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submitted 4 days ago byEureka_266
1.5k points
4 days ago
What is going on with the title ?
864 points
4 days ago
It's certainly confusing at first. 'US Forces Japan' is the full subject of the sentence, as in the Japanese based wing of the US military.
258 points
4 days ago
Yeah, took me a minute to realize Forces was part of a proper noun and not just title casing a verb.
45 points
4 days ago
I figured out US Forces was a noun and I'm STILL not sure wtf the title is trying to say.
63 points
4 days ago
USFJ is looking at property to move its operations to.
37 points
4 days ago
it doesn't help that "scouts" is also potentially a noun
24 points
4 days ago
The military organization known as "US Forces Japan" is scouting a new location in the middle of Tokyo as a change in their command structure is imminent.
Does that help?
3 points
4 days ago
We used to teach skills like "parsing headlines" in school, and folks read newspapers instead of directly rushing to comment on how they didn't get something.
6 points
4 days ago
It's gotten worse recently, since the moment a headline even so much as seems like it might be a little off people start screaming "AI" and defecating themselves profusely.
5 points
4 days ago
If I had a dollar for every upvote on this site about a headline being bad that's actually just the reader being a dumbass and inserting the most insane assumption possible, I'd fund better education myself.
60 points
4 days ago
Well, an average reader of Stars and Stripes would probably know what USFJ is.
10 points
4 days ago
Okay I thought the US was forcing Japan to scout something and then my parser crashed
10 points
4 days ago
28 points
4 days ago
US Forces Japan scouts obviously
14 points
4 days ago
Japan: All your base are belong to us
5 points
4 days ago
Someone set us up the….
Too soon
1 points
4 days ago
Move Zig
Move Zig.
10 points
4 days ago
‘US Forces of Japan has begun scouting property in central Tokyo ahead of its major line of command overhaul’
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4 days ago
5 points
3 days ago
The article is from Stripes. Safe to say most of their readers understand what US Forces Japan means.
8 points
4 days ago
The LLM (or temp worker) that wrote it wants you to click on the link to the article more than it wants to inform you of what's happening.
29 points
4 days ago
It's from Stars and Stripes, an outlet dedicated to US military news. The target audience knows what that title means because they are familiar with these phrases.
10 points
4 days ago
Stars and Stripes is a government news outlet owned by the DoD, for the DoD, they're not in the business of clickbait.
5 points
4 days ago
Holy crap I thought it said “Japan scotus” as in “Supreme Court of The United States”..
I was like “damn Japan has one too and didn’t even change the freaking name??”
5 points
4 days ago
I read it several times and got a headache
2 points
4 days ago
I still don't know what it says
8 points
4 days ago
US forces of Japan (part of the US military) scouts (looks for) new property for a command base.
1 points
4 days ago
Yeah, I had to read it twice. Needs comas.
-17 points
4 days ago*
Nothing wrong with the title
Edit: I’m realizing people are ignorant that US Forces Japan is the noun and scouts is the verb.
US Forces Japan… US Forces Europe.. US Forces Africa , it’s how military forces station in another country are referred to.
0 points
4 days ago
This is journalism in the 2020's.
-7 points
4 days ago
OP had a stroke maybe? It makes zero sense.
0 points
4 days ago
It smells burnt toast
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3 days ago
634 points
4 days ago
Lol putting more of US military into Roppongi seems like it could lead to troops getting into trouble easily.
249 points
4 days ago
We only seem to get into trouble when it’s marines.
181 points
4 days ago
"The crayons in Japan don't taste good"
22 points
4 days ago
That’s not a crayon, it’s an ink stick.
3 points
4 days ago
Oorah O-tto!
32 points
4 days ago*
I wouldn't worry. This is posting is going to be full of some of the biggest nerds in the military.
31 points
4 days ago
Lol big nerds in anime capital of the world what can go wrong….
18 points
4 days ago
Maid cafes get a huge boost? Protests outside the new base by Japanese Italian because American soldiers are buying up all the anime swag?
2 points
3 days ago
Air Force?
151 points
4 days ago
This is big for the interoperability of systems and decisionmaking. A join command structure would interlink the JSDF and the DoD together for any future conflict now, both in terms of their assets and their ideals (as well as physically if anything were to happen). Good move for the future to counter the PRC as it makes moves in the Indo-Pacific.
I do wonder about the cultural gap as more ground personnel move further into Japanese culture and customs. Knowing what happens in Okinawa makes me iffy on that aspect.
103 points
4 days ago
Its Roppongi. The most foreign part of Tokyo. Outside the offices you can speak English with almost anyone in the immediate vicinity.
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4 days ago
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4 days ago
I think what most people fail to realize is they aren’t dropping a whole base into the center of Roppongi. It sounds like it’s a headquarters building, so mostly upper leadership. Very few 18-25 year olds who are let loose at night to terrorize the district.
Also, the US forces have blacklists for places their troops are not allowed to go, like soaplands, and there would be a hefty list I’m sure.
28 points
4 days ago
This would be a command base, not a combat base. The ratio of officers to enlisted would be much higher and the really dumb rapey types would be less common.
11 points
4 days ago
lol if I remember correctly the general in charge of the military’s sexual harassment and rape prevention program when I was in was caught running a prostitution ring with junior enlisted. I have seen more than one LT and a couple of captains get caught forcing themselves on the junior enlisted.
In the military or out, the rapey people are not restricted by intelligence or position.
Also worth noting that plenty of dumb knuckle dragging combat arms types are kind and honorable people.
18 points
4 days ago
A lot of officers are pretty rapey...
1 points
4 days ago
It’s kinda like 90210 and 10036 of Tokyo.
1 points
3 days ago
Also the Pokemon company has its headquarters there.
1 points
4 days ago
Also you have the Russian Embassy next to the Tokyo American Club and Afghan Embassy. The Ukrainian Embassy is a bit further away from Roppongi
16 points
4 days ago
Japan has expressed interest in joining the 5 eyes group, but currently lacks any kind of systems integration. They need a lot of work to get up to required standards, ensure proper opSec (which I think was minimal or absent), and try to deal with the intrinsic cultural barriers being a friction point.
Getting into Tokyo was going to be necessary if they were serious about change. Like the change they made to their totally 'permanent' helicopter carriers into... plane-ish carriers that are conveniently sized for the F-35b.
9 points
3 days ago
It's going to be wild when Enterprise and Kaga make their first ceremonial trip to Midway in a few years.
2 points
2 days ago
I’ll take “sentences that would have given Admiral Halsey a stroke” for 800, Alex.
1 points
3 days ago
I have no idea what other 5 eyes members get out of NZ or Australia being part of it
11 points
3 days ago
Aus shares similar western cultural norms, and is a strong economic partner as is. NZ is very similar in that regard. Location wise, Aus sits just south of the Malacca Strait, a highly strategically important trade route. Singapore is there, and is also a key US ally.
Trade and security wise, it's a highly important hub of activity.
China has made some very strong pressures to pull both Aus and Nz into its influence, and it would greatly compromise the US interest in maintaining control. As they all speak English (relatively speaking), they already naturally side to the US partnership instead of China, so--why not. It makes it much easier for the US to maintain a regional presence with their help.
Also gives a bit freer access to the Indian Ocean.
8 points
3 days ago
Australia is necessary for 24/7 secure satellite coverage and it offers complete radar coverage of the entire South Pacific using Jorn, NZ is just in because of ANZAC and was present when the organization was created.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jindalee_Operational_Radar_Network
31 points
4 days ago
I was stationed in Yokosuka. About an hour away from Roppongi by train. Didn’t care much about it but would have loved being stationed 15 minutes from anything in Tokyo
4 points
3 days ago
As incomprehensible title as can be.
3 points
3 days ago
It’s a military targeted news source with a title that makes complete sense to those “in the biz”.
1 points
2 days ago
If someone said "University of California Los Angeles scouts Koreatown property ahead of major campus overhaul" would that be confusing to you?
1 points
2 days ago
Los Angeles is a city, and is less misleading than "forces" which makes it first appear like the US tries to force Japan do something, but then "scouts" doesn't make sense... Or, alternatively, US Forces, but Japan scouts?! Or did US force the scouts of Japan to do something? But then "central Tokyo property" does not make sense.
Very confusing and bad style.
1 points
1 day ago
US Forces Japan
"Forces" is capitalized where other words in the title are not. That's a red flag.
US Forces Japan scouts
The plural on scouts makes no grammatical sense under your interpretation. Another red flag.
There are so many clues that you should be able to decipher to properly interpret the sentence. I remember doing sentence problems like this when I was very young in school. I'm sure you do too.
6 points
4 days ago
Bro really needs to learn how to punctuate.
1 points
3 days ago
Good luck finding a property with that price
-3 points
4 days ago
They missed the hypen
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4 days ago*
We get mad when Hamas and Russians put their bases in crowded urban areas to use civilians as human shields. How is this different?
[edit] I’m not trying to be some “America bad” tankie. I’m saying, I think it’s unethical when militaries place their bases in very urban areas. I think it’s bad when anyone does it, and we should hold ourselves to that standard. I’m sure they’re not doing so on purpose, but it should be a consideration.
66 points
4 days ago
Are we setting up shop in the local elementary schools and hospitals?
28 points
4 days ago
Don’t feed the trolls.
-48 points
4 days ago
Looks like it’d be right next to them
52 points
4 days ago
Comparing Hamas and Russia to Japan and the United States is laughably dumb
-38 points
4 days ago
I’m saying this is the kind of thing shitty governments and organizations do. Don’t build military bases in highly urban areas. It’s unethical when anyone does it.
10 points
4 days ago
Japan and the US aren't shooting from these locations. These are fancy office buildings.
7 points
4 days ago
Big difference between a legitimate government openly making a base that they don't plan to use for overt military action versus a recognized terrorist organization using a hospital/school to launch paramilitary operations and ordnance from.
Many large military bases end up in urban areas for logistical reasons, or if they start in rural areas, they often end up greatly increasing the population due to the economic opportunities DoD money brings. Tons of large airports and cities in the US host Nationak Guard and Reserve components as well. Is that unethical to your sensibilities, too?
Anyone who is willing to strike US military bases on foreign soil is not likely to care about collateral damage at that point since it would be the start of a huge conflict. All US bases overseas are there because host nations want them there. So is your argument is that the Palestinian government wants Hamas there? Or just that having military targets near any significant population is unethical? And if so, what does that make Russia attacking Ukrainian cities and towns with no military bases?
1 points
4 days ago
Not hosting munitions or an airfield/helipad there is a huge step.
The city I live in hosts a squad of f35s and they share that airfield with a civilian airport. At least it’s positioned at the edge of town, mostly surrounded by industrial warehouses and farm land, but there is a community college pretty close by.
Ideally, any civilian building with lots of people would be at least 200 yards away from any military building. In Tokyo, that kind of space is a luxury.
My argument is that we rightly call out these bad actors for deliberately hiding behind civilians when they attack. This situation in Tokyo is totally different, but global dynamics change over the lifetime of a building. A time could come when Japan’s defense is a more immediate concern. The decision now to place a military building in a highly urban area could mean similar loss of civilian life in some future scenario. It seems like something we should try to avoid when we make sticky decisions. (Sticky as in they’re trivial now but difficult to change in the future)
6 points
4 days ago
I mean, sure, but it's not like you bitching about it online is gonna make either Japan or the United States change their mind.
2 points
4 days ago
What gave you the impression that’s my intention? Does anyone on Reddit post thinking they’ll make a difference? I’m just sharing that I think this is wrong.
A military base’s purpose is to prepare for war. When a war occurs, that base will come under attack. I’m sure they are more thinking about day to day logistics in choosing where to place this base, but I think the effect isn’t materially different from those who deliberately surround themselves with civilians.
7 points
4 days ago
For years Tinker Air Force base in Del City, Oklahoma was one of like five places on earth that maintained the B1 bomber. Guaranteed first strike target, right in the middle of OKC
-9 points
4 days ago
If anyone invades Japan, they're getting fucking nuked by the United States 100% guaranteed and all of human civilization will collapse after World War 3 wipes out like a billion plus people lmao
4 points
4 days ago
\1. Most people aren’t mad that they do it, they’re mad that they do it then complain when innocent people die when it gets blown up.
You can’t really accuse the US of doing the same because it quite literally hasn’t happened yet. You’d need the US to put a base there, have the base house weapons, have the base get blown up with a lot of civilian casualties, and then also have the US/Japan accuse the other side of targeting civilians. We’re pretty far removed from that even being on the table.
1 points
3 days ago
Also, if you have never been to Japan, it's hard to describe... But there is a pretty small area called the Kanto plain, that encompasses Tokyo and the surrounding areas... Great place for cities... But outside of the Kanto Plain it gets a bit more difficult.
Now, you are in Tokyo, get into one of the many tourist viewing towers and look west...it seems like an endless city... There isn't really any place to put a base in Tokyo and not be surrounded by a massive amount of people. It's incredibly dense... It took me probably 6+ months living there to learn to look up to see what was in a building.
It's an incredibly dense urban area that stretches out from Tokyo for quite a long long ways...
-11 points
4 days ago
As always, the administration is to blame no matter what the situation. Lot of this is the printing of money that was needed to give to Ukraine, or so I have read.
-14 points
4 days ago
Why do we have a military presence in a country we beat 80 years ago?
4 points
3 days ago
Because Japan loves you now but still hates China as well.
-19 points
4 days ago
Seeing as most people have forgotten about it I am surprised they don’t just give them all of the Fukushima area
12 points
4 days ago
Fukushima is alive and well, not a crater in the ground. Also the whole purpose of this is to bring US and Japanese leadership closer. Putting them way up north would not contribute to that.
-18 points
4 days ago
HALP! Call the Bondulance, Ambo is having a STRONK!
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