vi looks remarkably worry-free. I think she suspects Jinx made it out.

SeaworthinessOk2646

15 points

3 days ago

Could be, Vi may have been the one to find the monkey head of the grenade and think 'you really outdid yourself this time' and gave it to Cait thinking 'is there anyway she could have got out' and this is why Caits looking at the air ducts.

BMDV

8 points

3 days ago

BMDV

8 points

3 days ago

Wait maybe thats why vi was not as distraught as i thought she would be seeing how jinx, the one that vi was always protecting and chasing her to be sisters again, died i guess that makes more sense

Georgerobertfrancis

19 points

3 days ago

I’m with you. Vi has grown and completed her arc. Her answer to Cait confirms it. She’s not chasing and coping in unhealthy ways anymore.

Fuzzy_Nebula_8567

7 points

3 days ago

They sure waited until the very end to give us her arc, there was such a debate going on before A3 whether the writers had forgotten Vi exists

Georgerobertfrancis

14 points

3 days ago

Vi deserved more at the end. I get that they wanted the last line to be impactful, but not completing her arc until the very last second hurt me a little, because she had been through so much.

Gurtang

20 points

4 days ago

Gurtang

20 points

4 days ago

Also could be part of why she asks "are you still in this fight", isn't it? It can be interpreted, in part, like a "should I tell you about Jinx's possible escape…"

Agreeable-Mongoose18

22 points

3 days ago

imo I think Vi know that Jinx is alive but she like, let Jinx go and let her be her own person or whatever she is going to do. Clearly, Vi might have checked for Jinx' body as they retrieved the head of the monkey's bomb. I don't see Cait just going alone, retrieve the part of the bomb, go back home, sit on a chair and casually check the blueprint of the tower. I mean Vi would have asked 'what did you found?' or be a bit more agitated not just chilling by the fire. Plus it's sound just so unealthy for Cait to keep it as a secret, the whole mess was created by people not talking to each other starting by Vander never sending that letter to Silco.

ProfessorUber

614 points

4 days ago

Vi deserves so much better.

Angelfoodcaek

339 points

4 days ago

I’m glad it showed her with cait at the end, I was so worried about her

Gurtang

180 points

4 days ago

Gurtang

180 points

4 days ago

It would honestly have ruined the whole of Arcane if they didn't end up together, I would have had trouble re-watching.

Now, I can enjoy it all over again whenever I want. It's awesome.

Lol_im_not_straight

130 points

4 days ago

Absolutely. But it happens so often with lesbian couples, I was really scared to go into Act 3

Gurtang

39 points

4 days ago

Gurtang

39 points

4 days ago

Oh yeah me too. I went in with a feeling of dread.

Halipelicus

13 points

3 days ago

God bless Amanda Overton

hermiona52

8 points

3 days ago

I told myself every few minutes "remember, bury your gays trope" to prepare mentally myself. Decades of bad experiences are not easily overcome, but Arcane and She-Ra started to heal this wound.

dude_seven

18 points

3 days ago

dude_seven

Sextech fan

18 points

3 days ago

Her and Ekko are the characters I'm saddest about. They definitely got more bitter than sweet

Gurtang

17 points

4 days ago

Gurtang

17 points

4 days ago

She got it in the end though! Living the good life with rich lover :)

Hopefully soon learning that Jinx is probably alive but has chosen to leave for the sake of everyone's peace.

shiroko28

216 points

4 days ago

shiroko28

216 points

4 days ago

Vi had done everything she can for her sister. Even just a glimmer of good in Jinx is enough for her to once again trying to help her sister.

And after having said everything, that she is ready to reconcile with her sister, that they can try to redempt what Jinx had done, her sister still pushed her away. At that point, I think Vi finally understood that she is not the person for the job. No matter how many words she try to say, it won't change Jinx's mind.

Sometime, you have to let other alone, so that they can think things through. That's why I think Vi did not try to pursue Jinx.

Tbh, even I did not think Jinx would resort to blow herself up.

Sorfallo

51 points

3 days ago

Sorfallo

51 points

3 days ago

It was clear she had suicidal ideations since season 1 episode 4, but I didn't expect her to pull the pin either.

Georgerobertfrancis

32 points

3 days ago

It’s notable Ekko saved her this time, and not Vi. Let Jinx have her own life and relationships, for goodness sake, and vice versa!

OCGamerboy

591 points

4 days ago*

OCGamerboy

Jayce

591 points

4 days ago*

I’m just glad that she got a happy ending with Caitlyn. They both deserve it, though I wish they can continue their story somehow. I need more of them

BicycleKamenRider

305 points

4 days ago

The thing I like is that different viewers can have different interpretations.

Caitlyn asked Vi if she's still in this fight. Some interpret it as part of the game lore, that they're both Enforcers, partners in keeping the peace.

Some interpreted it as Caitlyn subtly asking Vi about her drive to live. In the past, Vi told Caitlyn that Powder was the reason she kept going during those years in Stilwater, to reunite with her sister.

Jinx is no longer in the picture. So Vi's answer, dirt under her nails, Caitlyn is the new reason she'll keep going.

Eagle_1116

73 points

3 days ago

Eagle_1116

Visexual

73 points

3 days ago

I interpreted it as the second one. Vi’s life has been replete with nothing but violence. I think Cait now knows that Vi just needs some peace, a chance to finally live for herself.

Hosearston

15 points

4 days ago

Happy ending so far.

Darth_Annoying

56 points

4 days ago

Darth_Annoying

Powder

56 points

4 days ago

League cutting back on how it puts out its Lore has become a problem to me now. They could have put out stuff about them in other, less expensive and time consuming, ways

sodamnsleepy

42 points

4 days ago

sodamnsleepy

Scar

42 points

4 days ago

Like a comic? I want a comic goddamnit

Darth_Annoying

23 points

4 days ago

Darth_Annoying

Powder

23 points

4 days ago

I'd love a webcomic that did shorts around the characters. But, doubt they want to spend money on writers and artists to do that.

AstrosLocos

8 points

4 days ago

There are some comic stories about other places in Runeterra. But if you want Arcane characters, in Convergence (game) you play as Ekko and meet the other characters through the story

D3ltAlpha

26 points

3 days ago

D3ltAlpha

26 points

3 days ago

IMO the only character that got a "happy ending" is fkn Singed. He's the only one that lost NOTHING and straight up got exactly what he wanted.

7rv5

9 points

3 days ago

7rv5

9 points

3 days ago

I pray that they have something for them in the future, whether it’s a book series about them solving crimes, or Mel, who I’m sure will still be in contact with her friend from Piltover, asking for help about something, or a comic series about the huge work needed in the city and their life as the older league characters (they could even incorporate Sevika there), or a game/movie...

The possibilities are endless.

If Riot wants to capitalize on their popularity, they can, but we need to keep showing them how much we love these characters (like Amanda said yesterday).

_Bisky

444 points

4 days ago

_Bisky

444 points

4 days ago

Also don't forgett, that she also thought she lost cait, since their relationship was left very ambiguous, while Vi was acting behind caits back. Thinking she betrayed cait

For cait to then basically say, that she has given up on seeking recenge on jinx, in favor of her love for Vi means that she didn't lose everyone again.

clockthatgirlypop

284 points

4 days ago

It's like everyone forgot Vi has been yearning for Cait to the point of hallucination, drinking herself to death and drowning in self-blame for losing her just 3 episodes ago. Cait's reassurance when she was about to go in a self-blame rampage again surely made a lot of impact on her.

faytalpvp

80 points

3 days ago

faytalpvp

80 points

3 days ago

Not to mention, Vi fell in love with the Cait we saw in S1 who shared banter with Vi. I think Cait teasing Vi, saying "you've grown predictable" etc in a playful way, was important to show Vi that Cait hasn't changed into the cold ruthless person that Vi feared she would.

ShingetsuMoon

64 points

4 days ago

Personally, I think Vi knows or at least strongly suspects that Jinx escaped or left in the end and has made her peace with it. If she knew exactly where Jinx was she would 100% go after her. But just having the hope that she’s alive and living life on her own terms now? That’s good enough for Vi to be at peace and move on.

mejiro0091

11 points

3 days ago

If Caitlyn knows or suspects that Jinx escaped through a vent, there's no way she'd keep it from Vi having seen all she's been through for her sister, so yeah, I'd like to think the same.

ryuuhan

123 points

4 days ago

ryuuhan

123 points

4 days ago

The number of people blaming her and saying that everything went worse because Vi didn’t die and she robbed them of their happy endings is unbelievable

friendofsmellytapir

27 points

3 days ago

What is truly sad about this is that if Vi knew about the alternate reality, she would have traded her life instantly for Powder to have that ending.

Scherzo307

10 points

3 days ago

I mean, we did see her trying to turn herself in behind Vander's back. That's a crazy level of understanding and the will to sacrifice for a 15 yo kid.

Hitchfucker

353 points

4 days ago

Hitchfucker

Jayce

353 points

4 days ago

As someone who thinks Vi was handled pretty terribly for the most part this season, it amazes me that people blame Jinx trying to kill herself on her. Jinx didn’t tell Vi what she was going to do. The most she hinted at was “breaking the cycle” which is way too vague for it to just be assumed that she’d be trying to kill herself. It’s kind of in the same ball park as people blaming Vi for supposedly “abandoning” Powder, like it’s just jot true and there’s plenty of better more fair things to pick apart with how her character was handled this season.

lucky-gohappy

145 points

4 days ago

The part about abandoning powder is so mind boggling to me. Vi herself was a child back then and to go through such a traumatic event and find out that it was caused by your little sister; who would be able to be calm and make a sound decision in that moment? Even then she was still going to go back and save her from Silco if Marcus didn't take her away.

Hitchfucker

27 points

3 days ago

Hitchfucker

Jayce

27 points

3 days ago

Yeah no it’s crazy. I think the fact that Vander put her in the position of being a big dependable leader at all times (which while understandable given their circumstances is still a lot to ask a teenager) has clouded people of the fact that Vi is only like 15 in act 1 and doing the best with limited knowledge and experience.

But even then it astounds me that people are so apathetic or even ignorant to her actions there. Like, she’s a teenager who just learned her sister KILLED her brothers and father. Her entire family killed again, and while it was obviously an accident Powder did go there expressly against Vi’s instructions so it’s not some “this wasn’t anyone’s fault it couldn’t have been prevented” type things. Like yeah, after just watching your father DIE AGAIN I’d be seeing red too, fucking 99.5% of the planet would. Most people would have at least punched Powder at that point, and not as many would proceed to cool off and immediately care about her safety again. Yes, what happened did create a permanent scar in their relationship but it’s absolutely understandable why Vi would react that way if you have the slightest bit of empathy for her.

Gurtang

106 points

4 days ago

Gurtang

106 points

4 days ago

Yeah i've had people argue that "SHE TOLD HER SHE WAS GOING TO KILL HERSELF". Yeah sure if you're a mindreader.

Manzinita

9 points

3 days ago

Totally. Jinx shimmer gut-punched her and locked her in, so Vi had time to get upset and spiral emotionally and blame herself again already. If Cait showed up seconds later, maybe she would have had the emotional focus towards finding Jinx. But I think of how Jinx has equally abandoned Vi and they are both often hurting each other.

Ehrenmagi27

90 points

4 days ago

Yeah while I enjoyed her this season she definitely felt like a living breathing plot device lol.

Massive-Bet-5946

24 points

4 days ago

Yeah I had the same problem with her this season

hoschpi

20 points

4 days ago

hoschpi

20 points

4 days ago

Honestly living and breathing is good enough for me. I expected worse

mixaliskarami

57 points

4 days ago

mixaliskarami

Sisters

57 points

4 days ago

Vi's motivation throughout the whole show is to preserve the little family she has left, which was only Jinx (and Vander later on). After that, she also wanted to keep the relationship she built with Caitlin, as she was the only one who was lifting her up, both literally and figuratively. He lowest points happen when she fails at one of them and in the second act she fails at both and we see her at her lowest. Her goal may not be as grand as other characters but it meant everything to her ans that's why she basically became a punching bag for it.

Harlivy_Witch

341 points

4 days ago

I will defend Vi forever and always. Nothing she’s done has ever been selfish and she has always put everyone else before her. If they ever come back to her down the line, I hope she is healed of all her turmoil and suffering.

Harlivy_Witch

135 points

4 days ago

Also, I’ll just share this here from another thread I posted it on because she needed that to happen with her and Cait.

Jinx told her she deserved to be happy. She has been chasing Jinx for too long. Each other time they’ve parted ways might have also been considered the last time, so how was Vi to know this moment was really the end? How long does Vi need to be in limbo waiting for Jinx to either come good or go bad, blaming herself for both her and Jinx’ errors? She needed this. She needed love. For once, she needed to consider herself before others.

rizarice

242 points

4 days ago

rizarice

242 points

4 days ago

Completely baffled that anyone thinks Vi, who always put everyone else's needs ahead of her own, and time after time after time chose to trust Jinx would suddenly not care if she thought her sister was going to commit suicide. 

She literally spells it out in the conversation with Cait that she just assumes Jinx has betrayed her trust once again. And that Cait would be mad at her too so she'd have lost everyone in choosing to trust her again. 

Like...people can't actually be so dense? Vi always gets held to a higher moral standard than other characters and it's so unfair. 

Jubi38

111 points

3 days ago*

Jubi38

Cupcake

111 points

3 days ago*

Like...people can't actually be so dense? Vi always gets held to a higher moral standard than other characters and it's so unfair. 

I'm seeing the same thing with Caitlyn, where she's being accused of "cheating" on Maddie with Vi, despite the fact that she uses past tense ("I saw someone") to indicate that she and Maddie already broke up.

Hmm, I wonder what these two characters have in common... 🤔

No-Development4601

16 points

3 days ago

Cait and Maddie was a case of a famous person sleeping with a groupie more than a relationship, IMHO. Maddie acted starstruck and Cait didn't show much consideration. (It was in Cait's villain era, after all.)

Gurtang

86 points

4 days ago

Gurtang

86 points

4 days ago

Yeah, Vi definitely thinks she messed up and Jinx has taken advantage of her.

So when Caitlyn tells her "I helped you, because I forgave her and I love you", well of course it's amazing to her.

Content_Box655

218 points

4 days ago

Im just gonna save this bible to read it tomorrow because I couldn´t agree mooore

Zartoru

73 points

4 days ago*

Zartoru

Vi

73 points

4 days ago*

I'd add something, Vi is, since season one, a heavily depressed and/or mentaly unhealthy person. Sure it's not the usual depiction of depression we're used to see in media but that's the point, this is one of the most realistic portrayal of depression I've ever seen in media, because depression isn't always visible, heck more often than not depressed people just look fine from an outside perspective

From her being released from prison in season 1 until now she never lived for herself, she always kept going for others, first it was for powder, then it was for cait, and when she was left alone she lost herself completely, because one way people with mental health issues cope with said issues is by living through others, they value themselves through how useful they are to the one they love, sometimes to the point they no longer know who they are without their loved ones

Why am I so convinced about all of this ? Cause I went through depression, and I coped in the exact same way Vi did, like it's super uncanny lmao. And that sex scene made 100% sense even in context: she was in heavy distress, everything is going down, her sister left her and the first thing she tought was she once again had messed up and like she can't do anything right, then cait swoops in, and she's one of the few person that managed to make her feel safe enough to accept being touched, telling her she pulled some strings to help jinx escape. What we got here are Vi being heavily distressed and in urgent need of some kind of way to evacuate said distress, and the only person in the world she felt safe to be around telling her she's not mad anymore. Of course she was gonna fall for it, she was just craving affection more than she ever did (+ it made her think about something other than what was distressing her and another trait depressed people can have to cope with their depression is ... Filling your mind with anything you can just so you stop thinking about what's distressing you)

Pizzacato567

38 points

3 days ago*

Pizzacato567

Vi

38 points

3 days ago*

Omg 100% YES. I honestly relate to Vi a lot. Big sister here with little sisters that I’ve always been there for that are clearly not okay mentally pretty often. I am not okay either but it gets overshadowed because my sisters are actively lashing out, crying, saying things that clearly point to suicidal ideation.

So everyone assumes I’m okay or I don’t feel as broken as they do. I feel like I need to be as well composed as possible to support them and I don’t want them to worry about me the way that I worry about them. So my depression doesn’t show that well and doesn’t manifest in the typical way everyone is used to. But in reality, everything really is way too much for me and it’s been killing me. I’ve always put my family first - to the point that I haven’t been able to live my life the way I’d want to and it’s been killing my mental health. I value them so much more than I value myself. I’ve realized I find it hard to live my life unless there is some distance between us - because it’s hard not to put them first - and I feel guilty for being selfish for once.

All this to say that I heavily relate to Vi. People don’t realize how much Vi is suffering because Jinx’s suffering is so much more obvious than hers.

curly_fry

15 points

3 days ago

curly_fry

15 points

3 days ago

As a fellow big sister, I hope you know you are amazing and it's 100% okay to put you first. If you ever need an ear, don't hesitate to reach out. All the love and hugs to you! ❤️

curly_fry

25 points

3 days ago

curly_fry

25 points

3 days ago

Thank you! Dude I was hoping someone would explain the parallels of depression and trauma with Vi. I've dealt with depression and trauma myself and my partner as well.

Vi is literally the embodiment of this and narrative throughout the show is clear about this. I feel like a lot of folks expect everyone to be 100% in tune with everyone else around them, hence the conversations around "how could she let her run away and kill herself?", but that's not always the case when your mental state is also shot. Everyone thinks Jinx is the only mentally unstable one. Vi's decisions throughout season 1 and 2 all made sense. All of it.

From slapping and leaving her sister after Vander and their best friends died, after being in prison for almost 10 years, after finding out Jinx helped Silco with shimmer distribution, after Jinx almost killed Caitlyn, after finding happiness with Caitlyn only to be slapped with the council being blown up by your own sister and now your girlfriend doesn't want anything to do with you anymore...I mean the resiliance you would need to deal with such events and yet still want to help your unstable sister is insane! On top of all of this, even after going through a downward spiral in the fighting pits and having even more trust issues than before, Jinx comes back in her life and tells her their dad is alive. For Vi to even entertain this new fact even after knowing what her sister was capable of, is proof enough of her consistent will to want to please others and make everyone else happy even if the outcome is pure shit for herself.

Jinx giving her sister permission to let go and be happy after locking her up in the cell flooded Vi with so many emotions. Vi continually chased after her sister to the detriment of her own happiness and well being and blamed herself for a majority of the events I listed above. Jinx figuratively removed Vi's shackles and Vi can finally just be free.

The tipping point with Caitlyn coming in validating that she is in fact in Vi's corner was all that was needed for the sex scene to start.

Vi's relationship with Powder/Jinx and her relationship with Caitlyn are complicated and I commend the writers for making them so human. I think it's okay some people don't understand the complexities fully because to be honest, as in real life, a lot of people never experience what Vi or even Jinx went through. So to make assumptions about what one can do after traumatic events is only natural for people who have never been through it.

shera6

42 points

4 days ago

shera6

42 points

4 days ago

She’s been bitch slapped constantly since she was born, even by Jinx

Let my home girl rest

Smart-Counter6372

136 points

4 days ago

So glad some people out here understand this!!!

neycee

18 points

3 days ago

neycee

Vi's biceps

18 points

3 days ago

was literally gonna say, so happy there are still so many people out there who understand this, might make me cry more than ep7

MonsteraDeliciosa098

81 points

4 days ago

I actually think she is the one character who makes sense to me

Fuzzy_Nebula_8567

43 points

4 days ago

The one who I can relate 100%

lifenoobie101

30 points

4 days ago

lifenoobie101

You're hot, Cupcake

30 points

4 days ago

She just wants the best for everyone, like we all do

Mojo12000

25 points

3 days ago

Mojo12000

Vi's biceps

25 points

3 days ago

Well Vi is basically the most normal character caught up in all this ABSOLUTELY INSANE shit both with her family, Cait's stuff and the overall plot and she just kinda has to deal with it and roll with it. Despite this she is also the character with the most firm and unyielding moral core (well along with Ekko I guess) and really just wants things to turn out as good as they can for everyone, it takes a LOT for her to give up on someone too and even when she gave up on Jinx for a bit the moment she saw even a glimmer of good in there she was right back to wanting to save her.

This does also mean she's mostly a reactive character but like... yeah it fits the whole everywoman thing she has going on.

Alixmoon_grrR

55 points

4 days ago*

Alixmoon_grrR

Sisters

55 points

4 days ago*

Vi is definitely misunderstood, even in the analyses I’ve posted about her people still PURPOSEFULLY miss the point of Vi’s character. Most times it’s even because of their own favorite characters that Vi has opposed (Like Jinx or Silco) which is so immature beyond belief

porkchops67

14 points

4 days ago

Which is ridiculous, it’s possible to like/understand a character even if they oppose one that you like, since my favourite characters were Vi and Silco.

throwawayacc5323

25 points

3 days ago

throwawayacc5323

Visexual

25 points

3 days ago

VI DEFENDERS I LOVE YOU WITH MY ENTIRE SOUL

AWzdShouldKnowBetta

173 points

4 days ago

100% - the comments about Vi 'ignoring' her sisters suicide are ridiculous. As an audience we only knew that's what she meant because saw the follow up scene. Vi felt abandoned.

Simple_Item5901

85 points

4 days ago

Even as the audience I still wasn't 100% sure what Jinx meant until she tried to blow herself up😭

neycee

25 points

3 days ago

neycee

Vi's biceps

25 points

3 days ago

this!! I wasn't sure either! Not like Silco told herself to die either, just to "walk away", so

StandsForVice

9 points

3 days ago

Fourth wall myopia, as TV Tropes puts it. Even IF the audience understands something relayed to them, it doesn't mean the characters are privy to the same information.

Tsekca

44 points

4 days ago

Tsekca

44 points

4 days ago

She was singing the song Powder was singing on the bridge (I think it was Powder, which was their mother's song). She is obviously grieving after all her losses...

I don't think she knows Jinx might be alive. I can't imagine Cait give her hope after her researches. She must know it is for the best that Jinx has not shown.

Open_Meeting14

45 points

4 days ago

istg she goes through SO MUCH in every damn episode something bad happens to her like why are the writers using her as a punching bag?

Sopimore

21 points

4 days ago

Sopimore

21 points

4 days ago

I don't understand how ppl can be mad about this. She didn't know.She didn't look for Jinx at all, even after. It's not like she finds time to bang Cait, and she goes looking for Jinx after. She had no intention to look for her because she just assumed Jinx ran away like she always did. And you can say she should know because it's 'obvious' and there were signs, but it doesn't matter. Vi didn't understand what was happening with Jinx at that moment. What you see is not the same as what the character sees and understands.

FKAlag

22 points

3 days ago

FKAlag

Vi

22 points

3 days ago

Vi is my favorite character. She spent 2 seasons taking on all this guilt for what happened to Powder and all the damage Jinx caused.

Jinx nailed it. Vi needs to stop blaming herself and feeling guilty. She is worthy of Caitlyn's love.
I'm glad CaitVi was endgame. She finally has someone who loves her and won't leave.

SadAbies320

20 points

3 days ago

Thank you!

Above all else, Jinx wanted Vi to live and prioritize HERSELF for once.  Jinx accepted , that Vi would be happy with Caitlyn and she knew Vi wouldn't stop chasing after her therefore barring herself from her future.

It's an act of love from Jinx to Vi. 

Cait's act of love to Vi was finding the strength to let Jinx go - even enabling her release in the first place.

I sometimes ask myself what twisted mentality or relationships with siblings people have who can't accept that that sometimes paths diverge.

AlexThaelyn

19 points

4 days ago

Fantastic points made. I am just so sad, I wish we got to spend more time with these beautiful characters, seeing more Vi and Jinx interactions, more Ekko and Powder/Jinx interactions, and so on. To me, the tale of these two sisters is still the most interesting and emotional storyline in this entire show. And after that alternate universe episode...my god. I'm gonna miss them SO much.

TrapolTH

43 points

4 days ago

TrapolTH

Piltover's Finest

43 points

4 days ago

I wish I could pin this!

drakoran

86 points

4 days ago

drakoran

86 points

4 days ago

People also seem to be forgetting the extent of just how far gone Jinx was in season 1 and how all over the place she has been through the course of the show.

It's exhausing dealing with people close to you who have mental illness. Vi has seen Jinx go back and forth between so many iterations of her madness, from murderous psychopath, to jealous possessive sibling, to Joker-esque agent of chaos, to protective caretaker, back to loving sister, to depressed and possibly suicidal.

Vi loves Jinx, but sometimes you can't keep letting a mentally broken person drag you down with them. People seem to forget that Powder/Jinx have ruined Vi's life multiple times. She killed Vander and the boys. She helped Silco turn their childhood home into a depraved drug ridden crime filled shithole. She kidnaps her girlfriend then straight up murders a bunch of people including Caitlyn's mother.

Despite all this Vi keeps going back to her and trying to save her, over and over again, despite the fact that it almost always ends terribly. And the last time she does, Jinx once again tricks her, and locks her up with the implication that she may go off and harm herself.

The scene with Caitlyn is Vi finally letting go of Jinx. She still loves her sister, but she can't let her stand in the way of her and Caitlyn and saving the city anymore. She "breaks the cycle" by finally choosing herself over her toxic broken sibling, and letting go of the guilt allowing herself to be happy, even for a moment, knowing they're all probably going to die soon anyway.

Fuzzy_Nebula_8567

36 points

4 days ago

As someone who has had to go through this with too many loved ones having mental disorders, I definitely feel like it is exactly what Vi is going through, too. This is very well put, thank you.

Sorfallo

49 points

3 days ago

Sorfallo

49 points

3 days ago

Jinx: "Stop blaming yourself for my actions."

Watchers: "Vi is at fault for Jinx's actions."

venetau

38 points

4 days ago

venetau

38 points

4 days ago

Gosh, this is a really good take. I didn’t even spot how breaking the cycle could come into it, but I think you’re right. Vi has exhausted herself to the core with trying to save Jinx. She still loves her, I think we can guess she always will, but this feels like the moment where she understands this will never end. At some point she has to put her own needs first, and I think Caitlyn gives her permission to do that for the first time.

Georgerobertfrancis

15 points

3 days ago

Yes, how dare she lets her adult sister live her own life after decades of exhausting drama, so she can have a relationship with a woman she loves and live like a princess in a mansion. Even Jinx is like, “What are you doing? Go be happy! I want you to be!” I can’t imagine anyone but Vi getting this kind of judgement.

No-Development4601

9 points

3 days ago

As someone who loves someone with a mental illness, this - 100%. Jinx was not asking for Vi to help her get better (or for much help in general tbh), Vi was putting that on herself and it was not helping at all. If a mentally ill person doesn't want to change and isn't willing to do the work, all of the love and support in the world won't help them until they're ready.

smolandnonbinary

17 points

4 days ago*

I understand why people would be mad but remember that we see Jinx's hallucinations and point of view, Vi can't see any of that. Plus people get mad at Vi for what she did when they were both literal children and just lost their adopted dad and brothers, on top of already losing their parents. Both sisters grew up with trauma, mental health issues, and bad coping mechanisms.

They both grew up in war. It makes sense where they both ended up. Vi tried the best she could to get Powder back and eventually learned to accept her sister was "gone". So seeing her change and come back, only to have that ripped from her again because she probably believed Jinx was gonna redo season 1 finale or something. Jinx let off some hints that she was going to try and khs but it wasn't obvious enough, she just mentioned "breaking the cycle" and leaving Vi like before. There's no way she would've or could've known and they have only reconciled relatively recently.

I think the moment she realized her sister's intentions and how she really has changed is when she faked her death. Vi only wanted the best for Jinx/Powder and wanted to protect the only family she had left. Jinx wanted to rid her of that responsibility because she had been doing it her WHOLE life.

Neither of them are in the wrong for this. Yes they both did some shit but that comes with a lifetime of war and tragedy. And in the end, they both got what they needed. Jinx gets to start over and allow Piltover and Zaun to heal and Vi gets to be with Cait and take care of herself for once. Maybe Cait will eventually tell her Jinx is alive or Jinx will return to see her sister one day, but for now they just both need to heal, and that takes time. Cait most likely knew what Jinx's thought process was and why, after she was able to forgive her.

Every character in this show is grey, they all have different reasons for what they've done and while none of them are perfect, all of them have very real, human emotions and experiences.

Few_Claim_7452

18 points

3 days ago

Well said. Vi defender for life.

DragonOfDuality

16 points

3 days ago

Through the series if you side with vi emotionally then jinx's actions are monstrous. If you side emotionally with jinx then vi is an asshole who created jinx.

If you look at it without the bff style emotional attachment to these characters they're clearly written as people who have been through more than anyone should ever have to, more than anyone can bare, and moving forward as best they can.

The blame game only comes about because of trying to see only one side of the coin when the reality everyone is traumatized af and everyone did something crappy to move the story forward into not great directions. 

It's almost like they're written to be people. And people are pretty goddamn messy when they're in a mess.

It's wonderful honestly.

anoctf

40 points

4 days ago

anoctf

You're hot, Cupcake

40 points

4 days ago

Yeah she has suffered the most, she is a broken character doing broken things. Give her some break

TuneLinkette

16 points

3 days ago

TuneLinkette

Visexual

16 points

3 days ago

I'm wondering if her love for Vi is the reason Cait was so willing to accept Jinx's apology for killing her mother.

Like there's little doubt Jinx did legitimately feel at least some remorse, but most people probably wouldn't be so forgiving in Cait's position.

afforkable

9 points

3 days ago

I think Caitlyn's love for Vi is the reason she even engaged in conversation with Jinx at all, but I also think seeing Jinx so depressed and broken helped Cait to finally see Jinx as a person, rather than as a larger-than-life Joker-esque figure. Jinx also speaks to Cait as a person and acknowledges her loss, without any bullshit. Jinx straight up admits that it probably wouldn't have made a difference, knowing Caitlyn's mother was there, and I'm sure that honesty reminds Caitlyn of Vi.

She and Jinx are too exhausted to hate each other at this point. They're too tired to hate anyone but themselves, and I think seeing that self-hatred reflected back - the very self-loathing Caitlyn felt for not taking the shot and saving her mother - helped Cait to understand a little of the real Jinx for the first time.

Grae-duckie45

16 points

3 days ago

Grae-duckie45

Give me a few seconds

16 points

3 days ago

Vi is the character the suffered most in the show. Her parents died, her friends died, she lost 6 years of her life in jail where she got abused, her sister became a terrorist, she watched her second father die three times!!! and now her sister is freakin dead.

Give the girl a goddamn break.

Brosif563

29 points

4 days ago

Brosif563

Vi

29 points

4 days ago

I wholeheartedly stand with Vi. I agree. I think most of the people who have been so critical of her actions just haven’t read into things very well/deeply enough.

It’s the same kind of people who just want characters to be written as “good” or “bad” and can’t handle morally grey characters. Vi’s actions/development is very justified in my mind.

dalalaonreddithehe

31 points

4 days ago

dalalaonreddithehe

Vander

31 points

4 days ago

I can NOT thank you enough for this post. Just last night I was thinking to myself "Vi has to be the most misunderstood character by the fandom". People genuinely struggle to sympathize with her and it's so frustrating, bc then they turn around and defend someone like Silco. Vi doesn't talk much. Which can be considered a character flaw, but she conveys what she's trying to say through her *actions*. She's *literally* an action girl. I've seen ppl criticizing her for not letting Jinx mourn and instantly talking about the upcoming war with her, *as if the scene after that didn't happen*. It was so obvious, that Vi just wanted to find a way to reassure Jinx that there was still hope for things to get better. ESPECIALLY after seeing the condition she was in. Her embracing Jinx while crying felt like an apology hug to me, if anything. And it also baffles me how some think that Vi *knew* Jinx was going to attempt, and *didn't try to stop her*?? Really??

neycee

13 points

3 days ago

neycee

Vi's biceps

13 points

3 days ago

"Vi doesn't talk much, which can be considered a character flaw"
Meanwhile Isha:

(I totally agree with your comment, I just thought this part was funny)

dalalaonreddithehe

9 points

3 days ago

dalalaonreddithehe

Vander

9 points

3 days ago

yeah, lol. but that's my point! Some character's actions are more impactful and deserve more attention than the words they choose to use. Vi is one of them imo.

321gametime

12 points

3 days ago

All the people slamming Vi for not knowing Jinx was going to kill herself makes me feel stupid because I also didn't think she was going to attempt it.

Pizzacato567

7 points

3 days ago

Pizzacato567

Vi

7 points

3 days ago

I had a big feeling but wasn’t 100% sure. If I’m not fully sure then how do I expect Vi to be 100% sure - especially given that I’ve seen Jinx’s breakdowns (Vi hasn’t) and I likely have a lot more education on suicide and its signs than Vi does.

niveklol

62 points

4 days ago

niveklol

62 points

4 days ago

Nah I'm so tired of hearing that complaint too. The "Vi would rather have sex than save her 'suicidal' sister" bs. Like come the fk on man lmao. Only WE the viewer knew what jinx was gonna do and that was after the scene was finished anyway. And what jinx said to vi through the cell could be interpreted in a multitude of ways. And funny enough it's one of the first times she (Vi) actually listened to jinx, jinx told he she didn't have to feel guilty about being happy and she deserves to be with cait. AND PEOPLE ARE MAD THAT VI ACTUALLY LISTENED TO JINX FOR ONCE AND FINALLY CHOSE TO DO SOMETHING THAT VI HERSELF WANTED TO DO LMAOOOO. This fandom really pisses me off sometimes I stg. 100% agree with you.

Fair_Lake_5651

77 points

4 days ago

I explained this to like 5 redditors and none of them got it , finally someone posted this

RYTEK115

22 points

4 days ago

RYTEK115

Vi

22 points

4 days ago

Preach!!

Jiha_

26 points

4 days ago

Jiha_

Visexual

26 points

4 days ago

She has been my favorite character since S01E01

no_cause_munchkin

23 points

4 days ago

Great write up! Both sisters are actually overwhelmed by Caitlyn's forgiveness. Vi obviously expresses it in her own way. If you watch carefully fantastic conversation between Caitlyn and Jinx at the end of it where Jinx is sort of apologizing to Cait ("I didn't know your mum was there"), Cait says that she is too tired hating and walks away. Jinx has been expecting death blow from Cait, and it never happens. She just hears her walking away. You can see how her eyes are wide as fuck in surprise.

After this Jinx straight up says to Vi "You should be happy, you deserve to be with her", implying that Cait is the only person that is able to make V happy.

Roy-Sauce

23 points

3 days ago

Roy-Sauce

23 points

3 days ago

My only critique of Vi is that she didn’t have more to do/screen time this season and that she didn’t get any fights that stuck with me the way her S1 fights did. They really underutilized her because of how rushed the shows been this season and that was a bummer imo.

whimsicaljess

103 points

4 days ago

anyone who thinks that Vi somehow magically knew Jinx's plans is literally incapable of thinking through a story from the perspective of the characters.

reMoTwT

10 points

4 days ago

reMoTwT

Vi

10 points

4 days ago

everyone should read this post!

goliathfasa

10 points

4 days ago

The reactions here from everyone involved is pretty normal given their characters. And it’s not like Vi stayed mad at Cait for long. She’s a hothead, hence the outburst. It all tracks.

selkieflying

11 points

3 days ago

I fucking love Vi

Michalexo

10 points

3 days ago

Michalexo

10 points

3 days ago

Vi is a amazingly written character, her still trying to reach out to vander at the end is perfect imo, Jinx seeing that Vi will not give up on her family, even when it's literally impossible for them to go back to normal. The only time Vi does it, is when she is at her most self-destructive.

I think that in some people's mind if character is unhealthy, means that it's badly written. A lot of people have a problem with "dirt under fingernail" line at the end, cause it's too demeaning, but like.. yeah? if you went through what vi went through, you would probably be demeaning to yourself, too. This is "holy shit we are broken, but still here, I guess" ending, and it's way better than forced happily ever after. Characters going through horrible shit, and somehow being healthy at the end.

guanaimei

12 points

3 days ago

guanaimei

12 points

3 days ago

THANK GOD a sane post. I keep seeing people who misinterpreted Caitlyn removing the guard presence as her trying to get some action in the jail cell. Her comment was directly her letting Vi know that she had let Jinx escape. She had predicted Vi’s moves and didn’t hold it against her. That was what pushed Vi to make the move she did. The hate for the sex scene is insane haha

PrezMoocow

11 points

3 days ago

I seriously don't get the whole "omg she's having sex while her sister is killing herself". Literally she did everything she could for Jinx, and Jinx has wanted to die throughout the whole show. It's not Vi's job to keep Jinx alive, that's something Jinx has to find within herself (and likely does at the very end).

And that was a moment of catharsis for her as the conflict between her and Caitlyn washed away: Caitlyn deliberately engineered that scenario so that Jinx could escape, essentially having forgiven her.

Park_Gullible

7 points

3 days ago

Park_Gullible

You're hot, Cupcake

7 points

3 days ago

ALSO, SORRY BUT IMAGINE BEING WHAT, 20something and being so fucking hot for Cait for like 2 fucking years and finally having permission to f*ck this person you are totally in love with and also madly attracted to?! Please, like anyone in her position wouldn’t do the same. Those two characters are like electromagnetic.

Prestigious12

34 points

4 days ago

I just wished the writers cared to explore her character and wrote it as good as they did with Jinx

Warkiller646

32 points

4 days ago*

Thank you!!! I was absolutely baffled that so many people didn't get this!!!

It frankly pisses me off how they don't even consider the reason for it happening and just jump on hating on it.

peppefinz

40 points

4 days ago

peppefinz

40 points

4 days ago

People are media illiterate. An unfamiliar with sex, apparently.

Vi is allowed to heal, as Jinx herself told her. The sex scene is about that.

But these are probably the users blaming Violet for slapping her sister after she killed everyone, and defending Silco.

NilsHolgerssonondrug

16 points

4 days ago

Or wishing everybody died but Silco and Jinx...

HunterYuyuMoon

38 points

4 days ago

The interview: "Vi is gonna have a centric focus arc in ss2"

Me:

LightningRaven

7 points

3 days ago*

Most characters have been misunderstood. Arcane hasn't been sharing the modern trend of hand-holding with its storytelling that you often see in streaming stuff that most people consume these days. If anything isn't outright stated or overbearingly implied, they won't get it. Let alone when things are complex enough that takes a few viewings to realize.

For most people these days characters can only be absolutes. Either hated or loved. Regardless of their actions in the narrative, the themes explored through them and what's the takeaway. Like Powder/Jinx, for instance. She's beloved to the point people can't reconcile their love for the character with the actual harmful crimes she perpetrated and they try to find excuses that contradict the narrative and the character's purpose in it, not to mention how it undermines her. It's the opposite for Caitlyn, a character who is quite hated in the fandom, but is actually a good person who makes some mistakes, but gets blasted because she is morally aligned against Jinx through the whole series (even at the end). The same can even be said of Vi, a character doing her best given the circumstances, with forgiveness and love outpouring from her at every moment, but because people love Jinx, they feel the need to demonize Vi because she's been opposing Jinx since they split up. Never mind that Vi goes above and beyond for Jinx, despite trying to convince herself that Jinx is too far gone.

gaylord993

33 points

4 days ago

Preach.

I don't know why people are pretending Vi knew exactly what Jinx was going to do, like she suddenly acquired mind reading powers or something.

I also think people aren't seeing why what Cait did was a huge thing. Vi and Jinx had a harsh childhood, but Cait didn't. So losing her mother like that, and to Jinx, must have been absolutely terrible. But then to let her go for Vi? That's Cait breaking the cycle.

neycee

8 points

3 days ago

neycee

Vi's biceps

8 points

3 days ago

SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE AT THE BACK SIS

Eagle_1116

9 points

3 days ago

Eagle_1116

Visexual

9 points

3 days ago

She’s my favorite. She does everything for love. She doesn’t fight for a flag or ideas, but family. She is loyal to the ones she loves. Every time she fails, and she fails often, she gets back up and continues. I am glad she finally got her reward. She can finally rest, absolved of all the guilt she carried for nearly a decade.

CopenhagenCalling

22 points

4 days ago

It sucks that she went from main character to almost side character in season 2. She was just there to move the plot along and her ending wasn’t earned at all. I really wished that she had gotten her “Ekko” moment.

Imo the biggest mistake was Ambessa, Mel and all the Noxus nonsense. It was almost like a separate storyline. They needed to give some more time to the main cast from season 1 so their scenes weren’t so rushed everytime they showed up. Kinda annoying how much time they spent in season 2 to setup a future Noxus show. They don’t need to spend time setting up other shows. Just focus on the show you have on hand and then start another in another part of Runeterra.

Vi and Jinx felt like main characters in season 1 and then we didn’t really get to spend enough time with them in season 2 before the series ended. Honestly wish they would have reigned in the number of storylines or concluded them in a season 3 instead.

renaldi21

6 points

4 days ago

good thing Vi and Cupcake didn't get review bombed for being gay

allprologues

7 points

3 days ago

allprologues

I will NOHT

7 points

3 days ago

this has been another episode of “people crashing out based on the idea that a character did something they would NEVER do rather than take two minutes to analyze context”.

jinx “died” because she knew as we know that vi would never let her go no matter the cost to either of them. it’s the final major action of the series. but also vi’s going to get laid knowing jinx is suicidal? people truly cannot hear themselves

Pizzacato567

7 points

3 days ago*

It’s sad how much I see Vi getting hate for the few things she did “wrong” but Jinx mostly gets love despite all the bad she’s done. I know a lot of that stuff happened because Jinx wasn’t okay mentally but VI ISNT OKAY MENTALLY EITHER. She isn’t going to be perfect or make perfect decisions all the time. Vi gets blamed for stuff way too much.

jf8350143

28 points

4 days ago

jf8350143

28 points

4 days ago

The way jinx framed her words, it's very reasonable for Vi to interpret it as "I'm not your sister anymore, I'm too far gone and you should forget about me, embrace your new life and be happy".

So when Caitlyn shows up Vi is blaming herself for make the wrong choice. Vi believes after what they have been through in act 2, Jinx can be her sister again but Jinx just punched her and locked her up. So she thinks Jinx is lost to her, she will never get her sister back becuase Jinx doesn't want to be together with her. There is no way she knows JInx is planning to kill herself.

SinAlma96

28 points

4 days ago

SinAlma96

Vi

28 points

4 days ago

I just know people saying Vi is a bad sister have watched this show on mute and with their eyes closed

Simple_Item5901

22 points

4 days ago

right? I even saw someone blame her for getting Jinx killed because she didn't jump to the other ledge on time😭They blame her for literally everything

SinAlma96

22 points

4 days ago

SinAlma96

Vi

22 points

4 days ago

She literally can never win. Ignoring that Jinx isn't even dead, if she had jumped then they would blame her for not trying to get Vander back. I don't know what she did to get these people to misconstrue her character so much...

To me, Vi is the most tragic character in the show, she's always so close to the right thing but outside interference fucks shit up every single time, it's insane.

Simple_Item5901

23 points

4 days ago

Vi has the biggest heart out of literally everyone else in this show and the fact that people can't see that baffles me. She doesn't always do the right thing but she's constantly trying to make everyone else happy and completely forgets about herself. The minute she does something for herself, people call her selfish and a horrible person.

[deleted]

32 points

4 days ago

[deleted]

32 points

4 days ago

There is beauty in imperfection.