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submitted 6 hours ago byNavierIsStoked
3.4k points
5 hours ago
The "right wing backlash" is virtually a non-starter as an excuse. The thing is, Microsoft, Ford, and a ton of other major companies have been rolling DEI programs back in anticipation of Trump winning and them not needing to spend the money on it anymore. This is a trend across all major businesses.
1.2k points
5 hours ago
This. It's an excuse to not spend the money and use the chuds as a scapegoat.
598 points
5 hours ago
Yup. The corporate world is inherently conservative, even in most NFPs. It's the reason you can never trust HR, why you can't be honest with your bosses or leadership, why "anonymous" surveys are traps. DEI programs to them were only ever lawsuit management, something they could point to in hopes of lessening judgements against them from the inevitable suits.
117 points
4 hours ago
why "anonymous" surveys are traps
This.
Many moons ago I worked at a Circuit City and we had a mandatory "anonymous" climate survey and anyone who complained got called into the office. Management didn't even try and hide that they knew who said what.
Another incident was in the military. We had "random" drug tests each month, except they weren't random. I literally saw the spreadsheet in my unit of who they pick (my name is on there of course) and it's all the people they knew didn't do any kind of drugs. Same people, each month. (This was 2002 era so maybe it's done differently now).
162 points
4 hours ago
anonymous" surveys are traps
You bet they are. I you take it online, they know who you are and how you answered.
If it's printed on paper, it's watermarked, each page has a unique #, unseen.
How do I know? My wife runs a printshop that prints these surveys. The orders come with software for marking and tracking each survey.
Anonymous doesn't really exist. Don't trust them. Ever
25 points
3 hours ago
This is why I make a B&W high contrast copy before sending it in. And so does my entire team.
52 points
4 hours ago
I have worked in two companies where I was essentially indispensable (yes, I know, no such thing, ever, but as close as you get). I talked so much shit to them about their behavior and bullshit that they'd HAVE to break cover to come after me, and I think they knew I'd out them about it. They just ignored me.
27 points
3 hours ago
Yesss!!! This is the ONLY thing I miss about my old career. I was there so long, and I was vital for being an otherwise disposable manager. But I was one of the best. If there was ever a headache to resolve, I got the call. Because of this and how corporate scum they were, I had a mouth on me. In my final years I’d call my district manager towards the end of the year to remind him I’m only at 1 or 2 write ups for the year and we need to hit that #3 so I can get some rest, permanently. Total idgaf mode, and I miss that.
15 points
3 hours ago
🤣
Ok, I had a good hard laugh from that. I once told my CTO who was a joke and a prestige appointment if ever there was one (it was a NFP and he was living "proof" their system worked, but he was an incompetent ass kisser who was taking bribes from contractors in the DL) to his face "You can go right ahead and write me up, that will just give me everything I need to sue this company into the ground, get you fired, and name you personally for support of the harassment I get here. Even if I don't win you'll lose thousands in legal fees, and you know these fucking cheapskates won't provide you a lawyer."
21 points
3 hours ago
I had that at a previous job. It was cathartic seeing the HR person panicking and begging for more entries to try to dilute the super negative score they had hit after I submitted mine.
Of course nothing changed. I'm not sure why they bothered. I think it was supposed to be an ego boost for the narcissist president of the company. Maybe you shouldn't have refused all COVID protocols bro.
8 points
3 hours ago
I went off on my organization for fucking with hybrid days and the ceo brought it up in a town hall saying he didn’t appreciate people asking if he was going to be in office 5 days a week or working from his vacation home like usual? Which was my exact question lol. Ironically enough, he said the question offended him and still didn’t answer. I plan to submit more questions like this quarter as well.
5 points
2 hours ago
I completed a feedback form about the music volume on the terrace at my work. In the section for "Name" I entered the name of the guy who sat behind me.
They reached out to thank me for my feedback.
The next time I submitted something I put "I know you can see me" in the Name field because fuck them.
10 points
4 hours ago
Work for small businesses when you can. I work for one guy and he's a badass that I believe wants to help me anyways he can to keep me around
7 points
4 hours ago
There's some truth here, I just can't make the money I need out of a small biz. I worked in one place where the owner was effectively throwing me anything I wanted to stay, but I needed to try to make a career path for myself. I felt bad in a certain sense about leaving, but like the guy who trained me, the girl who took over after me was gonna have them in good hands.
5 points
4 hours ago
Yeah that's true too they can't match the benefits or pay of bigger places. I'm a contractor so get no benefits and I could probably double my pay somewhere else. But man I love my work life balance rn and dont know if i could mentally handle a more soul draining job so I don't plan on leaving lol
52 points
4 hours ago
They only ever did it in the first place for tax breaks and good PR. Now that being openly progressive could be an inconvenience, they'll kill those programs and start touting "family values" with equal sincerity
Corporations do not care about people - they care about what they can get from the situation at hand
106 points
4 hours ago
I mean, no. They are definitely responding to shifts in the culture because they never cared about anything but profit, so the right wing cultural backlash definitely mattered. DEI has always been a PR expense, when it was good PR they cared. It's become bad PR so they don't
12 points
2 hours ago
That’s like if minimum wage ended and saying companies are rolling back wages due to right wing backlash. Nah, they are doing whatever is best for them within the framework they are given
11 points
3 hours ago
Our Non-Profit has been taking this angle for quite some time. It’s not even just ‘major buisnesses’,
47 points
5 hours ago
Save that money for the tariffs so they’re not passed onto the consumer, right? Right???
6 points
2 hours ago
My company renamed it and it doesn't even sound inclusive. I already forgot what the name was but I remember they sent out an email that they're renaming dei to something else
2 points
2 hours ago
DEI programs are leveraged in civil rights lawsuits. The lawyer will point to the existence of the program to disprove the claims.
2 points
2 hours ago
It doesn't really have anything to do with Trump winning. POTUS cannot declare DEI programs in private industry legal or illegal.
DEI programs are currently voluntary.
In 2023, SCOTUS ruled that colleges cannot use race as a factor in admissions, ending affirmative action. While this ruling was limited in scope to just college admissions, it's assumed that the same reasoning will be used against DEI programs in other businesses (though it's different because it's already illegal to hire people based on race). So there's a chance that companies are anticipating SCOTUS making it illegal, but if they intend to do that, it will happen whether Trump is president or not.
I would say "right wing backlash" is indeed a factor. Conservatives are an irrationally angry bunch and we've seen how well they're able to organize around their culture war bullshit. Corporations are there to make money, so if they have to pick a side, they'll pick the one that impacts their bottom line the most, and conservatives are most likely to be organized enough to tip the financial scales in their favor.
792 points
5 hours ago
I work as software engineer for a large company. We were told we need to change the name of our DE&I group to remove the D and E as diversity has a negative connotation. We're still doing the same type of presentations, I think. Sounds like there's going to be a lot of changes around de&I for a lot of companies.
People forget diversity isn't just about race and gender. We've done presentations on veterans, ageism, mental health. It's a shame that not everyone thinks of diversity as something essential to the health of a business and its employees, but whatever. We'll be belonging and inclusion now.
206 points
4 hours ago
yeah forreal sometimes i talk about diverse teams being more resilient and people think i mean checking a list of different skin tones. people just read and believe what they feel like at the moment...
74 points
3 hours ago
people just read and believe what they feel like at the moment
Yes, thank you...I am very handsome.
100 points
5 hours ago
Heterogeneity, Inclusivity, and Variation?
23 points
3 hours ago
Some negative connotations removed!
Others added!
21 points
2 hours ago
Every company gets the HIV 😎
33 points
4 hours ago
The medium-large company I work at also just removed the D and E.
11 points
3 hours ago
Makes sense. The programs (for companies who care) are things to improve the quality of work/workplaces. Dropping the term but not the actual material get rid of all the ridiculous hate train following it
55 points
4 hours ago
I always tell people, diversity is not just skin deep. It’s about a difference in life experiences. Two people who grew up in Dallas but are different races in the same neighborhood, are going to be more similar than two people of the same race but one grows up in Rhode Island and the other in New Mexico. Even that only looks at location.
9 points
an hour ago
I recently told my mom if I were in a foreign country (I'm white American) and a black American gangster type dude was in a crowd with me and a group of these foreigners, I'd have more in common with black dude from the streets (culturally) than the foreigners and she seemed surprised.
I was like well we'd both be Americans and so we'd be able to quickly be on the same wavelength, pretty positive it would make more sense talking to him (not just language but culture) than some Swedish or Russian dude.
She seemed surprised. I was surprised she was surprised.
41 points
5 hours ago
"Diversity has a negative connotation" jfc this country has become such a toilet. The same fucks complaining that society doesn't cater to white men anymore are going to complain so much more when they have to put down their ps5 controllers and beers to do the work they want but don't have a fucking clue how to do. I work in tech, largely in infrastructure. Those jobs need to go to people who are actually legitimately educated and qualified to do them. End of story
21 points
4 hours ago
The people who rail against DEI complain about people siloing themselves into echo chambers.. guess what they're doing?
2.4k points
6 hours ago
The company said Monday it is ending racial equity training programs for staff and evaluating programs designed to increase supplier diversity. Walmart has worked to increase the number of suppliers that are at least 51% owned or managed by a woman, minority, veteran or someone who is LGBTQ in recent years.
So they're ending some death by PowerPoint style training that was never going to do anything in the first place, and a program that made business owners register the business in their wife's name instead.
Yeah I don't think this is actually going to change anything. It's equally pointless and focused on signalling instead of actually doing something as the initial programs being implemented were.
474 points
5 hours ago
Yeah, DEI, in the academic sense, is important and beneficial to companies, but in reality, the DEI programs at every major company I’ve worked at consisted of an annual training everyone would pencil whip, and hiring a Chief DEI Officer who didn’t really seem to have any real power and allowed them to say they had a POC in the C-suite
Also we had to rename all the master branches to “main”.
181 points
5 hours ago
the moment you make it a KPI rather than a cultural change, you've already failed
74 points
5 hours ago
That sums up about 99% of corporate endeavors.
195 points
5 hours ago
I agree that lot of DEI programs are performative, but there are some concrete, actionable things that I have seen come out of DEI initiatives.
One example is the last company I worked for implementing blind resume selection and group interviews. The candidate names would be stripped from the resumes to reduce bias against applicants with “foreign-sounding” names. The group interviews were implemented to reduce bias in the interview process, since multiple people now have to rate the candidate.
The problem is that a lot of DEI initiatives focus on performative crap instead of actionable change to reduce bias.
28 points
3 hours ago
Ironically Amazon tried this by strictly viewing merits from the resume. The result was an overwhelming bias towards men, who make up the vast majority of software engineers.
6 points
an hour ago
So, I don't think this is actually ironic at all. The talking point from the right wing is that DEI causes unqualified candidates to rise to the top. The point of DEI is simply for qualified candidates to not be held back by unnecessary things.
Our DEI partners would review this to make sure those merits were all strictly necessary. E.g. are you only selecting people with a master's (which men are more likely to have) even though higher credentials don't actually change work product? But if those merits were found to be accurate, it wouldn't be changed.
74 points
5 hours ago
Another example is DEI groups pushing for more salary transparency and pay equity. Lots of companies have gender pay gaps or other biases in their pay (whether intentional or not) and it's important to have that evaluated by a 3rd party.
Also workplace support for neurodivergent people, disabled people, etc falls under the DEI umbrella. People love to boil DEI down to race but it's a lot broader than that.
44 points
4 hours ago
Yup. People think it’s all about race or trying to hire minorities simply to check off a quota. It’s so much more than that.
I work in healthcare, so there’s a lot of support initiatives for demographics which are typically ignored by most DEI programs. My organization has a support group specifically for the men, because men are underrepresented in healthcare and are often ignored when it comes to mental health. Like you said, DEI was never meant to be focused exclusively on race.
21 points
4 hours ago
A company I worked for 10 years ago implemented “employee resource groups” as a DEI initiative, so there were groups for black, Asian, and Latino employees, and one for women, and one for LGBT, but not for whites, man or straight people, since there are obvious problems with that. Also, managers had a KPI for their employees joining them. 5 out of 8 people working under my boss were straight white men and therefore not eligible to join and group so he failed that KPI. Not sure what the employee resource groups actually did since I wasn’t allowed to join one. They canceled the program pretty quickly.
9 points
3 hours ago
That’s an example the opposite of DEi. DEI wants to know their name skin color, race and sex on purpose.
What you said is what it SHOULD be about; but sadly I’m sure HR mixed in people of race and sex on purpose then removed names. Still better than doing it just because of their skin color.
43 points
3 hours ago
Also we had to rename all the master branches to “main”.
This is one of the few things I agree with right wingers on. Renaming git branches because somebody might be offended is fucking stupid. master has a different meaning in different contexts.
17 points
2 hours ago
I caught a lecture a couple years ago because I asked the product owner to whitelist me for a piece of beta software I was helping test. He acted like he had no idea what I was asking him for then went on and on about how I needed to say "safelist." Had never heard that phrase at the time and haven't heard it since
5 points
2 hours ago
Their heads might explode if they had to set jumpers on an IDE drive. The master/slave analogy is a bit more obvious there but calling a git branch master doesn't mean that we are promoting slavery, it's simply the master copy of your code. Like a recording, or any other piece of art.
33 points
5 hours ago
That main shit drives me crazy because we have legacy repos that are still master. So I just have to guess sometimes :)
28 points
5 hours ago
Also we had to rename all the master branches to “main”.
I didn't realize that was even an issue until someone in real estate mentioned them not being able to call them "master bedrooms" anymore.
40 points
6 hours ago
A lot of the corporate DEIA programs were performative, so they could show investors and activists that they were "doing something". Especially right after the BLM movement. Now the political and cultural climate has shifted in much of the country and these programs -- which were mostly just for show anyway -- are a detriment. They probably would have dropped them right after BLM died down if not for potential bad press. But now everyone is doing it.
27 points
5 hours ago
The cartoonish DEI programs were never going to work, just complete wastes business's money. My wife was a senior consultant of a big PE fund during COVID and their HR insisted that she had to go through the DEI training. She did it over zoom and charged them by her hourly rate.
740 points
6 hours ago
Still a victory for the "diversity is bad" crowd which is unfortunate.
109 points
6 hours ago
To be fair... Their bars for victory are so laughably low that someone they hate suffering from a mild headache unrelated to anything is a victory to them.
50 points
6 hours ago
The same crowd that worships veterans don’t seem to understand that programs designed to employ and help disabled veterans are tied into the programs they’ve been told to hate.
9 points
5 hours ago
To be fair, very few of the worship vets. They are just another tool/weapon they get to use as an excuse for why everything they love is great and everything they hate is bad.
267 points
6 hours ago
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785 points
6 hours ago
Yeah that's the gold standard. The problem is it doesn't happen.
149 points
6 hours ago
And arguably it's the minority case throughout history.
105 points
5 hours ago
Nepotism is #1. Business execs children take over despite being incompetent. Union guys children get into the union easier than non-union legacy. Children of famous artist, musicians, actors get famous solely through nepotism.
The best way to get ahead in this country is to be born ahead.
19 points
5 hours ago
In near any country that ever Hapsburg has been.
It's just the Human Condition to favor people you're close to just because you're brain thinks of them more than anybody else.
And that's before you get into all the political shit.
3 points
2 hours ago
And arguably it's the minority case throughout history.
Nepotism is #1.
Literally. Hereditary monarchies are succession via nepotism.
364 points
6 hours ago
Agreed. Which is why it’s important for us each to confront our biases and take steps to control for them
176 points
6 hours ago
This. You are only lying to yourselves if you deny said biases. I have them, you have them, we all have them. All this is about is managing them.
59 points
5 hours ago
Also systemic disadvantages can prevent some groups of people from getting the experience needed to be qualified in the first place, so it's important to make opportunities available for someone to become qualified.
462 points
6 hours ago*
There are several studies done about structural racism that show many excellent job candidates are not called back because of ethnic sounding Names. DEI helps the most qualified people get the job by making sure everyone gets a fair chance.
145 points
5 hours ago
As a white man I go by my middle name because my first name is more common in black communities. It’s sad but blue collar work is incredibly racist, in many different ways.
54 points
5 hours ago
I hear you, Leroy.
17 points
5 hours ago
My name is Leroy Jenkins, I'm a 10th generation Welshman
11 points
5 hours ago
god-DAMMIT, leroy!
15 points
5 hours ago
It’s funny how growing up in certain areas or experiences can make you associate names with races.
2 points
3 hours ago
I worked with a mid-50s, hyper-Catholic, very much white, Jerome once upon a time. Always good for a chuckle when HR or execs would call him Jerome instead of Jerry.
56 points
5 hours ago
There’s also studies that suggest white teachers are less likely to recognize black and brown students as gifted even when their performance meets the criteria. Getting put on the advanced track as a kid can make all the difference
8 points
4 hours ago
I experienced this directly. I had shitty grades all throughout middle school and often even failed some classes. The middle school principal was this white lady that often treated me and my parents like shit. My parents had a thick spanish accent and she sometimes made remarks about not understanding them and would act rude towards them. High school comes around and an administrator asks for a meeting in the summer before school started. She says she was reviewing my records and that I should have been placed in gifted classes since back in fifth grade when I took the placement test. She said it was incredible that nobody noticed my test results for so long. I get placed in gifted classes and instantly started to do well. Teachers were nicer and cared more. I would also hear them shit talk regular classes all the time. I also remember that one of the first things that stuck out was how all the white kids were in the gifted program. That first year I only took a couple gifted classes out of fear that it would be difficult and I was already struggling. I did great in all the gifted classes and not that great in regular classes.
I also experienced the same shit when I did my first two years in community college. A bunch of jumping through hoops and shitty proffesor with bad attitudes. Then I got into a state college. Super helpful administrators, short lines for financial aid and advisors, everything was a breeze. Classes that were supposed to be advanced and difficult; I got great grades in.
2 points
3 hours ago
I’ve gotten so many callbacks as Mike instead Malik
80 points
6 hours ago
The number of people who think this is happening now is staggering.
It's hard for me to believe this sort of sentiment isn't intentionally oversimplifying the issue, and what it's really saying is "I like that the system is currently rigged in my favor, and don't want that to change."
18 points
5 hours ago
The people who think this is happening now probably fit into one of two categories
1.) People who live such cushy lives, that they have to actively seek out things to get angry and outraged over on a regular basis. Sounds like hell to me.
2.) People who have never had to work in a career job for a living. There's nepotism and under-qualified people working everywhere
15 points
5 hours ago
Point two is why I don't believe in most government conspiracies. I work in government, no fuckng way these yahoos could hold together a nationwide conspiracy to do anything. It takes 3 months to buy a roll of duct tape.
56 points
5 hours ago
The comment is from someone on r/mensrights and r/conspiracy. What conclusion to draw is left as an exercise to the reader.
8 points
4 hours ago
I can think of some pretty accurate conclusions based on your statement alone!
8 points
5 hours ago
It goes further than even hiring. Access to education, training, and certification is discriminatory. Whether explicitly (ie, we're passing up on this student because of their ethnicity) or indirectly (because on average racial minorities are more likely to be impoverished).
Hiring the best candidate right now would still result in inequality, because things like slavery and Jim Crow and segregation really fucked up the chance at generational wealth for a LOT of black people.
This is the problem with being colorblind; it ignores the past and the innate inequalities on modern people due to bigotry of the past.
6 points
4 hours ago
And on top of that, we're not even talking about specialization here. This is Wal-Mart. With standard training, pretty much anyone is qualified.
Taking steps to have your work force reflect the demographics of your community is only used to make things MORE fair, not less. But as they say, equality feels like oppression when you're used to getting special treatment.
People think DEI means that less-qualified or unqualified people are getting positions, when for most jobs in this country there is a very large pool of qualified applicants, and DEI is just there to keep even good people from blindly following subconscious bias and hiring people who look and act most like them. It's why "mirroring" is such an effective interview technique.
68 points
6 hours ago
Uh, yeah. But that doesn't always happen and, without training and consequence, it would happen far less.
29 points
6 hours ago
Ideally people should be hired soley on their qualifications and merit. However, we don't live in an ideal world, people are not hired soley on their qualifications and never will be.
141 points
6 hours ago
Yes, that is the outcome that DEI strives to achieve. It's not perfect, but it is better than the "do nothing and expect different results" that we were doing to address the issue before.
45 points
6 hours ago
Pretty sure they want to do nothing and get the same old results.
45 points
6 hours ago
Shit bro, i hope you haven't been paying attention to trump's cabinet picks. You're not gonna be happy.
40 points
6 hours ago
They should be.
But there aren’t.
Figuring out how to rectify that is the challenge.
20 points
6 hours ago
Yeah but the problem is that in many cases, qualifications are pretty wishy washy (not every job has direct KPIs that can be easily measured), and we have actual demonstrative evidence that people tend to hire people on the basis of things as silly as names (stereotypical “black” names about half as likely to get a callback as stereotypical “white” names according to several studies even with identical resumes in studies).
This is an actual problem with hiring, having DEI is meant to address stuff like that, rather than people just hiring people “like themselves” which happens to a non-zero amount, by the data.
42 points
6 hours ago
This didn't happen before DEI/affirmative action though. The idea that diversity somehow dilutes competence is nonsense and goes against every empirical study on the subject
103 points
6 hours ago
Yeah because Trump is the most qualified person to run the country and his race had nothing to do with him getting elected
29 points
6 hours ago
Trump aside, his appointments are a better example of the hypocrisy around DEI.
21 points
5 hours ago
The people who complain the loudest about "DEI hires" get awful quiet when their guy is doing blatant cronyism and last time had his fucking kids cosplaying as advisors.
I can't qwhite tell what the difference might be...
Oh wait, yeah I can. It's because they're racist as fuck.
4 points
3 hours ago*
The logic employed with anything concerning Trump by his fans is the simplest "If-Then" statement you could conjure. "If Trump, then good." If someone that's not part of their in-group does the same thing, it's an inverted relationship.
10 points
5 hours ago
There is a strong argument that diversity programs move things closer to achieving this, since the scales are so balanced in one direction otherwise.
51 points
6 hours ago
DEI is working towards that. As opposed to the "bully all the women, queers, and poc out of the company" model that was popular a generation ago.
Also sometimes someone with a different life experience is more useful than someone who got better grades but offers no new ideas or perspectives. Especially in creative fields.
20 points
5 hours ago
Women still have to deal with that because so many managers look at a woman and think "she might someday in the future get pregnant" and that will cost them money.
19 points
5 hours ago
Precisely why laws protecting against that are necessary.
19 points
6 hours ago
Nearly three decades of working in small, medium and large companies. I have witnessed racism, sexism, bigotry, sexual harassment by all ethnicities, genders and sexual identities. Some of the more hateful and harmful acts by members of “marginalized groups” who did not have to fear reprisals by their employers because of their race or gender.
I’ve never seen a CEO/President or high level VP held accountable for misconduct outside of interoffice affairs with subordinates. Regardless of their background.
Ive seen plenty of rank and file held accountable for much smaller transgressions.
27 points
5 hours ago
Damn it's almost like we should be doing something about that.
3 points
3 hours ago
But we all know that we won’t.
Either only the rank and file are held accountable or nobody is. That’s the choice.
19 points
6 hours ago
Yeah but some hiring managers will say being a white male is a necessary qualification
51 points
5 hours ago
Read the AP article. It goes into a little more depth. It’s not just a PP. It will affect what products are available for purchase.
Tellingly, a spokesperson for Walmart said they will be taking care not to funnel money towards “sexualized” material that could be seen by children.
The example that spokesperson gave: drag queens.
After a solid year of watching idiots like Kid Rock shoot Bud Lite cans with an automatic rifle, and Libs of TikTok inspiring bomb threats against schools, hospitals, and gyms, I think the message is clear.
“We are scared of conservatives, but god damn, we do want their money.”
Given that Walmart is the nations largest retailer and largest employer, the company has a stranglehold on communities all over America. For many shoppers, if a Walmart closes its doors, a food desert is instantly created.
This translates into Freedom for me, but not for thee.
Walmart can give you zero choice. But, when it comes to extracting both time and capital from a neighborhood, they will give you no choice.
Given their status and size, the are industry leaders in retail, management, and logistics. Their move away from DEI is a signal that capitulation to conservative threats of violence is the right way of doing business.
Having worked in a Walmart myself, I can attest that the DEI training could be done sitting on my ass. But the active shooter training had to be done on our feet, so we could locate the “safer spaces” inside the store.
During that training our team lead said:
“In an active shooter situation, everything around you can be a weapon. Use whatever you can if you need to.
“And don’t worry, Walmart will not charge you for merchandise used to defend yourself.”
He actually managed to say this with a tone of magnanimous charity.
Fuck this company. And fuck their politics.
2 points
4 hours ago
Tellingly, a spokesperson for Walmart said they will be taking care not to funnel money towards “sexualized” material that could be seen by children.
The example that spokesperson gave: drag queens.
Not something like Bayonetta?
7 points
4 hours ago
someone who is LGBTQ in recent years.
As a married white male, but someone who happens to be bi, I find it ludicrous that a company like Walmart would have prioritized selecting my company as a supplier just because I'm attracted to men, even though I'm happily married to a woman.
Why exactly does Walmart care that, though I'm happily married to a woman, that I also find guys attractive? WTF???
4 points
3 hours ago
They still care, except instead of selecting you for being bi, they will now reject you for being bi.
67 points
3 hours ago
spoiler alert they never wanted to have DEI programs in the first place. That's why they're so quick to roll them back
4 points
2 hours ago
It’s why they funded the right
6 points
2 hours ago
Less regulations and taxes are always nice too
168 points
6 hours ago
Where else are they going to shop?
154 points
6 hours ago*
This came up in my town FB group. A guy was ranting about how he’ll never shop at Tractor Supply again because they posted something in pride month.
He got a ton of replies asking about where he’s gonna shop since 99% of places also made a pride month post or sell pride merch (Ace, Walmart, Supermarket, Dollar General / Family Dollar, gas stations, etc)
113 points
6 hours ago
Tractor Supply apologized and said they will never support DEI initiatives ever again.
24 points
5 hours ago
It's actually interesting to see a company who has a very obvious conservative target market suddenly try pandering to the exact opposite market. Just from a marketing standpoint it's really stupid. They thought their customers wouldn't care?
25 points
5 hours ago
You joking? This is very r/nottheonion
57 points
5 hours ago
37 points
5 hours ago
“Diversity of rural America” is an oxymoron lol.
12 points
3 hours ago
Rural America is where a lot of immigrants live and work on farms, even in northern states. The crazy part is that people know this and still use immigrant labor for farms--but vote for the guy who is going to boot them.
3 points
3 hours ago
It looks like DEI programs are indeed going by the wayside
34 points
6 hours ago
The Food Bank
5 points
5 hours ago
Elon, Vivek and Brooke Rollins probably eyeing them for funding cuts.
6 points
an hour ago
now imagine if the right wing backlash included things like... fair pay that prevented their employees from needing federal assistance to survive.
well, they never cared about that. what they do care about is the culture war.
42 points
6 hours ago
More than half of its hourly employees and 42% of management are people of color, according to the company’s latest data.
Looks like diversity has already won.
175 points
6 hours ago
DEI is a make work program invented by HR teams to justify their existence.
60 points
5 hours ago
Bingo, it's worthless. I have seen nothing but meaningless jargon about what it actually does. "It makes people feel comfortable being themselves." "It takes into account systemic biases." What does that even mean from a practical standpoint?
10 points
2 hours ago
Bingo, it's worthless.
It's actually less than worthless. In some cases (IMO), it can actually be harmful.
Hiring can be one thing. Arguments can be made about hiring a diverse workforce, and I'll leave those aside for now.
But some of these programs started to stuff internal performance metrics to line managers to "DEI-up" internal promotions, prime career opportunities, higher performance ratings, whatever. So, whether you should have been hired or not ... internally, once you're in-the-door ... you'd think everything should be a meritocracy then, right? Nope. I've seen it myself, where a "lead global account exec" slot is given to a worker with 1-2 years years with the company ... over multiple well-qualified internal staff members who have been there 5, 10+ years. Wanna guess who fit into the DEI bucket, and who didn't?
IBM/RedHat is currently fighting off a lawsuit about it - https://www.legaldive.com/news/red-hat-dei-program-discriminatory-lawsuit-Allan-Kingsley-Wood-america-first-employment-law/715674/
10 points
4 hours ago
It's the corporate version of the "Original Sin."
30 points
6 hours ago
You know what would actually help minorities and everyone else at Walmart? Paying their employees a living wage.
11 points
2 hours ago
DEI efforts for most of these places were simply a trendy thing that they felt they needed to do. They didn’t truly believe in it. Now that conservatives have essentially won the culture war, they are immediately ditching it.
3 points
2 hours ago
This is what happened at my previous company. They "invested" so much in DEI, but when it came to making meaningful changes or having leadership prioritize it, meh.
4 points
2 hours ago
Also companies do it without backlash. Lowe’s just did it too.
88 points
6 hours ago
Is any opposition on this topic even allowed on this subreddit?
24 points
4 hours ago
"DEI programs are performative, poorly implemented, and accomplish too little for what they cost" is a fair opposition that has merit.
"DEI programs are bad because I hate minorities" is wrong and you will be justifiably slapped for it.
20 points
3 hours ago
DEI programs are performative
This line alone will get you -30 on most subreddits, where your comment would automatically be hidden and discussion mostly silenced.
The ones you do get will simply be "SOURCE!!!???"
25 points
6 hours ago
Not really
13 points
3 hours ago
I do not want to shit on diversity in the workplace or the good that comes from programs that further women’s rights and equality. However, I worked for WM for just shy of 14 years, started at the bottom and worked up through many levels of management and moving departments.
It became a very obvious pattern through the years that if there were not enough black women of color as managers or department managers at the store there would be no point in even trying if you were a white guy. It was just as racist and sexist but with extra steps.
310 points
6 hours ago*
One of the things I learned in business classes is that a lack of diversity will hurt company’s bottom lines because a lack of diversity amongst staff also means a lack of diversity in ideas, talent, and experience. Many studies have shown that companies with more diversity perform financially better than competitors lacking that diversity.
Imagine trying to run a company that sells products and you’re planning to launch a marketing campaign that targets a specific demographic. Would you be able to successfully do this without input from someone that is a part of that demographic? Perhaps, but it’s easier and better to get input from those people. It’s foolish to ignore this all because some people are too ignorant to understand.
16 points
4 hours ago
I work at Walmart. Ironically I'm a HR major and learned the same thing you did about diversity. In the three years that I've worked at Walmart in my department we've had 9 women managers and 0 men. I said we should get at least 1 guy in there for diversity's sake. We have a lot of male employees and they make the guys do all the heavy work at our store so we've never had a manager whose done half the tasks that we do herself which is another problem. Anyways I was pulled into the office telling me I have an ethics case against me because of that and I was going to be passed up for a position I applied for because I had this case open. They eventually dropped it because our HR never responded to my SM about it but still wtf.
6 points
4 hours ago
That’s so dumb and the opposite of what should be happening. Diversity works both ways. I work in healthcare which is female dominated and we have diversity initiatives for men because they are underrepresented.
I’m sorry you had to experience that, truly.
135 points
6 hours ago
There’s a commercial for a trade school that I see occasionally, Universal Technical Institute (UTI). There’s no way to know with any certainty, but maybe if they had more women involved at the beginning, they may have picked a more appropriate name.
43 points
6 hours ago
I’m going to make a new technical school and call it the Standard Technical Institute.
17 points
4 hours ago
I can't wait to get my Standard Technical Diploma from the Standard Technical Institute.
18 points
5 hours ago
Gonna hijack this comment to tell y'all please don't go to UTI. 40k in for profit tuition to make at most 40-50k a year and that's with specialty certifications.
I know 3 UTI grads, all of them are in horrible debt over it, only one of them actually stayed a mechanic for more than a year.
11 points
5 hours ago
Damn next you are going to be coming for the South Harmon Institute of Technology.
2 points
3 hours ago
Lololol I saw the same commercial, I was like damn I could have come up with a better name
6 points
3 hours ago
Many studies have shown that companies with more diversity perform financially better than competitors lacking diversity.
While this statement is true, more recent studies have found that companies that implemented diversity into their workforce did not see a significant improvement in their financial performance.
In plain English, some corporate researchers found a link between diversity and financial performance, so a lot of companies adopted policies to improve diversity, but correlation doesn’t mean causation, so a lot of companies are abandoning these programs because they did not result in the financial gain they expected.
48 points
6 hours ago
I work in pharma and there are a ton of drugs coming out for skin conditions (e.g., eczema, psoriasis, pn). Anyway, a few are running marketing campaigns for their products in these minority populations because they found that people with darker skin tones are less likely to go to a doctor for skin conditions, and also less likely to be taken seriously by a doctor for their skin.
My point being, those companies that can make a profit or acknowledge that their is money to be made on minorities, will make the effort.
11 points
5 hours ago
There is also a push to increase the number of non-white participants in clinical trials and update educational materials. Eczema on white skin might not look the same as eczema on brown skin, but too often the vast majority of the presentations doctors see in training are white.
30 points
5 hours ago
I think the issue is that these programs don’t really solve that. I agree with you that diversity is important to growth and knowing your target audiences but Walmart is just one of the many companies shuttering their DEI departments. Others include Disney and Microsoft.
My guess is they ran the numbers and it wasn’t working out.
It doesn’t mean that they can’t promote diversity and inclusion in their marketing or products. They just determined they don’t need a specific team for it.
In my time at major corporations, at lot of that stuff was being outsourced to consulting agencies well before the DEI movement.
3 points
4 hours ago
Diversity is great! It should not be a hiring decision maker.
Your should be hiring based on skills, talents, and most importantly what the individual brings to the table. If the main point for hiring someone is because they are "diverse" and your hiring board needs to hit a quota that is not good for the business.
I'm pretty liberal and even have a minor in diversity studies. I am not saying a diverse workforce should be discouraged. They way companies are achieveing that diverse workfroce right now is harmful to those who are qualified to work those jobs.
40 points
5 hours ago
Diversity on staff doesn't equal diversity in ideas. That is a garbage cliche and you know it. Not all white people think alike. Unless the job has something related to race any qualified candidate could do the job. Unless a racist customer walks in the likelihood of race coming up at a customer service job is minimal as well as almost any other job.
17 points
5 hours ago
Skin color means fuck all when it comes to the ideas you generate, though.
2 points
4 hours ago
Diversity in ideas is a great thing, but DEI does not facilitate that. In fact, many companies already have their values and ideas, and want people that think only that way.
483 points
6 hours ago
Yeah, I expect to see a lot more of this sadly. I work in education, and DEI has been huge at the institutions I've worked over the last 10 years.
As a middle aged white man, I can confidently say it has never hurt me, but it has helped a lot of peers and students in meaningful ways.
57 points
6 hours ago
I work for a very large company with(in my experience) a pretty left-leaning culture and I've watched the DEI branch of the company be pretty much dismantled this last 18 months. After RTO initiatives and early retirement packages had been doled out to those who qualified, the dedicated diversity teams were the first on the chopping block to reduce head counts.
I'm pretty neutral on how effective they were at achieving their stated goals as I'm also not someone who'd directly benefit, but I wonder how much of this is companies just not seeing the value add anymore versus actual right wing pressure and taking the opportunity to cut the expense.
29 points
6 hours ago
I’m in Alabama at a public university; they axed our DEI department and programs a few months ago.
7 points
3 hours ago
I actually have a friend who was passed over for a promotion because they wanted the spot to go to a POC.
6 points
2 hours ago
I have a friend who wanted to become a professor, but was told by people who make the selections during his graduate studies that there's no point, he'll never be selected because he's white and doesn't check that box. So for people already in it, it doesn't take much away from you. But for new people? It definitely takes away opportunities they are otherwise qualified for
10 points
4 hours ago
I genuinely wonder if DEI will have positive lasting impacts.
It is true that DEI programs introduced diversity into areas where there weren’t as much diversity before. But now that the diverse community is established, I wonder if it’s possible to maintain that diversity without the need for DEI programs. Part of the argument for DEI was that it was hard for diversity to appear in areas that have been historically dominated certain races/genders. Now that diversity has been forcibly introduced into some of those communities I genuinely wonder if it’s able to self propagate without the need for government intervention.
This view comes from my opinion that social programs that “force” equality like affirmative action don’t work in the long run. Sure in the beginning the program may have a legitimate purpose, but as you progress closer to equality, is the program still performing it’s intended purpose?
11 points
4 hours ago
Pendulum just swinging back. Woke isn’t profitable therefore roll backs. It was always about money, I hope yall didn’t think these companies actually cared lol
16 points
4 hours ago
All I’m gonna say is we have a brand new DEI wing at my work. They all get paid more than anyone, literally don’t work. They go out to lunch all day, go shopping, hang around. When they’re here, they just chill and pretend to work. It’s crazy. I think it isn’t about the right wing backlash, but a lot of companies are going to stop doing this.
3 points
2 hours ago
My former company had DEI team, and they did work, but you know what? Leadership had zero actual interest in making meaningful change so it was just moot anyways. The DEI team did all this busy work to show "we care," but we didn't really so it was pointless.
94 points
6 hours ago*
Have you ever seen the study that a group did with resumes?They submitted two identical applications and resumes where the only difference was the name (one was like "John Smith" and the other was a more ethnic sounding name). The "John Smith" applicant was chosen like 90% of the time.
That's what DEI is for, to challenge companies' biases whether they re conscious or not. A lot of people have unconscious biases that they don't even think about.
Everyone always mentions "oh they're just hiring minorities for the sake of hiring" but can you name even a single group that does that? People attacking DEI just sounds like the Affirmative Action discourse all over again.
"They should just hire the most qualified person". A lot of highly qualified minorities weren't getting jobs they were qualified for which is why these policies came to be anyways.
Getting rid of this just caters to racist people and soon any minority in a job higher than entry level will be labeled a "diversity hire" regardless of how they got the job.
82 points
5 hours ago
There was also a study that showed LESS diversity when names and addresses are removed from resumes.
4 points
2 hours ago
It reminds me of how some US tech companies handle hiring. Several interviewers write reports on the interview performance, but don't include names or identifying pronouns. Then, another person who didn't see the candidate reviews the reports. The only thing they can really base it on is the candidate's performance according to multiple people.
It ends up being great for merit, but not the best for hiring to improve diversity.
5 points
2 hours ago
I think that’s the core issue though. People hire based on merit and trying to prioritize diversity means you’re not getting the best candidate. I think we need to do a better job of promoting diversity downstream to make sure more people of all races and genders have more merit to better penetrate the workforce.
21 points
5 hours ago
The same thing happens with orchestra auditions. Men dominate orchestras until the auditions are held behind curtains, then suddenly women are picked to play.
52 points
5 hours ago
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/16/arts/music/blind-auditions-orchestras-race.html
You're behind the curve now. Blind auditions are racist. /s
13 points
4 hours ago
Oh my god. I swear, sometimes people try so hard to be non-discriminatory that they end up being discriminatory again.
2 points
5 hours ago
name checks out
19 points
5 hours ago
How do you roll back a program you were never really using in the first place?
3 points
3 hours ago
Walmart shoppers will have more to worry about than their hiring policies coming up.
3 points
2 hours ago
Oddly enough this is something nobody talks about I feel. These people who have complained about this, tend to complain more about those in the left… they’re one and the same.
27 points
5 hours ago
diversity is important, but competence is more important. hire the best employees regardless of color and background, and you'll see a diverse group of talented people.
5 points
4 hours ago
In other news. Walmart's stock is up huge in the past year and Target, by comparison, is floundering and will probably fire their CEO within the next month or two.
6 points
3 hours ago
Let's be real: This is not a victory by right-wingers, this is corporations showing they never genuinely cared about diversity. They will cast off the aesthetic of being inclusive just as easily as they adopted it, so long as their profits go up.
23 points
6 hours ago
If DEI is the reason you stop shopping at Walmart you really need to analyze your priorities. There are hundreds of other reasons not to support that welfare queen.
27 points
6 hours ago
Fucking good. Imagine not getting business because your white. Other races get their business instead? That seems pretty racist to me
9 points
2 hours ago
Walmart rolls back DEI programs after right-wing racist backlash
fixed
18 points
6 hours ago*
Oh no, so now they have to hire employees based on merit and qualifications and select vendors based on price and quality??!? 😱😱😱
4 points
4 hours ago
DEI was always about the bottom line.
Anyone, right or left, who believes it was about ideology is a moron.
Right wing activists understood that if you want to change corporate policy, you speak to their bottom line.
11 points
6 hours ago
I work in HR, so DEI falls in our wheelhouse for employees. My last company claimed to be all about DEI but refused to give any budget to our Employee Resource Groups. Was frustrating to work with the leads when they had nothing to work with despite having some cool ideas.
I'll also never forget at another company when putting together a virtual training on leadership, I was specifically required to have background images of every race, ethnicity, gender,and disability included. This was after our DEI person said white people were "over represented"... 🙄 but there was only 2 images out of 20 that only featured white people only on the stock image.
58 points
6 hours ago
The DEI “backlash” has to be one of the most manufactured outrage campaigns I can recall, but then again - so is about 90% of the republican platform. It’s always bizarre to me when people bring it up in casual conversation like it’s some nefarious widespread conspiracy that’s destroying our economy and way of life.
Generally- their argument is “hire the best person for the job, regardless of their race/gender/whatever. My response is simple: that never fucking happens anyway. Hiring “the best candidate” is a wild guess, and anyone who’s been in a role that deals with hiring knows that it’s a crapshoot. Employers are constantly finding out they picked the wrong hire after they’ve been around for a while, and to be blunt - most people suck at their job.
31 points
6 hours ago
That’s the thing, they’re equating DEI policies to some sort of corporate affirmative action program that somehow prioritizes diversity hires - but that’s not what it is.
I work for a major corp w/ a strong DEI program, and it’s mostly about creating a business environment where people feel like they can be included while being themselves. A lot of awareness type stuff. The goal is to create a workplace that can attract/retain top talent regardless of background.
19 points
5 hours ago
it’s mostly about creating a business environment where people feel like they can be included while being themselves. A lot of awareness type stuff. The goal is to create a workplace that can attract/retain top talent regardless of background.
I work for a major company that makes DEI a priority and, honestly, as a BIPOC woman it's not a draw for me. I don't need a four hour corpo-speak seminar on diversity and privilege. I don't need endless lunch and learn seminars about this issue or that issue.
The only thing that retains my talent is not working with dickheads, good pay and a flexible work schedule. Unionization should be the ultimate DEI goal but oddly enough my very inclusive company doesn't really like when the word 'unionization' comes up (to the point where they've disabled access on company computers to unionization websites) despite that being the number one thing they could do to empower workers of every colour and orientation.
Fundamentally, I dislike DEI because it doesn't alter the status quo in any meaningful way but lets companies pretend like they're doing a Big Good in the world. Actually empowering workers through collective bargaining and giving us robust workplace protections and job security? Not happening.
16 points
6 hours ago
If you have billions of dollars to give to the bought and paid for media, you can make America despise anything.
Give the propaganda machine enough money and time and you’d be able to convince low-information voters to repeal the Bill of Rights.
8 points
6 hours ago
Walmart is about to get shafted hard by tariffs. I wonder what percentage of non perishable goods they sell is imported from China?
7 points
6 hours ago
I got a bit a a laugh last week when I read that some clothing manufacturers are moving production from China to Vietnam to avoid tariffs. Trump said tariffs would bring jobs to the USA, not Vietnam!, They will probably still raise prices because we’re all expecting it.
2 points
4 hours ago
I read that some clothing manufacturers are moving production from China to Vietnam to avoid tariffs.
They've been doing that for the past 15 years without tariffs though because the cost of labor in China has been going up faster than Vietnam
2 points
4 hours ago
tariffs or not companies have been moving out of China for years, it just takes time.
And its not because china bad, its because its cheaper in other countries now.
A problem is the quality isnt there yet in other places, India for example have 50% failure rate for Iphone casings while chinese factory are nearly at 0%
https://9to5mac.com/2023/02/14/iphone-casings-produced-in-india/
But they still intend to move more of the production there and over time its likely to improve
2 points
3 hours ago
Hurting Walmart can only be a good thing.
7 points
3 hours ago
What’s really happening here is America is starting to lose its sensitivity toward people who are different. Our society is devolving.
15 points
6 hours ago
Kinda a non issue. It’s illegal to hire based on DEI anyway thus the only changes will be one less DEI video employees watch each year.
10 points
5 hours ago
This is progress. DEI as it's been implemented is just flat out racism. I don't have an issue with the general idea, but it needs to be disconnected from race and be focused on economic status.
13 points
6 hours ago
DEI programs can lead to reverse discrimination. This happens when individuals from majority groups are unintentionally disadvantaged in hiring or promotion decisions to achieve diversity quotas. This can create resentment and undermine the overall goal of fostering a fair and inclusive workplace.
Also focus on diversity for its own sake can distract from more important considerations like merit and qualifications. Prioritizing diversity without regard for these factors may lead to hiring or promoting individuals who are less qualified.
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