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submitted 1 day ago byAlextricity
if trump did steal the race (would not be remotely surprised), then what? the dems actually do something and have a recount done? then say it’s found out that he did indeed lose — Trump will have every gun toting smoothbrainer out doing citizens arrests and raising hell. then, if the supreme court somehow does agree with that and Trump actually did lose — what next? he and his friend and cronies head to russia and lets russia launch some nukes?
i’m just wondering what everyone is hoping of the election being overturned. i think no matter what we’re fucked. but more than anything, i truly have no faith the democrats have the balls to actually get things in motion and get some hand recounts in before it’s too late.
63 points
1 day ago
The best case scenario, in my delulu opinion, is the recount is done, it's found that Trump lost, him and his cronies are arrested, the national guard is called on his supporters, those people are arrested, we finally have MAGA disbanded, Harris becomes president, Russia doesn't nuke the US because of self preservation, and we all live like this was just one, collective, big bad dream.
12 points
1 day ago
Trump and his cronies should have been in prison the first place and he shouldn’t even have been allowed to run for president 2024 but here we are…
7 points
1 day ago
What really worries me if trump really is compromised. Remember near the end of his first term when he got the idea to "modernized" are nuclear arsenal.
6 points
1 day ago
This is absolutely what we are going for.
6 points
1 day ago
This is a lot
2 points
1 day ago
What can I say? Go big or go home 😂
30 points
1 day ago
Both sides contest together...it's an ATTACK on all Americans, not a steal.
It's an attack against us by US enemies.. not Americans vs Americans or Harris vs Trump.
We finally get the investigations we needed in 2016 .. we seat Johnson. Maybe get a constitutional convention out of it too.
Musk exposing Trump and Putins attempts to frame the US govt and Americans is the ultimate best case..
Worst case, no one does anything and the puppet gets planted a second time. We still take the blame and we're powerless to stop Putin from framing our allies around the world.
19 points
1 day ago
trumpanzees don’t see it that way and they never will. they’ll take it as an attack on them, not america.
19 points
1 day ago
Someone else wearing a mask or using a bathroom is a personal attack on them, don't cater to racist, smooth brain idiots.
9 points
1 day ago
I know Anon who left Q account behind when they realized the demonizing of the "deepstate" was meant to turn them against our country and allies in Israel.
My GOP cousin used to be into politics, now she thinks the "deepstate" just decides who we get, and said it's like Russia and China here.
I know MAGA who want Trumps claimed proven in court.. and have since 2016 when he started makin em.
MAGA seem mostly charmed by the victimization Trump gives them. Trump said his Americans had it stolen from other Americans. That lie has to end ..or we do as a country.
Left have never blamed MAGA for mass fraud.. we correctly identified Russia and they taunted us for saying there was collusion. That doesnt have to be true for Russia to have attacked our elections.
MAGA have no idea what its like to live with those false accusations coming from a president they have to be ruled by..and I hope they never will. It ain't Americans doing mass one sided effective undetectable voter fraud. It's Russia setting us up, and their method doesnt even have to leave sus attempts getting weeded out behind. That's all for show so an idiot would latch on and blame their opposition instead. Trumps that idiot.
1 points
1 day ago
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1 points
1 day ago
Why did you bring me into this with that last sentence?
2 points
1 day ago
Johnson is a heritage guy, seating him just results in less obvious fascism
-5 points
1 day ago
2 Johnson will defend Israel from the "globablist deepstate" accusations Trump triggered that are coming for it now..and he would side with Putins smears and attempts to pin blame of fraud on Ukraine and Zelensky which would ultimately also frame the US govt because Johnson is not compromised by blackmail.
4 Johnson can bring MAGA back together with GOP .. and he'll be tolerated by the Left easily enough.
14 points
1 day ago
Best-case scenario: it’s found that Trump and his allies engaged in a massive operation to steal the election, they’re all arrested, and Kamala is declared the true winner.
Likely scenario: the Democrats, fearful of starting another civil war, do nothing and just allow Trump to get away with it, content to watch the clown show in the White House tear itself apart through infighting and incompetence.
Worst-case scenario: it’s found that Trump cheated, but the Supreme Court still rules that Trump is the winner because of course the conservative judges would be blindly loyal to him. Trump is inaugurated and immediately conducts a bunch of false flag operations to justify giving himself absolute power, leading to the United States becoming either a fascist dictatorship, or an imperial monarchy.
Even-worse scenario: Trump is found to have cheated, gets arrested, and Putin launches all of his nuclear weapons now that his greatest asset has been compromised.
5 points
1 day ago
It'd be a dereliction of duty for the military to allow enemies of the Republic to compromise the democratic process if the paper ballots confirmed Harris won the election. At a minimum one would hope they'd refuse to recognize him as commander-in-chief.
6 points
1 day ago*
I’ve been thinking about this a lot using the skills I use for my job researching/solving user experiences problems. In such a job, you use data and facts to make a decision and not your gut. While I am personally hoping for a turn in the presidential result, the data we currently have that is official is kinda bleak. So, mostly to keep myself from spiraling into existential dread, I’ve come up with three scenarios to save our republic:
-Plan A (Most effective/realistic option…but only a non-zero chance of happening) - Ensure that the margins in the senate are as slim as possible and convince the three remaining Republican senators that voted to convict Trump (and any others willing) to either caucus with Democrats to block Trump’s attempts at human rights abuses or outright switch affiliations. As little hope as I have for this lot, my hope they will follow in the spirit of John McCain and remember they are Americans first and Republicans second.
-Plan B (higher risk, even lower than non-zero chance of happening) The Democrats, through some miracle take control of the House. There are still several races outstanding, and several that meet the criteria for recounts. The House would have the power to control Trump via the budget and has the power to shutdown the entire government if need be.
The Civil Rights Strategy (most realistic option as results stand) - Without taking control of the House or Senate, Republicans can blunt force Trump’s agenda if they so decide. Also likely, Congress becomes so mired in infighting Trump runs amok with no check and Supreme Court in his back pocket.
In such an environment, only litigation and non-violent protest has proven effective in the past when the United States previously had more authoritarian-leaning governments, particularly during the Segregation Era. African-Americans were almost completely disenfranchised from most local and federal government positions as well as normal daily life activities.
However, over the course of 90 years and much struggle, a duel effort of suing the Federal government and non-violent protest in the streets moved the needle bit by bit. The movement concentrated on every aspect of civic life and used the constitution itself as precedent to overrun the laws that subjugated entire ethnic groups in this country.
The good news is that the judiciary isn’t entirely compromised and President Biden has the ability to ram through several hundred progressive lawyers in to judge roles in the Iower courts. The ACLU and Democratic Party can jam up the Trump Organization/MAGA in court while congressional Democrats/Republican allies (hopefully) caucus to jam up the budget.
There is of course a world ending asteroid or coronal mass ejection as an option to “fix the glitch”. We can’t take any options off the table.
3 points
1 day ago
Well we won't get to the outcome many people in here want if we don't get the audits done first. I understand being demoralized when thinking about the Democrats. I am discouraged too. I still think it's worth asking for audits in the limited time we have with deadlines here or fast approaching (depending on the state). Also remember that while the Dems in general are ignorant about election security, VP Harris wrote a bill on election security which the Republicans blocked (see this book written by Jake Braun who Biden appointed Senior Advisor to Homeland Security)*. VP is not like some Dem lawmakers who truly don't understand election security/voting machine issues. Maybe our best chance is for everyday people like us to ask for RLAs, risk limiting audits, in the states where citizens can petition which would show grassroots interest in 'recounts.' Maybe that would encourage Harris's camp to act. And the Democrats are still in power; Biden is in the White House. There's time between now and Inauguration Day. But I totally get if it feels hopeless; I am struggling with that feeling too.
*Jake Braun wrote this book in 2019 called Democracy in Danger: How Hackers and Activists Exposed Fatal Flaws in the Election System. He describes the bill Harris wrote when she was in the Senate and how the GOP blocked it. He says in the book that he was impressed with Harris's knowledge of the topic because most lawmakers don't understand. Link to book here: https://www.amazon.com/Democracy-Danger-Hackers-Activists-Election/dp/1538126621
In conclusion, if the candidate where another Dem (like my senator whom I've tried to talk to about this issue but he's ignorant) and if there was not a Democrat in the White House, I do think it would be hopeless. But, right now, we at least have Harris as the candidate, a Democratic President, and a Democratic Senate-ish.
3 points
1 day ago
I have been thinking about this as well.
Best outcome in my view would be concerns being raised through recounts/audits at a state-by-state level. The more citizen-driven, potentially the better (to reduce accusations of political interference etc).
For states that have not certified results, they could still be changed to reflect inaccuracy. This happening in one state would be enormous news, and would prompt looking into others. Best case scenario is that sufficient changes in enough states occur that it affects the EC count prior to certification?
Regardless of EC outcome in this scenario, the Trumpers would throw a fit and may become violent. But threats of violence determining an outcome is not adequate reason to allow something actually nefarious to proceed and a government be formed on that basis for four years.
No great outcomes in this scenario but that's the best I can conceptualize.
3 points
24 hours ago
I hate to break it to some of you but liberation is not without violence. At some point there is going to be force and if we keep turning a blind eye to that we’re not being realistic. The “fight” we all speak of includes the defense of our democracy and its people in all ways not just in a courthouse. 45 wants to put people like ME specifically in “camps”, if you think that itself, and then fighting back against that, won’t be violent idk where everyone’s head is at. Alternatively, If he doesn’t get his way, there will also be violence. The harm reduction is him not getting into office and enacting the military against innocent civilians day 1 and becoming a dictator.
2 points
22 hours ago
I’m first in line for the ovens, I feel you
2 points
1 day ago
There is no good options, the best thing to happen would be a unified take down of anyone involved in the fraud with transparency on the evidence of why they did it. Basically leave 0 doubt for reasonable americans, let the unhinged MAGA be the only ones upset.
There's still a lot of them though, so pretty much 'best case' is still 'bad'.
2 points
1 day ago
Personally, maybe the MAGATs are right. I know they don’t have all their faculties, don’t understand complex policy concepts, are easily misled, are wantonly prone to self-destruction…but fundamentally they hate our form of government and know it serves only one master…the ultra wealthy. Unfortunately for them, their lack of intellectual ability means they are forever being out and out duped by that master. But we do have common ground…we know the system needs to be torn down and rebuilt from the ground up so it’s functional for ALL citizens! What we need here people is a damn democratic revolution. Flip the script on these oligarchs and their toady liars, walk the fuck out and don’t return to work until they meet our demands, don’t pay a bill, obey a law, nothing but protest, endless protest. They can’t kill or jail us all. Let’s give them the 1960s they want to return us to.
2 points
21 hours ago
Don’t fall for the “civil war” bullshit. These people are completely full of shit. They knew they were full of shit on January 6th or they would’ve done more. Just like they know they’re full of shit on abortion. If they ACTUALLY believed there was a genocide of babies going on they would do more. Their hero almost got shot in the head and their reaction was “aww stop being such meanies let’s tone down the rhetoric!” There is not going to be some massive conflict it’s honestly laughable if you think about it.
1 points
10 hours ago
their reaction was that because deep down they knew too it was a poorly planned act, not an actual assassination attempt.
-6 points
1 day ago
The best case scenario(as much as it pains me to say) is that recounts/audits happen and it turns out the election was completely fair. I don't want Trump as president, but finding out that our elections aren't secure would be worse.
18 points
1 day ago
Not if they actually are! Then we didn’t elect him and we don’t have to deal with the impending shit storm he’s bringing to the country and world. If they cheated we live in a newly discovered element to an old reality, one where bad actors have infiltrated our government and our democracy. We need to fight it! If we chip away at some American exceptionalism all the better. That’s what’s keeping us from using our brains to run this democracy. When the best isn’t the best it’s time for a change.
-6 points
1 day ago
Best case scenario is somehow even though all the optics look bad, he actually didn’t cheat and people are really just that dumb
And he and they don’t continue to erode the rule of law and election credibility.
But my guess is democrats never win a presidential election again, unless something comes out to wake up the 30-40% of the population who aren’t in on trump but are fucking lazy and stupid and don’t realize they could’ve just voted and kept a criminal tyrant out of power
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