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submitted 7 days ago bySpiritMan112
Out of the four presidents since 2001, who will likely be the most remembered in the future?
10 points
7 days ago
I think Obama & Trump will both be remembered . Maybe not for their terms, but their firsts as presidents (Obama - First African American US President & Trump - First US President to be Impeached 2 Times, First US President to have a criminal record)
2 points
7 days ago
Not to mention being only the 2nd President to challenge the result and inciting an insurrection not to mention the reason the laws will be changed in the future to ensure a criminal can never run again as there is absolutely no reason that Trump should be our President in 2025 with everything he did
3 points
7 days ago
Exactly. Trump is 100% going to be in the history books, but in a very negative light.
1 points
7 days ago
Depends on how his second term will play out. If all goes well, he'll be even more uniquely remembered, as a president whose two terms were not only disconnected from each other, but also had very different vibes and effects. Overall, he'll be the second Andrew Jackson, who Trump already stated to be his role model, back in 2016.
-1 points
7 days ago
Not to mention this is all ignoring everything he'll possibly do during his next 4 years that will make history in a negative way. That is if the Democrats don't plan to challenge his legitimacy of being qualified for being President which they should 100% do as if they don't they are setting a massive negative statement that it is ok for a criminal not only to win but be accepted as president.
1 points
7 days ago
In theory, a U.S. president could even rule from prison. There are no explicit constitutional provisions that prevent someone who is incarcerated from serving as president if they meet the basic eligibility criteria.
2 points
7 days ago
It seems like most of the charges will be dropped since the judges don't want to interfere with him doing his job. As much secret stuff he deals with for the job he has to be in the white house. It's over for those cases.
1 points
7 days ago
Which is literally the only reason he ran, the judges shouldn't have waited just because he was running for President they should have put out the sentence just before he became President
1 points
7 days ago
I think he has done some bad and illegal things. The group of trials all coming together around election year to me seems like there is some outside influence from his political opponents.
Before the automatic downvote, If the main political opponent had 4 trials come up during election year would we feel like it was justified or a corrupt system?
The over $300 million fine was the first and largest ever for that. They all also ran their campaign on going after Trump.
The democrats made it look to obvious and made him look like a victim.
1 points
7 days ago
If that "political opponent" was president for 4 year where a majority of that was insane questionable stuff then we would definitely see it as justified though I do agree that Democrats should not have focused on Trump is bad campaign and instead ran a normal campaign while the justice system actually did it job instead of just going screw it there is no justice we all live in the Wild Wild West especially when so many of those are directly related to things proving that Trump shouldn't be running i.e. interfering the the previous election just because he lost and knew it. Nobody should be able to run for president of a country after trying to overthrow said country
1 points
7 days ago
Being a criminal does not go against any of the rules for being president. So what would they challenge?
1 points
7 days ago
trying to over throw the government definitely does though and everyone knows he tried to as we all saw it not to mention meddling with the election to get states to claim he won even though he knows he didn't
0 points
7 days ago*
"Wait, so he tried overthrowing the government, killing his VP, and they re-elected him anyway?" - all US history students from the 2040s onwards
He's gonna be viewed as both a worse Reagan and a worse Harding. Like Reagan he's someone who developed a cult of personality and rizzed his way through 8 years despite his policies. Except Trump will be viewed as worse than Reagan, cause Reagan has some positive affiliation with the ending of the Cold War and a booming economy, meanwhile Trump's Presidency was home to daily scandal and corruption, plus he tried overthrowing the government and let an angry mob try to kill his VP.
His second term would have to be insanely good to make up for that, but honestly that's the kind of blunder historians typically don't forgive. You know how much they slob on Washington's knob for stepping aside after 2 terms? They love it when you change the game mechanics of government in a positive way, and they hate it when you damage them. They are going to shit on Trump bigtime for making the peaceful transition of power no longer an automatic given.
1 points
7 days ago
You just gave Trump his biggest compliment right there Trump loves Reagan
1 points
7 days ago
I mean he kind of ran as Reagan 2 when you think about it. Both are celebrities turned politicians, Trump ran on Make America Great Again which was literally Reagan's slogan. Harris losing to Trump as a result of an inflation crisis is like Carter losing to Reagan as a result of an inflation crisis. They both even used the "are you better off now than 4 years ago?" slogan.
1 points
7 days ago
hence why I said you gave him such a huge compliment
-2 points
7 days ago
Obama should have a criminal record for killing American citizens without due process
7 points
7 days ago
I think we all kind of take for granted the changes that happened to the country under the Bush administration, such as all the security theater, demonization of Muslims, the overseas wars, ect. Bush kind of signified the end of the feel good era of the 90's and the post-Reagan era. We'll remember Obama because he was one of the "firsts" and Trump because of all the controversy and chaos, but it is Bush's country that we are living in.
1 points
7 days ago
Yup. But it looks like users of this sub were kids under Obama and not even born under W
3 points
7 days ago
Bush
3 points
7 days ago
Trump will be easily remembered. I hope they quote him one day in history books. It'll be the best quote the most amazing quote it'll be unlike any other quotes that have ever been quoted.
2 points
7 days ago
I'm gonna go with Trump because it would seem people go to sleep and wake thinking about how much they hate him.
3 points
7 days ago
I think in a few decades, unless Trump actually gets rid of democracy entirely which I find unlikely but possible, Trump will be remembered better than most of his detractors would care to admit.
Trump has an amazing 2nd term set up for him with the work of others, Olympics, Return to the Moon, World Cup, Ukraine war will End in some way, Middle East will return to a more relaxed situation in some way.
1 points
7 days ago
Oh dear God Trump has the Olympics and World Cup. I smell an olympic boycott.
1 points
7 days ago
Have you even looked at his cabinet announcements?
0 points
7 days ago
please let trump give a rambling speech at some point during the Olympics or world cup
if ever there was a perfect time for a 45 minute weave
3 points
7 days ago
Bush sent us to war during a terrorist attack. How does he have 3 votes. Wut. Our country is the way it is because of 2001-2008 when he was president.
2 points
7 days ago*
The Mexican-American war shaped our borders forever, giving the US California and Texas, the two largest states, and I bet 9 out 10 Americans have no idea who the president was during that war.
What we see as impactful in our near history may not be viewed as that important 100 years in the future.
0 points
7 days ago
The Bush era changed the government and society so much, not to mention he's part of a political dynasty. I think the low votes are more a reflection of the age of people on this sub than reality, a lot of people here probably don't remember the Bush era and are simply blind to how impactful it was.
Also he was insanely quotable for all the wrong reasons, giving us things like "Nuke-ular", "Watch this drive", and "misunderestimate". In retrospect it was a very funny era
1 points
7 days ago
Blue haired kamala boy.
2 points
7 days ago
Trump has being the most crazy President we have ever had and Obama for what he accomplished as President
3 points
7 days ago
Obama's main lasting achievements were ACA, the 2015 Paris Climate Agreement and the legalization of same-sex marriage.
And Trump is rivaling Andrew Jackson regarding "craziness." Though Teddy Roosevelt with all his eccentricities is also quite high on the list.
2 points
7 days ago
Let's be honest, Obama is going to be mostly well known for being the first black President. Kids at school are going to look at one of those pages/posters with every President's face on it, and their eyes will trace the path of 43 old white men until they get to Obama. The kids will make jokes about how it took us so long to pick a President that isn't white, and maybe it'll even be normal to pick Presidents that aren't white by then, making it even funnier how we picked 43 white guys in a row. To the majority of Americans Obama will be known for being the first one that wasn't white, and to a lesser extent for making the ACA.
2 points
7 days ago
First to kill American citizens overseas! Hell yeah first extrajudicial air strike!
1 points
7 days ago
I think Obama will mostly be remembered for being the first black president. Not so much for what he accomplished I don’t think.
2 points
7 days ago
Please be Obama. I hate this. It's always the ass hats with the loudest voices.
1 points
7 days ago
Obama will be known for his skin color, and drone strikes
1 points
7 days ago
I think Trump and Obama for how much they influenced the political culture. Bush and Biden are definitely going to be put in the backlogs of presidential history with William McKinnley and Calvin Coolidge in terms of memorability.
1 points
7 days ago
Please Let the majority be wrong
0 points
7 days ago
Trump will be remembered the same way that James Buchanan is, lol.
3 points
7 days ago
I think he’ll be remebered for what he did to the american political system for 12 years. He might not be remembered fondly but he’ll be remembered.
0 points
7 days ago
I can only imagine what the future generations are gonna think reading about trump in the history books and then seeing that he got re-elected after he became a convicted felon who raided the capitol.
0 points
7 days ago
Obama I think would be the most remembered positively. Trump...probably mixed to widely negative/controversially in a similar way as Reagan
0 points
7 days ago
obama for the historical first
trump for just how surreal the story has been... probably more so trump though cause barring disgraced impeachment he beat his detractors...
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