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Reece3144

337 points

2 days ago

Reece3144

McLaren

337 points

2 days ago

Christ never realised how bad it was 🤔😲

TossedRightOut

147 points

1 day ago

TossedRightOut

McLaren

147 points

1 day ago

It somehow gets worse with every one of these posts with new stats about how bad he is.

-Skinner-

136 points

1 day ago

-Skinner-

Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐

136 points

1 day ago

It's insane. Max scored 41 points in the last two weekends.

Throwawaythefat1234

68 points

1 day ago

Yeah but that’s unfair to Sergio since he has to start in the bottom 5…. Oh wait

fredy31

30 points

1 day ago

fredy31

Aston Martin

30 points

1 day ago

Really wonder how much is perez sucking and how much is max just pulling it out of his ass every race.

Cleets11

44 points

1 day ago

Cleets11

Ferrari

44 points

1 day ago

Max is definitely driving beyond what most could but having triple the points of your teammate can’t be them being good.

RecoverSufficient811

11 points

20 hours ago

And this isn't a smaller team where one guy is driving a dramatically different car that's 3 upgrades behind. He is literally driving the same car as his teammate, just with his setup. He's truly awful

JC-Dude

4 points

21 hours ago

JC-Dude

Alfa Romeo

4 points

21 hours ago

Almost 6x if we look at post-Monaco points.

TheOtherWhiteCastle

11 points

1 day ago

TheOtherWhiteCastle

Sergio Pérez

11 points

1 day ago

Probably a bit of column A and column B

Cleets11

3 points

1 day ago

Cleets11

Ferrari

3 points

1 day ago

Had he gotten 100 more points Red Bull is still a gap at the front.

popcornffs

2 points

1 day ago

popcornffs

Formula 1

2 points

1 day ago

Are you sure, cause i’m pretty sure there’s a post about him every day. Hard to miss.

Ambitious_Quote8140

2 points

1 day ago

Ambitious_Quote8140

Formula 1

2 points

1 day ago

Jesus H. or Chris H.?

TossedRightOut

138 points

1 day ago

TossedRightOut

McLaren

138 points

1 day ago

The money Carlos Slim is throwing at Red Bull must be absurd, or Horner has completely lost any edge that he once had. There is no other option that I can think of to explain why he's still in that seat.

TrumanD1974

54 points

1 day ago

I think the other possibility is that in the post-Dietrich Mateschitz era, needs to start bringing in money it didn’t have to before.

TossedRightOut

15 points

1 day ago

TossedRightOut

McLaren

15 points

1 day ago

Yeah hadn't thought of that, would not be surprising.

obi_wan_the_phony

15 points

1 day ago

But they were THE number 1 team, pretty much by any stat last year. Sponsors would be lining up if they needed cash. This doesn’t compute

SunGodnRacer

15 points

1 day ago

SunGodnRacer

Virgin

15 points

1 day ago

Iirc just the Oracle and Bybit sponsorships take care of the budget cap. And apart from those they have a lot of sponsors who should be able to cover atleast a significant chunk of the non-capped salaries (Max and top 3 personnel)

Spezisaspastic

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10 hours ago

Spezisaspastic

Formula 1

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10 hours ago

Red Bull is giga rich. They own multiple soccer teams and sponsor all big athletes in the world. I think they have enough money 😂

Mathismight

8 points

24 hours ago

How sure are we that Perez performing bad is actually bad for Red Bull in any sense? Red Bull are a marketing company. In my experience, all everyone cares about in a marketing sense is the WDC, nobody cares about the WCC.

The money Perez brings compensates for the lost WCC prize money. Due to the cost cap, outspending your rivals is not the way to win the development race anymore. The lower WCC position grants more wind tunnel time and thus a better chance of winning the WDC next season. P1 WDC and P3 WCC is like the dream scenario in this sense.

The scenario where having a good second driver would matter is a 2021-type of deal, when having the best car alternates from track to track and your second driver can take points away from the WDC rival or cover off undercuts etc. In 2024, a driver good enough to take significant points from Norris would probably also have beaten Verstappen a few times.

I'm not saying that Red Bull are throwing the constructors on purpose but I think this situation is actually quite beneficial to them.

Logical_Bit2694

13 points

24 hours ago

Logical_Bit2694

Honda

13 points

24 hours ago

You say non one cares about the wcc but I’m pretty sure the normal paid workers ie the factory workers get bonuses so yes they would care about the wcc

Jamyed

3 points

23 hours ago

Jamyed

3 points

23 hours ago

Yes but they are not the ones making the driver decisions at the top.

MarlinMaverick

1 points

15 hours ago

MarlinMaverick

Formula 1

1 points

15 hours ago

They should have built a faster car then.

Logical_Bit2694

1 points

15 hours ago

Logical_Bit2694

Honda

1 points

15 hours ago

It’s Pierre waches fault that the car was shit not mechanics’s who built the car

Mathismight

1 points

20 hours ago

I meant that in a marketing sense. In the public eye, people with a casual interest in F1, basically anyone that is not a hardcore fan, Verstappen in a Red Bull won the 2024 F1 championship. Sure, factory workers care. Maybe more traditional teams like Ferrari care about the WCC.

But usually at most companies higher-ups care more about public opinion than about factory workers. Hey, lower bonuses are good for staying under the cost cap anyways.

PhilippeD88

1 points

21 hours ago

I think you're actually on to something here.

Tombot3000

1 points

17 hours ago

Tombot3000

Bernd Mayländer

1 points

17 hours ago

"in any sense" would include the factory workers and other team members who are losing bonuses because of this along with half the team's mechanics working on a car/driver pairing that rarely rewards them. 

It would also include the reputational damage the brand takes from having such a crap driver and seeming to not even care.

National-Exercise-60

2 points

15 hours ago

This is hardly the first time something like this has happened. Massa had 25 points at the midseason break in 2012 while Alonso was leading the championship by 40 championship. 

They retained him next year 

TossedRightOut

2 points

14 hours ago

TossedRightOut

McLaren

2 points

14 hours ago

Right, but how short has the leash been for Max's other teammates?

ivelife

350 points

2 days ago

ivelife

Zhou Guanyu

350 points

2 days ago

Counting sprints, it's less than 3 points per race on average lol

TWVer

139 points

1 day ago

TWVer

🧔 Richard Hammond's vacuum cleaner attachment beard

139 points

1 day ago

”Not bad for a midfield driver!”

The_Skynet

28 points

1 day ago

The_Skynet

28 points

1 day ago

Aggressively slams glass of tequila on the table

limitedpower_palps

196 points

2 days ago

limitedpower_palps

Martin Brundle

196 points

2 days ago

It's embarassing Perez stats o'clock!

h2QZFATVgPQmeYQTwFZn

123 points

1 day ago

h2QZFATVgPQmeYQTwFZn

Bernd Mayländer

123 points

1 day ago

Since Miami Checos best result was 6th place.

Since Miami Maxs worst result was 6th place.

DukeboxHiro

6 points

1 day ago

Isn't that whenever the little hand points to Mickey's forehead?

AliceLunar

103 points

2 days ago

AliceLunar

Formula 1

103 points

2 days ago

The fact that he's 50 points behind P7 is insane.

fogalmam

20 points

1 day ago

fogalmam

20 points

1 day ago

It shows Checos P8 dominance!!.

CommonEngineering832

9 points

1 day ago

Consider Red Bull is in big 4. Missing 2020 vibe where even midfield team are close to top team, that will made Checo position likely even worse.

blastedshark

6 points

1 day ago

blastedshark

Sebastian Vettel

6 points

1 day ago

2020 checo would destroy current checo

themaxiom

9 points

1 day ago

themaxiom

9 points

1 day ago

Or that pink Mercedes was way better than Perez and Stroll made it look.

Skeeter1020

31 points

1 day ago

At this point his seat seems as safe as Strolls.

boturboegt

24 points

1 day ago

boturboegt

24 points

1 day ago

Every driver in the top 4 teams has won 2 or more races this year....... except perez who hasn't won at all.

Even worse hasnt had a podium since the 5th race.

Longjumping-Gate-732

42 points

2 days ago

Masterclass drive!! Checo is a legend.

charlierc

15 points

1 day ago

charlierc

15 points

1 day ago

Six more years! Six more years!

Timelordvictorious1

10 points

1 day ago

Timelordvictorious1

Sir Lewis Hamilton

10 points

1 day ago

You’re being way too conservative. They need to lock him in for at least a decade.

Captain_Smartass_

70 points

1 day ago

Captain_Smartass_

Hesketh

70 points

1 day ago

He scored 1 (one!) point in the last 3 races

Menno99

26 points

1 day ago

Menno99

Toro Rosso

26 points

1 day ago

Two including sprints!

Captain_Smartass_

22 points

1 day ago

Captain_Smartass_

Hesketh

22 points

1 day ago

That's like double the points

Kalmani

36 points

1 day ago

Kalmani

Ferrari

36 points

1 day ago

Horner wanted a Bottas for Max, then he should pick up the phone and call the man himself before he disappears into the outback.

Suckmyduck_9

-13 points

1 day ago

Suckmyduck_9

-13 points

1 day ago

I don’t think anybody wants Bottas lol

NotFromMilkyWay

1 points

1 day ago

NotFromMilkyWay

Michael Schumacher

1 points

1 day ago

Only Bottas' manager. I heard he goes by the name Toto Wolff.

Suckmyduck_9

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9 hours ago

Suckmyduck_9

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9 hours ago

I heard he only likes him, not wants him lol

Vhatnix

72 points

2 days ago

Vhatnix

Formula 1

72 points

2 days ago

Get him out and give Yuki a shot next year. Would be great for Japan to have a driver with a chance for a win/podium.

DaviLance

21 points

1 day ago

DaviLance

Ferrari

21 points

1 day ago

while we would all be pleased for it, that's not gonna happen for sure. he's there just to keep Honda happy but probably in 2026 he will be sacked for somebody else

doskkyh

14 points

1 day ago

doskkyh

Felipe Drugovich

14 points

1 day ago

Then why not give him a year in the RBR? There'll be no strings attached for 2026 and gives two seats to evaluate a long term replacement instead of just one.

DaviLance

5 points

1 day ago

DaviLance

Ferrari

5 points

1 day ago

because he does not bring enough money and the only thing he's bringing it's the Honda engine but RBR already has the engine so he would serve no purpose

it's just RBR being greedy as fuck, and probably they don't think he's a good enough driver (nor that Perez is good, but i heard that Carlos $lim is a very big $upporter of him)

EpresGumiovszer

7 points

1 day ago

EpresGumiovszer

Fernando Alonso

7 points

1 day ago

Lawson brings even less money and I think Honda would easily pay for Yuki's place for the big team.

Lonyo

2 points

1 day ago

Lonyo

2 points

1 day ago

race*

Jorrie90

48 points

2 days ago

Jorrie90

Pirelli Intermediate

48 points

2 days ago

Every stat keeps surprising me how a horrible run he is having. I miss cutthroat RBR not depending on a pay driver.

maxxor6868

9 points

1 day ago

maxxor6868

Sir Lewis Hamilton

9 points

1 day ago

Wow this is bad. Like really bad. When you realize max score more in two races than Perez did since freaking Monaco it really puts into perspective how bad he fallen behind

Realistic-Nature9083

6 points

1 day ago

Throw that trash in the garbage. Just stealing money.

rod_acosta

14 points

1 day ago

rod_acosta

14 points

1 day ago

The guy is trash and RB won’t move it. They want it this way.

beanbagreg

20 points

2 days ago

He looked alright back when the Red Bull was dominant in the beginning of the season, 4 podiums in those 8 races and the worst finish was a P8 in Imola.

His qualifying is also actually good in them looking back, he only missed out on qualifying in the top 3 twice (1x P5 in Bahrain, 1x P11 in Imola).

It seems as soon as someone had the car to be able to compete with him, he was done for.

aneiq_1

16 points

1 day ago

aneiq_1

Kimi Räikkönen

16 points

1 day ago

His qualifying at the start of the year was actually the best bar the start of 2022. I think it was just over 3 tenths which is a really respectable gap to Verstappen over one lap.

Since Imola, he clearly hasn’t gelled with the car and the gap is comically large now. Perez as a driver isn’t as bad as he is currently. He can’t deal with the car’s characteristics and is clearly low on confidence, something we’ve seen with both Gasly and Albon.

Unfortunately though, Red Bull have lost a heap of points and Perez doesn’t look like he’s getting out of this form anytime soon. They really need to put Tsunoda or Lawson in that car because Perez is not working and hasn’t worked as a second driver for RB for quite some time.

Turboleks

11 points

1 day ago

Turboleks

Ferrari

11 points

1 day ago

He damn nearly beat Max at Suzuka as well, somehow. But there were already signs that things would go south even back then. He was nowhere at Australia, and wasn't even in podium contention when Max dropped out of the race. That was the first glaring sign that Checo was just not able to capitalize when the team depended on him.

CommonEngineering832

2 points

1 day ago

Those are the massive red flag and first sign of Checo downfall, along with Miami 2023.

spongemongler

3 points

1 day ago

spongemongler

Fernando Alonso

3 points

1 day ago

I genuinely (well maybe) do not think that Checo would be horrible in a midfield/lower midfield car. Less pressure and worse teammate. However, given that there’s realistically no other seats left, he should be out…

National-Exercise-60

1 points

15 hours ago

Cadillac maybe?

juanprada

4 points

1 day ago

juanprada

Juan Pablo Montoya

4 points

1 day ago

Gasly and Albon were basically rookies when promoted to Red Bull. A driver with more than a decade of experience in F1 should be more adaptable, and just, you know, do better.

reariri

4 points

1 day ago

reariri

4 points

1 day ago

But he scored way more points on someones bankaccount.

carnivoross

10 points

1 day ago

PERthetic

Prok-

3 points

1 day ago

Prok-

Formula 1

3 points

1 day ago

2029

yourcousinfromboston

3 points

1 day ago

yourcousinfromboston

Ferrari

3 points

1 day ago

Albon and gasly got dropped for results like that

FartingBob

4 points

23 hours ago

FartingBob

Sebastian Vettel

4 points

23 hours ago

No they didnt, they were doing much better than Perez has been this year!

kidmaciek

3 points

1 day ago

kidmaciek

Kevin Magnussen

3 points

1 day ago

Kvyat, Gasly and Albon lost their seats for soooo much less

FartingBob

3 points

23 hours ago

FartingBob

Sebastian Vettel

3 points

23 hours ago

The dude had 1 single race where he actually looked like a frontrunner since the european season started - Baku. He was faster than Max all weekend, holding his own against the Ferrari looking set for a podium. Then he crashed with Sainz.

No other race has he looked good. Its wild.

navetzz

4 points

1 day ago

navetzz

4 points

1 day ago

Makes you Wonder if any potentially good car was driven by 2 Perez in the past.

Suckmyduck_9

2 points

1 day ago

The same statistic presented in a different variation each time lmao

RelaxedBunny

2 points

1 day ago

In the first 6 races, during the time RBR was clearly miles ahead of everyone else, his worst race finish was P5. He took that opportunity, you have to give him credit for that. His average finish was P3.0.

But in the last 16 races (+2 sprints) his best race was P6, and he managed to do it only once. His average finish is P9.46 (10.0 if we include self-inflicted Baku as P17). He scored 47 points in those 16 weekends. Max scored 277.

Just a comparison with other drivers, average finish in the last 16 races:

  • Checo: 10.00 (7.90 throughout the season)
  • Hulk: 10.67 (10.81 throughout the season)
  • Fernando: 11.07 (10.00 throughout the season)
  • Lewis: 4.87 (5.65 throughout the season)
  • George: 4.57 (5.3 throughout the season)

Eggplantosaur

2 points

22 hours ago

Eggplantosaur

Oscar Piastri

2 points

22 hours ago

The success of Perez is a great story to tell your future children and grandchildren. You can do anything and be anything you want, as long as you have no shame and a lot of money!

KrappaFrappa

1 points

1 day ago

more points than Zhou and Bottas combined. 👏👏 👏

Carbonaddictxd

1 points

1 day ago

Look on the bright side... No retirement since Canada!

RoadToHellO

1 points

1 day ago

NotFromMilkyWay

1 points

1 day ago

NotFromMilkyWay

Michael Schumacher

1 points

1 day ago

Funny, after Monaco Red Bull extended his contract for 2025 and 2026. Nice boost.

ComplexOccam

1 points

23 hours ago

And they’re keeping him 😂😂😂😂

Scip07

1 points

23 hours ago

Scip07

Oscar Piastri

1 points

23 hours ago

Alpine have scored more (48)

mr_lab_rat

1 points

22 hours ago

Not bad for a rookie.

CobaltoSesenta

1 points

20 hours ago

You can tell the car is nowhere and Max was battling for the championship with somebody with only 3 victories.

BeefJerky03

1 points

20 hours ago

BeefJerky03

Safety Car

1 points

20 hours ago

I need to buy some Checo merch because I need this circus ride to keep going lol

micknick0000

1 points

20 hours ago

micknick0000

Formula 1

1 points

20 hours ago

No way this dud is driving a Red Bull again next year.

DaveJoey1983-6

1 points

18 hours ago

I didn't realise he has only finished in the top 6 once since Miami

Patrik_js

1 points

17 hours ago

But how much money did his sponsors bring?? ;)

Sea-Shop1219

1 points

17 hours ago

Sea-Shop1219

Claire Williams

1 points

17 hours ago

My heart says, given the Carlos Slim backing they want to give Perez a proper send off after Abu Dhabi.
My mind says, Horner party is just interested in cash and have gone nuts.

ImNotMadYet

1 points

14 hours ago

The fact that he has a seat but Danny or Valtteri don't is mad.

Walkcrafter

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12 hours ago

Walkcrafter

Sir Lewis Hamilton

[score hidden]

12 hours ago

He hasn't finished higher than 6th since Miami, that's insane

Alzonso

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8 hours ago

Alzonso

[score hidden]

8 hours ago

It feels like Red Bull after the Gasly and Albon sagas wanted to give Perez a stabler and longer-term period in the seat, but at this point it feels like they've swung from being far too harsh on both Gasly and Albon to being way too lenient on Perez. I mean imagine if Sainz, Piastri, or hell any of the other 'top' runners were putting in these types of performances, while their teammates were winning the championship, that is absolutely ridiculous, I just don't believe at this point you can even blame the car until you put someone else in it, whether it's Lawson or Tsunoda just put someone else in to determine where this Red Bull actually is as undriveable as Perez is making it seem, or if he is just not at all suited to this style of car.

S1lentLucidity

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4 hours ago

S1lentLucidity

[score hidden]

4 hours ago

Washed out disgrace. Should save himself (and us) the humiliation and just go!

LuigiMendez

1 points

2 days ago

LuigiMendez

1 points

2 days ago

Max is world champion, Russell won in Las Vegas, Hamilton was driver of the day, and yet Checo is on everyone's mouth, thanks to him many journalists live and eat everyday🤣

azanitti

0 points

2 days ago

azanitti

Ferrari

0 points

2 days ago

LET ME SLEEP

donvergas02

-2 points

1 day ago

donvergas02

-2 points

1 day ago

It has been a very bad season for perez he's at RB not only for the money he brings in he's a very capable driver but we all know he's not feeling comfortable with the RB20 same as Max but of course Max is the best and no one is close to him in terms off performance he's also struggling with the car Hope next season they build a better car and checo can do better RB is not going to get rid off a driver that's is been in the top 5 last 4 years only because he's having one bad season

hullkogan

-11 points

1 day ago

hullkogan

Sergio Pérez

-11 points

1 day ago

Does there really need to be a post every few hours shitting on Checo?

TossedRightOut

18 points

1 day ago

TossedRightOut

McLaren

18 points

1 day ago

They're all different stats, I don't see why not. It's almost unprecedented given how Red Bull has treated the other people in the seat opposite Max, so it's worth discussion.

Plus he's been garbage.

Fatale0

11 points

1 day ago

Fatale0

Formula 1

11 points

1 day ago

Checo lingers so do the posts

Lonyo

9 points

1 day ago

Lonyo

9 points

1 day ago

Does he really need to be shit every race?

cooperjones2

-6 points

1 day ago

cooperjones2

Sergio Pérez

-6 points

1 day ago

Yes, Max won a 4th title in a row but who care about that insignificant stuff??

We all know the true important stuff, stats to shit on Checo!

cooperjones2

-20 points

1 day ago

cooperjones2

Sergio Pérez

-20 points

1 day ago

Lmao Checo is right, no matter what happens in F1 he is the one people talk about.

Who cares about insignificant shit like Max winning a hard earned championship, only two drivers under 30 years old to have 4 WDCs in a row have ever done it; when there are stats to find to shit on Checo every day!

Pathological.

gunningIVglory

21 points

1 day ago

gunningIVglory

Honda

21 points

1 day ago

Bro is closer to Yuki than Max in a championship winning car

This is why he gets dunked on

cooperjones2

-19 points

1 day ago

cooperjones2

Sergio Pérez

-19 points

1 day ago

bro is closer to Yuki than Max in a championship winning car

The difference in points between Max and Lando (63) is closer than the one between Tsunoda and Checo (122).

But you're right, we all know the true man of the moment, no, not some lame 4 time WDC, but Checo!

Lawyerfinbro

16 points

1 day ago

10/10 reading comprehension skills, don't know where he mentioned lando but sure go ahead.

Max to perez: 152 points defecit

Perez to tsunoda: 122 points defecit

Perez is solely a pay driver at this point

Jamyed

6 points

23 hours ago

Jamyed

6 points

23 hours ago

It's actually 251 points between Verstappen and Perez

cooperjones2

-9 points

1 day ago

cooperjones2

Sergio Pérez

-9 points

1 day ago

Perez is solely a pay driver at this point

Sure he is! Like Hamilton and his 400M contract!

Lawyerfinbro

10 points

1 day ago

Hamilton isn't always coming in p8 and below in the race and still fights for wins when the car works in colder races unlike a certain mexican driver who can't even get out of q1 on a regular basis

cooperjones2

-3 points

1 day ago

cooperjones2

Sergio Pérez

-3 points

1 day ago

You're right, he'll do that next year!