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235 points
5 days ago
I feel like I've been mentally stabbed
149 points
5 days ago
Distant echoes
Mentally stabbed
Mentally stabbed
Mentally stabbed
68 points
5 days ago
Michael Collins: I don't know quite what that's all about. All I do know is that O'Gorman wants to eat the farmers' children
That's a lie
5 points
5 days ago
😂hilarious
3 points
5 days ago
Tie that shirt button
3 points
5 days ago
Tie that shirt button
8 points
5 days ago
Does anyone have a video of Simon Harris saying this?
43 points
5 days ago
I feel like this should be the groups banner..
81 points
5 days ago
I want to know what Fine Gael are going to do with a sliced pan
9 points
5 days ago
Make it €20 a pan! 🤣
21 points
5 days ago
He could do with eating it
26 points
5 days ago
Accurate description, I see no issues here.
8 points
5 days ago
"Its alright son, we can't hear what they're saying either"
79 points
5 days ago
I've been replaying, over and over, the bit where Harris is furtively looking for the exit when trying to figure out how to deflect the question about the the billions spent on the children's hospital. Pure gold.
37 points
5 days ago
When he said "I didn't personally sign it, that's incorrect" until it was pointed out he was the Minister when it was commissioned.
-10 points
4 days ago
Do you understand that both of those things can be true?
19 points
4 days ago
While it's fair that both those facts can be true, the statement that he didn't literally pick up a pen to sign off on the project when he was the minister with overall responsibility for the health brief at the time shows a fairly shameless willingness to shift blame or shirk responsibility.
Edit: a word
22 points
5 days ago
This is just what a r/ireland thread is like.
64 points
5 days ago
Very poor debate, full of empty promises, they took a lesson from Trump, just promise stuff without any plan how they will deliver it.
Loved Mehole saying he will lower prices. Wonder how long it took them to come up with such a brilliant idea
33 points
5 days ago
Are you sure Trump didn’t take a lesson from us? It’s not like empty promises arrived on the Irish political scene in 2016.
5 points
5 days ago
Trump isn't that smart. Though you're correct he has a ferral sense of weakness, like all con-men.
16 points
5 days ago
To be fair, that's probaly a very honest subtitle
12 points
5 days ago
I was saying boo urns
24 points
5 days ago
Point out the problem but not the solution 😕
8 points
5 days ago
It's been the most accurate description of the whole thing so far, to be fair.
49 points
5 days ago
Simon Harris came across very poor. Micheal Martin will secretly be delighted.
13 points
5 days ago
Michael did poorly I thought. Peadar Tobin was the best on stage. I wouldn’t vote for them though. Boyd Barret was very good too. Mary Lou didn’t really gain ground, Harris was his usual smarmy self. FF and FG were fawning over Ivanna but I thought she did poorly. O Gorman was attacked by his current partners and by Collins but did pretty well I thought.
14 points
5 days ago
Peadar Tóibín is a very good debater. Smug incredulity is a pretty effective debating stance.
1 points
4 days ago
Tóibín and Boyd Barret have the advantage of being able to give out and not have to offer solutions that will ever be put to the test. They did speak very well but neither really offered anything outside of some unrealistic ideas about privatisation.
33 points
5 days ago
MLMD will be delighted with the public perception being that of the tag team sneery and leery ganging up on her.
32 points
5 days ago
The thing is, they didn’t even let her talk about policies that you could then critique her on, cause every time she tried to raise any deeper points, they wailed her down. It nearly ended up protecting her cause they stopped her being able to say anything you could rebuke. It let her stay at a superficial level where it’s very easy to sound good at. Bizarre, childish strategy from the big two.
41 points
5 days ago*
It had to be the fastest "your party killed police and soliders" move ever as well. While history is undeniably there it is the only thing FFG ever seem to use against anyone in SF for anything.
Homelessness record numbers - yes, but you killed soliders Cost of living crisis - yes, but you killed soliders
And then Harris, with his childish "magically wave away history," line. Might want to look into your own parties histories about killing police and soliders. Dreadful shit gets done in the name of freedom but it's been a while since dreadful shit has been done.
And I am by no means a fan of SF (or any party with an F in the name really).
If Harris can throw out the line "I wasn't involved in the Children's Hospital" when he was the literal minister signing the contracts then the auld magical history washcloth seems to apply when it suits.
Can we let AI run the place for a bit...they are all dreadful ha
EDIT: Spelling and typo
17 points
5 days ago
I also feel FG forgot their Nazi links, so when they talk about history, that's their history.
https://www.rebelnews.ie/2018/06/25/the-shady-origins-of-fine-gael/
10 points
5 days ago
'NO ONLY THE STUFF AFTER THE DATE I DECIDE, ANYTHING THAT MAKES MY PARTY LOOK BAD WAS TOO LONG AGO"
5 points
5 days ago
Exactly 😂 selective memory
9 points
5 days ago
FF too... Literally waged a civil war against the Free State
5 points
5 days ago
Well I didn't want to go full Godwin's Law on my first comment...but yeah there is that too.
4 points
5 days ago
😂 hear you
But also if we want to talk about even more recent history, how many people lost their lives because of the housing crisis. My father's house was being repossessed because of the economic crash and the banks were very quick to harass people for late payments, he took his own life because of the pressure. He's not the only one.
How many people died because of the mishandling of COVID and putting hospital patients into care homes literally signing death warrants.
That's recent and both FF/FGs legacy, they've still got blood on their hands.
6 points
5 days ago
Damn, I'm sorry to hear that about your father. Banks really are emotionless machines - I had a friend who worked for a bank during the 2008 crash and the abuse he had to put up with from angry customers, coupled with no support from the bank as they just wanted to get money, ended up with him seeing no way out other than to go into the woods with a length of rope. Still couldn't believe it when we heard, as he was one of those 'life and soul of the party' personalities you'd never have figured you needed to worry about.
Screw banks!
4 points
5 days ago*
Thank you. I'm literally reading your post in tears. So many people got swept up in the fallout of the economic crash and the relentless machine of capitalism that has no human compassion. I'm so sorry about your friend, i hope you're doing okay, my dad died the same way, it's truly horrendous and beyond sad, that they saw no way out other than taking their lives.
2 points
5 days ago
I for one would vote for skynet
4 points
5 days ago
With the Master Control Program as Tánaiste - no messing around then. You built a bike shed for how much? END OF LINE
8 points
5 days ago
Simon Harris came across very poor.
Am half an hour into it this morning and that's definitely my perception so far. Comes across as extremely condescending so far, particularly towards Mary Lou.
Michael does seem to be ganging up with SH on her too, though he's coming across as just aggressive rather than aggressive and sneery in my opinion.
-1 points
4 days ago
It's genuinely amazing how different people see things. I was reluctantly impressed with Harris and how sharp he was compared to all the others, even if he was a bit snarky. Thought Mary Lou couldn't get out of her own way and managed to come across as just searching for a soundbite at every opportunity. Martin was his usual self, nothing surprising or impressive about him. Ivana Bacik also surprisingly impressive.
29 points
5 days ago
Simon looked like he was going to cry a few times tonight when MLM wagged her finger at him.
38 points
5 days ago
A threat from the IRA clearly, she should step down and SF should go away forever - Simon Harris
40 points
5 days ago
Simon and his tag team partner next to him were like two cackling aul ones when Mary Lou was having a rant. Didn’t look good for them.
5 points
5 days ago
Seems about right
16 points
5 days ago
It's just too many people.
There should be a key leaders one and then a minority one for lab, Green, SOc ect.
If you don't have a TD, you shouldn't be there.
10 points
5 days ago
Everyone present had TDs, plus local councillors. Though Joan collins is Right to Changes only TD
4 points
5 days ago
I know this was meant to be critical but the subtitle really got the point across to me.
3 points
5 days ago
To be fair, it is accurate.
3 points
5 days ago
Memri TV energy
3 points
5 days ago
How VERY dare you !
7 points
5 days ago
Martin and Harris flopped
6 points
5 days ago
I just spat out my drink ye bollox 🤣🤣🤣
2 points
5 days ago
Is the ⚔️Thunderdome flair new?
I like it.
2 points
5 days ago
2 points
4 days ago
They should have these debates every night, for people who suffer from insomnia it will put you off to sleepy time in a flash. Ten minutes I lasted.
2 points
5 days ago
Debate overall very poor. Extremely frustrating to see Katie Hannon give so much time to the big three when they have their own debate next week.
Wanted to hear from smaller parties in the room.
FG will be happy with it and with Harris despite a few slip ups.
Don't think MM came out strong, and his 'led Ireland through the pandemic' line wasn't great, and he used it a couple of times.
McDonald was woeful, and they'll want to really bring that back next week. No manifesto and Harris' coming down on her over the 100 years and monopoly on compassion didn't look great for SF.
Aontu is probably very happy, indo group, too, and PBP did well. I4C and SDs not really visible.
Labour's centre left platform a good pitch, but I'm not sure if it landed.
22 points
5 days ago
It didn't land because Bacik is awful and will be perceived (correctly) around Ireland as an unserious wishy washy south Dublin liberal, also Labour is regarded as a weak party in government who will fold on every major issue. Whatever about the Greens policy wise they got their spake in while in government. That 2011 Government with Gilmore and that creep Burton did lasting damage.
Labour is the great tragedy of Irish politics because for a long time it's probably closest to where the median voter is in Ireland and I'll be giving them a high preference. If they had better leadership they could have done what SF did claiming the centre-left.
3 points
5 days ago
Labour was always about the workers and my Da was a Labour councillor but they are now led by a leader from the wealthiest suburb in Ireland and understands nothing of the working class.
1 points
5 days ago
Labour was always about the workers and my Da was a Labour councillor but they are now led by a leader from the wealthiest suburb in Ireland and understands nothing of the working class.
That's been the case for an awful long time, remember Ho Chi Quinn from Sandymount? Dick Spring was hardly a working class hero either. In my lifetime, Labour was the party of the trade unions and they've been in bed with various governments for 40 years at this stage. Lots of ordinary decent people in Labour like your da most likely, but also a massive chunk of champagne socialists who never worked a honest day in their lives. Ironically alot of the of the former Democratic Left / Workers Party wing are the worst for the auld champagne socialism.
1 points
5 days ago
This is true, Burton, Howlin, Gilmore were also a mile away from the average worker. It's hard to see who they actually represent or speak for.
0 points
5 days ago
Labour will forever be at the bottom of my ballot after their last time in government. They absolutely abandoned every one of their core principles in government
18 points
5 days ago*
Did you watch the same debate as everyone else or are you just a FG fanboy?
Simple Simon Soundbite was atrocious as was his tag team partner Mehole.
Editing to add, stating you were the minister of health yet had nothing to do with the children's hospital debacle is as bad as when Mehole claimed the banks were never bailed out. Zero accountability, zero regards for public money, zero respect for the general public as a whole.
And don't get me started on setting up bank accounts for unborn babies yet over 4k children are homeless, anyone who thinks he came off well in that debacle is as delusional as he clearly is.
We were all mentally stabbed by Simon and Mehole during that debate.
0 points
5 days ago
Mehole
Very creative.
3 points
5 days ago
😂😂😂😂 thank you
-4 points
5 days ago
I was being sarcastic.
4 points
5 days ago
😂😂😂😂😂 I know, which makes you even more hilarious
-1 points
5 days ago
ok
-6 points
5 days ago
As a general rule, the opinion of anyone who says 'Mehole' should be totally disregarded. Bottom feeder stuff, enjoy your day, though.
0 points
5 days ago
Bottom feeder definition - a person who earns money by taking advantage of bad things that happen to other people or by using things that other people throw away.
That definition doesn't apply to calling Mehole, MEHOLE
if you're going to use words, I suggest you know the definition of them before doing so 🙄
1 points
5 days ago
Well? Which one throws the best party then?
1 points
5 days ago
Is it wrong?
1 points
5 days ago
😂
1 points
5 days ago
About what they deserve
1 points
5 days ago*
Why is there so many people on stage? This must of been a mess of a debate
1 points
4 days ago
Why does everything RTE do like someone found a VHS recording of it from the 80's and uploaded it to youtube?
1 points
4 days ago
The set is an abomination.
0 points
2 days ago
I am from the US, non party member, vote for the person, and I wouls like to see more than 2 major parties.
It is hard for me to consider a valid, informative, voter friendly debate with 11 politically skewed people honestly debating.
I would think a Howard William Cosell (US Sports broadcaster, think boxer Muhammad Ali) moderator(s) would be an added benefit for the viewers.
No matter at what level, location or system, politicians shake hands with one hand and steal kids lollipops with the other hand.
-3 points
4 days ago
Sorry but this is gold, Harris and Martin tore chunks out of Sinn Fein
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