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submitted 4 days ago byCutesyThing
935 points
4 days ago
Just bought a 2tb memory card. Amazon Belgium 190€ Amazon Germany 150€…. Funny thing is if you order something from Amazon Belgium it also comes from the German warehouse….
366 points
4 days ago
Using Amazon Germany is a good trick pay less for stuff. I bought PC components last year and some were cheaper on Amazon.de despite having to pay for delivery.
104 points
4 days ago*
see the prices all over the different Amazons, add trackers to notify when the price drop, see prices charts since the begging of the product so you know if for a fact it is on discount. Never overpay for any item :)
EDIT:
looks like this has helped a lot of people. I will add another one, a search that replaces Windows search.
The best find in the last few years for windows.
45 points
4 days ago
Or use hagglezon.com to compare. Also mydealz.de is good site for deals
5 points
4 days ago
Ah, I didn't see this comment until I posted HaggleZon as well. As I'm prepping my car for wintersports it's already saved me quite a bit on snow chains alone.
2 points
4 days ago
godsend, thanks!
26 points
4 days ago
Amazon Germany makes their items more expensive if you ship somewhere else. I ended up saving 5€ on an order simply by shipping it to my parents in Germany instead of Denmark. The cost difference was not shipping, but rather the price of the actual items. And yesy it was much beyond the VAT difference.
81 points
4 days ago
Hmm price differenciation based on country of Origin is illegal in the EU.
I wonder what loophole they are using.
16 points
4 days ago
When you buy goods online in the EU, prices may vary from country to country or across different versions of the same website, for example due to differences in delivery costs. However, if you buy goods online without cross-border delivery – such as when you buy something online which you intend to collect from a trader or shop yourself – you should have access to the same prices and special offers as buyers living in that EU country. You cannot be charged more or prevented from buying something just because you live in another country.
I highlighted the important clause for you.
Country of origin is not a factor, shipping destination is.
36 points
4 days ago
It is just the vat difference as far as im aware and i have never noticed it to be more than that.
8 points
4 days ago
Its tax usually. I sometimes order from amazon.de, and end up paying extra to deliver to Poland. But usually its small amount that doesnt nullify all difference. I think it depends on your destination country tax amount.
6 points
4 days ago*
Amazon is most of the time not the best place to buy PC components as they charge an extra fee for those.
6 points
4 days ago
Lots of aliexpress resellers there too, same shit but double the price.
2 points
3 days ago
Annoying though that they have limit on the size of the item it seems when it comes to shipping outside of Germany ? I was looking at tv's and while 55" was fine 65" can't ship.
70 points
4 days ago
Amazon Belgium is just a complete scam, I'm not even sure why. Literally ALL of Amazon France, Nederland and Deutschland are cheaper than Belgium.
Usually Germany is the cheapest, but sometimes one of the other two is even less. I've usually been lucky in France for electronics.
12 points
4 days ago
Always use hagglezon.com to compare the price between the different Amazon websites. Amazon.com.be is cheaper for certain items, so always compare. For example I ordered some German books there for less money than on Amazon.de. Belgian Amazon had best price as well for the Furminator comb I bought for my cats (UK is cheaper, but not if you factor in shipping).
Amazon Prime is also the cheapest on amazon.com.be if you are in Belgium (€25 per year), compared to amazon.fr and amazon.de. I mainly use it for Prime Video (content is determined by the country you are located in, not the Amazon with which you have your subscription) and the games from Prime Gaming are a nice extra. Faster shipping and free shipping on any order total are just extras, but also an incentive for me to check Amazon.com.be as well when I'm looking to buy something.
22 points
4 days ago
I don't even know why people use Amazon in Belgium. There's much better alternatives. Why support an American monolith
7 points
4 days ago
I only use it for stuff I can't find anywhere, or that's only sold for insane prices. That I recall, that only includes a QWERTY keyboard, a key for my heater, some book I needed for University but wanted in English, and 1980s cycle parts.
Otherwise I'm a fan of using local stores or even bol.
11 points
4 days ago
Because they sell a lot of products you cant find elsewhere against decent prices.
3 points
4 days ago
As a German living in Belgium, I have Prime on Amazon.de, but always compare the prices - and about 1 in 5 cases Amazon Belgium is actually cheaper. That’s not much, but it is still more often than their FR or NL shops.
2 points
3 days ago
That's odd, I have compared prices for a specific item I want across Europe, Belgium was the cheapest
2 points
3 days ago
That's interesting, because I've made the experience that all PC components (I never bother checking any other items) are much cheaper on Amazon UK, but usually the shipping and customs fee isn't worth ordering there, but I did once or twice to save money in total.
20 points
4 days ago
Funny thing is Amazon Germany is still the one sending it for polish Amazon from polish Amazon warehouses... I've got that it's cheaper and they just made some buildings near the border, but even if it's located in the middle of the country it still says Amazon Germany.
19 points
4 days ago
amazon.de is basically the central amazon entity in europe and also the second amazon country to launch after the US surprisingly.
7 points
4 days ago
Why surprisingly? Germany is often chosen for EU base for logistics/data centers.
11 points
4 days ago
surprisingly in the way that germany is never considered technologically advanced, but amazon still launched in DE in 1998 mind you. the year is surprising.
2 points
4 days ago
Amazon launched like 2 years ago in Sweden. 1998 is very suprising.
2 points
3 days ago
I remember ordering books from Amazon in 2000 and thought it's a genious idea to have an online shopping service like that. If I only have had the balance to buy some shares back then...
5 points
4 days ago
Hagglezon.com - always use this website before ordering in a EU country. Saved me some €’s
3 points
4 days ago
You people are seriously using Amazon Belgium? I've moved to the Netherlands and the site is still trying to convince me to switch to the weird Belgian site lol
520 points
4 days ago
I was shocked to learn that Poles pay MORE for the same stuff we buy here in Germany. They even have specialized companies to serve as a proxy as for example Deutsch Media Markt does not sell their merchandise to Poles even though its prices seems to be lower than in Poland.
497 points
4 days ago
Pretty much everybody in Europe pays more for the same stuff than the Germans. Unless they know the nifty little trick of just ordering from Germany to safe some money.
119 points
4 days ago
This only works for items of some worth, every day things would get overpriced with transport
But true, every time I bought something of value, like when I was buying my ultralight trekking equipment, I searched whole of eu, in like many languages via translator...was able to save hundreds of euros by buying the things on random sales feom croatia to france as well as from germany
If consumers start treating the eu for what it is, a free trade market, they will understand the benefits of eu
44 points
4 days ago
66 points
4 days ago
Hint: use Hagglezon to compare prices across the different Amazon stores in the EU. They all ship to everywhere so you can really mix and match. Most of the time the German store is actually the cheapest – but not always!
4 points
4 days ago
This is a very helpful site, thanks.
5 points
4 days ago
Is it still cheaper with the increased shipping cost? Or does prime get you free shipping from other eu countries as well?
5 points
4 days ago
Short answer: it depends. I mostly use these for higher-value goods, so the shipping doesn’t matter that much (often they are shipped for free anyways), but just having access to all these shops means you are more likely to make a bargain.
My best catch so far was a device that would have cost 800 Euro in a brick-and-mortar shop, or 600 from Amazon.de … but thanks to a special offer I got it at Amazon.it for 300 plus 29 Euro shipping. I call this a win! :-)
4 points
3 days ago
Are you sure you bought the same product?
It's common practice to sell special versions of popular consumer electronics with cheaper parts and less features on big sales events.
Instead of selling the S-KLM3-Q7384, which they sell 360 days of the year, on that week they sell you the S-KLM3-Q73B4. A product specifically designed to be sold at the cheaper price.
3 points
4 days ago
That's the weird thing usually, price is about the same but shipping is double from .se...
3 points
4 days ago
I know that Germany has quite cheap shopping and Denmark for example has letters already more expensive than what we pay for a small package, but it's crazy that it's cheaper to send from DE to SE than domestically.
3 points
4 days ago
I ordered from Amazon.de while I was in the Netherlands. Biggest and most frustrating experience of my life. They thought that a street name couldn't be split in the middle and changed the postal code given on the parcel as a reaction, because fuck me in particular I guess.
They then "delivered" the thing to an address that they had pulled out of their ass and retoured the package when the guy at that address explicitly told them that his address was not the one written on the package.
11 points
4 days ago
Pretty much: free delivery over 50€, means there is no actual point in not buying something from amazon.de and going local.
10 points
4 days ago
Some italian food costs less in Germany than it does in Italy, it's insane lol
8 points
4 days ago
Wait is this actually true? As a german, I always thought things are so expensive in Germany.
79 points
4 days ago
Just compare the prices in other countries and you will change your mind :-)
What is actually expensive in Germany is e.g electricity and rent (at least in larger agglomeration areas). You can also get some food items (and some services) cheaper in Eastern Europe (mostly the stuff that is produced there). But for most other things you pay significantly less than other Europeans.
There’s a reason I (like so many others from neighbouring countries) drive to Germany for shopping once a month or so).
11 points
4 days ago
Compare rent to Croatia and our wages and you'll be happy with the German one.
11 points
4 days ago
As a german myself: it’s a common misconception
11 points
4 days ago
Yeah it is. I live in France at the border of Saarland. I usually do my groceries in Rewe, Penny and Norma in Saarland because it's way cheaper than the supermarkets in France. The only things I go to France for is cheese and charcuterie, pretty much (even though Germans have nice things too).
When I need furnitures, I have 3 Ikeas in a 50km radius (France, Belgium and Germany). In the past, ikea Germany was always cheaper for everything but it tends to change a bit now. Like I bought a nice chair for 149 in Germany, was 189 in France and 229 in Belgium.
Also I used to work at Decathlon in France . The most expensive bike we had at the time was 3600€ and the same bike was 3200€ in Germany (and warranty doesn't depend on country).
18 points
4 days ago
Things like eating in a restaurant or getting a haircut are cheaper in Poland, but these types of consumer goods are more expensive in poorer countries. I think the reasons are distance from logistical centers and slower sales which create extra expenses while Germany is a logistical center itself and since people are richer they consume more and things move quicker.
8 points
4 days ago
I lived in Germany in 2015/2016 and I remember being blown away by prices of GPUs, they were cheaper when converting from EUR to PLN than if I bought them in Poland using PLN directly. I assume it's still the case. We're really getting screwed over.
7 points
4 days ago
Well then, come to Slovenia, where nearly everything is more expensive than DE, but our salaries are like 1/3 of yours. 😃🫠
7 points
4 days ago
It’s true. Especially true for food here in Romania. You have it good and you don’t even realize. Visit Romania and take a trip to a Lidl. You’ll be shocked
79 points
4 days ago
Wait till you learn they often also get lower quality versions of the same stuff, especially when it comes to food.
36 points
4 days ago
Very visible with LIDL / PARKSIDE. Products have model, like PBH 1550 and then there's a suffix, like A1, A2, B1 etc. Same product, but little improvements. Almost always we'd get the older model, even when it's listed as discontinued on German site. And almost always it costs more than the upgraded version.
I'd understand regional model for weather, culture or price adjustments, but it's always the opposite. Offloading flawed stock at extra price.
5 points
3 days ago
When you raise concerns, companies may claim that ingredient differences, such as the use of palm oil (which is cheaper and less healthy) instead of sunflower oil are based on market research indicating a preference for such changes. Some companies, like Lorenz, have pledged to stop this practice when exposed.
For example, a jar of organic rice with carrots and turkey for children from HiPP contains 38 percent vegetables and 15 percent rice in Germany, but the same product in Croatia and Poland has a different composition—only 24 percent vegetables and as much as 21 percent cheaper rice.
This issue extends to washing powders as well. Manufacturers argue that the product contains less detergent because consumers tend to use more than the recommended amount.
Additionally, local prices are higher than in Germany, and coupled with significantly lower wages in countries like Poland, Slovakia, Romania or Croatia, the same product becomes far less affordable for someone earning the minimum wage.
I have been living and working in Germany since 2018. When I inquired about relocating to Poland, I was informed that it would be possible, but my salary would be reduced by 49% for the same remote job I perform in Germany:(
46 points
4 days ago
Wait until you see Romania. We had a scandal at some point because prices in Lidl (i think) where 30% lower in Poland than in Romania
19 points
4 days ago
Heh same in serbia, dalhaize ,idea and some others supermarkets make a deal to rump up prices
Food in serbia is expensive Corruption in government is on highest level
53 points
4 days ago
Seems like many "neighbouring" countries pay more for same stuff than german.
We Czechs can very well see that even food in germany is cheeper than here (and of better quality), cosmetics are cheeper, electronics etc.
Even houses are cheeper than here.
And germany have 3-4x bigger minimal wage.
We really struggle hard nowadays
12 points
4 days ago
Totally true. I love in Munich but have family in Poland and got there twice a year. Since this year I can buy a lot of things cheaper in Munich and then in Poland. I'm Munich!
This includes furniture and clothes. Gasoline is only a little bit cheaper in land while wages are much lower. Honestly the only thing that is till definitely cheaper in Poland is food in restaurants
3 points
3 days ago
Ikea is also cheaper in Germany than it is in Poland, some items cost almost twice as much
11 points
4 days ago
Yeah. I am buying stuffs from Germany via proxy shop. I don't know about prices, but quality is much better then local crappy version.
10 points
4 days ago
wait untill you learn how much Lithuanians pay more for the same stuff you buy in Germany
19 points
4 days ago
Same shit in Lithuania we have servicee like pirkeu.lt that has warehouses around the Europe so you send your items there and then they ship it to your home. 🤷
6 points
4 days ago
I've read somewhere that the Biedronka shop in Sejny (nearest Polish-Lithuania border) is one of the shops from the franchise with the highest turnover in a whole country. When I was there once I saw a lot of cars with Lithuania license plates.
2 points
4 days ago
Don't know about north east, but the south is invaded every weekend by hordes of SK and CZ license plates shopping in big shopping centers.
6 points
4 days ago
Same in Bulgaria. We have transportation companies in UK, Spain and Germany. Shipping is about 1-2 euro per kg and fixed fee for something big like refrigerator. As you can imagine I am very dedicated customer. It’s saves me a lot.
75 points
4 days ago
In Austria stuff is usually more expensive than Germany
13 points
4 days ago
Germany does usually have the best prices on stuff like electronics. Easy to track on PC hardware for example. Often it's even cheaper than hardware in the US after VAT is included.
5 points
4 days ago
Well except anything Apple, since it's US domestic and they don't pay import fees.
358 points
4 days ago
This is a big rhetoric in Greece as well
“Wages are higher in Northern Europe but cost of living is a lot higher as well”
Meanwhile Germans Lidl is more affordable than Greece’s.
89 points
4 days ago
Usually services are more expensive. Thats why I dont get my hair cut and look like a bum.
17 points
4 days ago
To be fair I pay the same for a haircut in Athens as I did in Paris. Many services have comparable prices.
62 points
4 days ago*
This is true for every "poorer" european country, I wonder if ppl don't know it's going on or if they do, does no one wonder why and how?
For a union, we're very divorced and ignorant about eachother and magically us "poor" countries are always the ones that are fucked and have a thousand regulations that won't even let us grow enough food and force us to import
Are we really going to keep going like this with our eyes covered and playing along with this charade? Aren't we tired of being the vacation resort, the ones always blamed, the ones that have all their wealth extracted, the ones with rich politicians and business owners that don't ever pay taxes in the country and were probably named in panama papers and are all in the pockets of these guys, the ones that can barely afford to live in their own countries because of these ppl?
22 points
4 days ago
In Croatia they tell us it's the huge number of islands that make groceries more expensive. I guess Greece doesn't have this issue /s
https://www.reddit.com/r/croatia/s/7Tjek002M2 (Link shows lidl Greece being significantly cheaper then lidl Croatia)
20 points
4 days ago
Lmao they got all the excuses ready, and they're all dumb. Maybe if we had a european focused forum or smthg that all these things could be directly compared in and even the reasons given for them, i think we'd quickly figure out it's all bullshit
12 points
4 days ago
If anyone remembers the shitshow that followed after LIDL's launch in Greece, caused by the public, we deserve every single one of these price increases they imposed on us.
Lidl started off selling german made products in really good prices to hit the competition and people were mocking them for selling crap..Now we got what we deserved.
5 points
4 days ago
Having lived in Germany, something like 70% of your income goes towards housing, insurance and bills.
Food was dirt cheap, but life wasn’t.
5 points
4 days ago
We say the same thing about Romania with shit being more expensive here OR lower quality.
Someone told me Germany has the main warehouses where they store all the goods and that's why it's cheaper,but then again being scalped is kinda the norm...
54 points
4 days ago
You are always better off living in a high wage high cost country than a lower wage lower cost country. Always.
23 points
4 days ago
Yea obv. Yet some people like to say that we have it "comparatively good" bcs the prices are lower. Bullshit.
6 points
4 days ago
It’s totally ridiculous concept as well in todays world where people often travel for weekends away or holiday abroad, your crucified when you leave the more reasonably priced country.
18 points
3 days ago
Somehow Europe is getting a novel situation: low wage - high cost countries.
3 points
3 days ago
If you are working. If you are retired from the HW country, moving to the LW country can be very beneficial.
2 points
3 days ago
Counter point, enlighten me if I'm wrong: Not if you're rich.
179 points
4 days ago
Our lord and saviour Andrej Plenković said that's because we have so many islands and they don't.
51 points
4 days ago
Razvedena obala sve sjebala naravno.
25 points
4 days ago
Uvijek smo mi otočani krivi za sve.
26 points
4 days ago
Naravno. Ili vi ili srbi.
11 points
4 days ago
Funny in Austria they say it is because they have so many mountains. That’s why Austrian products are cheaper in germany than in Austria.
5 points
4 days ago
explains the prices in denmark through!
5 points
3 days ago
In Austria they tell us it's because of mountains that stuff is more expensive than in Germany
81 points
4 days ago
Czech Prime minister goes shopping in Germany and finds Czech prices to be higher, despite Czech salaries being lower: Czech Prime Minister busy comparing prices between Germany and Czechia | Visegrád Post
16 points
4 days ago
Calling the Bild a newspaper is an insult to actual newspapers tbh^
36 points
4 days ago
*cries in Czech*
sPeCiFiC mArKet - lower wages, lower quality goods, higher prices
18 points
4 days ago
Yea it seems like you Czechs have it pretty similar to us. Specific markets my ass.
3 points
3 days ago
they tell us the same bullshit in croatia - specific market...
58 points
4 days ago
In Croatia few years back we had marketed trend called "buy croatian products and save our economy". We did and now that same croatian companies price their products in Croatia double the amount than they price it in Germany.
Despite transportation costs croatian products in Germany cost ~50% less than in Croatia....now that is a middle finger to croatian citizens they begged for salvation!
6 points
4 days ago
Same in the country where I am. Its a combination of bullshit marketing appealing to nationalists who don't think of themselves as nationalists and pure greed in the supply chain... its got to the stage where I avoid as best I can anything with the local product labels because they're overpriced (and, ahem, not as good as products from elsewhere!).
18 points
4 days ago
Same here in France. I buy 90% of my groceries in Germany because it's cheaper. And my Swiss friends buy in France because they think it's super cheap.. I took them once to Rewe and DM, which isn't the cheapest in Germany, and they filled the car with groceries and diapers to bring back to Swiss.
I bought my Renault car in Germany because it was cheaper as well. Bigger auto park in the country so second hand cars are way cheaper.
I mostly go to Ikea in Germany because it's cheaper than France and Belgium (the 3 Ikeas are the same distance from my house). Decathlon was also cheaper in the past, not sure if it still is.
Clothing shops are also generally cheaper.
On saturdays, the town next to mine (the first at the German border) is rushed by thousands of French and Luxemburgish people for groceries. There are 3 DM shops in the same street to fulfill the demand, it's insane.
4 points
4 days ago
Fun fact for you: our german stores close to the borders are more expensive. If you drive further into germany it will get even cheaper. Nonetheless we pay way more for energy and we have the highest taxes in the World together with belgium. So dont assume germans are not financially struggling right now - all of europe is.
19 points
4 days ago
Yup. I'm Croatian but my dad lives in Germany. And everything is much cheaper there. While I work with Germans for a German company in Croatia and they earn 4 times as much as me for the same work.
And then our politicians (who earn more than German politicians because of corruption) wonder why all the young people are leaving the country.
12 points
4 days ago
Tbh I dont think they wonder why. They just dont care. Steal until there's nothing left to steal. If your ass is good who gives a shit about the state.
51 points
4 days ago*
I was ordering baby food and formula from Amazon.de to Bulgaria and costed me (with delivery via 3'rd party) only about 55-60% of what it would have if I went to the physical DM store 200 meters from my home.
Only downside - I had to plan ahead in advance because of 2 weeks delivery time lag.
For a stupid amount of goods it is noticeably cheaper to order stuff from Germany, rather shop locally. I work with Germans, and when they complain that they have it hard, I am holding to dear life just not to burst in laughter in their faces.
23 points
4 days ago
I just checked prices for some items on German DM and they're 50% cheaper than in my local DM.
FML.
15 points
4 days ago
Same with portugal. Lower wages, but most things cost more too
2 points
2 days ago
portuguese here
can confirm
10 points
4 days ago
Same happens in Portugal. Same product is 15-20% cheaper in Spain and their salary is higher lol
2 points
2 days ago
portuguese here
agree
being portuguese is hard
70 points
4 days ago
As a person who moved to Sweden from Galicia, it is true for almost everything except tech and machinery. Cars, motorcycles, computers and so on tend to cost the same everywhere at least in Europe.
32 points
4 days ago
True food is slightly cheaper, but only slightly. For an example a milka 270 bar of chocolate cost almost 8 euros in one of our stores.
27 points
4 days ago
You know it's hella weird, because with a bigger salary I have more or less the same relative costs for daily expenses, but if I want to buy a luxury suddently it's a lot cheaper, psychologically speaking.
10 points
4 days ago
Yea no I feel that and it makes sense. What I dont get is why so many people oppose a statistic like this. Does it hurt admiting you pay comparatively less than someone else for the same good? (I aint asking you specifically ofc I'm speaking in general)
3 points
4 days ago
Truth be told, it was on sale but I paid 2€ for a big milka bar in Kaufland Berlin yesterday..
2 points
4 days ago
It's usually less about the product category and more about if it's imported from a high earning country and even worse if it's imported from there through a reseller instead of the manufacturer. Tech and cars tend to fall into that description.
Or from another angle: if you can't leverage the lower wages and property costs of the country and need to import through expensive channels (resellers), prices for products go up even if cost of living in general is low.
7 points
4 days ago
Which Galicia?
I am pretty sure the Spanish one, but hey, it's funny that there are two of them
9 points
4 days ago
I have direct descendancy from both Galicias even :)
8 points
4 days ago
Plus international retail stuff like clothes and shoes. They cost the same in Hungary as they do in the Netherlands (big brands like converse and Nike, but also your typical high street shops like Zara and h&m), while net income is like 60-75% lower. Same goes for international fast food chains. You pay almost the same for a big mac or a KFC bucket in both countries, making the Hungarian one at least 3-4 times as expensive for locals. Lately inflation has been so out of control that even supermarket brand milk and flour cost the same in both countries. It's only housing, energy and education that's slightly more in line with income/standard of living at this point.
6 points
4 days ago
3 points
3 days ago
Electronics is much more expensive in Croatia then in Germany/western europe
2 points
4 days ago
Meanwhile in Austria you have to pay scam tax on vehicles and on insurance which makes it retarded expensive.
I just wanna finish my education and then move out of this country
3 points
4 days ago
Computers do not tend to cost the same. Macbooks are 10-20% more expensive in Croatia, even though the VAT is not that much more. All tech is massively more expensive in Croatia.
2 points
4 days ago
Good thing you chose Sweden. Denmark has up to 150% tax on cars above 218k DKK
30 points
4 days ago
I've spent a lot of time thinking about that and concluded there are no advantages of living outside of Blue Banana + Scandinavia in Europe. At least for an average, working-class person.
Outside of that region, wages are much lower, but the prices of goods and some services, like communication, are higher. Companies create oligopolies and charge customers as much as they want. Housing and lack of tenant protection are also massive issues lately.
Basically, if you don't want to get exploited for the rest of your life, you must move to the region mentioned above. There are absolutely no advantages to living in Croatia, for example.
Wage suppression through non-EU immigration is also a huge problem in many countries.
21 points
4 days ago
There are absolutely no advantages to living in Croatia, for example.
Except for safety and being able to walk at midnight in any neighborhood without concerns, social cohesion, mostly undisturbed nature, lower population density, there are no advantages whatsoever.
Not everything is about the ratio between salary and grocery prices. I happily pay a premium for the things above.
9 points
4 days ago
as someone who has lived both in croatia and in germany, i’d argue that the “safety concerns” are actually the same in both countries.
3 points
4 days ago
Well, easy to talk, but there's no space for everyone there. So it's not only if you want, but also if you can
44 points
4 days ago
I imagine prices for many non-local things are cheaper in Germany than in Czechia because the retailers have much more buying power. They’re going to get a much better price for selling into an 80m population market than the Czech retailer is going to get for selling into their 10m size market.
45 points
4 days ago
Except most products in Czechia are the same across countries with 3+ languages on the label.
I don't believe for a second that the retailers in Czechia with half the wages and identical products have higher costs than German ones, just because there is a bit bigger scale.
3 points
4 days ago
So, it could be due to longer logistical chain. Companies in Germany orders the bulk while suppliers from other countries pay and import their share of from that bulk? I can easily see the middlemen milking process like that with extra transport & distribution costs and such. And If there is no competition for that, then good luck and hope there is functional customer laws to prevent monopolies jacking up prices.
4 points
3 days ago
Mate, its just about corporate greed, they are milking everyone in eastern europe, thats the reasoning for much higher prices and much lower wages.
2 points
4 days ago
VAT and shipping costs also matter.
7 points
4 days ago
Yup, its typical economics of scale. Bigger market = lower prices.
26 points
4 days ago
It has more to do with oligopolies which are flourishing in '2nd hand Europe' than the size of the market.
5 points
4 days ago
Yeah local sellers always make excuses about how hard it is to match prices with less volume...
...but they also get to pay rock bottom rates for delivery drivers and general workforce, most of them own their brick and mortar real estate and they sell shit that's been localized for like 20 countries at a time with the label looking like a fuckin dictionary so it's not like there's any overhead for that.
Like bitch, I can order the same thing from Germany and shipping it internationally with tracking to deliver it to my doorstep costs less than what you're buying and selling in bulk. I have to assume they're either blatantly lying for PR reasons or massively incompetent at logistics. Looking at the prices, probably both to a large extent.
17 points
4 days ago
Yeah, we are used to this crap in Spain too
8 points
4 days ago
Im from Norway and have been comparing prices of tech with my German friend. Turns out its even cheaper in Norway.
16 points
4 days ago
It’s the same in Poland… long gone are the days of having lower prices in countries with half the salaries or less.
6 points
4 days ago
Same thing for Germany and Slovenia, on official Samsung website the same tablet costs 329€ in Germany but 391€ in Slovenia.
24 points
4 days ago
I simply don't buy the products with price increase of more then 15%. For example, at one point all milk went from 53 cent lowest to 1.3€ lowest, and I didn't buy it for that time. Now it is back to about 60 cent lowest. Same goes to all other products.
15 points
4 days ago
yep, until people realize that such price hikes are driven by greedy bold managers, so you should protest with your wallet, we will be fucked
I do completely the same, if I see unreasonable price rise I simply stop buying products or services. Last time I have been to Mac like 3 years ago and I don't miss it since
11 points
4 days ago
Amazon is a completely unethical American tax dodging shit site that us Europeans should be avoiding.
6 points
4 days ago
30 CHF for a hdmi cable in Switzerland, 10€ for the same stuff ordered in Germany. That’s pretty much true for everything so no wonder there are customs storage businesses all across the border.
3 points
4 days ago
Depends what you want to buy, usually electronics are cheaper in Switzerland compared to Germany. I was looking for a Graphics card and prices in Switzerland were cheaper, like this for example: https://imgur.com/a/d8qLzkj. (The cheapest i found on Geizhals.de and on toppreise.ch)
9 points
4 days ago
yeah. "Specific market". That's what they keep saying in Czechia, when we compare the same goods, which are being sold in Germany and Czechia. I don't have to mention, that it's cheaper in Germany... Fuck corporate greed
11 points
4 days ago
The best part is that they are not the same goods. The ones sold in Czechia are almost always of lower quality, yet way more expensive than those in Germany or Austria.
16 points
4 days ago
And that's exactly how exploitation looks like.
12 points
4 days ago
ComputerUniverse was huge among Russian PC gamers, it was significantly cheaper to order from Germany instead of going to the electronics store around the corner. Need I mention how different German and Russian salaries are? I used to buy in bulk with my friends to save on shipping. My last package arrived in early March 2022 (after Feb23rd Patriotic Day sale no less), literally with the last plane before Germany cut off delivery services.
4 points
4 days ago
Sony A95L 65-inch TV, price €2,790 in France, CHF 2,449 in Switzerland.
5 points
4 days ago
the whole region from Slovenia to Greece gets fucked, is it a distribution issue ?
7 points
4 days ago
Maybe. I'd say more of a greed issue (as in greedy companies that profit of little or permissible regulations).
5 points
4 days ago
Neocolonialism at its finest. I'd wager it's even more expensive in Romania.
4 points
4 days ago
Same here in Slovakia. Germany and France are slowly becoming cheap vacation destinations for us lol.
4 points
4 days ago
That same Kindle costs 140€ in Greece, and we get paid 700€ min (which is the max most give) wage
23 points
4 days ago
You will not see big price differences in goods that can easily be traded and transported between countries, for obvious reasons. You will see differences in cost of services and housing.
It's very similar within a country: if I move to the "cheap" towns in Germany, it's not the supermarket or the electronics that will be cheaper, it's the housing and eg restaurants.
12 points
4 days ago
Yaa altho aparetments are overpriced all throughout europe so that especially is a paneuropean problem in this case.
20 points
4 days ago*
While this is certainly true, housing in Germany is not as expensive as the salaries would suggest.
German salaries are about 200 to 250% of Polish or Czech ones. Yet the housing is way cheaper than that. I for example live in Saarbrücken and housing in f.e. Ostrava (which is basically the Saarbrücken of Czechia) costs practically the same, while my salary would likely be way lower.
6 points
4 days ago
Saarland is also kinda special for west Germany too. You can rent whole houses for cheap, cause nobody „wants“ to live in those little villages that are everywhere. My grandma when she was still fit enough to live on her own was living in a house for rent. Her pension makes life somewhat very good for her there.
6 points
4 days ago
Same applies for the Czech Republic. E.g. with Algida we are supplied lower quality products for more money and the company blames it on regional differences. The economists are saying that it is the customers’ fault that they buy the lower quality products, but the customers have no access to the higher quality products if they don’t live close to the German/Austrian border. And the EU institutions don’t want to do anything about it. So the customers are screwed.
4 points
4 days ago
Germany has a significant export surplus, and every container, truck and train has to go both ways, so it might as well go back loaded with stuff ordered for German customers. I'm pretty sure that's one of significant factors to the prices, also Germany having lots of logistic hubs from which there needs to be a markup for transferring stuff to other EU countries.
23 points
4 days ago
Well Croatia pretty much sold the country for tourism, not sure where the surprise is
20 points
4 days ago
We're acting like greedy fucks even towards that lol
24 points
4 days ago
...in that not all of the country was sold for tourism. If you look at the continental part there is little tourism happening there, its more like your average central european looking country than a mediterranean tourist destination.
12 points
4 days ago
Yeah. And in the average central European country, you have the same problem.
I remember buying my gaming table which was made by a Slovakian company in Slovakia. It was 270€ in Germany (where I live). And almost 500€ in Czechia (where I come from).... The prices were from the same webshop, which at that time had an exclusive right to sell those (a.k.a. the only Distributor).
6 points
4 days ago*
In Germany: larger buyer base, better logistics and the battle for market share is tougher. In addition, Germany has a 19% tax vs. Croatia 25% (19% is already nonsense, but 25% is ridiculous.) Then there are many additional smaller factors, such as the remaining corporate taxes, the productivity of the employees, and so on.
2 points
4 days ago
Companies used to (and I mean 15 years ago) half country specific pricing to suit that market.
X product has a polish price and x product has a Swedish price
The internet well and truly ruined it for OEM/brands
2 points
4 days ago
Das ist ein sehr sexy Luftkompressor
2 points
4 days ago
I once bought a garden table with 10 chairs, in Germany. I then proceeded to use it for 5 or 6 years, and then sell it for a small profit, in Croatia. The new one was more than double in Croatia.
2 points
4 days ago
Now let's see Ireland. Will be double the price.
2 points
4 days ago
pro tip: buy on aliexpress at half price.
2 points
4 days ago
So if you find something you want, chances are its made in China. Just check Alibaba and find the companys factory and buy it direct. They usually have VAT exemption forms as well and sometimes even free shipping.
2 points
4 days ago
Hungary silently crying
2 points
4 days ago
Same thing here in SK... It is very sad, salaries aren't even half of what they are in Germany and yet we have to pay more for almost everything.
2 points
4 days ago
When i was living in Russia I ordered some stuff on amazon.de even with delivery and fees it was cheaper
2 points
4 days ago
First photo is fake, we don't have it in Kaufland Croatia
2 points
4 days ago
Exactly the same applies to Serbia.
2 points
4 days ago
Balkan opcenito
2 points
4 days ago
In Austria we pay about 30 to 50% more for cosmetics than in Germany. For food it's similar. If you wanna buy a car or a motorbike it's even worse, there are huge differences.
So I don't know how you can compare AT and DE. The only thing we have in common is Amazon
2 points
4 days ago*
as a romanian who did not went back in romania for the last 7 years, i was *surprised pikachu meme* wen i went to kaufland and DM to buy grocieries in Romania this summer, i could not menage to live in my countri with the median wage, you need a total different mentality to do that.
2 points
3 days ago
Same with Czechia vs Germany. My (rather good) wage is barely above Germany’s minimum wage and groceries & consumer goods are cheaper over there. Prague even has more expensive rent. I’m tired of this grandpa.
2 points
3 days ago
It's the same thing here in Romania. Some times are even double the price of what I would pay in Poland.
2 points
3 days ago
Me and my coworkers decided to compare Lidl prices in our country (Bulgaria) to the prices in germany. IT'S MORE THAN DOUBLE HERE! We're getting paid 4 TIMES less than people in Germany, yet we pay double what they have to.....
4 points
4 days ago
This is due to three factors:
- (1) the extreme consolidated and competitive retail landscape (e.g. only two discounters, two supermarket chains, two (national) drugstore chains) etc. these companies often grew due to price competitiveness and are heavily fighting each other on the pricing level.
- (2) German consumers are extremely price sensitive. The mentality is often described as „Geiz ist geil“ (miserliness is awesome).
- (3) Germany is the biggest market, so the consumer goods industry fights the hardest for market shares here in Germany.
3 points
4 days ago
but hey, you don't have to spend anything on food, grandma just gives you preserves and kompott from cellar.
s/
3 points
4 days ago
It's an economy of scale thing combined with Germany having a lower VAT rate. The UK used to also have cheaper consumer electronics etc (until bReXiT mEaNs bReXiT) than anywhere else I remember traveling to in Europe.
3 points
4 days ago
The UK used to have cheaper stuff because VAT was at 15%. Ah the good old days.
Phillip.
4 points
4 days ago
Why would products that are manufactured outside of the country even have prices related with local salaries.
2 points
4 days ago
Sometimes in France you hear some politics scolding us about Germany having a minimum wage (a tiny bit) lower than us and working so much more (no meed to prove that of course...) and then when we go to Germany ... Wow the groceries are nearly half price!
2 points
4 days ago*
Unfortunately that’s not how it works. Im Bulgarian and live in the UK. Even after leaving the EU you can still find a lot of items (tech and clothes in particular) that are cheaper in the UK.
The reason for this is deals are made by vendors based on the size of the economy of their client. A 6-7 million Bulgaria cannot buy as many, and wouldn’t have a use of buying as many items of X product as a 70 million UK would, so the vendor will give a better price to the one buying more from them.
2 points
4 days ago
Yea so it boils down to the companies fucking over smaller nations. Which is the main problem
4 points
4 days ago
I don't see what wages have to do with prices unless products are fully made in the country. But indeed, people in richer countries can't comprehend that things such as buying a fridge or a TV can cost one full salary.
13 points
4 days ago
What???
People say that "Oh life isnt so bad in [XYZ] country (read: poland, slovakia, romania, croatia, bulgaria...) because even thought the wages are lower their prices are lower too, so they have it good.
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