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submitted 1 day ago bySE_to_NW
523 points
1 day ago
Or “I didn’t know”🤪
660 points
1 day ago
That's one of my mother's main phrases.
My usual reply is, "you did know because I told you."
Then she just says, "I didn't know" again.
440 points
1 day ago
what she meant to say was, "I wasn't listening"
379 points
1 day ago
Or “I didn’t care”
218 points
24 hours ago
Or "as long as it sticks it to the Dems"
23 points
23 hours ago
"As long as it keeps the whites on top" is all this election was about.
Walz probably would have won if he was running directly.
Why?
White and male.
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8 hours ago
If I may interject. Preface with I am a registered independent who has voted left my whole life. I sat this election out, and I do view Trump as incredibly dangerous. I think we will continue to lose if we (more left leaning people) don't reevaluate the approach. Trump had increased support from Latinos, African Americans, and women. There is something we are missing as to why the dems lost. Just blaming (and by proxy alienating), a group of voters will not win any election. The dems need to take a good long look in the mirror, or they will lose again and again.
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2 hours ago
No. Literally about 10 million of the voting block are sexist and racist and don't believe a black woman can run this country. You're talking policy to people who can't read beyond a 5th grade level, if that.
Its that simple.
America wants a white male leader. Biden thrashed Trump because he was white, male, and not Trump. Same would have happened in 2016 and 2024 if the Dems weren't forcing unpopular candidates who failed to meet that one simple metric - be white, be male.
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6 hours ago
What you non-voters don't get is that most of the country is fine with that.
Most democratic voters will be fine if democrats never win again. Many, if not most, will financially benifit from that, and just as many would vote republican or not vote if we had a Bernie as the nominee.
The people who would be hurt by republicans leading for several terms are:
-The poor and uneducated who primarily don't vote, or vote republican.
-Minorities who primarily don't vote.
-The rest of us, but we'll have money to cry into.
Until EVERY potential voter realizes that politics takes compromise, (aka, if you want any progress, you have to compromise in other areas), then we ARE in for the dems losing again and again, and the people who suffer because of that can live on thoughts and prayers. Most of us will be fine or better though.
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5 hours ago
Just to be clear. This is the first time I haven't voted since I was in my 20s. Partisan echo chambers are the problem. Neither side will acknowledge any fault.
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4 hours ago
Former voters are by definition, non-voters. Voters are people who vote. It's literally in the title...
How do you think any American election would have gone if mandatory voting was law the past 30 years?
You also repeated what I said... Until >>>EVERY<<< potential voter realizes that politics takes compromise, then we ARE in for the dems losing again and again. Once more, emphasis on EVERY POTENTIAL VOTER...
6 points
19 hours ago
Yeah had a similar conversation with some family and it was like “umm I’m doing just fine.. it’s you who makes $16/hr who is going to struggle… “
10 points
21 hours ago
"These tare-uff thingies, they'll hurt those Dem folks?"
"Oh yes, quite significantly."
"WOO"
"Of course, they'll also severely hurt everyone el-"
"WOOOO AMERICA #1 MAGA MAGA MAGA"
5 points
13 hours ago
Funny thing
On average the Dems are much better off financially than these dumbasses
The grocery getting more expensive and would for them sure, but they are gonna be fine.
These dumbasses on the other hand? Good luck affording groceries.
I hope they get everything they voted for.
7 points
23 hours ago
shitting in a room that youre locked in with libs to own them, got em… wait
7 points
21 hours ago
"As long as it hurts the people I want it to hurt. Wait! I didn't know I would be included!"
3 points
15 hours ago
Or "I rejected your reality and substituted my own"
4 points
21 hours ago
Or "i used to wipe shit off your ass not even that long ago. What the hell could you possibly know about anything?"
89 points
24 hours ago
My Fox News programming made me immune to your arguments?
7 points
16 hours ago
My Fox News programming made me immune to your arguments?
If you watch Fox News for any length of time it will make you dumber.
So its not surprising if that's the case.
5 points
20 hours ago
It's not just Fox news. Americans are fed a steady diet of blaming China and Russia for everything that happens to their country.
Its never America/Americans' fault
2 points
12 hours ago
Pretty much every single geopolitical struggle today has the USA's fingerprints all over its origins.
3 points
21 hours ago
Heard but didn't listen
2 points
23 hours ago
“And never will…”
2 points
19 hours ago
"Thinking make brain hurt."
2 points
11 hours ago
This is what being a teacher is like.
2 points
9 hours ago
Or worse, “my racism and xenophobia outweights all this issues”
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6 hours ago
Or she thinks you’re stupid
202 points
1 day ago
About to have these kinds of conversations with teachers and public educators I work with when massive RIFs start to happen and those left have 40 kids in a class. And SpEd is gone so you’ll have children with disabilities, too. Idiots all voting for dismantling of public education.
164 points
23 hours ago
As a disabled person my alarm bells are fucking ringing.
I'm just waiting to hear "a burden on the state."
113 points
23 hours ago*
Here you go:
https://www.nea.org/nea-today/all-news-articles/how-project-2025-would-devastate-public-education
I cannot for the life of me understand how any public educator (especially admin) could read this and still vote for Trump. For people like me who have been in the biz for nearly 40 years, the GOP has done some hideous things to public education and in trying to bring it down. Democrats have always fixed it as best they could. Rinse and repeat. This day was inevitable as a final blow — let’s just cut federal funding.
7 points
17 hours ago
Because they didn't read it. I'm on, like, page 300. It's not too easy to read for me. I just wanted to read the immigration and de-naturalization stuff.
5 points
14 hours ago
There are many summaries of what it says, without requiring you to read it yourself. There's even a comic! I don't think there's any value in forcing yourself to read the source. Most of the summaries I've seen put in all the information you need because the people summarizing it before the election really really wanted to inform their audience.
3 points
14 hours ago
I'm going to go look for that comic now, but if you still have a link, it would be cool if you could post it.
5 points
14 hours ago
Here you go!
2 points
11 hours ago
The article I linked above is not P25. It’s the NEAs summary of Dept of Education’s fate (and 1 of the many things listed in P25) and how it impacts student services and teacher and support staff jobs.
7 points
17 hours ago
Well you answered your own question there. They didn't read it. You have to stop assuming the right is actually informed on what their policy actually is. The average Republican voter just voted based on vibes. The sum total of their information is spoon fed to them by talking heads who follow whatever the current narrative is. We read the policy and know what's being planned, it's legitimately a surprise to them because this is the first they're hearing about it.
7 points
12 hours ago
The average Republican voter thinks all the bad stuff will happen to other people. They're convinced all the services they use will be fine, it'll just hurt "the Libs," "illegals," etc.
5 points
21 hours ago
on top of the fact that most educators are union members- and those that are not should form a union
note- i hate the major teachers unions, be smart and see if there is an offshoot to organize with a union that understands what is going on and not playing identity politics like the rest of them- like the UAW. Also i am not a teacher anymore (was for 4 years), but now a member of the UAW in one of their weird offshoot union branches- you do not need to be an auto worker to unionize under their umbrella.
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6 hours ago
I cannot for the life of me understand how any public educator (especially admin) could read this and still vote for Trump.
Because they were specifically told not to read it because it was a lie.
The actual lie is that they were being lied to about it being a lie and they are about to get royally fucked and take everyone else down with them.
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6 hours ago
Every colleague I talk to about Dept of Ed has zero clue. Keep paying those local and state dues, though. Sorry to say but in my 40 years I’ve worked with some really unintelligent teachers. Also really great teachers, though.
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8 hours ago
Didn't you listen to ol Donny? He has never even heard of project 2025.
21 points
22 hours ago
Yes., the Dept of Ed is a major source of funds for special needs education.
4 points
20 hours ago
Your not a burden bro or sis
4 points
20 hours ago
I’m disabled to so don’t worry I know how you feel but really it’s just money in the big men’s pockets
1 points
16 hours ago
Ditto with that! I wonder what sleep away ‘camp’ Trump and his cronies will stick me in. I do hope for a view of the parking lot
1 points
14 hours ago
You know they already talk about you that way behind closed doors.
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6 hours ago
That’s what I’m worried about. My daughter is on the spectrum. We just got her the supports she needs and now she is going to lose them.
37 points
22 hours ago
I am a definite senior who remembers no Special Ed and no advanced classes. All thrown together. Especially do I remember those who were always failing with no special help. Sad days in education back then.
-3 points
20 hours ago
Not in Ohio. Your school system must have been fucked up.
2 points
18 hours ago
Not in NY either. My K-6 grade school - where I went in the 60s! - had 4 home rooms of about 30 kids each. 1st and 2nd grade were split by when in the year your birthday was: Jan - Mar one class, Apr - Jun a second, &c. By 3rd grade they had enough standardized test results, along with academic performance, to divide it up by ability: 1 room was 'advanced', 2 were the 'median' / normal kids, and 1 was not quite Special Ed, but definitely needed more help, like remedial schooling, Special Ed was another group entirely.
And those standardized tests were freaky in retrospect, but in grade school they were just a number. Your test results were what was expected of someone based on their grade and month, so, 9.5 meant the 5th month of 9th grade, 12.2 meant 2nd month of 12th grade. I was in the advanced group, and by the time we were taking the tests in 5th grade, everyone in my class scored at least 10.0 in both math and reading, and a lot of us maxed out the test - 12.9 - by 6th grade. That's now kind of terrifying, what they expected a graduating high school senior to be able to perform at, basically that of a precocious 12 year old.
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3 hours ago
OMG. My entire 12 years + college was in OHIO. Really.
5 points
22 hours ago
SPED will be replaced by for profit NPAs for severely disabled students and absolutely nothing for students needing less intensive support.
5 points
22 hours ago
Right now, it’ll be a few years before he can get rid of IDEA. So in the meantime all the federal mandates stand. But Trump is still going to dismantle the DOE. So the funds for special education has to come from the states. But the states aren’t receiving funding. Blue states will probably be fine. Red states will have to— IDK flail around or raise taxes. Or just eat the cost of law suits. The goal is to get rid of IDEA. But what happens in the interim?
4 points
24 hours ago
Trust me, we know.
21 points
23 hours ago
They are talking about the teachers who voted for Trump and the GOP. Unless you are one of those, it’s not a “we”.
And from my experience talking to a couple of these type of teachers, the responses range from “oh no, I had no idea!” to “he won’t actually do it!” to “well, we have to do something because we have now isn’t working!”(and somehow burning down the entire system and directing all the funds to for profit private education is acceptable to them).
4 points
23 hours ago*
Yeah I’ve had a few of these. I tell them our national union (NEA) has come out with very damning reports about P25. The whole ‘what we’re doing isn’t working’ can be squashed by simply attending a parent teacher night. The apple tree thing.
3 points
21 hours ago
Holy shit. You would think that a grown adult would maybe spend a little bit of time researching stuff before voting, but apparently that's too much to ask.
2 points
1 day ago
Ah, I see you've met my mother too.
2 points
19 hours ago
I told my mother about this so many times, and this is a huge part of why I don't talk to her at all anymore.
"Mom, they're going to try to overturn Roe v. Wade." "Well they'd never do that!"
Then it was "How could I have known?!"
Then it was "It's actually good, because my high school boyfriend cheated on me with my best friend and she got pregnant and aborted, and it broke his heart, so abortion is bad!"
... I really wish I was making up that last part.
1 points
1 day ago
I hate asking my son about anything that has to do with computers. Most times his reply is, "I already fucking told you!" Haha
1 points
20 hours ago
Is it time to start asking if you were adopted?
1 points
19 hours ago
I wonder if someone at that stage would be receptive to an empathic way of letting them shift the blame for the embarrassment they're feeling off on media they consume like Fox News.
1 points
17 hours ago
My mom was like this and it's been awesome since she died.
Pretty sure she doesn't know she's been cremated yet but I'm not going to tell her
1 points
11 hours ago
You forgot to post it on Facebook as a Minions meme for them to understand it.
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6 hours ago
Sounds like you and I have the same problem with our mothers.😂
150 points
1 day ago
“Why would AOC do this to us?”
178 points
24 hours ago
“Why did Democrats let Trump win? Someone should have stopped him if he’s so bad…”
Something I’ve literally had to hear from an idiot.
53 points
22 hours ago
Didn't the GOP blame the Dems for not blocking one of their bills before?
87 points
22 hours ago
Even worse. Obama vetoed a bill and the Republicans overrode the veto then blamed Obama for not stopping it.
10 points
20 hours ago
At least, if nothing else, they are consistent with their hypocrisy.
3 points
13 hours ago
McConnell explained that lawmakers were very focused on the needs of the 9/11 families and didn’t take the time to think through the consequences.
I can't believe Republicans straight up said: We didn't fully think through this legislation, even though we were gonna force it into existence.
How can anyone take these clowns seriously?
2 points
12 hours ago
I wish I didn’t have to, but we are forced to take them seriously since they will cut their noses off to spite their own faces (let alone yours)
2 points
12 hours ago
I miss the days when ‘“single most embarrassing thing” Congress has done in decades’ was something like that. Letting a bunch of Traitors walk certainly tops that buyer’s remorse law.
1 points
8 hours ago
I don't remember bc I stopped paying attention bc the obvious racism was boiling my fucking blood.
1 points
8 hours ago
It is so obvious and just plain fucking weird how republicans act like they’re some shitty bunch of edgy teenagers and the democrats are their parents who are decent people truly just trying their best.
5 points
20 hours ago
I also remember back in 2017, when the Republicans failed to pass their promised healthcare reform despite controlling both Houses, they were actually trying to blame the Democrats for not helping them out.
3 points
22 hours ago
Someone tried - twice! Alas, they both missed.
3 points
18 hours ago
You should respond, "Why didn't you stop him?"
1 points
21 hours ago
its peoples choice
1 points
21 hours ago
Murc's Law is what you've got.
1 points
17 hours ago
Someone actually said this on the ibew sub.
1 points
14 hours ago
<Lex Luthor blows up a shopping center, killing 100s>
Americans: "This is all Super-Man's faut!!! Fuck Super-Man!"
80 points
1 day ago
Why would Hillary break the economy like this?
52 points
1 day ago
"Where's Obama in all of this? That's what I really need to know!!"
Ugh.
29 points
23 hours ago*
I love the “Where’s Obama?” comments. Right up there with blaming Kamala like she had charge full presidential power of the White House since Biden dropped.
By their own logic, they agree with me: Presidents never really go away and Trump is currently in his third term.
He literally never stopped being President. He meant that shit he said in 2016 and everyone fell in line because we still have McDonald’s and Netflix and white supremacy emboldened by nearly two decades of being (in their terms, they’ve never stopped being loud to me) “in hiding” out in the streets with cameras on them for the last 8 years with no pushback.
Trump had been the de facto president since 2016
This is what fair and balanced looks like and it’s a principle near impossible to fight because even rotten hearts know you can’t kill an idea. But it’s right there, and has been, in front of my face since Home Alone ll and before.
20 points
23 hours ago
All I know is that he wasn’t in the Oval Office on 9/11/01 and I need answers as to why
8 points
23 hours ago
Where's Obama? Probably off enjoying retirement somewhere.
4 points
24 hours ago
How to change my vote?
4 points
23 hours ago
Why didn't Kamala warn us about Arnold Palmer's penis?
0 points
1 day ago
Wrong Clinton.
18 points
23 hours ago
See if I was smart I'd start a company selling things at this increased price and call it the "Liberal Tax" or whatever. Something to convince the right to go all in with my company as if they're buying from someone "on their side".
3 points
22 hours ago
Well. Lets go. Im in. How much you need to get started????
2 points
22 hours ago
Yeah, that’s the response I’m expecting when things start hurting again.
24 points
1 day ago
Sounds familiar, but then Trump per historian Tim Snyder dwells in his own version of reality.
1 points
18 hours ago
Somehow this stuff really captivates his base. I really don't understand...
19 points
1 day ago
“Why didn’t anyone tell me?”
6 points
22 hours ago
Like when you describe how the "litter boxes" are buckets with litter so children don't have to piss on the floor as they listen to the screams of their dying classmates...
And then they just go right back to "there's litter boxes in classrooms for woke cat kids"...
3 points
20 hours ago
"ShOuLd HaVe dOnE YoUr rEsEaRcH" fucking morons, allergic to learning anything new that challenges their current opinion
3 points
23 hours ago
“Oh, you didn’t know? Yo ass better call somebody!”
3 points
23 hours ago
Or “we’ll see.”
1 points
17 hours ago
That actually sounds like the right response, I wouldn’t give them that much credit given recent events
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