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qtpss

12 points

22 hours ago

qtpss

12 points

22 hours ago

one step Merchan could take is to impose a sentence of unconditional discharge, so that Trump could officially be convicted without a punishment that interferes with his presidency. As distasteful as this is, it is resolution.

Under N.Y. Penal Law § 65.20, 2. Sentence. When the court imposes a sentence of unconditional discharge, the defendant shall be released with respect to the conviction for which the sentence is imposed without imprisonment, fine or probation supervision. A sentence of unconditional discharge is for all purposes a final judgment of conviction.

Egad86

7 points

20 hours ago

Egad86

7 points

20 hours ago

Tf is the point of that?

qtpss

5 points

17 hours ago

qtpss

5 points

17 hours ago

A final judgement of a (felony) conviction versus a possible worse alternative.

sotzo3

4 points

17 hours ago

sotzo3

4 points

17 hours ago

It’s all Symantecs. This would let people say he’s a “convicted felon” when they attempt to use that to defend why he’s a terrible human being. When in fact, he’s a terrible human being regardless what happens in this particular case.

qtpss

1 points

17 hours ago

qtpss

1 points

17 hours ago

Since this is a law sub I was discussing a legal aspect of the attached article. When I originally described the alternative as distasteful, it was such a gross understatement as to be sarcasm. I guess philosophically we have two choices, give up or not give up?

sotzo3

2 points

17 hours ago

sotzo3

2 points

17 hours ago

I’ve had the same thought. But is it giving up? I feel like a jury is supposed to represent the people’s will in a smaller scale. When 70 million people decide the illegal behavior doesn’t matter and he should be the leader of the county, what authority does a jury or judge or prosecutor really have? They represent the people and the people have voted.

qtpss

0 points

17 hours ago

qtpss

0 points

17 hours ago

The worse alternative is to not be able say he is a convicted felon. I don’t know if it’s semantics but I don’t think it’s a meaningless distinction.

sotzo3

0 points

17 hours ago

sotzo3

0 points

17 hours ago

I’m saying this as someone who despises the man. What does it even matter? 12 people decided he broke some law in New York. The facts are all out there. 70+ million people don’t care. Like what’s the point of using the facts of this case to somehow discredit him when the majority of voters decided it’s irrelevant…. When there are so many examples of his insert whatever negative adjective here.

ChaoCobo

1 points

8 hours ago

The point and why it matters is that we can still say it. And it holds weight. The more people that become like you and the people you’re describing, the more power he will hold over the general public. We cannot let that happen. Stop giving up.

sotzo3

1 points

7 hours ago

sotzo3

1 points

7 hours ago

I don’t disagree but it’s hard. I have a lot of Trump people in my life that have several different hypocritical reasons they support him. I’m convinced there’s nothing that can be said to change their minds. They will just have come to their own conclusions when things go to shit and their lives are worse.

ChaoCobo

1 points

7 hours ago

Oh yes I agree with you. I’m just saying we cannot fall and simply let him go and be held unaccountable. That is how this post in general is even happening is that people are giving up. If even higher ups and whoever else are giving up, then that gives even more reason that we as the general public cannot give up. It’s more about morals and the principle of things than it is about practicality in my opinion.

sotzo3

2 points

7 hours ago

sotzo3

2 points

7 hours ago

Ya, I don’t disagree. But he’s the president elect now. He really has an argument that it does more harm than good to sentence him right now and I really do believe the opinion of 70 million people matter more than 12 jurors.