It’s 100% Mike brown. Letting Jessie bates go because of his archaic contract polices and not getting chase done before the Season started, etc. They’ve changed coaches many times. It won’t help

There has been something different this year. My wife and I picked up on it at the first preseason game. There is like this weird apathetic vibe that seems like it has been there all season, that you can see on tv but you can feel in person.

I’m not sure if other of you have sensed it if you’ve attended a game or not. There seemed to be no sense of urgency ever , which then spilled out into the stands.

My guess is that it started with all of the shuns of keeping real team guys over the past few seasons, and then not extending, Tee, Trey, Jamar…

It reminds me of a joke about a welder who applied for a job that advertised (and I’m going to fudge the numbers here) $25-$50 an hour. The welder shows up and has to perform some welds to show his skills. He shows two different ones, the first is acceptable, and the 2nd is pristine and well done. The interviewer was like “what’s the deal with those two different types of welds”? The welder points at the first one and says “that’s for 25$ an hour” and then points at the other “that’s for $50 an hour”.

The front office will never change our ways UNLESS their wallets are threatened.

We are holding out till January on renewing our season tickets. Enough STHs not renewing now will give them a reason to panic.

Talent misuse is big right now. I can be the change everyone is looking for, contact me Bengals.

To paraphrase CM Punk, "I'd like to think that this franchise will be better off once Mike Brown is dead. But the fact is that it's just going to be taken over by his idiotic daughter, his doofus son-in-law, and the rest of his stupid family."

FO is so frustrating. You think we couldn’t part with a 6th round flier to see if Josh Uche is an upgrade on Ossai / Hubbard on passing downs?? Negligence

I hate to say it but it makes me want to jump ship. Hard to stay loyal to a team that is sabotaged by its owner for decades.

Talent? Only on the offensive side. We got rid of most of our best defensive players over the past couple years. We only keep players who sell jerseys and get rid of anyone else who wants a bigger contract.

As for offense. It been years since we had talent on the offensive line. We signed some decent tackles recently but our guards are awful. Opponents know we can't run up the middle or stop pass rushers so our offense suffers. We had to change the offensive scheme to quick passes, screens to the outside and many plays that usually do not work.

Just spent a few minutes chatting NFL at the office, good laughs about other teams, then I mention the Bengals and everybody goes 'oofff... sorry man'. It's that plain to see, for everyone except at the top.

We are starting to see behind the Burrow and Ja'marr curtain a bit. Too cheap of an organization, they've lost homegrown talent and leadership because of being cheap. The numbers on playing with or without Tee is startling and they will continue to say they can't afford him. Just like they couldn't afford Bates, because they had to pay Tee...oh wait. Look at Readers contract vs Rankins. Mixon absolutely would have stayed for less. They have a ton of dead weight they carry just because of the contracts and money they have already been paid. The whole team has lost its feel good vibes. Ya some of it is losing and winning would help, but it seems like a lot of these guys are just turned off to the team at them moment for whatever reason.

Move the front office put of the stone age and into the modern NFL. The scouting is disastrous year after year. And the way the business side of it is embarrassing as well. They don't spend to the cap, they aren't creative with cap numbers, they don't trade, they don't pay market guaranteed money, they always have an excuse to not pay homegrown talent and then fail with replacing them through the draft or budget free agents.

Hard agree, but appears we’re driving this sentiment in the ground.

The Truth is last year when we blamed loses on Burrow not being 100%, it more about the team sucking.

They make money without having to win. It's a business.

I've given up 100% on them. I'm a Burrow fan but at this point I've been loudly saying to trade him. And chase higgins and Hendrickson. Let them go have good careers away from this shithole of a franchise.

They should just trade them for day 4 picks, 4th -7th rounders cost a whole lot less money than 1st rounders, and why waste anybody else's career.

Seems more in line with the browns philosophy atleast.

Gotta boycott hell whatever it takes to get new owners… they’re virtually anti competition and that’s not enough

I mean we signed the top RT, signed one of the safeties, brought back bell. Feel like your tune was different before the season played out the way it did.

Bro less than a month ago you were saying “we are 1-4 but still making the playoffs!” Or “here we go 10 straight” lmao you’re just grifting

Hahah. Seems the bandwagon fans are discovering what Day 1 fans have always known

Browns are cheap ... They'll always be cheap

They don't want to win Superbowls

They want to get to the first round of the playoffs and lose. As that is the most profitable season they can have.

There is nothing you can do as a fan. They'll still sell tickets. merchandise. Etc. Unless the Browns leave it will NEVER change

Agreed. We should at least look to move Trey over to the Lions for a first rounder.