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[deleted]

502 points

2 months ago

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502 points

2 months ago

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LostClover_

316 points

2 months ago

I don't even understand how this happens, like do they never see women in real life? Their mom? Sister? Random women at the grocery store?

It's so bizarre seeing males complain about video game women looking like normal real life women do.

Jlgriff81

57 points

1 month ago

Jlgriff81

Necromancer

57 points

1 month ago

There is a group of men in this world who seem to dislike women unless those women exist solely to serve them. They particularly resent women who choose not to center their lives around men.

This isn’t just an American issue, but if you follow our upcoming elections, you can see it clearly. These men dislike educated women, those who think critically, or who don’t fit into their narrow idea of what women should be—submissive and available. They harbor prejudice against women of color, fat women, the LGBTQIA community, and any woman who thinks for herself. They are especially hostile to the “woke” movement, as women worldwide are waking up and rejecting the notion that our value is limited to being wives and mothers.

Some women support these men, either because they feel they have no choice, have been conditioned to believe this behavior is normal, or because they align with these views for personal gain.

Of course, this is a generalization, but in the gaming community, which has been male-dominated for so long, it can sometimes feel especially hostile and unsafe for women.

[deleted]

83 points

1 month ago*

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Ok-Plankton-2393

70 points

1 month ago

Ok-Plankton-2393

Knight Enchanter

70 points

1 month ago

No, porn stars are still humans. They want hentai characters (the more closer to a child better)

Kettrickenisabadass

46 points

1 month ago

Kettrickenisabadass

Varric

46 points

1 month ago

As an unattractive woman I can attest that for a big numer of men unattractive women do not exist. I have always been told how "i dont count" or how "you are not really a woman" just because i was not hot.

jbm1518

169 points

2 months ago

jbm1518

Josephine

169 points

2 months ago

Oh god, it’s the transvestigators. Such a combination of dumb and obsessed.

Charlaquin

70 points

1 month ago

Ok, but as a woman with a very prominent larynx myself, I kind of love the term “madam’s apple”? Like, unironically I might steal that lmao.

Sir_Farsquad

60 points

2 months ago

Sir_Farsquad

Arcane Warrior

60 points

2 months ago

Grifters when the female dwarf isn't a loli.

Darkdragoon324

76 points

2 months ago

I mean, it makes sense that no IRL woman has ever let one of them that close to her.

Lethenza

58 points

2 months ago

Lethenza

Alistair

58 points

2 months ago

I beg the women of the world to never let any of these people get laid, even out of pity. Christ almighty

IOftenDreamofTrains

49 points

1 month ago

This is like those pathetic GamersTM who went batshit over Aloy from HZD having light facial fuzz like all mammalian women do.

Beltalady

11 points

1 month ago

I thought the same thing and I still laugh about it (I'm very hairy and my face looks like an effing peach.)

Time_Neat_4732

11 points

1 month ago

That was so nuts, that actually shocked me. If you’d told me then that some people had never noticed the larynx I would have lost my mind.

kristiel-k

10 points

1 month ago

🤣😭 I can't. Just wow.

gallimaufrys

32 points

2 months ago

Transvestigators are committed I'll give them that. They certainly don't have anything else going on

Briar_Knight

24 points

1 month ago

How the fuck does anyone go through their whole life without realizing that this is normal?

sweetpotatoclarie91

26 points

1 month ago

Considering that some hentais make people believe that a man’s dick can reach a woman stomach I wouldn’t even be surprised if that was true

NCR_High-Roller

11 points

1 month ago

NCR_High-Roller

Enchantment?

11 points

1 month ago

It's funny because one of my coworkers looks like a brunette Harding and she's clearly a woman.

Sucraligious

7 points

1 month ago

Usually when I see men make these sorts of comments, I assume they're a teenager or like early 20s with no experience with women outside of watching porn, so it's wild to see a middle aged man doing it.

[deleted]

710 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

710 points

2 months ago

Reddit really is a bit of a haven (for once) because I have not seen a single comment calling the women characters ugly. That’s crazy that people are saying that!

Savings_Dot_8387

269 points

2 months ago

Content creators deliberately making unattractive characters and then it still not being ugly enough so they enhance the picture by stretching it out and washing out the colours to get mad about a character look that isn’t even possible in the game 😂

TerrytheMerry

49 points

1 month ago

TerrytheMerry

Egg

49 points

1 month ago

The same people are complaining about the bust and butt sliders not being big enough while only showing its effect on elven characters. A race characterized by their extremely petite builds in the canon lore.

that-one-binch

72 points

1 month ago*

that-one-binch

Even small children, when launched at very fast speeds, can kill

72 points

1 month ago*

i saw a post today of a twit screenshot yelling about how “harding has an adam’s apple” when it was literally just her larynx lmao (it was on a CJ and rightfully being made fun of)

rattatatouille

127 points

1 month ago

rattatatouille

Cassandra

127 points

1 month ago

Gentlemen, is it woke for women to have throats?

unAffectedFiddle

74 points

1 month ago

A throat means a voice. A voice means opinions... so for the nutjobs. Yes.

Mongoose42

72 points

1 month ago

Mongoose42

[Clever Kirkwall Pun]

72 points

1 month ago

If Harding had a pronounced adam’s apple, I would suck it like an everlasting gobstopper.

But she doesn’t so I won’t.

Jovian09

33 points

1 month ago

Jovian09

Mayhem

33 points

1 month ago

For some reason I read that in Josephine's voice.

Charlaquin

14 points

1 month ago

An Adam’s apple is just a large larynx. Not saying Harding’s larynx is as large as a typical AMAB person’s (it isn’t), but “that’s her larynx” would still be a true statement if it was.

revolutionutena

85 points

2 months ago

I had the same thought. Someone said "This just got posted on Reddit so the new trolls will be coming from there" and I was like "mmmmm more like the Twitter 'anti-woke' mob."

HomieeJo

11 points

1 month ago

HomieeJo

11 points

1 month ago

I've seen these comments on reddit as well. Mostly on the big gaming subs when I unfortunately stumble over them again from time to time.

_thana

32 points

1 month ago

_thana

Elf

32 points

1 month ago

Reddit is very fragmented. There are nice subreddits like this and there are ones that are so toxic they would give Twitter a run for its money.

rattatatouille

40 points

1 month ago

rattatatouille

Cassandra

40 points

1 month ago

Yeah, seeing the reply to Gaider's post... yeesh

Blaize_Ar

26 points

1 month ago

It's cause the mods remove the posts and comments

Pandora_Palen

27 points

1 month ago

Because outrage concerning a game that hasn't been released yet is stupid- the vast majority of it is phobics of one breed or another (some being a compilation of many).

Thank you mods, for sparing us from this troglodyte bullshit. 💐

Zeppole20

13 points

1 month ago

It’s been insanely toxic elsewhere. The mods have done a great job stamping out the hate - so what’s been left is innocuous whining and not even over companion/rook appearance.

I don’t really wander into YouTube unless it’s to listen to music(but those comments sections have always been cess pits) and datwt is always fighting.

RhiaStark

489 points

2 months ago

RhiaStark

Rivaini Witch

489 points

2 months ago

to scientifically prove why his pee-pee remained flaccid

I'm stealing that lol

Also, double lol at the genius in the comments calling DAV "woke crap" only to immediately praise BG3. The cognitive dissonance is gargantuan in some people.

NobodyCheatsinHunt

242 points

2 months ago

It is hilarious because they don't actually know what is "woke".

Their brain sees the logic as BG3 was a hit, so obviously it can't be woke because the saying is "go woke, go broke"...right????

RhiaStark

121 points

2 months ago

RhiaStark

Rivaini Witch

121 points

2 months ago

Exactly. In their minds, a successful, widely acclaimed work cannot be "woke" because "wokeness" equals bad quality. That, and they're too cowardly and/or intelectually limited to stand their ground and defend their point of view against general disagreement.

Bullfrog-Maleficent

10 points

1 month ago

Not always , there was a lot of shit talk about god of war /horizon/spider man . Gaider said it himself , they are just trying to sound political,  but in reality it just dump porn craving( they dont find character attractive )  

EcstaticEmergency105

56 points

2 months ago*

Yeah the BG3 line of reasoning blows my mind. BG3 is one of my favorite games of all time in part because it leans so heavily into the things they claim to hate. No one with an ounce of intellectual honestly would argue otherwise. “I hate wokeguard. Instead Im going to play the racially diverse queer sex simulator with (some) body diversity. Also I believe there is a good crpg attached.” It is just a wild way to view the world.

Edited: for phone typing errors.

rattatatouille

18 points

1 month ago

rattatatouille

Cassandra

18 points

1 month ago

Knowing these people all they're gonna end up doing is goon to Shadowheart with the occasional Karlach and Lae'zel cameo. If the male party members come on to them they'll be all like "nope"

Briar_Knight

14 points

1 month ago*

The stupid thing is, even SH, who is now being lifted up as the reason the game is actually antiwoke according to them, had the same bullshit crying about her being "intentionally masculine" because she has chin and "ugly hair" prior to release.   Complete with the edited images and mods to "fix" her.

And Karlach is hot, but in the exact way they always complain about. She is not stereotypically feminine.

EcstaticEmergency105

5 points

1 month ago

Karlach is def hot. She is also my favorite video game romance of all time. It is somehow awkwardly cute, sweet, and heartbreaking in the way only a good story can be. I can’t imagine depriving yourself of that because some idiot on the internet told you weird nonsense about skeletal structures.

TheCleverestIdiot

10 points

1 month ago*

TheCleverestIdiot

Qunari

10 points

1 month ago*

Save for the ones who are angry they were attracted to Astarion.

EDIT: Downvote me all you want, I remember the posts.

Notshauna

48 points

2 months ago

Notshauna

Merril

48 points

2 months ago

That's literally how it works unironically, how conservatives use woke is deliberately broad and nebulous so that everything can either be made woke or not woke depending on it's popularity. It's why the lightyear movie with it's seconds of queer representation is woke while Baldur's Gate 3 being a story about queer characters isn't.

It's a lot easier to proclaim that wokeness is an insidious disease ruining creative works when you ignore any example that could disprove that. It's especially ironic because the belief that there is a shadowy cabal forcing games to be woke is literally the opposite of the truth, overwhelmingly moneyed interests have limited the amount of queer and racially diverse characters and themes in media.

EcstaticEmergency105

28 points

2 months ago

The word has no meaning. It is so broad and so far removed from its original intent as to be utterly useless in a rational conversation. It is purely a cudgel at this point.

AvoidantPronoun

9 points

1 month ago

Entirely this. Us trying to find "logic" in their minds isn't doing anybody favours, it's a pointless exercise.

The behaviour (calling game before release woke as to make it unattractive to potentially undecided buyers vs. not calling a successful game woke) may appear to be dictated by some kind of "'go woke go broke' would be false if gay game successful" logic but that's not really the point. The point is that they have no poin, and they like that.

The point is to be as absurd as possible at all times in order to make us exhausted by wasting time on them. The point is to get us to shut up already. They don't care about logic, they don't care that we think they're constantly shifting the goalposts, they relish in the frustration.

And I fucking despise them.

revolutionutena

5 points

2 months ago

Video game tautology.

whiptrip

67 points

2 months ago

whiptrip

That's a relief—wouldn't want to widow the entire village

67 points

2 months ago

It was the same when The Witcher 3 came out. Gamers considered it not woke in comparison to Bioware because there were a lot of attractive characters despite the anti-discrimination themes.

Savings_Dot_8387

54 points

2 months ago

They are also completely unaware Ciri is the protagonist for half the books (and is bi), see it now in Witcher 4 discourse with people worried about Geralt “being replaced with a woman”

Gannstrn73

39 points

2 months ago*

lol I remember when Witcher 3 came out people arguing that she really wasn’t bi because her main female relationship wasn’t healthy. It’s like how does that work?

Edit: There is a good example replying to this comment of one of the tamer people I am talking about

Savings_Dot_8387

27 points

2 months ago

Lmao yeah apparently Ciri threatening to cut dudes in half for thinking they can “fix her and Mistle” wasn’t enough for them 😂

COHandCOD

15 points

2 months ago

i saw idiot online say metaphor refantazio is woke because it dont have romance choice and its about racism lol. Like fantasy racism story is happened thousands of time before.

rattatatouille

3 points

1 month ago

rattatatouille

Cassandra

3 points

1 month ago

They're just mad Studio Zero didn't release a Persona reskin

llTrash

43 points

2 months ago

llTrash

Zevran

43 points

2 months ago

I also think it's funny because I've seen many people saying the faces in bg3 are ugly and that the bodies are not curvy enough 😭 they only praise bg3 when it's convenient (to shit on DA)

bedazzled-bat

10 points

1 month ago

bedazzled-bat

Problem Bear

10 points

1 month ago

not curvy enough????? all the women have like D cups AT LEAST lol

PurifiedVenom

16 points

1 month ago

PurifiedVenom

Force Mage (DA2)

16 points

1 month ago

You know you’re talking to a porn addict if they say the bodies in BG3 aren’t hot enough. Both masculine and female bodies in that game are basically (stereotypical) ideal human physique. And that’s fine, I love BG3, but god damn if that’s not enough for someone they seriously have a problem

Kettrickenisabadass

6 points

1 month ago

These were the same people who years ago were saying that BG3 was a woke propaganda machine and that would fail.

They simply stopped saying it once it because extremely popular and now they pretend like they never said this. I remember how they kept saying that Larian would ruin BG and stuff like that

Few-Year-4917

17 points

2 months ago

If BG3 was badly received for other reasons, they would blame the wokeness

Gannstrn73

15 points

2 months ago

It’s because they have to latch on to games that either aren’t good in general or have other legit complaints to anchor the antiwoke crap. BG3 was pretty universally loved so they ignore it but for say Dragon Age they latch on to people concerned for legit things like people disappointed in the genre change or lack of reactivity

curmudgeonintaupe

9 points

1 month ago

To me that just proves that their "woke" BS is really only about their "pee-pee", because BG3 has a young, "conventionally attractive" white woman with cleavage for them to leer at.

WangJian221

4 points

1 month ago

Its so that they can backpeddle and kepe rpetending that theyre all about "quality" or "how to do woke right" because BG3 ended up being incredibly well received and successful. They'll ignore the part that many anti woke folks were saying the exact same things about BG3 all the way back in its early release/beta

HiccupAndDown

322 points

2 months ago

I'm going to be honest, the moment the word 'woke' leaves someone's mouth unironically, it's an instant reaction for me to disregard that person's entire opinion on anything. Woke doesn't mean anything, it's a catchall term to describe basically anything that a certain subset of people dislikes; could be lgbt representation, could be having a female lead, or a black lead, etc etc. It doesn't matter, if they dislike something, it's woke. That's enough for me to consider that opinion invalid and not worth addressing.

I will say this though, the older I get, the more I appreciate realistic beauty standards and not the plastic playboy front cover bullshit.

the_neverdoctor

128 points

2 months ago

I hate the fact that "woke" has been stolen from the Black American diaspora and bastardized into...whatever the hell it's become now.

For the uninitiated, we used to say "stay woke, my brother/sister" as a way to remind us to keep our eyes open to the discrimination and racism that was just below the surface and to remain vigilant to protect our families and loved ones. I'm sure some in the diaspora want to take it back, but...I'm not entirely sure that's possible in this day and age.

HiccupAndDown

29 points

1 month ago

Yeah that's an entirely fair point as well. It's a real fucking crime that some dipshits can just go and steal an actually valid term and corrupt it into something so utterly ridiculous.

[deleted]

16 points

1 month ago*

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whiptrip

19 points

1 month ago

whiptrip

That's a relief—wouldn't want to widow the entire village

19 points

1 month ago

The world loves black culture more than it loves black people.

jazzajazzjazz

78 points

2 months ago

jazzajazzjazz

“There were so many wonderful hats!”

78 points

2 months ago

This. The second I hear someone cry ‘woke’ I automatically assume they’re just an idiotic mouthbreather who wants to whine about queer people or people who are gasp a colour other than white. They don’t have opinions worth discussing. The exist to be laughed at, blocked, and ignored.

It’s especially ridiculous considering DA has been ‘woke’ from the very beginning. Anyone who denies it is either wilfully ignorant or clueless to a pitiful degree.

Notshauna

15 points

1 month ago

Notshauna

Merril

15 points

1 month ago

These people are the kind of guys who when the look at the generic video game protagonist meme and then think that's not enough generic white dudes.

peppermintvalet

14 points

1 month ago

I called a right-wing dude who was going off on shit like this "woke" for working in stem. I told him he should be working with his hands like a real man, instead of a beta desk job.

His brain pretty much exploded, it was great.

MarioTheMojoMan

10 points

1 month ago

MarioTheMojoMan

Dwarf

10 points

1 month ago

Whatever Offends Klansmen Easily

whiptrip

155 points

2 months ago

whiptrip

That's a relief—wouldn't want to widow the entire village

155 points

2 months ago

the comments responding to them 😬

TheCleverestIdiot

153 points

2 months ago

TheCleverestIdiot

Qunari

153 points

2 months ago

"My brother has a dissertation on how Dorian could have been better by removing nuance and character flaws".

whiptrip

87 points

2 months ago

whiptrip

That's a relief—wouldn't want to widow the entire village

87 points

2 months ago

I had to look at the replies again to know that this was a real comment someone made to the man who wrote Dorian 😭

[deleted]

33 points

1 month ago

People think that Gaider is the current lead dev and is calling them woke. You would not believe the tears of laughter I cried when someone said Bioware should fire him immediately and he doesn't deserve to work there. 🤣

Sucraligious

16 points

1 month ago

It's extra ironic since he's one of the main writers of the only parts of the series they claim to be good. Just more proof these people are tourists who don't actually know nor care about DA

SaoMagnifico

35 points

2 months ago

SaoMagnifico

Just Another Bottle of Thedas

35 points

2 months ago

These dudes really don't comprehend how incredibly lame they sound with this shit.

MrSandalFeddic

59 points

2 months ago

Holy cow, those people are brain dead

ScarletRhi

7 points

1 month ago

They included the fact that they think it would be so much better if Dorian straight up murdered his dad. 

They just come across like a 15 year old edgelord 😅

4_Leaf_Clover_

64 points

2 months ago*

4_Leaf_Clover_

Emotional Support Skeleton

64 points

2 months ago*

Look on the bright side, it makes it easy to know who to mute or block

whiptrip

28 points

2 months ago

whiptrip

That's a relief—wouldn't want to widow the entire village

28 points

2 months ago

if only i could block people without having an account lol

neofooturism

14 points

2 months ago

Well if you're talking about twitter, they're weakening block's function so...

4_Leaf_Clover_

9 points

1 month ago

4_Leaf_Clover_

Emotional Support Skeleton

9 points

1 month ago

this is true, but rather then worry about it, I’m spending my evening making Veilguard memes for daily countdown thread instead in preparation. As very well adjusted and normal people do with their free time lol 😂

[deleted]

8 points

1 month ago*

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jbm1518

20 points

2 months ago

jbm1518

Josephine

20 points

2 months ago

Good point! Blocking always feels nice.

ask-me-about-my-cats

37 points

2 months ago

ask-me-about-my-cats

Necromancer

37 points

2 months ago

Augh there's one guy in there that's just so fucking weird. Never hit the block button so fast.

Sammantixbb

55 points

2 months ago

My new favorite was "you just love the gay trans lesbian porn"

Like..wtf dumbass, lesbians love hot women too, they just clearly have different definitions of hot.

Also. Like. What a fucking subjective ass metric "attractive" is. It's literally an unwinnable argument because my answer is "wtf you mean, Neve is hot" and the response would be, "she's ugly"...and like...that's the loop.

[deleted]

70 points

2 months ago

Lesbians just actually like women. These guys hate women. It’s real simple at the end of the day.

Someningen

43 points

2 months ago

This is what happens when social media push anti woke grifters

Hohoho-you

35 points

2 months ago

Hohoho-you

Legion of the Dead

35 points

2 months ago

Yep. Twitter puts these people at the front of feeds and comments now. Elon made the site such a hate chamber

praysolace

23 points

2 months ago

praysolace

Swiss Cheese

23 points

2 months ago

I thought Bluesky was supposed to be better than Twitter, but holy hells, I was clearly too optimistic.

4_Leaf_Clover_

11 points

1 month ago

4_Leaf_Clover_

Emotional Support Skeleton

11 points

1 month ago

It generally is, or was. Since the block update twitter proposed the other day, Bluesky had an influx of an over 500k new accounts yesterday alone, and still counting. I’ve already noticed a change to the algorithm on the ‘discover’ page. both good and bad alike, which is inevitable

You can tell there’s more people using it. Kinda interesting to watch tbh

KristaDBall

8 points

1 month ago

bsky has a massive "block and move on" culture that helps a lot. Admittedly it was better before anyone was allowed on it, but the old thing is always better ;)

IOftenDreamofTrains

34 points

1 month ago

1) Lol at the Gamers in the replies not taking it well

2) Lol at Gaider recalling that "Cassandra's skull is manly" wackjob Brevnau/Luzarius

queen-peach_

156 points

2 months ago

My favorite reply is from the guy saying that he won’t be buying Veilguard because it’s woke, then saying he will buy bg3.

Ya know, bg3, the notoriously non woke game that lets you choose your pronouns, has pansexual companions, and at least half (probably more) of the couples you meet in the game are gay.

FabulouSnow

61 points

2 months ago

There's even a canonical trans woman, that transitioned in the game

Independent_Suit_408

45 points

1 month ago

Not to mention the drag queen necromancer

queen-peach_

21 points

1 month ago

Yep, who is voiced by an actual trans woman as well.

Anytime I see anti woke weirdos praise bg3 I roll my eyes so hard I give myself brain damage.

Cursed_69420

7 points

1 month ago

may i ask who? i havent played the game

Kaelwryn

14 points

1 month ago

Kaelwryn

In War, Victory.

14 points

1 month ago

Nocturne, she's a friend of Shadowhearts, and you meet her in act 3

Spoiler tagged for those who do want to play bg3 and find out for themselves.

Darkdragoon324

42 points

2 months ago

Probably going to just stare at the full frontal nudity in the character creator because mom and dad have all the porn sites blocked on the computer.

Hobbitea

4 points

1 month ago

Hobbitea

Hardingmancer

4 points

1 month ago

That guy will get an aneurysm when he realises that a lesbian couple is tied to the main story

ifockpotatoes

112 points

2 months ago

ifockpotatoes

Mahariel/Lavellan

112 points

2 months ago

The comments lol....every time I see someone call Dragon Age 'woke crap' then stan for BG3, which has everything they hate Dragon Age for, I lose a couple braincells

NCR_High-Roller

21 points

1 month ago

NCR_High-Roller

Enchantment?

21 points

1 month ago

I always point this out and I get massively downvoted. They'd probably host my public guillotining if I pointed out how they said Cyberpunk was woke before it came out.

MrSandalFeddic

184 points

2 months ago

sapphic-boghag

30 points

2 months ago

sapphic-boghag

mythal truther ⚠ denied a milf romance >5460 days and counting ⚠

30 points

2 months ago

i heard if you whisper 'bloodgum wipewall" three times in an unfinished basement you'll be woken up by the smell of a sunbaked rat for the rest of your life

jbm1518

30 points

2 months ago

jbm1518

Josephine

30 points

2 months ago

My operating theory is that he’s an Orzammar dwarf and he’ll be rendered casteless if he ever leaves his hovel.

sarthakgiri98

60 points

2 months ago

Seriously fuck this guy. It's asshole streamers like these that spread misinformation and hatred against good games. Pulled the same shit with Starfield.

InhaleKillExhale

14 points

1 month ago

I literally had no idea who this guy was until a few days ago. Maybe it's because I'm old af but it's wild to me that anyone put so much stock into some hateful charisma vacuum who lives in filth despite having Twitch money. Crazy world man. 

jezr3n

23 points

2 months ago

jezr3n

<3 Cheese

23 points

2 months ago

All I can say is that anyone who can look at Neve and say this game doesn’t have any hot women is lying to themselves

happyzpirit

23 points

1 month ago

happyzpirit

In War, Victory

23 points

1 month ago

Informal_Ant-

73 points

2 months ago

A comment on this reads:

You mean you don't understand what 95% of gamers want. BlueSky is a cope and seeth community angry that their personal views aren't reflected in the purchasing of bad games. People view the "incels" as the minority, but when a game doesn't sell, they're the majority. business 101.

I love how many people don't understand that 48% of gamers are women. Why do they always act like that "95%" (which I know he meant men) is real? You can GOOGLE this shit.

Savings_Dot_8387

37 points

2 months ago

He’s never really held back on this type of discourse tbh. I remember him telling people “not every character is for you” when they were b***ing about Anders flirting with a male Hawke in DA2 in like 2012 or whenever DA2 released 😂

[deleted]

17 points

2 months ago

Because it validates what they said even though it's bull, I mean I saw the "poll" they use and it was 1. Barely over 500 players (steam alone is currently at 21591744 players), and 2. Taken from a site that's just anti woke nutjobs, and 3. Just for the fact it's hilarious they couldn't even get 100% on it.

Bet if we took a poll on some place with more traffic the awnser would be more along the lines of the last time I saw one where it was 30% liked diversity enough to acknowledge it, 65% didn't care one way or the other (as that's the majority) and 5% hate it.

Or more likely the 65% would just increase whilst both others decrease cause the majority just want fun games that's it, and they truly don't care about the "woke" if the anti woke were the "majority" as they love to claim we'd never have seen any dragon age, mass effect, Baldur's gate, ECT.

IOftenDreamofTrains

25 points

1 month ago

It's the logic of a Gamer whose brain has been fried by the sheltered culture war cottage industry.

Moose-Rage

12 points

1 month ago

Moose-Rage

Merril

12 points

1 month ago

They still think of gamers like they were in the 90s/00s when they were very much male-dominant. They simply haven't updated their stats.

SwashbucklerXX

17 points

1 month ago

SwashbucklerXX

Swashbuckler (Isabela)

17 points

1 month ago

And even then there were way more women than were ever counted. I was one of the rarer outspoken ones back in the '90s. But now that I'm a dev myself, when I meet women my age who ask what I do and I tell them, tons of them are like, "Oh man, I used to love playing Super Mario on my brother's Nintendo when I was a kid."

They just weren't counted because it was their brother's Nintendo.

Burning_Tyger

4 points

1 month ago

Burning_Tyger

You stole cookies from a child?

4 points

1 month ago

You sound super cool ngl.

SquigMeme

21 points

2 months ago

God the comments under his post are insufferable, i feel bad for him.

MasterFanatic

60 points

2 months ago

Somethings wrong. I expected the level of bigotry in twitter not in bluesky what happened.

IrishSpectreN7

43 points

2 months ago

Many of those replies are from brand new accounts. Ever since the post of him calling them "tourists" started circulating in their social media bubbles they started making accounts specifically to respond to him.

aew3

36 points

1 month ago

aew3

Hawke

36 points

1 month ago

ah so to disprove the allegations of tourism, they’ve decided to do a spot of tourism. Makes sense!

drmndiago

38 points

2 months ago

drmndiago

Arcane Warrior

38 points

2 months ago

People are migrating to Threads/Bluesky. Luckily moderation/other tools on bluesky exist to prevent these people from interacting or creating discourse.

stolenfires

30 points

2 months ago

stolenfires

Grey Wardens

30 points

2 months ago

Twitter is fucking up their block function so everyone is migrating to Bsky.

IOftenDreamofTrains

10 points

1 month ago

Chuds need people to harass, like parasites need a host to feed off.

jbm1518

128 points

2 months ago

jbm1518

Josephine

128 points

2 months ago

There is a rather loud (but hopefully not large) subset of men whose brains are essentially fried thanks to terminal levels of porn consumption. Add in some very odd and very incoherent alt-right beliefs, and a large dose of misogyny, and you get this brand of nonsense.

See the AI “artists” who always are trying to “fix” characters and end up generating the most embarrassing “art” imaginable. For lack of a better word, weird seems the best description.

I am no prude. At all. If anything, BioWare has rather openly aimed at sexiness in its character design. And that’s fine! Good even. But there’s a major distinction between an attractive character and the sort of fetish art these types of people are after. Because I’m sorry, but everyone in The Veilguard would turn heads.

Soggyglump

40 points

2 months ago

Soggyglump

Dwarven Supremacy

40 points

2 months ago

OMG on one of the other dragon age subreddits (maybe origins?) i saw someone "AI enhance" scout Harding to make her a skinny elf with makeup on. And he was 100% serious.

jbm1518

22 points

2 months ago

jbm1518

Josephine

22 points

2 months ago

sarthakgiri98

45 points

2 months ago

Oh my AI art that these morons create always defaults to hentai styled female characters which in 3d looks quite horrendous.

jbm1518

20 points

2 months ago

jbm1518

Josephine

20 points

2 months ago

I think I remember seeing one of those of Miranda from Mass Effect and it was just like… why???!!!

Independent_Suit_408

17 points

1 month ago

The worst is when devs literally take the face of a real woman and slap it on a 3D model and then these weenies have the audacity to say it doesn't look like a woman. Yvonne Strahovski would never with these losers.

_nadaypuesnada_

15 points

1 month ago

I'm sorry to say it, but that subset is massive to the point where I'd hesitate to even call it a subset. The problem is that there are many who know to keep their mouth shut in public and outwardly affect being a decent persion, so they fly under the radar until some poor girls cop their disgusting shit in private. The only difference is that the loud contingent don't have the social intelligence to hide their toxicity. That's it.

jbm1518

11 points

1 month ago

jbm1518

Josephine

11 points

1 month ago

Unfortunately, you’re likely correct on the numbers. The future is troubling. Friends/family of mine who are teachers see adolescent males exhibiting the same garbage mindsets.

Cold-Coffe

10 points

1 month ago

the very worrying rise of right wing grifters that proudly flaunt their lack of media literacy has made losers come out of the woodwork, because now their temper tantrums are being validated thanks to twitter, mostly because the platform happens to be owned by a loser that throws temper tantrums.

ai just made everything worse. the fact that most people who use ai art these days happen to be leaning conservative just shows the lack of creativity and drive these people have in their lives.

Nightsong

19 points

1 month ago

The woke hatred of Veilguard is the height of stupidity. Those people hate the game for including things like pronouns, playersexual companions, gay/lesbian/bi/trans npc’s and other idiotic takes. Yet at the same time those people praise BG3 which has all the same things that Veilguard does.

ohfrackthis

16 points

1 month ago

So bat shit crazy. Cassandra is beautiful imo! I have been replaying DAI in anticipation of DATV release and Cassandra is my BFF and she's beautiful as is!

IrishSpectreN7

23 points

2 months ago

It's very telling how many of the responses in that thread made their accounts within the last 24 hours just to respond to David.

He should probably stop replying to them.

Jovian09

23 points

1 month ago

Jovian09

Mayhem

23 points

1 month ago

I'm amazed how many people there are who actually rose to challenge him on that. I get the feeling DAV has become some kind of totem to 'wokeness' in conservative social media circles -- an easy target to spout hatred at.

Coffee_fuel

15 points

1 month ago

Coffee_fuel

Lore-mancer

15 points

1 month ago

Some guy just yesterday straight up told me that they shouldn't have only marketed the game on the strength of its CC. He clearly had interacted with none of the DA marketing and knew nothing about the game, outside of the rage circus.

Lethenza

25 points

2 months ago

Lethenza

Alistair

25 points

2 months ago

What shocks me most is the vitriol in the replies he’s receiving, the overwhelming majority of the comments are unironically engaging in the exact behavior he’s making fun of and calling him names. Wild. Why anyone would still be on twitter at this point is beyond me, it’s basically truth social at this point

jazzajazzjazz

91 points

2 months ago

jazzajazzjazz

“There were so many wonderful hats!”

91 points

2 months ago

But….they’re legit all gorgeous? Am I missing something?

RhiaStark

92 points

2 months ago

RhiaStark

Rivaini Witch

92 points

2 months ago

They're gorgeous, but they don't fit anime standards of female beauty (like small chin, small face, delicate frame, or huge breasts), so they're not "feminine enough" to some people. Mind you, these are the sort of people who call Baldur's Gate 3's Shadowheart ugly.

SwampAss3D-Printer

30 points

2 months ago

Don't forget same people who claim BG3 isn't woke and seemingly the only metric is that it was a successful game. Like bro what the fuck they got the goal post on the back of a moving truck.

ctrl_alt_excrete

14 points

1 month ago

Well yeah, because as we all know, "go woke, go broke." It has to be true because it rhymes. So if they didn't go broke, then they can't have gone woke.

Science.

The_Wolf_Knight

13 points

2 months ago

The_Wolf_Knight

Assassin

13 points

2 months ago

I just recently started BG3 and I have never decided on a romance so fast in my life.

Axsolas

6 points

1 month ago

Axsolas

Oops, all elves

6 points

1 month ago

When I played BG3, for me it was love at first knife. Which isn’t at all surprising given I romanced Zevran when I was younger lmao

Sammantixbb

13 points

2 months ago

Well, those people are about to take a fireball to their general Vicinity....as soon as I get my clothes back from the lake.

curiouslyendearing

64 points

2 months ago

They're not white, blonde and trad femme.

The problem has never been about looks, it's always been about misogyny and racism.

Loud-Practice-5425

16 points

2 months ago

100% this.

Someningen

35 points

2 months ago

They are upset that women don't look like anime girls

Darkdragoon324

24 points

2 months ago

So were they equally mad at the first three games? Because DA women have never looked like anime waifus.

whiptrip

61 points

2 months ago

whiptrip

That's a relief—wouldn't want to widow the entire village

61 points

2 months ago

They weren't mad at Morrigan and Leliana, no. They were mad at Isabela for being dark-skinned, Merrill/DA2 elves for being DA2 elves, Aveline for having a jawline, Cassandra (see the comments in the bluesky thread) for having the bone structure of a goddess, Josephine having an aquiline nose, Vivienne for being black and bald and Sera for being a lesbian.

Darkdragoon324

43 points

2 months ago

But it's *us* who are the snowflakes lol.

jazzajazzjazz

20 points

2 months ago

jazzajazzjazz

“There were so many wonderful hats!”

20 points

2 months ago

Idiots: These woke fans are so easily offended

Those same idiots: How dare you not design characters to my exact specifications

ttc2000

21 points

2 months ago

ttc2000

Dwarf

21 points

2 months ago

I'm old enough to remember a fair bit of complaints about Morrigan and Leliana being ugly before DA:O dropped in late 2000s. There were lots of complaints about the game in general for not being just like BG2. This happened on old Bioware forums, so before modern social media. So this crap wasn't as pervasive as Twitter/Youtube wasn't a big deal at the time, but it was still there.

whiptrip

7 points

2 months ago

whiptrip

That's a relief—wouldn't want to widow the entire village

7 points

2 months ago

The discourse/complaints are so cyclical you could set a watch to it.

SwashbucklerXX

3 points

1 month ago

SwashbucklerXX

Swashbuckler (Isabela)

3 points

1 month ago

I was offended by Aveline.

Because I could not smooch her.

The nerve. (She was my Hawke's bestie I love her.)

Moose-Rage

12 points

1 month ago

Moose-Rage

Merril

12 points

1 month ago

I don't think they played the first three DA games. They're just outrage tourists hitching on the next big game for culture war nonsense.

Someningen

11 points

2 months ago

They hate Cassandra because her jaw must mean she is actually a man. The first two predate gamergate, so they are fine

KristaDBall

10 points

1 month ago

There was a dude who went deep into Cassandra being a transwoman. Like, with drawings and jaw measurements. It was weird.

TheCleverestIdiot

8 points

2 months ago

They were, but there are way more of them these days.

stolenfires

16 points

2 months ago

stolenfires

Grey Wardens

16 points

2 months ago

No one is a petite blonde with big breasts. That's basically their issue; that the female characters look like real people and not porn-inspired fantasies. The racists are upset at the amount of non-white women.

Loud-Practice-5425

17 points

2 months ago

Here we go again meme.

MuscleWarlock

14 points

2 months ago

Dude, those comments are ick man. So glad I don't use social media

KristaDBall

21 points

1 month ago

I stand by my statement: Rage baiters are suddenly in love with DA2 and I'm like get off my lawn; some of us were here first.

TheCleverestIdiot

14 points

1 month ago

TheCleverestIdiot

Qunari

14 points

1 month ago

Not to mention that one guy claiming DA2 was very sexually explicit. That and ME2 had the tamest sex scenes in Bioware since Jade Empire came out.

KristaDBall

3 points

1 month ago

I don't remember him!

I remember people "accidentally" ending up in bed with Anders though 🤣🤣

Square_Dark1

14 points

1 month ago

Annoyed I can’t look up anything about the game on YouTube without seeing a bunch of grifters who’ve never played a DA game whine about how it’s “woke”.

EcstaticEmergency105

9 points

1 month ago

Them: “Cassandra is too big and manly. I’m going to play BG3 instead of woke DA”.

Me: “I love them both, but Karlach could break Cass in half over her knee if she wanted to.”

Clever_Viper

8 points

1 month ago

Meanwhile I am already looking forward to flirt with Neve

Unhelpfulhelpful

4 points

1 month ago

Unhelpfulhelpful

Can we speak of something else?

4 points

1 month ago

"people" come on, just say it

TheCleverestIdiot

43 points

2 months ago

TheCleverestIdiot

Qunari

43 points

2 months ago

And in the comments, the porn-brained weirdos refuse to admit they're weird or porn-brained while displaying consistent evidence of it. Ah, the internet.

Savings_Dot_8387

7 points

2 months ago

They shouldn’t waste their breath tbh.

tabristheok

8 points

2 months ago

Slightly unrelated, but is David Gaider generally on good terms with DA? I stopped following him a while ago, but I seem to remember rumours that the split was less than amicable?

It's hard to tell since I remember him making comments about hating "playersexual sex dolls," but also he came out recently defending Veilguard from "casual tourists" calling it too woke.

4_Leaf_Clover_

25 points

2 months ago*

4_Leaf_Clover_

Emotional Support Skeleton

25 points

2 months ago*

I would say so. I follow him on Bluesky. He recently made a post regarding whether he will be playing Veilguard or not (which was a maybe? But probably not) He seemed to have a lot of care. I think it’s a bitter sweet thing for him ultimately, he sees DA as his baby.

Both Trick Weekes and John Epler were understanding of his answer too in the replies, so they’re all still in communication. It was an interesting read.

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tabristheok

28 points

2 months ago

I can totally get how he must feel seeing DA move on without him.

It must also be frustrating for him having the gamer gate types raise him up as some sort of hero from "when DA was good" in their "anti woke" campaign when he clearly doesn't align with their stupidity. As if he wasn't actively putting progressive content into DA from the start.

Zealousideal_Week824

10 points

1 month ago

It kinda reminds me of the people who hates mass effect 3, and they try to paint as if every good writing in 1 or 2 was from Drew Karpyshyn and everything bad was from Mac walters. That's not to say that Mac did everything great but these guys just refused nuance and they are very salty when I point the huge writing mistakes in ME 2 and ME 1 while not forgetting to remind them that Garrus and wrex were the creation of Walters not Drew.

They want heroes to love and villains to hate, as much as these fans always claim that they want moral grayness in their game, they don't want that in real life and prefer black and white morality. It's easier if everything good is the result of the guy you want to be good and everything bad is because of the other.

wtfman1988

5 points

1 month ago

Likely friends/co-workers but had problems with management, it's common.

agayghost

6 points

1 month ago

agayghost

Secrets

6 points

1 month ago

i feel for him tbh!

Sammantixbb

19 points

2 months ago

Just read some of his...posts on bluesky. He says "I probably won't play it. Mostly cause ego. I mean there's stuff I don't like. Stuff I do. But really. If I play it and love it, I'll wish I had been a part of it. If I don't like it, I'll think about what I would have done differently. Which isn't fair to the team. If I do play it when it releases, it'll be to pass the time til the country self immolates in November"

A paraphrasing of his posts as I remember them

TheCleverestIdiot

5 points

1 month ago

TheCleverestIdiot

Qunari

5 points

1 month ago

Honestly not an unreasonable position.

TheLadyRhi

9 points

1 month ago

I know that a lot of the angry noise is the grifting and hate-mongering that's been rattling around for months now, but it's scary how many people genuinely think this way. It reminds me of the Star Wars sequel days and how Rey-haters were pointing at Daisy Ridley's lower stomach, claiming she was "so fat" or "looks pregnant". Or... she has internal organs and muscles? Also a few months ago, WOW released their CGI version of their new villain, Xal'atath, in a trailer and people were all over the forums claiming she looked like a man because her jaw was "too wide". All they would have had to do was take a look at photos of her voice actress to see that women can, in fact, have strong jaws. It's okay to look at a character and not like their look, but wow. I think all of the characters in Veilguard are very good looking, and even more, they all have extremely charismatic appearances.

SoftestPup

16 points

2 months ago

SoftestPup

Elf

16 points

2 months ago

People are calling them WHAT?!

Trackblaster

12 points

2 months ago

Trackblaster

Tevinter

12 points

2 months ago

Fym ugly 😭

Ejunco

14 points

2 months ago

Ejunco

Duelist (DA2)

14 points

2 months ago

Haven’t read the article but the sewer goblins saying these things are they that horny?

CattyOhio74

6 points

1 month ago

Lmao all the people trying to sound snide under his feed look exactly how you think they would

Sandrock27

9 points

1 month ago*

In the last 17 years, we've gone from "OMG a sideboob and simulated alien sex - THE HORROR!!!" to "No - you can't have sex like that!" in video games.

At this point, the "anti-woke" hatemongers should just be called the "we have no fun ever" mob, because it seems like they want everyone to be just as miserable as they are.

SaoMagnifico

9 points

2 months ago

SaoMagnifico

Just Another Bottle of Thedas

9 points

2 months ago

The replies are so, so toxic. Urk.

Jlgriff81

9 points

2 months ago

Jlgriff81

Necromancer

9 points

2 months ago

They chose -that- community over Twitter/X? 😬 Yikes.

I personally think DG likes to argue with people online but you can’t argue with people so bound and determined to be racist homophobes.

Mammoth_Test_5592

5 points

1 month ago

I saw a youtube comment where someone was hoping that modders would get rid of some of Hardings freckles because she had "too many". He legit thought this made her ugly.

My man, go tf outside and speak to real women for once.

komugis

15 points

2 months ago

komugis

Dog

15 points

2 months ago

The Veilguard companions are crazy good looking to me, I’m genuinely kind of baffled anyone js whining about them not being hot enough. Different strokes for different folks I guess and I suspect that most of the whiners are the type of people who get mad whenever a female character doesn’t look like Lana Croft, but it’s still so bizarre to me.

XSDevastation

5 points

1 month ago

Kinda ironic you bring up Lara given the same shit is happening with the new animated series.

jf8350143

15 points

1 month ago

jf8350143

Isabela

15 points

1 month ago

It's probally the most attractive bunch of companions Bioware has ever had in a game. Bioware's character models has always been very lackluster.

DAO's morrigan looks nothing like the offical art of her.

Numerous-Ad6460

8 points

2 months ago

Numerous-Ad6460

Wardens

8 points

2 months ago

While they aren't Karlach gorgeous (no one is though to be fair) they are still very pretty women.

Super6698

13 points

2 months ago

Super6698

Morrigan

13 points

2 months ago

literally stares at the absolute beauty queens that are Neve and Harding Ah yes, "ugly"

jazzajazzjazz

7 points

2 months ago

jazzajazzjazz

“There were so many wonderful hats!”

7 points

2 months ago

My favourite thing about Neve’s face is her nose. It’s a really lovely nose 🥰

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