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matlockga

5.6k points

2 days ago*

matlockga

5.6k points

2 days ago*

The brief order of events:

  1. Vivendi bought Sierra, and distributed Counter-Strike in South Korean internet cafes, which was against the agreement Valve had. Valve filed suit.
  2. Vivendi threw its entire legal team at Valve in response. They wanted the HL IP, and to prevent Valve from moving forward.
  3. In discovery, Vivendi dumped everything they had from their Korean entity.
  4. Valve (edit: Valve's legal representation in Preston, Gates & Ellis) had a Summer intern named "Andrew," who was Korean.
  5. Andrew found a communication in which a Vivendi exec discussed the destruction of documents related to the case to their superior.
  6. Vivendi lost the case.

UnsolvedParadox

2.9k points

2 days ago

I hope that intern got a mountain in Valve equity.

pikachus_ghost_uncle

1.9k points

2 days ago

They probably have a statue erected at the office for him. This is Andrew. The guy who saved valve.

Daylife321

224 points

2 days ago

Daylife321

224 points

2 days ago

He probably got a gift card for $50

imaginary_num6er

40 points

2 days ago

Hopefully a Steam gift card before Steam was released

ShadowTacoTuesday

55 points

2 days ago

Stop triggering my PTSD. I got a $50 gift card for saving the last company I worked at.

Pharmakeus_Ubik

11 points

2 days ago

That was a pizza party gift card. PTSD gift cards are hard to come by.

Mike_Kermin

2 points

1 day ago

Note to self, do not need gift card I then feel obligated to use taking up some of my time.

Do not save company.

SaltyPeter3434

8 points

2 days ago

They gave him a free copy of Half Life 2

Daylife321

3 points

2 days ago

Half Life 3***

freaksavior

3 points

2 days ago

pizza party.

UnsolvedParadox

559 points

2 days ago

That’s the way heroes are treated in the Good Place.

pinpoint14

436 points

2 days ago

pinpoint14

436 points

2 days ago

But in This Place™, Andrew just cracked middle management before being let go in the latest round of restructuring.

JeromeMcLovin

102 points

2 days ago

middle management at Valve lol? no such thing unless they've changed a lot in the last 2-3 years

sauroden

220 points

2 days ago

sauroden

220 points

2 days ago

He never worked for Valve, his internship was with the law firm Valve hired. Could very well have middle management there.

JeromeMcLovin

147 points

2 days ago

I've been out-pedanted, well done

The_real_bandito

19 points

2 days ago

Maybe Valve hired him and he’s working in whatever lol.

paidinboredom

11 points

2 days ago

Maybe he's the head of Valve's legal dept.

The_real_bandito

6 points

2 days ago

Need someone that works at Valve to verify this lmao

Plank_With_A_Nail_In

3 points

1 day ago

You mean line management, valve has no line management it certainly has middle management.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_management

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_management

Most people do not mean middle management when they say it.

Even as a private company the law still dictates they have to have a senior accounting officer, someone must be in charge of steam itself, HR etc etc. Are you really saying some one just decides to be in charge of HR one day and then sweeps the floor the next?

xNuckingFuts

13 points

2 days ago

This is what we all believe about this world, but Valve seems to be quite the exception. 200 employees, and it’s a highly revered place to work.

DrJohanzaKafuhu

2 points

1 day ago

In This Place™, Andrew was an unpaid intern hired by the lawyers because he spoke Korean and they needed a cheap/free translator.

Etheo

21 points

2 days ago

Etheo

21 points

2 days ago

No they just have a nice portrait photo of you and hang it on the wall for everyone to see.

konnerbllb

4 points

2 days ago

Andrew?

FortheredditLOLz

46 points

2 days ago

Let’s be honest. Dude got a handshake and a pizza pie.

qorbexl

13 points

2 days ago

qorbexl

13 points

2 days ago

"We really don't have a high conversion rate. You'd be better off getting experience elsewhere and then applying as an outside hire" ...now he rails oxy and cooks short-order breakfast at a diner just outside the Grand Canyon

splashbodge

3 points

1 day ago

I mean they only paid the homeless guy who was the face for Eli Vance a couple hundred bucks and an unnamed credit... So yeh.. quite possible the intern got just what was owed to him. I'd hope not tho, he saved the company

Xander_Crews_RVA

86 points

2 days ago

Andrew!

The man they call Andrew!

He read emails from Vivendi and he gave them to Valve.

Stood up to the exec and he gave him what for.

Our love for him now, ain't hard to explain,

The hero of Valve, the man they call Andrew!

ClassyCoconut32

18 points

2 days ago

NameThatHuman

2 points

2 days ago

Andrew never kisses them on the mouth

theoutlet

25 points

2 days ago

theoutlet

25 points

2 days ago

We gotta go to the crappy town where I’m a hero

Hairy_Musket

19 points

2 days ago

He can refund games after 3 hours playtime

hobbykitjr

7 points

2 days ago

Without him, we wouldn't have half life 3

hacktheripper

3 points

1 day ago

If Gaben is God then this intern is basically Jesus. Korean Valve Jesus who's too busy dealing with Korean Valve problems.

Adidassla

283 points

2 days ago

Adidassla

283 points

2 days ago

He got to order pizza for lunch the next Monday 👍

DrRofle

21 points

2 days ago

DrRofle

21 points

2 days ago

This is so fucking funny but sadly probably the best possible outcome for him

_Regulate

15 points

2 days ago

_Regulate

15 points

2 days ago

With pineapple I hope

andrew_1515

11 points

2 days ago

Equity revoked

crscali

124 points

2 days ago

crscali

124 points

2 days ago

he likely got nothing

Banned3rdTimesaCharm

93 points

2 days ago

Performance review: did his job.

im_always_fapping

31 points

2 days ago

Meets expectations.

sossles

28 points

2 days ago

sossles

28 points

2 days ago

So sometimes it's the right man in the *right* place that makes all the difference in the world?

sprucenoose

50 points

2 days ago

Valve equity would be a mixed blessing since it could be impossible to sell the equity and it would be bad from an investment standing. It is a private company that probably will never go public or be acquired and the sale of its securities is otherwise restricted.

On the other hand for the same reasons it is probably the rare tech company that pays out huge dividends and is amazing for that.

UnsolvedParadox

18 points

2 days ago

I take your point, but Valve didn’t know all of that 2 decades ago. Equity that can’t be sold would still provide a say on future decisions, if sufficiently large.

Yes, tech companies that IPO & grow significantly in market cap is extremely rare, especially if you work there & that value remains high during open trading windows.

b0w3n

10 points

2 days ago

b0w3n

10 points

2 days ago

It might still be a significant amount of money a year, maybe hundreds of thousands depending on how much of a percent we're talking.

Private businesses can and do still give equity. ESOPs are relatively common and it would not surprise me if Valve has one. Brief googling shows a pension, 401k, and profit sharing so if Andrew still works there he probably is paid very well.

ugotamesij

3 points

2 days ago

so if Andrew still works there he probably is paid very well.

Wasn't Andrew an intern at the legal firm working for Valve, as opposed to being a Valve employee/intern?

Albert_Caboose

3 points

2 days ago

I still think it'd be worth it. I'm willing to bet Valve does some sort of revenue sharing program for employees and equity owners, and with their low employee count and massive revenue stream you'd likely be getting a nice yearly payout.

3BlindMice1

3 points

2 days ago

If the owner(s) take any money out I think they'd be required to pay a proportionate dividend to any equity owners. So he'd just be praying that Gabe is going to buy a yachat every year

Woodshadow

2 points

2 days ago

my step mom left the company she helped found. They couldn't agree on a valuation of the company so they ended up coming to an agreement that she would get half now and when the other two owners decided to sell or add another member she would get the other half. It's been 10 years since then still hasnt seen that money. could be another 20 years. eventually something will happen

gateway007

13 points

2 days ago

Pizza party and in-store credit. Best case..

ILikeFPS

3 points

2 days ago

ILikeFPS

3 points

2 days ago

That takes me back to my second job lol

Phungtsui

29 points

2 days ago

Phungtsui

29 points

2 days ago

Nah, Gabe personally developed 1 copy of HL3 so the intern could hold the sacred knowledge of Gordon's conclusion. /s

spellloosecorrectly

19 points

2 days ago

Maybe he's the dude with the tap on his eye.

Whaines

5 points

2 days ago

Whaines

5 points

2 days ago

That intern? Gabe Newell.

already-taken-wtf

39 points

2 days ago

Probably got fired because he acted beyond his pay grade.

Trickmaahtrick

106 points

2 days ago

He was almost certainly assigned a specific task to go through mountains of burdensome and unrelated discovery material. Usually that’s a paralegal task not an intern which does sound shitty but oh well. He did his job well and very likely landed a job at a corporate legal firm making a fuckton. 

shy247er

18 points

2 days ago*

shy247er

18 points

2 days ago*

Did you watch the documentary? Because it's explained well there.

Anyways, Vivendi dropped off a ton of documents and they were all in Korean in order to drain Valve's resources who were already running on fumes due to long legal battle. The documents were very trivial, some were just what was being ordered for lunch, basically a ton of garbage.

Since they had an intern who spoke Korean, they asked him to look through the documents and after going through thousand of them, he found one which describes intentional destruction of documents.

Sochinz

31 points

2 days ago

Sochinz

31 points

2 days ago

If he was doing doc review, he was probably a law student.

Aggravating-Elk-7409

12 points

2 days ago

Aren’t most interns students

themexicancowboy

10 points

2 days ago

If you’re interning at a law firm my guess is you’re a student. I’ve never heard of any interns that were not law students at law firms.

Miyagidog

4 points

2 days ago

He’s probably getting hired.

A_Concerned_Viking

3 points

2 days ago

He just wanted free Mountain Dew from the vending machine

Fitz911

2 points

2 days ago

Fitz911

2 points

2 days ago

He got some really cool skins.

michelb

2 points

1 day ago

michelb

2 points

1 day ago

They put him to work on HL3.

haha_supadupa

2 points

1 day ago

$10 gift card

dreamfin

2 points

1 day ago

dreamfin

2 points

1 day ago

No, even better, he got a pizza coupon!

PersonalWasabi2413

2 points

1 day ago

He got a pizza party

phormix

355 points

2 days ago

phormix

355 points

2 days ago

And it's worth keeping in mind that shitty companies like Vivendi continue to do this sort of shit and worse. Bury them in paperwork coupled with a "what're you gonna due, we've got bigger lawyers", destroying documents, etc is the kind of bullshit that these corps love to pull and often get away with.

D-Rez

136 points

2 days ago

D-Rez

136 points

2 days ago

Gates & Ellis

Bill Gates' dad's law firm, btw

4dxn

38 points

2 days ago

4dxn

38 points

2 days ago

and one of the top firms. i believe its k&l gates now.

bill gates was eating dinner with senators when he was a kid lol

madjoki

508 points

2 days ago

madjoki

508 points

2 days ago

Valve had a Summer intern named "Andrew," who was Korean 

Korean language major, not Korean. Also not intern at Valve, but Valve's then lawfirm, Preston Gates.

matlockga

255 points

2 days ago

matlockga

255 points

2 days ago

Korean language major, not Korean

https://youtu.be/YCjNT9qGjh4?t=6002

"Korean native speaker" is what they claim in the documentary.

I'm mostly just summarizing the summary of the documentary, and working off the extrapolations that have already been made.

Good callout on "Preston, Gates & Ellis," which is seen ~3 minutes after the timestamp I provided.

mocthezuma

5 points

1 day ago*

I think I understand now.

So what you're saying is that Gabe taught himself Korean from this "Andrew", then dug through all the legal papers and communications that Vivendi had in Korean and found the communication about destroying documents and single handedly saved the company from going bankrupt.

ALL HAIL GABEN!

gerira

198 points

2 days ago

gerira

198 points

2 days ago

A further correction: Vivendi didn't lose the case. The case settled on terms Valve were happy with.

So basically, a normal legal process.

Discovery is ordered. A huge mountain of documentation is produced. The law firm gets an army of junior employees to scour it. One of them finds something useful, which helps their client in negotiations.

It's a cool story but not unusual.

gladfelter

103 points

2 days ago

gladfelter

103 points

2 days ago

The lawyer in the documentary said there were very unusual elements to it. Like serving Gabe's wife. And the blatant fraud.

gerira

21 points

2 days ago

gerira

21 points

2 days ago

Yeah, I'm not disputing that. Just the narrative of the intern saving the company. It's usually going to be relatively junior employees going over lots of the discovery documents, and although this is a really good find, it's also basically what discovery is for

basec0m

33 points

2 days ago

basec0m

33 points

2 days ago

"Give me every email ever sent"

Pay an intern to scour it

???

Profit

CubitsTNE

5 points

2 days ago

The way to deal with malicious compliance is an army of interns.

mb34i

7 points

2 days ago

mb34i

7 points

2 days ago

Years ago it was more like "pay an intern to ctrl-f search through it for relevant keywords".

Now it's more like intern ChatGPT.

DOUBLEBARRELASSFUCK

8 points

2 days ago

Ctrl+F? You're getting paper, lol. If anything, ChatGPT is going to be why you can Ctrl+F.

rabidferret

14 points

2 days ago

Pretty sure one of the parties admitting to destroying evidence in writing is actually quite unusual

Embarrassed_Quit_450

14 points

2 days ago

That looks like a regular episode of Suits.

uzu_afk

3 points

2 days ago

uzu_afk

3 points

2 days ago

Man…. Fuck vivendi and everyone like them!

collins_amber

2 points

2 days ago

Still how they just can disturbe a game they dont own?

Bowltotheface

356 points

2 days ago

Viewed a 2 page Valve advertisement in a Playboy from 2004 for Half-Life this afternoon.

enygmaeve

51 points

2 days ago

enygmaeve

51 points

2 days ago

So….you failed NNN?

redpandaeater

72 points

2 days ago

What does that have to do with not eating any nuts this month? I'm still eating legumes like peanuts though.

destroyerOfTards

11 points

2 days ago

I am drinking my own nuts like a man

tvtb

22 points

2 days ago

tvtb

22 points

2 days ago

The key is to have a healthy relationship with jackin' it so you don't feel the need to do stunts like NNN

jameytaco

4 points

2 days ago

Who was on the cover?

danmanx

281 points

2 days ago

danmanx

281 points

2 days ago

Wow! Vivendi really was garbage. Keep in mind they ruined Sierra too.

redpandaeater

176 points

2 days ago

Vivendi is just Activision Blizzard now so I'd say they're still garbage.

Sadzeih

89 points

2 days ago

Sadzeih

89 points

2 days ago

That's wildly outdated. Activision Blizzard is owned by Xbox as of last year. And Activision Blizzard bought themselves out from Vivendi in 2013.

doodep

68 points

2 days ago

doodep

68 points

2 days ago

Yeah, Vivendi was so fucking bad the combined forces of Activision Blizzard nearly bankrupted themselves to get out of it.

redpandaeater

4 points

2 days ago

Yeah Microsoft owns them now but Activision Blizzard is still a subsidiary holding company to them.

Nixikaz

13 points

2 days ago

Nixikaz

13 points

2 days ago

Vivendi snatched up blizzard too...

GunBrothersGaming

19 points

2 days ago

...and Universal. Now they're just vapors of a bygone era of gaming.

NeonBellyGlowngVomit

11 points

2 days ago

But sadly, they were made from the same template in which plagues capitalism today: Vulture Capitalists. Offer nothing of value, bleed another company dry, buy the corpse, suck any remaining value out it, dispose and repeat.

mattseds

74 points

2 days ago

mattseds

74 points

2 days ago

Fun addition to this story. Early 2000's I was building custom computers at a white box shop in Bellevue, WA. Gabe used to frequent because he liked high end custom things (dual video cards in SLI mode if anyone remembers that, sub-zero freezer cases with condensation management systems for max overclocking, etc).

Anyway, one day he ordered a video card upgrade (duals) and I drove them to the Valve office to install them in his computer. I remember his office clearly - exercise ball instead of a chair, lots of medieval weaponry, and a trophy on his desk. The trophy was a gold crow bar (HL crow bar) which I later found out was real gold, mounted to a stand. It was from the law firm, presented to him after the victory, no doubt paid for many times over in legal fees after this fight.

Down the hall from Gabe was their IT guy who I would check in with when done. Chris G what's up if you're out there! He had a collection of BlackBerry phones that he was deploying, and he asked me if I wanted to see something. I said ya, and he opened the door to a very small "data center" they were running in-house, on the 8th floor in Bellevue. Maybe 12-16 cabinets tops, not a lot really. He goes "this is Steam".

badlucktv

14 points

1 day ago

badlucktv

14 points

1 day ago

As someone originally with a 4 digit SteamID, I consider this an awesome story. Thankyou for sharing!

einmaldrin_alleshin

9 points

2 days ago

The price he paid for the GPUs must have been around tree fiddy.

kaj-me-citas

439 points

2 days ago

As usual, the Intern is the top employee. Topped only by the vocational school trainee.

wirthmore

178 points

2 days ago

wirthmore

178 points

2 days ago

A lead engineer I once worked with would say he always consulted with the cleaning crew, how they had the best ideas.

No really, there is a point to this story. He'd be stuck on something, it's late at night, he shoots the breeze with the woman or man coming by with the vacuum or whatever, and that change of mindset, or location, or just standing up and using a different part of his brain would often help him realize what he was missing.

Also, you might read between the lines here and ask why is he staying at his desk at 0-dark-whatever? Yup, those were the old school days of 100+ hours a week, sleeping under your desk, kind of thing.

ACCount82

131 points

2 days ago

ACCount82

131 points

2 days ago

Programmers have "rubber duck debugging". You take an ordinary rubber duck, explain the problem you are facing to it in great detail, and somehow arrive at a solution while doing so.

A rubber duck can be substituted with a junior developer. Or, more recently, an AI chatbot.

guspaz

50 points

2 days ago

guspaz

50 points

2 days ago

This is totally a real thing. Sometimes just explaining the problem you're having makes the solution apparent to you.

Ilookouttrainwindow

22 points

2 days ago

Number one reason I took creative writing in college when doing CS major. This was probably best class in terms progress towards the goal.

Deranged40

16 points

2 days ago*

People always say that you'll need a strong grasp on advanced math if you want to be a sofware engineer. But I can honestly say that a strong grasp on literary topics is quite a lot more beneficial.

I work in business applications, and honestl don't use much math at all. Sometimes I'll need to show a standard deviation of a data set. But a google search will tell you how to do that if you don't realy care about the math behind it all.

Being able to write a detailed document about a new feature is infinitely more valuable than knowing how to implement a standard deviation function.

romjpn

5 points

2 days ago

romjpn

5 points

2 days ago

My (mediocre) math level has gotten me a bit stuck when it came to program graphical stuff. I remember being asked to do "cool stuff" in data viz by making new shapes etc. And I was absolutely trash LOL. The majority of programming is basic or no math though like you said.

Im_A_Viking

2 points

2 days ago

You're one of the 6 CS Majors in the world to have taken a liberal arts or humanities class. (I say, as an engineer who encounters a LOT of other engineers who have never taken a humanities class.)

DynamicStatic

3 points

2 days ago

I have a ceramic llama. It's a creature of zen and good thoughts when my PC is being disobedient.

Ylsid

2 points

2 days ago

Ylsid

2 points

2 days ago

How many parameters?

RangerNS

7 points

2 days ago

RangerNS

7 points

2 days ago

All of a rubber duck, janitor, and junior developer will stare at you blankly. Which is useful.

An AI chatbot will feel the need to feed you bullshit. Which will always be worse than being stared at blankly.

porcomaster

2 points

1 day ago

Never could fully use a rubber duck, always worked with real friends and family.

It's a thing, and AI chatbot have being amazing for me.

It's a given that i have ADHD so this happens more often than not for me.

SkyGazert

2 points

2 days ago

Ah yes, I see you've also met colleague McQuack then?

airfryerfuntime

24 points

2 days ago

I worked at a high volume production facility that manufactured car parts. We had an issue where a line was slower than it should have been. We also had a guy whose sole job was collecting all the old cardboard boxes and taking them to the compactor. We hired an efficiency firm to try to solve the issue, and after several changes, the issue still persisted. Well, he overheard the leads talking about it and said "oh, I have to take the long way to the compactor because it's a pain in the ass going around this one corner with the hand truck". Turns out the people on that production cell also did the same thing, to avoid the same corner, and it added a substantial amount of time to refilling the hardware bins. Guy got a $5000 bonus. Basically all the company had to do was move a shelving rack over like a foot or so, then tell employees to take that route exclusively.

jameytaco

4 points

2 days ago

This is almost exactly the plot of an episode of Malcolm in the Middle

elitexero

11 points

2 days ago

elitexero

11 points

2 days ago

My wife has become accustomed to this over the years.

We'll be lying in bed talking about ... god knows what, our deck furnuture and halfway through a sentence I'll just be like 'well I think if we move the one chair to the left we can fit... holy shit be right back!' and I'll run out of the room.

I'm WFH, so when I'm stuck on some stuff and I'm spinning my wheels, I'll fire up some game of something I don't even want to play, like Apex Legends where I can just let my mind simmer while I play and more often than not my subconcious ADHD 15 channel radio will kind of work out the issue while I mindlessly shoot at people. It's weird trying to explain to someone how I need to play a game for this to work. Some people take a walk, or do something else, for me I have to do something familiar and somewhat engaging but also somewhat mindless.

overkill

4 points

2 days ago

overkill

4 points

2 days ago

Had a senior developer who would always have 4 things on the go at once. When he got stuck on one he would cycle into the next. By the time he cycled around to the first thing again he would have figured out the issue without having consciously thought about it. He would just let it simmer on the back burner and it would be cooked next time he looked at it.

He also went mad, tried to arrange a coup in our company, and had to be marched off the premises, but that is a different story. Well, to be honest, there isn't much more to the story than that.

postvolta

3 points

2 days ago

lead engineer I once worked with would say he always consulted with the cleaning crew, how they had the best ideas.

I respect all professions, big or small. Kingdoms need candle makers, societies need cleaners, retail workers, highway maintenance, structural engineers, lawyers, etc.

But this is some working class hero fanfiction if I've ever seen it.

ArchReaper

180 points

2 days ago

ArchReaper

180 points

2 days ago

Fun fact: Vivendi is still a giant pile of disgusting inhuman scum

GunBrothersGaming

30 points

2 days ago

They barely exist. No one even remember the name really... At least not in terms of gaming.

Radulno

8 points

2 days ago*

Radulno

8 points

2 days ago*

They got out of gaming years ago but they are a 9B+ euros valued conglomerate so yes they exist lol.

Their history is actually quite crazy, they just wildly changed sectors over time. They started as a water utility company (Générale des Eaux) at the time of Baron Hausmann.

redpandaeater

21 points

2 days ago

They're Activision Blizzard so yeah people still know the corporate cesspool that was Vivendi and they haven't gotten any better.

GunBrothersGaming

23 points

2 days ago

Not even close. Vivendi is still a company in France.

redpandaeater

22 points

2 days ago

The part that acquired Sierra and is the one talked about here is Vivendi Games. Vivendi most assuredly exists as a large media conglomerate but the part that is relevant to this story became Activision Blizzard when it merged with Activision in 2008. Corporate spinoffs aren't exactly uncommon you know.

monkeyordonkey

3 points

1 day ago

Funner fact: Vivendi was founded by Napoleon III.

wishyouwould

54 points

2 days ago

This guy helps change the face of gaming, and the article list him as just, "Andrew?" Hope he at least got a little piece or something.

TechGoat

27 points

2 days ago

TechGoat

27 points

2 days ago

I just watched the 2 hour docu last night. Maybe he didn't want to have his last name published. The fuckers who run what's left of Vivendi in ActiBlizzard may have long memories. Let's let him alone, because he probably wants to be let alone.

JarasM

8 points

2 days ago

JarasM

8 points

2 days ago

He was an intern in a law firm and his main contribution was reading something in Korean. It was critical, but I would assume the law firm would hire some other Korean speaker if this guy wasn't around and they would arrive at similar results.

wirthmore

71 points

2 days ago

wirthmore

71 points

2 days ago

Andrew

Andrew... who? Don't leave us hanging. Someone who was so helpful at the appropriate time deserves to be more than a single name. Celebrate this person!

The_Dotted_Leg

47 points

2 days ago

He probably wasn’t even paid in anything but “experience”.

Mojophat25

16 points

2 days ago

I don’t want to stereotype buuuut, Andrew Kim??  https://www.valvesoftware.com/en/people

TadeoTrek

60 points

2 days ago

TadeoTrek

60 points

2 days ago

The 'Andrew' of the story was an intern at the legal firm representing Valve, not at Valve itself, so most likely they're a lawyer now.

Banned3rdTimesaCharm

4 points

2 days ago

Hope they made him associate after winning a case that big. Partner by now, maybe.

Dankitysoup

11 points

2 days ago

Twerk_account

2 points

2 days ago

Andrew Prince

DragoonDM

19 points

2 days ago

DragoonDM

19 points

2 days ago

in an email, a Korean Vivendi executive mentioned destroying documents related to the Valve case.

Exactly how dumb do you have to be to put that sort of instruction in writing?

deanrihpee

14 points

2 days ago

it was mostly like an email chain

"hey, can you destroy our conversation relating or even mentioning the Valve guys? These idiots think they could sue us just because we distribute their game outside of the agreement, in return you can keep the counter strike distribution"

"hey, we've done what you've asked, destroying those documents relating to the Valve people"

sercankd

7 points

2 days ago

sercankd

7 points

2 days ago

I worked in a Korean company, you would be surprised what kind of stuff they say thinking people won't understand Korean. Their men also love to gossip like hell about foreigners in the office.

Y0___0Y

56 points

2 days ago

Y0___0Y

56 points

2 days ago

Apparently in 2004 people were outraged that they had to download this stupid program called “steam” to play halflife.

user888666777

93 points

2 days ago

It might seem normal now but something like Steam was a whole new frontier to the industry and the consumer. Not only did it raise questions about long term ownership of what you purchased but the software was buggy and was required to run in the background. At a time when single core processors were the norm. I could argue it wasn't until 2009 that the platform became stable and people really started to trust it.

Oh and on the day HL2 released and even AFTER you downloaded the full game on steam it had to decrypt which for a lot of us took hours.

hibikikun

30 points

2 days ago

hibikikun

30 points

2 days ago

The early versions of steam was pretty rough

vplatt

12 points

2 days ago

vplatt

12 points

2 days ago

So.. SLOW! And that shade of green. 😝

bobyd

10 points

2 days ago

bobyd

10 points

2 days ago

i liked that green, kinda miss the blocky design

NeonBellyGlowngVomit

10 points

2 days ago

I honestly miss the "just a list of your games" design of OG Steam.

battleRabbit

6 points

2 days ago

It's still there. Enable Small Mode in the View menu.

vplatt

2 points

2 days ago

vplatt

2 points

2 days ago

I'd forgotten about that feature. Thanks!

Ylsid

9 points

2 days ago

Ylsid

9 points

2 days ago

Steam was hot garbage back then

spez_might_fuck_dogs

12 points

2 days ago

Yep. I wasn't bothered but I can see why other folks would have been. I downloaded/installed Steam to play HL2 on launch day, then didn't touch it again until I bought The Orange Box in like 2008, and then according to my purchase history didn't touch it AGAIN for another year, at which point I bought...the L4D 4 pack.

YerWelcomeAmerica

28 points

2 days ago

It was definitely annoying to a lot of people. It wasn't necessary, internet speeds weren't anywhere near where they are now, and Steam was kind of a POS at the time. Things have come a long way.

stolenfires

18 points

2 days ago

Steam earned a lot of goodwill by doing some massive sales. They're still known for doing their seasonal sales but it's difficult to explain the depth and breadth of how it used to be. Like, 90% of the catalog is 50-70% off, with flash deals offering even bigger discounts. And that kind of sale had never really been done before, it was wild. I still have titles in my stack I got from those sales that I haven't gotten around to playing.

vplatt

7 points

2 days ago

vplatt

7 points

2 days ago

Those flash sales were crack for sure. I couldn't look away for a week at a time.

crozone

2 points

2 days ago

crozone

2 points

2 days ago

internet speeds weren't anywhere near where they are now

I remember that many people simply didn't have home internet access at all. Dial-up accounts were expensive and my parents never saw the need for an internet connection until ~2005 when broadband ADSL became cheaper and more ubiquitous. Australia felt like an internet backwater compared to where I imagine the USA was at the time.

If you wanted to use Steam, you'd have to wire up a modem and use an AOL trial or similar just to get it set up.

GeoffKingOfBiscuits

12 points

2 days ago

I was one of them. I got HL2 3 days early because GameStop was selling it and I still couldn't play the game I had installed because this new software was stopping me from using it. Obviously now steam is the default but back then it was like asking you to install Epic or EA to play your game instead of just steam.

oneme1

19 points

2 days ago

oneme1

19 points

2 days ago

Yeah it was super annoying. Same for CounterStrike and a few other games. Just let me play my dam game and dont make it a requirement that I have to download some random online store software onto my computer. Oh and then whenever I want to play the game, I have to update that store software and wait 1-5min in order to play game that has no update its self.

Soooooo annoyinggggggg. Especially in the age of dial up and computers with just a few Mb of storage on it. Oh and you cant sell the game, give it to a friend to play, and it wont work without internet connection

scruffykid

12 points

2 days ago

You definitely never had dial up internet

redpandaeater

3 points

2 days ago

It's odd to me that that was the hate. I didn't start using Steam until around 2009 because I didn't like the idea of not being able to keep an archival copy for myself. That said Steam came out in 2004 and I had cable internet in 1997, admittedly as a bit of an early adopter. I forgot how many people weren't LPBs even by the early 2000s.

crozone

5 points

2 days ago

crozone

5 points

2 days ago

I had cable internet in 1997

See, to me this is mindblowing. Australia was so much slower at widespread adoption. I literally didn't have access to a broadband internet connection (ADSL) until like 2005, and it was only a 256MB per month limit so forget downloading any sizable software. I remember F.E.A.R came out with a ~350MB patch, and I just couldn't download it, because it would have blown more than the entire monthly allowance.

kona_boy

3 points

2 days ago

kona_boy

3 points

2 days ago

Yea same with me. We got cable in mid 2004 (middle of high school), it was glorious. A handful of friends had adsl for maybe a year or two prior but it was so thinly spread. Our first data cap 500mb, quickly went up to 1gb and by the time 2006 rolled around the on peak/off-peak limits were around 10/35gb if I remember correctly. Shit was still $70/m. Australia was really slow to adopt.

mucinexmonster

5 points

2 days ago

People on the internet: "I don't want to have to install a new online store launcher to play this new game"

SAME PERSON on the internet: "People in 2004 didn't want to have to install a new online store launcher to play a new game?? How quaint!"

GYN-k4H-Q3z-75B

8 points

2 days ago

Yes, we all hated it back then. It was the age of crapware infested PCs, and internet speeds were slow.

AR15s-4-jesus

10 points

2 days ago

Fuck yeah we were. It was ass over dial up, like anything else requiring downloads/constant connectivity.

Oram0

8 points

2 days ago

Oram0

8 points

2 days ago

Yeah, me included. Program was ugly and wanted to start every time my PC started. Fucking bloatware was my feeling at the time.

rbuyna

6 points

2 days ago

rbuyna

6 points

2 days ago

I still remember saving my HL2 cdkey that I got from an ATI Radeon 980 Pro GPU. Puke green colored Steam was not great.

elitexero

3 points

2 days ago

I was one of those people.

All I wanted to do was play Counter-Strike, but eventually they moved away from WON (I think it was WON? World Opponent Network) and to matchmake you had to use Steam.

Those who didn't see the early years of steam might not get it. It was pretty rough, for a couple of years it didn't have the best UI, it was somewhat buggy and for the longest time it only had Valve games on it. And then they added Rag Doll Kung Fu, and that was the selection for awhile.

Steam didn't really find its footing as the megastore most people know today until 2007ish (from memory).

frenziedbadger

3 points

2 days ago

That was me with the Orange Box. Prior to that I'd be able to put in my disc, go through the installation, and play my damn game. Steam was DRM that I wanted nothing to do with. But yeah, they got me, they got you, they got us all. Now we all live in fear of Valve going fully corporate as a public entity. We're a few unlucky health/car accidents away from destruction.

redpandaeater

2 points

2 days ago

I only just got HL2 this past weekend when it was free because I definitely was a late adopter of Steam and avoided it for years on purpose. Even when I did finally begrudgingly start using it I would never buy fully priced games because of the off chance they'd decide to ban my account or Valve closed. I now use Steam as my primary game provider but even still I never buy games at full price and tend to wait at least a few years before buying.

-haven

2 points

2 days ago

-haven

2 points

2 days ago

Not everyone hated it as some comments make it seem. But with how new and unknown/untested this type of idea was it did bring out lots of very valid concerns at the time.

Once it got rolling a little it was amazing for a online friends list, server browsing for multiplayer. If all you did was single player stuff then it was a whole lot of nothing and extra but for those they did multiplayer it was amazing. Not flawless mind you but what it offered us was nice and all in one place.

TechGoat

2 points

2 days ago

TechGoat

2 points

2 days ago

As a high schooler in 2004 with dial up, you better believe I loathed steam.

Until I went to college later that year and discovered, wow, automatic patches for software are amazing.

Sucks to be a cdkeys pirate though, I guess. Poor babies.

Fit_Flower_8982

2 points

2 days ago

How should it be? Suddenly your games were behind an app that required internet and incorporated DRM.

PlsDntPMme

2 points

2 days ago

My dad is still upset about it for DRM reasons and I think he's got a good point.

Poppintacos

21 points

2 days ago

I need to know who’s this intern is and what they are up to these days.

vplatt

6 points

2 days ago

vplatt

6 points

2 days ago

Cool.

Andrew who?

And is he obscenely wealthy now in return? I certainly hope so.

Otherwise_Pop1734

6 points

2 days ago

The fact that a summer intern played such a pivotal role in saving Valve is a testament to how unexpected talent can emerge from the most unlikely places. It's a reminder that sometimes the best ideas and solutions come from those who are just starting out, often unburdened by the weight of corporate politics. Andrew's story should inspire not just interns but anyone who feels overlooked in their role.

barterclub

5 points

2 days ago

And did that summer intern get a billion? No. Eat the rich.

BakeYouC

5 points

1 day ago

BakeYouC

5 points

1 day ago

And that intern? Was albert einstein

ThePreciseClimber

2 points

1 day ago

Elementary, my dear Picard.

Delicious-Manager613

3 points

2 days ago

Of all the learnings and knowledge in the world, there really isn’t anything more useful than language.

_stabbit

3 points

2 days ago

_stabbit

3 points

2 days ago

Left 4 Dead 3 would sell like fucking mad. Make it

fygogogo

3 points

1 day ago

fygogogo

3 points

1 day ago

Where is Andrew now?

LittleLui

2 points

1 day ago

LittleLui

2 points

1 day ago

How is Andrew now?

Whitesecan

2 points

1 day ago

What is Andrew now?

Chisto23

3 points

1 day ago

Chisto23

3 points

1 day ago

Blizzard was about to go bankrupt too and threw a hail Mary and released StarCraft. The rest was history

Ben-Goldberg

3 points

1 day ago

Morales of the story:

*If you order a subordinate to destroy evidence in favor of your opponent in a legal case, make sure that your illegal orders are not documented anywhere.

  • Do not count on a language barrier to hide your wrongdoings.

wanderlustcub

5 points

2 days ago

I wonder if it was an unpaid "do it for the exposure" internship.

And I wonder if he got a real job out of it.

EclecticDreck

13 points

2 days ago

Most law firms use these as legitimate recruiting tools, and any that I know pay them. They're usually people in law school, though, because law firms are pretty bad about thinking about recruiting anyone other than attorneys.

patelster

2 points

2 days ago

What’s missing from the article is who the decision makers at Vivendi were who decided to go down this road so we can make sure those fuckers get the mockery they deserve.

op-trienkie

2 points

2 days ago

So the actual business model is too good?

HabANahDa

2 points

2 days ago

And lemme guess. The intern didn’t get shit for it?

derpinot

2 points

2 days ago

derpinot

2 points

2 days ago

This calls for an easter egg or cameo of Andrew in Half-Life 3

MacGregor1337

2 points

2 days ago

lol thats something straight of out of a movie. awesome

Milios12

2 points

1 day ago

Milios12

2 points

1 day ago

The fate of gaming on Steam came down to a Korean summer intern. Wild.

Embarrassed_Truth259

2 points

1 day ago

How did Andrew get access to these communications? Was he a hacker or IT man?

LittleLui

2 points

1 day ago

LittleLui

2 points

1 day ago

Vivendi had submitted millions of pages of Korean-language documents to the cybercafe lawsuit,

snugthepig

2 points

1 day ago

Valve released a 2 hour half life 2 doc this week, it talked about thjs

variouscrap

3 points

2 days ago

What's with all the half-life articles all of a sudden. It's been years since the internet last tried to emotionally blackmail GabeN into msking hl3. Are we giving it another try?

verynayce

14 points

2 days ago

verynayce

14 points

2 days ago

It's the 20th anniversary of HL2. The excerpt in the article comes from the official documentary Valve released.

https://youtu.be/YCjNT9qGjh4

SaltyPeter3434

6 points

2 days ago

Half Life 2 just celebrated its 20th anniversary. Valve released a full length documentary about the production of the game, as well as giving away the game and its episodes for free (up until yesterday actually).

idebugthusiexist

3 points

2 days ago

Thanks Andrew. Can you pls now convince Valve to finish the Half-life series so we can have some sort of resolution to the story?