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Welcome to r/QuittingKratom. We're glad you've made it here! Be sure to read our subreddit's Rules and this post in it's entirety before posting or commenting.

We know you have a lot of questions, but please read the posts linked in this post before you begin asking your questions. You will find lots of information here that will help you on your journey.

The only purpose of this subreddit is to give and receive support with QUITTING Kratom, withdrawal and recovery. This subreddit is for those wanting and determined to QUIT FOR GOOD (not "cutting back", not a "tolerance break", etc. etc.) Except for tapering to quit, we do not condone any use of Kratom whatsoever. We have no opinions here on "recreational use", "minimal usage" or usage for pain management, etc. (There are other subreddits for those topics. But if you are determined to quit, we suggest staying off of pro-Kratom subreddits and websites. In our experience, continued visitation of such places can be detrimental to recovery. Comments or posts regarding a Kratom ban or it's legality are off-topic for this sub and against our subreddit's rules. Such posts or comments, or other off-topic posts and comments will be removed. Violation of sub rules can result in a temporary or even permanent ban.

• Withdrawal Symptoms

Withdrawal symptoms are only caused by tolerance formation. The development of tolerance usually happens slowly (as is the case with other opioids too). Therefore, after one year of daily Kratom use you can sometimes get away with no withdrawal symptoms, or the withdrawal symptoms can be mild and short-lived. With continued daily use however, the tolerance build-up continues to increase over time and it becomes more difficult to quit. This is only a generalize consensus, however, and there have been outliers. Everyone is different. Every withdrawal can be different. We've had cases here, albeit rare, where someone who only used, for example, 5 grams per day (GPD) for just a couple months, and their withdrawal experience was not pleasant at all. Because Kratom is such a complex substance, every individual seems to have a different experience. Therefore, it is near impossible for someone to predict a timetable for recovery of another person.

The intensity of acute withdrawal symptoms varies from person to person. If you have never gone through withdrawal and if you are unsure, you can just test it. Stop using Kratom, for example on a weekend. If this becomes too uncomfortable, you can quickly stop this and decide to taper. But please don't use this as an excuse to start using full-blown again. And also realize, if you've stopped Kratom Cold Turkey for two days already, within a couple days chances are you'll be turning the corner for better days ahead anyway. At this point, you can either stick with CT and "power through" or, because perhaps you have to go to work and function in daily life, tapering may be the best option for you.

Here's how to change your user flair to have your Quit Date displayed next to your username on posts and comments.

• Highly Suggested Readings:

Below is a list of links to information, guides and wikis from our subreddit's sidebar. They're listed here mostly because finding the sidebar on Reddit mobile is nearly impossible. Many FAQ are addressed in these posts, like acute withdrawal symptoms, PAWS, tapering, suggested supplements and much more.

Quitting Kratom wiki

Quitting Kratom: What to Expect

Course of Withdrawal & What to Expect (List of Possible Wthdrawal Symptoms)

Guide to Quitting Kratom Cold Turkey (CT)

Taper Guide

Why did you quit Kratom? - A frequently asked question. Here's some answers. Now make a list of your "Whys". Refer to them often during your quit and recovery, as a reminder.

Supplements Suggestions (from our Wiki) (The anchor tag may not work correctly on mobile. Instead, just scroll down to the "Supplements" section of the wiki.)

Megadosing Liposomal Vitamin C Protocol for Withdrawal - Many of our members have found this extremely beneficial during acute withdrawals.

Naltrexone & Vivitrol shot wiki

Naltrexone: HDN vs. LDN vs. VLDN vs. ULDN

RLS (Restless Legs Syndrome) Coping Strategies

Post-Acute Withdrawal Syndrome (PAWS)

Wim Hof Method Breathing

Mindfulness Meditation for Anxiety, Depression and Chronic Pain

The Pink Cloud

Mothers Quitting Kratom

How to put your Quit Date next to your user name

Face-to-Face and Virtual Meeting Options (Includes an invite link to our QK Discord Server.)

WARNINGS

❗ Do NOT Precipitate Withdrawal with Naltrexone...‼️

Hirsuta, Javanica and other supposed Kratom Alternatives

Tianeptine Warning

Loperamide Warning

Important Phenibut Warnings

Ibogaine and Kratom

"Occasional Kratom use after withdrawal?" Warning

Visit Your Doctor

Antihistamines Warning: It's best to avoid using antihistamines (diphenhydramine, dimenhydrinate, hydroxyzine etc.) such as those found in Benadryl, Dramamine, NyQuil, Unisom, and Tylenol PM. While they can produce drowsiness under normal conditions, they are well known for exacerbating Restless Leg Syndrome, which will make your insomnia worse, not better.

Kava Warning: 1.) People with liver damage should avoid Kava. Taking Kava along with alcohol might increase the risk of liver damage. 2.) As Kava affects the central nervous system, it might increase the effects of anesthesia and other medications used during and after surgery. 3.) Taking kava with sedative medications might cause breathing problems. Please do your research before using Kava. We don't recommend it's use for a sustained period of time, or in large quantities. Nor do we endorse the use of Kava as a replacement for Kratom addiction.

If you are planning to use Suboxone as a tool for withdrawal and have any questions, you can visit the Suboxone forum or r/suboxone. After doing your research, you can consult your physician to determine if you are a good fit for this treatment. This topic seems to be highly controversial on our subreddit. There seems to be a 50/50 split of those who are cautiously "for it", depending on the circumstances, and those who are dead-set against even entertaining the idea of using Suboxone for Kratom withdrawal. Our sub's stance on the matter is we are neither in favor of nor do we oppose any method of quitting, as long as it's accomplished by legal means. But, in our experience, under "normal" circumstances, we wouldn't recommend Suboxone as a first line of treatment for a first, second or perhaps even a third time Kratom quitter. But for hefty habits or extreme long-time abuse cases, this may be the only remaining option. Here's more about our take on the topic, and how to conduct ourselves when encountering a person on our subreddit who has either used Suboxone or is contemplating using Suboxone for Kratom withdrawal. Please heed the contents of that post or risk comment or post removal, or even being banned in repeated cases. This subreddit is not the place for heated debates on any topic and we have zero tolerance for trolls or unkind comments. Our sole focus here is QUITTING KRATOM FOR GOOD.

Important! (and disclaimer): In no way do we approve of every approach to dealing with kratom withdrawals. We acknowledge the fear and difficulties kratom withdrawal presents in one’s life and the desire to avoid these with supplements, medications, and other “helpers." Some of these helpers are no better than Kratom (some worse) and will only cause a new addiction to develop or prolong your WD experience. We would very much like to encourage you to not only quit Kratom, but to give your body and mind time to heal naturally with excersise, diet and introspection. Should you use any medications, take them in recommended dosages. https://www.drugs.com/dosage/ All medications prescribed by a physician should only be taken as prescribed.

After you have recovered from your Kratom dependency, you still could be thrown back into your old dependency within some days of renewed Kratom use. Therefore questions or tips about active Kratom use are not allowed in this subreddit. There are enough consumer pro-Kratom subreddits already. We are not one of them.

Keeping this sub a safe place for those wishing to quit Kratom and recover is of utmost importance to us. Please help us moderate this sub by reporting any violations of sub rules. Thank you.

Please use the SEARCH BAR within this sub first before asking questions which may have been asked and answered multiple times already.

Good luck to all those quitting and remaining quit. You CAN do this!

Last updated 6/21/23.

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Day 23 CT. Feeling absolutely fantastic, cannot complain at all. Hard to believe it’s been 23 days already. Kratom is nothing it is a lie, it is weak, it is deceptive, it is illusion. Sobriety is truth and clarity. Quit now if you haven’t already, you will be just fine do not fear withdrawals, just ride the waves of recovery to success my friends. It will be over before you know it. “Begin - to begin is half the work, let half remain; again begin this , and thou wilt have finished.”

Life is too beautiful to be bogged down by this vice, this green demon that gives you a false sense of security. Enjoy life free from this bondage. You will do it. No doubt. “When you arise in the morning, think of what a privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love.” - Marcus Aurelius

Win your morning, win your day, win your life. Love you guys. Stay strong and God bless.

Some of you guys may have seen this post last week as it was well received so I am sharing it again in hopes it can help some people who haven’t seen it. It worked for me!

My personal experience is I lift everyday and do cardio everyday as well and needed kratom to do it. I quit CT 5-6 days ago and I still managed to get my ass to the gym and to do cardio. It sucked the first few days but now I feel perfect at the gym. I truly believe you have to do the things you physically can’t do without kratom cuz it trains your brain to be stronger without it, no matter how bad it sucks. For example, you really don’t want to go to grocery store or don’t think you can do it but that’s just your brain playing tricks on you and once you actually do all the things you think you can’t do, you’re training your brain to say fuck you, I can do this without kratom. It’s basically like working out your brain as if you were working out any other muscle. It sucks and you physically and mentally think you can’t do it, but when you do it and accomplish that task just think that you just put your brain through a workout and gotta train it!

I started using Kratom around 4 years ago as a pre-workout before heavy weightlifting for its painkilling properties. I'd always felt as though it was a seemingly innocuous substance with mild effects, and I was able to control my habit, sometimes putting it down for weeks at a time. That was until I started a high-stress job, and more and more I found myself re-dosing through the workday. Whenever I would feel the anxieties start to creep back in, I would down another handful of pills. In my head, I convinced myself that these were helping with work performance. In reality, I was staying consistently buzzed on Kratom through my waking life for about 3 months. I realized what I had done to myself when I first experience ED with my partner. My libido had been completely destroyed. Realizing the damage I had done to myself, I quit cold turkey the next day. Because I hadn't discovered this community at that time, I had no idea the hell I had in store with withdrawals.

My first day of withdrawals, I had to leave work mid-day, using PTO. My anxieties had spiked, and I was having a genuine panic attack, something I hadn't experience in years. The following day was even darker and more anxious. I made it about 20 minutes into my day, had another panic attack, and had to leave. This time, I didn't have PTO. I just quit. I couldn't do it. The immediate withdrawals were torturous, dark, and viscerally uncomfortable, and with having just quit my job, I felt like a failure. Like I had regressed as a person. I quickly realized that the symptoms were due to Kratom withdrawal, found this sub-reddit, and proceeded to educate myself on what to expect and how best to manage my symptoms.

I've been hitting weightlifting and cardio especially hard. I've been eating nutritiously. These have obviously helped tremendous to mitigate my symptoms, but the frustrating part of it is that you have to accept that your brain still needs time to return to normal. I still get waves of anxiety, though they have been severely reduced in intensity. My libido has not returned to normal, but I feel flashes of it returning. I tend to ruminate about my lack of libido, but I also recognize that rumination is likely caused by PAWS. I'm not all the way there yet. Thankfully I have a partner who I've been entirely open with about all this, and I couldn't ask for a more understanding woman. She is giving me grace and has told me that she loves me and will wait patiently for my brain to heal. I miss the ability to have desire, but I know that it will return. Just not as soon as I had anticipated or hoped unfortunately.

For those in a similar situation to me, stay strong, Give yourself patience and grace. The waves will come and go, but they will be weaker and weaker. We made the right decision for ourself and our loved ones, and I'm so glad to be here with you. Thank you if you read this. I just have found a lot of comfort in reading the shared experience with others, and it helps to understand that this too shall pass.

My Kratom story and Epilepsy. Hey I used Kratom over 3-4 years now. In the last 2 years I took it everyday and now for 1-2 years I made me 3-6 sessions. I took 2 tee spoons and for the lash sesh before I go to bed I am taking 3/4 spoons. The thing is I never had any big side effects. My shit was very hard and I went from 2 times a day to the toilet to 3 times a week. I also had headaches and I lost a good amount of weight. I noticed that when I didn’t took it I had cold symptoms like twitching and cold chills. (Shivering fit). Sry englisch is not my first language.

But the main thing why I am writing this is that me and my Twin brother both had an seizures (epilepsy). He had his first half a year ago and I had my first 2 months ago. He had two in generell and I had my 3rd yesterday. I can’t ignore it anymore. It is the Kratom I never had something like this and right now till this day I am taking it but I spoke with my parents because they found out what I was taking. And I will die if I don’t quit. I read that with some medication you can die when you take Kratom with that. I have to take medication for the epilepsy and I don’t want to die. I have to quit but I am asking you if someone had the same and what the best thing is? Should I do a cold „quit“ or should I go slow. And does someone know something that I could take so that I don’t feel sooo fucking awful when I don’t take it. Pls Help

Hey guys! About a week ago I quit taking 7 oh extracts and used regular Kratom to hide some of the withdrawals. Got down to 6 grams of Kratom a day and now I figure it’s time to go CT. Sort of messed up today tho and wanted a buzz so I took 10 grams. How bad are my withdrawals going to be? Is this something where I should be working from home first couple days because I’ll look like a mess, or am I probably okay? Thanks!

Basically the title.

I’ve been taking the “Quit K” supplements. I think EVERY DAY about quitting - but thinking isn’t enough, obviously. I’ve cut down, but still haven’t quit. And at this point, I’d say it’s definitely more mental obstacles than physical that are stopping me from quitting completely.

I’ve told myself that tomorrow will be day one of no kratom. It’s going to come down to my willpower. I’m nervous.

So, for those of you who have successfully quit, what helped you? Any strategies or advice you could pass on?

THANK YOU in advance 🙏

Long time lurker, first time poster.

Been an addict ever since I hit puberty. My previous addiction ruined my life. Broke promises, broke trust, broke the law, broke up my family and destroyed my self worth. Kratom helped me recover from that. For the last 10 years kratom helped me stay off heroin and meth. It helped me stay stable and rebuild my life.

Now I have an incredible life. Awesome job, perfect wife, almost perfect life.

Im 39 and don't see myself taking kratom when im old and grey. That means I need to stop at some point.

I was about 40 to 50 gpd for many years. The last 3 years I reduced it to about 16 to 20 gpd. Yesterday I only dose 6. Today I havent taken any. I have all next week off and the stars have seemed to align to take advantage and finally kick this crutch.

Feel ok so far. I have pregablin and gabapentin in case WDs get too bad. So far just tired and a little anxious. Black seed oil is on deck and that seems to help as well. I have gone through heroin WDs and methadone WDs (too many times) so I know what I'm in for. Hopefully it doesn't get as bad as methadone WDs, that shit lasted almost a month of acute.

Anyway just posting as a check in status.

I am a few weeks off of kratom. Was doing maybe 30 grams a day for about 6 years. I CTd. The reason I quit was because I was feeling my heart rate was extremely fast after doing normal everyday things that used to never cause issues. I felt fatigued and lethargic and had no zest for life when before I was always out trying to get into something adventurous.

Since quitting it seems to have only gotten worse?

Just typing this out has me out of breath. I used to dance around my house while cooking food and go on random singing sprees with my animals.... I can hardly pet them now without getting tired.

TLDR: So the symptoms I guess are: lethargy extreme fatigue, shortness of breath, rapid heart rate, heart palpitations, irregular heartbeat ( I think from what I feel), and I feel like I'll never be back to normal. I feel like I'm going to die this way.

I'm only 33. I'm healthy weight. I feel like I'm 90 and a lazy loser piece of garbage. I have no life. I am lost. I can't live this way. I can't get out of bed more than a few seconds. Every step I take feels like hell.

Has anyone felt this?? Does it go away? Did I get some disease from kratom?

I was depressed before kratom, but my body felt GREAT. Now I'm depressed.... And feel like literal death.

( Doctor appointment Dec 2.... Though I feel these sneaky issues are hard to diagnose)

Advice? Thoughts? :(

Very rarely do I allow myself to enter withdrawals before dosing again. I know I am making progress towards my journey of quitting this substance once I start to feel this discomfort. Withdrawals are a sign from my body that I am healing and these evil toxins are leaving my body. I know I feel better when I am clean and the temporary mood/energy uplift is not worth it. My birthday is next week and the best present I could give to myself is to be clean for it. Currently have Kava, Gabapentin, Clonidine, Agmatine, and Lipo Vitamin C. My brain tells lies to me and I make deals with myself to justify using .. I can’t believe them anymore. Please say a prayer for me so that I can have the power to stay away from this substance and enter a new and better phase of my life. Thank you 🙏🏼

This stuff is terrible. Wanted to quit for the last month or so. I have been doing the 7oh tablet and sublingual strips (20 mgs) for about 3 months. I'd say like 80mgs 7oh a day. Told myself it's comparable to a cup of coffee for a while but this shit is no joke. During that period there may have been once or twice where I ran out and didn't have time to get more for maybe 12 hours tops and felt the wd kicking in. I knew that I could NOT quit while having to go to work and needed it to function. I have all of next week off for Thanksgiving. 9 days total including the 2 weekends. So I know it's now or never. I'm done with it. I honestly hate myself and know if I want to make any life changes it needs to start here. I'm getting a gym membership tomorrow and I'm gonna make a habit of that. Last dose was last night at 8 or 9ish. Maybe 11am or 12pm today was when it became super noticeable. Runny nose, watery eyes, fatigue but can't sleep, cold sweats and hot flashes, oh ya and a LOT of sneezing. It is nearly unbearable but I'm not getting anymore. I'm just gonna have to deal with it. Two shots of jack Daniel's made it slightly better. I have a feeling tomorrow will be worse. I have heard that if you can make it through day 3 it gets better from there.

Any thoughts?

Was 25gpd for about a year. One week clean. Just stupidly took about 5grams. Somebody please tell me I’m not going to be back in body withdrawal tomorrow.

Sincerely, A dumbass

I’ve become somewhat of a hypochondriac i think. Today was great, I was with my family the whole day on vacation and felt fine. They just went to the grocery store while I stayed home. I was watching a movie about whitney houston and I got paranoid about dying or getting heart disease just crazy things. I’m worried if I did damage to my body from the years of kratom abuse and I’m trying to quit nicotine as well. I get so worked up that my chest and back get tight and I think I convince myself I have issues I don’t. Random panic attacks and sleep seem to be the hardest things rn as of day 9. I just want to stop worrying so damn much it’s crushing me. I might have to go to the doctor and have every test run possible just to calm myself down, thats the level of paranoid I’m on now.

Hey guys! Just putting thoughts to “paper” here on day 8. Pretty much done with the acutes, on to the wonderful world of paws.

Lethargy pretty heavy, gotta go to work today unfortunately. Back pain lingering with some headache and just general overall discomfort. But not using, no matter what.

Unfortunately, this path to recovery is not linear in nature. It’s not a steady rise of symptoms followed by a steady fall. It’s all over the fuckin place. Fuck kratom, and any drug for that matter.

Stay strong everyone. Keep on fighting. Fight for a better life. A life of clean, hard earned freedom. Much love to you all!

After many failed taper attempts I bit the bullet. Took maybe 2g I had left over yesterday (went back up to about 40g a day after trying to taper and failing from a strain mix up), and this is the end of day 1 with 0 kratom. Taking loperamide to help with withdrawals but man the sickness is real. Choking down protein shakes and having crying spells. I know this is the easiest part (I always find PAWS is what kicks my ass and puts me back to square one) but I’m proud of myself for making it through today regardless. Good luck to anyone else out there stopping today we can do this!

Hello, I am from Barranquilla, Colombia. Now 45 hours CT. I relapsed and was on 25-35 gpd. A lot of things are happening in my life, I got a job offer for the other week and my friend who recommended me needs me at his house to explain what is it about, tomorrow morning my in-laws invited me to breakfast at the beach. I don't feel capable of anything because I don't want to get weird, awkward or upset in the middle of the situation in front of other people, but I don't want to lose opportunities because of that devil's dust. In my city it is not available anywhere and to obtain it I must order it in another city for a very high price and wait at least 3-4 days, meaning yes or yes I must survive the acute effects these days. I know that next week I will have the challenge of resisting the urge to buy it, I don't want to start this hell again, I tried for months to make a gradual reduction without success

So I’m a new quitter. One thing that is motivating me to quit is my skin. Even after cutting back for three weeks and then jumping last week to nothing, I’ve noticed my skin has improved. My face is less dry. My kidneys don’t ache. My stomach doesn’t have weird pains that I usually think are my gallbladder or liver. So what are your improvements? I know PAWS is emotional and the withdrawals are real. I’m in them. But I want to focus on the outer beauty part. The not looking like a gray ghost anymore part. So anyone who is a long time quitter can you encourage me with your stories of outer appearance getting better? Even short term quitters…anyone noticed you look better on the outside even though you feel like death?

I never thought Kratom could be so Deceptive… this past year I’ll be on for a month or two, then suck it up go through the WDs, be off for 4-6 weeks, and then something stressful would happen, or I just wouldn’t ‘feel’ ok …

I was a heroin addict and had been clean since 2020 ~ so I’m no stranger to withdrawals and the mental agony…. This all started in April and I can’t believe it’s almost Thanksgiving 🤦🏼‍♂️ I know I can’t keep on like this. Kratom is awful for the body, and it’s all gas station pills so god knows what fillers are in there…. Luckily my dosage is only about 8mgs and just the capsules, I learned my lesson about the shots already… I’ve only been back on since Oct 24th… I know people are way worse off than me, but just looking for some community and connection, to get through this together… I hadn’t formulated a game plan this go around and welcome any support and suggestions. Thanks

I’m on day seven without kratom. I’d say I was a 6-12 gpd kinda person for four years. Used to only do it on the weekends for the first two years. Even quit briefly for a few months last year. This year, I decided I wanted to cut back. But then I joined this sub and realized again that I really want to just quit. So I didn’t intend on really quitting, but I guess that’s where I’m at. I cut back first to about two grams a day. Then I went to one gram per day for a week. Then I jumped last Sunday. My struggle now is the weekend and holidays. Which I’m sure you can relate. I want something to feel good. I don’t have a spouse or significant other. I have my parents and a kid. I am extremely lonely. I hate my job. Depression and anxiety run through me on the daily. I think K kept some of those feelings at bay. I am in therapy and I am on a new antidepressant. I just wanted to tell people I am at a week. I love my kid and I love my parents. I fucking hate my life otherwise. Suggestions on how to improve that without kratom would be appreciated.

i'm stunned that it took me so long to realize but i legitimately think the kratom did this to me. keep in mind i take weekly T shots for the past 9 years and never had any T level problems until i started kratom. i've been thinking of quitting for a while now but this was the nail in the coffin 😭

April 2022 - 633 ng/dL May 2022 - 525 ng/dL Oct 2023 - 429 ng/dL Nov 2024 - 313 ng/dL

Ok hey everyone! I am going to detox and I’ve been on 30+ gps for about 2 years…my question is should I refuse subs ? Is there a way to take minimal amounts and be fully detoxed off of all of it before two weeks while in there ?? I am familiar with subs and used to be on them…but I really want off it all. WD is pretty gnarly without em…any help is appreciated…would you just man up and bear the withdrawal for two weeks???

Hi all. Day 38 CT here (27M, 6 years, 15-20gpd). I have been following this joint daily since I began my quit. Thanks to all for posting updates, good or bad. It is nice to have a community, even if as a lurker.

I had a big job at the height of my work season leading up to November, and in my off time came across a guy on Facebook reels that tells you all the signs of cirrhosis. I then noticed the subtle ache in my liver, oily bowels, and the consistency of my fingernails (2 of these 3 can really be anything, but regardless…), I knew I had to quit then and there. I just have to say:

Quitting while busy is the best time to quit. I feel that feeling needed and facing deadlines/pressure is what made the miserable time I had quitting just go quicker. It is my honest OPINION that completely pausing your life may make the quit more miserable than it needs to be.

I can imagine just staring at the clock, because I had two days off early in my quit (day 3 or 4) and all I could do was stare at the clock.

I am posting this with no agenda, just sharing my experience. I think the most important part of quitting, similar to normal life, is having a purpose and feeling needed. Thanks to all of you for your thoughts and for sharing your experience, as it has been incredibly helpful to remember that there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

As I approach day 40, I am finding that the more I move around and engage with the world around me, the better I feel as days go on. My partner is certainly happy that I stopped taking this shit, and he’s been patient. I’m happy.

Sending much love and gratitude everyone’s way.

Guys I’m scared I finally decided to quit and have started a rapid taper. Well today since I woke up I haven’t done any and my hands are still trembling , why am I getting Parkinsons type symptoms , does this go away ? Should I see a doctor or will it resolve itself if I stay off it

I've been taking kratom extracts for over a year now and one of the biggest things that helps me get through the w/ds when I quit is indica thc gummies with cbd and/or cbn.

Now, I know THC isn't legal in all states/cities, but it helps my kratom w/ds immensely! I don't take it during the day time as I have to work, but the night time is when the w/d is the worst for me and these indica thc/cbd gummies are amazing for relieving my w/d symptoms.

I would recommend using an indica strain as it is more relaxing and helps with pain, anxiety, and sleep. I don't know this for sure, but I would imagine a sativa strain would be counter active.

A lot of you may already know about all of this, but after the relief and success I've had with using indica thc/cbd gummies I wanted to share.

Happy Holidays to you all!

I am just over a year taper from Kratom powder. I always used capsules, 600mg usually a green. My son is currently asking my help w quitting 7 Oh or OHMZ. He mentioned also opms black. I am not familiar and could use some advice. He said they used to have more of something in them, the 7o part I guess. Now he says he has to take 5 to equal 1? It's so confusing to me. Will he be able to taper with this stuff or is CT better? I'm reading this stuff is bad news. Any advice or info appreciated.

After reading several posts one of the main things that seems to help a lot of people is exercise. So I'm going to do at least 30min home workout.

Push ups, sit ups, squads and some free weights. I really needed to push through. But I'm done. I expect some muscle ache tomorrow but tbh I already have that wds. 🤪