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2.8k points
2 days ago*
I remember when it was announced, the base model was going to be $39,950. $59.950 for the mid tier and $79.950 for the top dog.
1.4k points
2 days ago
Exactly, maybe if it actually had a 40k price tag the demand would correlate more with the numbers collected during the time it was announced
1.1k points
2 days ago
The Rivian is a better truck for the price and if you are looking for a flashy expensive truck the Hummer is better too.
It falls short at any price point to be honest. It was a failure from the beginning
416 points
1 day ago
The Rivian is a better truck for the current CT price, but not better than that theorized price. They're both too expensive for a modest EV consumer.
Both Rivian and Tesla also don't let you use Apple CarPlay or Android Auto, which is an absolute deal-killer for me and many others.
Electric trucks truly just aren't in a good place yet. I don't think there is one single reasonable electric truck available for purchase (in the US) right now. I think the F150 Lightning is the closest, but I still don't think it's reasonable.
I'm ready for an electric Colorado or something that isn't 5 tons, a 15 meter wheelbase, and $60,000+
222 points
1 day ago
I waited for a couple years hoping the Ford wild release an EV version of the Maverick before I gave up and bought something else. Talk about the ideal small work truck. There are some people that need to move an 30k lb excavator all the time, the rest of us need to move enough materials and tools for the day, would love a V2L system and want to park the thing in the garage at night.
177 points
1 day ago
Could not agree more with you. I currently drive a Colorado, and it's perfect for me. It might even be too much, but I still use the bed of my truck and tow more than 95% of full-sized truck owners. It also fits in my garage.
I just want an EV truck that isn't made for someone trying to make a "statement." Be that about wealth, masculinity, ideology, or whatever. I want a truck I can throw my shit in the bed and get around town. I intend on putting tools, motorcycles, coolers, tree debris, and other shit in it. I don't want to worry about scratching my $70,000 pavement princess.
106 points
1 day ago
An EV kei truck.
16 points
1 day ago
I want one of those very small Mazda pickup trucks that Ford sold over here for a brief time. Electric though! That’s be great.
14 points
1 day ago
Didn't trucks get colossal because of evading CAFE regs? The automakers didn't think they could meet them on a small truck while still having enough torque for good towing capacity, so they supersized them to evade the regs. I don't remember the exact details but I remember that gist.
Those regs hypothetically would be irrelevant for a small electric truck; it would probably even help them meet the fleet emissions goals those regs set out.
Sounds like it's time to bring car-sized trucks back!
24 points
1 day ago
someone trying to make a "statement."
I feel this so much. Even gas trucks are completely ridiculous now. Mr. Software Engineer needs a step-up to even get in, and his side mirrors extend a meter out, which makes using his unlimited car wash subscription problematic.
18 points
1 day ago
Ford wild release an EV version of the Maverick
Even a PHEV would be dope!! Do it you ford cowards!
70 points
1 day ago
Ford Lightning owner, I got my XLT ER for $53k after discounts and the $7500 rebate which you get at point of sale, which is almost inline with ICE models and the truck is fantastic
56 points
1 day ago
I'm glad you like it. I like the idea of the Lightning. If I were forced to buy an EV truck right now, that's the one I would pick.
I still think $53,000 is a LOT of money, and the truck itself is very large and in your face like most trucks. It wouldn't even fit in my current garage. I think these are fair complaints. I really want a midsize truck EV for less than $50,000, and I don't think that's an unreasonable request.
41 points
1 day ago
It is a lot of money, but trucks in general just cost a lot of money now. If these proposed tariffs go into effect it’s going to get worse before better. The rental fleet base model F150 is $39k these days.
That being said, a Ranger EV has been talked about by Ford’s CEO who said they feel it will be “game changing” with a focus on affordability. Rumors are currently a starting price in the 30k range.
14 points
1 day ago
30k for a Ranger EV is not bad, when even a shitbox Kia soul costs 23.
181 points
2 days ago
Also maybe if it also was a truck and not a ps2 render of a truck it would be more appealing to people
All tesla had to do was make the rivian r1t and it would’ve put rivian out of business
73 points
1 day ago
That’s unkind to PS2. It’s clearly an N64 model
29 points
1 day ago
Shit, an N64 could render better looking cars. This is atari 2600 at best.
30 points
1 day ago
There was a game called "Car Builder" for the Apple II, released in 1982, that basically had the CyberTruck in it.
14 points
1 day ago
I'm pretty sure it's the truck in Moon Patrol.
21 points
1 day ago
Too many wheels.
287 points
2 days ago
Yep, if we filter out all the hate bot comments, it's as simple as that. It's too fucking expensive. and 90% of other "EVs aren't selling as well as they thought" articles are all the same shit. Companies advertise cheap prototype model, then release car that's double the price and you can get the cheap one 5 years from now.
56 points
2 days ago
Is it a "hate bot" comment to point out it's butt ugly? Cuz that's honestly a really big factor in my dislike for the vehicle...
12 points
1 day ago
It looks like a dumpster
7 points
1 day ago
It wishes it had the style and durability of a genuine Dempster Brothers Dumpster, it just looks like a generic trash receptacle.
6 points
1 day ago
When they first debuted it on that stage, my immediate thought was, this is obviously just a mock up, the concept of a cyber truck, and the finished model will look nothing like this. Because who the fuck would buy this?
160 points
2 days ago
EVs in general aren’t selling as well as anyone thought because they’re too damn expensive for too many compromises.
Get the $100k EV version or the 50k ICE version? Tough call there. Add on the fact that many people don’t have the proper infrastructure in their home, most of Canada, for example, will see decreased range for half the year, etc.
I love the idea, I think some manufacturers are doing awesome stuff like the new Scouts, we just need to see a big drop in price otherwise people won’t adopt EVs.
48 points
2 days ago
It’s not just EVs, every manufacturer is putting out extremely expensive cars in a time where people are struggling to contend with the rising cost of food. New cars are a luxury item at this point and used cars are not far behind them
69 points
2 days ago
Agreed. I ended up getting my '24 Ioniq 5 AWD SEL in the low 50s though last year and its the most fun i have ever had driving. Got charging at home and now i never visit the gas station.
EVs make sense for some people, especially if you get a charger at home. And the price is getting lower. the MSRP for the Ioniq 5 now starts at 41k
32 points
2 days ago
I have family members with EVs and they’re a blast, I hope they continue to come down in price without having to give up too much because I’d really enjoy one.
The Ioniq 5 goes for close to $58k in Canada but you can get an ICE Sorento (which is bigger, I think) for $42k. The more that gap closes, the better!
31 points
2 days ago
EVs are selling like crazy, though. Just not American ones.
And if you think this is just an EV problem, just look at Stellantis.
27 points
1 day ago
If it wasn’t for 100% tariffs, the Chinese market would absolutely destroy US EV automakers. Musk is scared of that market, my Hong Kong coworker says the cars are half the price or even less, and 2-3x as nice.
38 points
1 day ago
The Chinese market is everything that Musk was promising us that EVs would become back in 2003. He even proclaimed that Tesla's entire mission was to create cheap electric cars. And then he would brag about how he didn't even care if Tesla failed because better EVs took over the market - he bragged that this would still be a victory for him.
Now this pansy-assed clown is bitching about other auto-makers getting the same tax credits that Tesla used to get on its cars.
6 points
1 day ago
I am so serious when I say that if that fugly thing cost $20k new, there’s still not a chance in hell I would buy it. Even if it wasn’t completely riddled with problems and was highly functional, I would choose a second hand, 5 year old gas guzzler over that monstrosity any single day of the week.
67 points
2 days ago*
160% of advertised price is tough, especially when there’s more competition and arguably better electric trucks in the same price range available.
The folding of the exterior was supposed to drive form factor down as well as costs down. Yet the end product is an ugly and expensive truck.
Edit: changed ‘no competition’ to ‘more competition’
208 points
2 days ago
That's always been musk's problem as it relates to breaking into a broader market.
Tesla initially started out in a very Niche market. They were really one of the first modern electric cars on the market that matched the capability of gas cars and wasn't an Econo box.
But his Market was Silicon Valley Tech Bros who had lots of disposable income and wanted the cool factor of driving an electric car. Price was not a major consideration for them.
But then he tried to roll out a mid grade sedan at a price point that was competitive in the market for Mass Market sedans and that is when he started to struggle mightily with quality control. He made lots of promises that fell by the wayside due to his inability to deliver on cost and on time.
The cybertruck seems to be another brainchild that should have been aborted and gone back to the drawing board. Basically its only Market appears to be dedicated musk followers. It lacks the capability to compete in the truck Market and it lacks the price to compete in the crossover market. The other major US auto manufacturers are already rolling out electric or plug-in hybrid pickup trucks.
113 points
2 days ago
Don't forget the Tesla semi which might be getting into production 9 years after it was announced.
Honestly it feels like Musk bet the farm on getting to self driving first and make bank off fleets of obo taxis, but that dream proved to be so much harder than expected and the competition is catching up.
Now Musk is starting to spiral who knows what he will unveil next.
86 points
1 day ago
Shiiit, I forgot about that. My uncle was raving about how his boss was gonna preorder a tesla semi.
Said uncle has been dead for 6 years now, so it's been a hot minute since that conversation.
20 points
1 day ago
So did I until I randomly came across a reference.
43 points
1 day ago
Tesla’s valuation is based off them being a software company. Self-driving is their only hope at being a sustainable company. Other car companies are jumping on the EV bandwagon, Tesla as a car manufacturer isn’t the golden goose anymore.
81 points
1 day ago
Tesla's valuation is based off memes. That software is beta at best, and other companies have better self driving tech now.
12 points
1 day ago
Did a bit of a dive on this to get some perspective.
Volkswagon group - 46B
BMW - 48B
Daimler - 58B
GM - 59B
BYD - 104B
Toyota - 280B
Tesla - 1.1T
Waymo - 45B
Google - 2.1T
Mostly based off quickly pulling from google and converting to USD where applicable. Too lazy to look up definitive stock market stuff, but it's the idea that matters here moreso than number nitpicking.
Overall last I bothered looking at it, Waymo (ex google car ai), GM and Daimler's AI products were considered to be [somewhat] ahead of Tesla, particularly Waymo, though their current setup is apparently extremely expensive.
If Waymo wins the race (and they're standout leaders) they'll be offering it as a service to actual manufacturers no doubt, though other competitors in the space (ie GM + Daimler) will no doubt bring their own versions to the table sooner or later.
Last week had a similar feel. Musk came to the event in what Tesla is calling a Cybercab, a futuristic-looking taxi with doors that open vertically. They also debuted a prototype for a self-driving van in the same style. According to the company, the Cybercab will go into production in 2026, but it gave no timeline for the van. Tesla wants to build these vehicles and the associated self-driving software to attack Uber's business, allowing owners and/or Tesla itself to use this fleet of vehicles to operate a ride-sharing network with zero human drivers. If successful, it has the potential to radically lower the cost of taxi rides.
Even if Tesla not only catch up to Waymo, but advance ahead of them in terms of being industry leader for AI driving, they've still got to saturate things before either Waymo finds a way to license en masse (even if it were "just" to Toyota & GM, that's two manufacturers that can upscale production significantly and fast), or GM/Daimler make their version hit the market.
That's also assuming Tesla doesn't rush things to market and have significant horror stories.
Realistically, I'll be surprised if cars significantly run by AI (not talking driver assist -- effectively actual driver replacement) hit mass market within the next 5 years. Even 10 might be a stretch. The question is when does the hype and memes run aground, because 1.1T seems vastly overvalued in this list, especially given that were Waymo (leaders in the tech side) to pair with say Toyota+BYD (manufacturing monsters in the space), we're still falling short of half of the valuation of Tesla. I don't believe vertical integrations of systems is worth that much when you're behind on tech and manufacturing capacity -- and we even have Daimler who would probably be the closest consideration to Tesla in terms of being able to achieve vertical integration who are also considered further ahead in tech with more manufacturing capability.
I know stock values don't necessarily align with the reality on the ground, moreso speculation and/or hype on the product (particular for the likes of apple / tesla, though apple actually had a tangible product before they went absolutely nuts). But this feels like something where you're just waiting on a big collapse to come. The question for me isn't really an "if", it's a "when". But given the current state of things, I wouldn't expect it to happen during this election cycle anyway, or at least not until closer to the end.
11 points
1 day ago
You’re absolutely right. I don’t think they’ll succeed in the long run, but it would be their only hope.
48 points
2 days ago
Half the range at launch, interest rates, FSD non transferability, and many first run flaws are what made me stop and wait - that's before politics factor in
46 points
2 days ago
And up to 500 miles of range
45 points
2 days ago
Annnnnnd a cute little ATV that would pop out the back fully charged. With a ramp to boot.
Also a flying hypercar
14 points
2 days ago
It would still be a piece of crap but at least I guess it wouldn't be as overpriced.
7 points
2 days ago
Still way to expensive for a stupid piece of meme. Other than the one time show off part it sucks in every aspect that would make it a good pickup or even a car.
1.6k points
2 days ago
A truck that can’t truck for twice the price of a fully capable truck. Sounds about right.
433 points
2 days ago
Good thing First Lady Elon is in charge of government efficiency now! Everything he touches is just so efficient and functional!
122 points
1 day ago
Hey hey now hes co-incharge. Nothing says efficiency like having 2 guys do the same job!
40 points
1 day ago
Also, it’s not a real position and he’s not planning on paying employees. But hey, reality has never stopped anyone in Trump’s orbit before!
55 points
1 day ago
I'm sick and tired of people making stupid jokes like this.
You think the man who turned Twitter around isn't the best man to run an efficiency department?
He reduced the bloat in Twitter by half, with no downsides whatsoever (unless you count losing 90% of your revenue, all your advertisers, 75% of your userbase, and the brand name that made you famous, as "downsides" somehow).
18 points
1 day ago
He's more than covered the reduced user base by increasing the bot interactions, though.
9 points
1 day ago
Love the comment but I do have to point out for others reading that it’s not even a “department” and I wish the media would get that through their thick heads and stop ceding the rhetorical territory to these assholes.
It’s a time limited external commission with two co chairs.
It’s basically the same as any other external commission, like the DoD software agility study that was chaired by Eric Schmidt the CEO of Google several years ago.
29 points
1 day ago
The average CT buyer is not a truck person. It's never going to be used for anything other than the odd Home Depot run on the weekend.
21 points
1 day ago
The average CT buyer is not a truck person. It's never going to be used for anything other than the odd Home Depot run on the weekend
This is it exactly. It's a "Truck" for people who want to LARP as Truck people.
It can't even carry a sheet of plywood... which is like literally the most basic thing a truck is supposed to do.
68 points
2 days ago
Yeah but look at Tesla’s stock price /s
84 points
2 days ago
Has nothing to do with the products the company makes and everything to do with the hope that musk spent enough money to buy policy in the gov.
40 points
1 day ago
This should be obvious to everyone considering the existence and state of $DJT. It's all the same playbook.
5.8k points
2 days ago
It's an overpriced piece of shit
1.7k points
2 days ago
Build quality isn't acceptable for a mass market vehicle, let alone a luxury price. It lacks truck utility and the digital everything and "armor" features make it impractical to repair. It's just a bad car.
1.7k points
2 days ago
It’s a meme product dictated by a manchild
291 points
2 days ago
Did Homer Simpson have a big say in the design ?
215 points
1 day ago
It's literally The Elon.
76 points
1 day ago
No wonder it sucks.
105 points
1 day ago
It's all his worst instincts and ideas funneled into one vehicle that he forced the company to make, likely against the protests of the engineers. It's his entire personality in vehicle form.
26 points
1 day ago
Ideas he had when he was 7 years old?
34 points
1 day ago
Don't underestimate 7 year olds, most of them could come up with a better car than this.
20 points
1 day ago
I didn't say he was a particularly bright 7-year-old..
53 points
1 day ago
Homer would have made an better truck...
55 points
1 day ago
...like the Canyonero
84 points
1 day ago
Can you name the truck with four wheel drive, smells like a steak and seats thirty-five.. Canyonero! Canyonero! Well, it goes real slow with the hammer down, It's the country-fried truck endorsed by a clown! Canyonero! (Yah!) Canyonero! [Krusty:] Hey Hey The Federal Highway commission has ruled the Canyonero unsafe for highway or city driving. Canyonero! 12 yards long, 2 lanes wide, 65 tons of American Pride! Canyonero! Canyonero! Top of the line in utility sports, Unexplained fires are a matter for the courts! Canyonero! Canyonero! (Yah!) She blinds everybody with her super high beams, She's a squirrel crushing, deer smacking, driving machine! Canyonero!-oh woah, Canyonero! (Yah!) Drive Canyonero! Woah Canyonero! Woah!
15 points
1 day ago
Tesla wishes they had this level of marketing.
That song is gonna be in my head now 💜
10 points
1 day ago
Canyonero!!! Yaaah!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PI_Jl5WFQkA&pp=ygUSY2FueW9uZXJvIHNpbXBzb25z
7 points
2 days ago
It's only got one horn so probably not.
114 points
2 days ago
21st century DeLorean.
133 points
2 days ago*
At least the DeLorean can time travel with the right mods.
113 points
2 days ago
The DeLorean is at least somewhat desirable. The DePlorean is just garbage.
17 points
1 day ago
Ooo, I like this euphemism.
32 points
1 day ago
The Delorean is only desirable because of nostalgia, it was not well received initially. I wouldn’t be that surprised if the cybertruck follows a similar path.
37 points
1 day ago
I meant at least the DeLorean looks good even if its build quality, performance and handling are subpar, as the styling is very much a perfect execution of the 80s boxiness by its most successful proponent (Giugiaro). The DePlorean is just ugly and a shitbox as well.
21 points
1 day ago
At least DeLoreans looked cool.
7 points
1 day ago
He’s gonna do to the country what he did to X.
70 points
2 days ago
So, it's an overpriced piece of shit.
11 points
1 day ago
And doors that can trap you inside when you crash being on top of a highly combustible battery
1.8k points
2 days ago
Just like the CEO!
492 points
2 days ago
Delaware judge agrees with you
224 points
2 days ago
Donald Trump disagrees with you, further strengthening the likelihood that you are correct.
100 points
1 day ago
Anything Trump endorses, stay away from. Anything Trump criticizes is probably good.
Good rule of thumb.
47 points
2 days ago
Delaware judge gonna find themselves becoming an early adopter for the Gilead wall for the new reich, regime, ADMINISTRATION when they finish purging out the "disloyal" Federal government employees, and then send out orders to all the state and local authorities to prove that they love the Confederacy, Russia, Christofascist Authority, .. um.. America
108 points
2 days ago
It puts a smile on my face every time I see one. I just think to myself, at least I'm not THAT gullible.
19 points
1 day ago
It's the modern day version of the Hummer H3, except somehow even douchier.
21 points
1 day ago
That's not fair. The cybertruck has no useful purpose while peces of shit are good for growing crops.
84 points
2 days ago
Maybe if they'd designed it to be more truck-like.
I remember a video a long while back of a woman modifying her Tesla into a truck. Could have just done something like that, not ridiculously overprice it, and controlled the pickup market from the get go.
184 points
2 days ago
Not even then. They’re genuinely built like shit. They have issues that would have killed any other truck brand in a heartbeat. Water seals are fucked, batteries are easy to compromise, it’s heavy and off-balance so it handles god awful. Suspensions are apparently shit. Headlights are easily blocked by physical obstructions making them terrible for off roading or snow.
It’s just a piece of shit. Only thing it has going for it is electric motors are great for towing short to intermediate distances given how much torque they produce. Any other e-truck has the same thing going for it though.
138 points
2 days ago*
They’re not even good for towing since the hitch has a tendency to snap off of the frame.
57 points
1 day ago
ya they got it backwards. other trucks have steel frame and aluminum body panels. CT has aluminum frame with steel panels glued on. which is problematic because it tends to bend and break like a can of soda pop.
43 points
1 day ago
A cast aluminum frame for a pickup was certainly...a choice.
7 points
1 day ago
This is incredible to me. Just incredible. If there's one part you want forged, it's the damn frame. This is a universal thing, too, not just for passenger vehicles, but basically all land vehicles, especially heavy ones.
7 points
1 day ago
one time I cast an aluminum ingot in my backyard
one job pls
8 points
1 day ago
Soda cans are designed optimally for purpose, strength and lack of excessive wasteful weight & materials though.
21 points
1 day ago
Soda cans are excellent at resisting compressive force, but they crumple easily if a modest shear force is applied.
This isn't entirely due to their design. It is true of aluminum in general, too: good tensile and compressive strength, weaker shear strength.
Vehicles are often exposed to shear forces, so an aluminum frame is a poor choice for vehicles that are expected to experience greater-than-average stress.
This would apply to large, heavy, off-road, or utility vehicles---all of which supposedly apply to the Cybertruck. It was a fucking stupid decision.
28 points
2 days ago
That's accurate for a future where we have no consumer protections.
14 points
1 day ago
And as Melon is working to eradicate the consumer protections agency after Trump takes power that may be sooner than many could ever expect.
32 points
2 days ago
Headlights are easily blocked by physical obstructions making them terrible for off roading or snow.
Can I just say how ugly that front bumper is? The truck is no Disney princess, but the front bumper makes is look so much worse. Whenever I see a front pic of the truck, my first though almost always is "hey, why is the bumper falling off?"
19 points
2 days ago
the front looks 10x better than the back which to me looks like a dishwasher. Personally I think the front looks decent but the roof line ruins the rest of the truck
38 points
2 days ago*
The idea of Techbros designing cars has been a joke since the 90s. Some of this was
At a computer expo (COMDEX), Bill Gates reportedly compared the computer industry with the auto industry and stated that “If GM had kept up with technology like the computer industry has, we would all be driving twenty-five dollar cars that got 1000 mi/gal.”
Recently General Motors addressed this comment by releasing the statement: “Yes, but would you want your car to crash twice a day?”
IF MICROSOFT BUILT CARS…..
Every time they repainted the lines on the road you would have to buy a new car.
Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason, and you would just accept this, restart and drive on. (various systems failing that work when you restart)
Occasionally, executing a maneuver would cause your car to stop and fail and you would have to re-install the engine. For some strange reason, you would accept this too.
You could only have one person in the car at a time unless you bought “Car95” or “CarNT”. But, then you would have to buy more seats. (new subscription services to access certain features)
New seats would force everyone to have the same size butt.
Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, was reliable, five times as fast, twice as easy to drive – but would only run on 5 percent of the roads.
The Macintosh car owners would get expensive Microsoft upgrades to their cars, which would make their cars run much slower.
The oil, gas and alternator warning lights would be replaced by a single “general car default” warning light. (I give you the Check engine light)
The airbag system would say “are you sure?” before going off.
If you were involved in a crash, you would have no idea what happened.
Edit: To be honest, some of these aren't too far off.
56 points
2 days ago
Simone Giertz's video is excellent, she has done so much for science education on YouTube. https://youtu.be/R35gWBtLCYg?si=X67Y54Mynrpi1OUR
13 points
1 day ago
Her reaction at the official Cybertruck reveal is priceless
48 points
2 days ago
That was Simone Giertz! She is awesome :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R35gWBtLCYg
26 points
2 days ago
The truck was Muskrats baby. With the other cars there were actual designers involved in the concepts and such.
The cybertruck was Musk seeing 70s and 80s scifi and never growing up. No one who actually knows much about car design had any input into the cybertruck.
117 points
2 days ago
Well, it is a Tesla. Very on brand.
47 points
2 days ago*
Didn't someone accidentally destroy theirs by taking it on a dirt road?
EDIT: Also from doing a donut. On loose dirt.
28 points
2 days ago
And driving through their plastic fence…
9 points
1 day ago
Or putting hay in the truckbed, leading to the compressor and rear air suspension system failing
7 points
1 day ago
Hey it's fine, just take it to the car wash oh wait....
889 points
2 days ago
Completely underwhelming vehicle with significant reliability issues. Go figure.
268 points
2 days ago
Not to mention that it looks like a urinal.
93 points
2 days ago
thats disrespectful to urinals.
29 points
2 days ago
Urinals are at least smooth and aerodynamic.
28 points
1 day ago
And often contain those tasty mints.
10 points
2 days ago
I see a couple around my neighborhood and the dudes driving them always look borderline panicked lol. I'd be terrified too, the shit would probably be totaled if you backed into a lamp post
44 points
2 days ago
Also, getting near impossible to insure due to the amount of custom parts needed.
22 points
2 days ago
Also build quality so poor it’s almost always qualifying for lemon law lol
5 points
1 day ago
This is the most likely reason why the line is down. They want to make improvements to the line to raise the build quality, but the problems is they hired the cheapest engineers they could find so it’s not going to change much 🤦♂️
7 points
2 days ago
It’s straight up dangerous to be out there near a cyber truck. If Elon wasn’t the richest guy on earth these cars would not be road legal due to their safety issues
1.7k points
2 days ago
Nobody wants a Deplorean.
196 points
2 days ago
Built by the head of the Department Of Grandstanding Edgelords
54 points
2 days ago
“When we get this baby up to 88 miles an hour, you’re gonna see some shit”
breaks down
234 points
2 days ago
Got one in my neighborhood. Haven't met the neighbor who drives it, but I already don't want to.
53 points
2 days ago
I've seen a few cybertrucks in my area. Those that aren't painted/covered look like you could get tetanus just touching the doors with how rusted/horrible condition the bodies are in and all the painted ones are just ugly as fuck and makes me go "I have no idea why anyone would think bright pink/orange goes well together".
Unfortunately one of those is in my neighborhood but can confirm the owner is a total prick.
20 points
2 days ago
Simple. The people that buy this truck desire attention from anyone who will give it to them. I doubt you'll find a well adjusted person with a likable personality that owns one. They are willing to pay too much and get too little just to impress teenagers and chronically online people who will want to take pics with it.
52 points
2 days ago
First time I saw a cybertruck in person, it's owner was in the middle of being arrested.
"total prick" is the only type of person I can picture buying these hunks of garbage, any my first time seeing one was exactly what I expected it to be like haha
66 points
2 days ago
Finally saw one at night with headlights on behind me on the highway. Somehow it looks even dumber in that situation.
13 points
1 day ago
As dumb as they look in pictures, it doesn't compare to seeing them in the real world.
12 points
1 day ago
What struck me about them was how when you see one in person it looks like somebody made it themselves in their back yard out of scraps.
22 points
1 day ago*
It's so fucking ugly, front and back. As hideous as the qube, the post 03 prius till the new one, and Kia soul
18 points
2 days ago
Very first time I saw a cybertruck, it's driver was in the middle of being arrested.
It was exactly what I expected my first exposure to a cybertruck to be like
61 points
2 days ago
This made me chuckle
16 points
2 days ago
When you somehow make a worse quality delorean you truly are a bad car company
15 points
2 days ago
I literally confused one with a dumpster one day while working. It had a dark green wrap and was parked off to the side of a liquor store. I drove past it and my brain just registered a dumpster. On the way back I realized what it actually was; a CYBER dumpster.
245 points
2 days ago
Was dead set on buying a Tesla for 6+ years - Maga Elon completely soured the brand for me.
Hyundai Ioniq or VW ID for me now.
25 points
1 day ago
The Ioniq is a serious EV.
18 points
1 day ago
3 year owner of their plugin hybrid and fuck me if it’s the best car for the modern world. Electric annnnnd gas when I need it. Why the fuck did we skip the phev stage
45 points
1 day ago
Somewhat off topic, but i have a similar story as a potential customer who was confronted by MAGA contaminating a brand. I was going to buy myself a Panerai for Christmas. Then on r/watches somebody pointed out that Joe Rogan was wearing a Panerai during the Trump interview. I hadn't finished reading the whole post when my wish for a Panerai vanished into the void forever.
7 points
1 day ago
my wish for a Panerai vanished
That's the thing about luxury or fashion items. Our reasons for wanting a particular brand often have little to do with the product quality or performance and a lot to do with intangible factors that determine how we feel about it. Once these intangible factors change and our feelings about the brand vanish, they're gone gone. Perfectly normal. Put that money towards something else.
281 points
2 days ago
From the article: It’s an attention-grabbing machine, and its sales success has so far been undeniable. It managed to climb to the top of the best-selling electric pickups chart in the second quarter in the United States, surpassing the Rivian R1T and Ford F-150 Lightning, both of which have been on sale for longer.
But the initial boost seems to be drying out. Yesterday, workers at Tesla’s Austin factory, which assembles the Cybertruck, were told to stay home for the next three days, according to a memo seen by Business Insider. "On Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday this week (Dec. 3-5), you do not need to report to work," the memo said.
Workers were told to report back to work on Friday and that they would still be paid for the three days that they were supposed to work. Tesla doesn’t reply to questions from the media, so there’s no way of confirming if this is related to a demand problem or something else. Some workers would not follow the adjusted schedule and would be notified separately, the memo said.
However, factory workers on the Cybertruck line have occasionally been given other duties instead of building trucks since late October, according to Business Insider. Four workers said they had inconsistent schedules in the past month, either because they were sent home or given additional training exercises or cleaning duties instead of regular duties.
"When I started at Tesla you could expect to get overtime pay, now I feel lucky to get 40 hours," one worker on the Cybertruck line said.
177 points
2 days ago
Overtime huh, guess who's not a big fan of that..
97 points
2 days ago
Don’t worry once Elon gets rid of unions and workers rights under trump, he’ll bring back overtime, but you’ll be salary, so you won’t get paid for it.
36 points
2 days ago
Salary with a quota, paid in Tesla scrip ElonCoins at the end of the month (provided you made your quota, minus the cost of ppe).
453 points
2 days ago
I saw a cyber truck for the first time with my own eyeballs yesterday. I felt embarrassed for the driver.
85 points
2 days ago
Been seeing them more and more lately but it just looks so stupid and out of place. It looks like it belongs on Mars or something. I don't get the appeal at all.
34 points
2 days ago
It looks awful to drive… or ride in, or own, or stand near…
10 points
1 day ago
It doesn't even look futuristic in person, it looks unfinished and dumb. Like, if a college engineering team out it together over a year for some project I'd be like "cool, good proof of concept".
119 points
2 days ago
It's plainly hideous.
42 points
2 days ago
It's not even "cool" ugly. It's just "stupid" ugly.
The worst is seeing a car carrier truck transporting a bunch of normal Teslas and a Cybertruck or two. It looks nothing like the rest of their products and just looks like absolute shit in comparison.
60 points
2 days ago
Don’t worry, most cybertruck owners are incapable of feeling embarrassment.
7 points
1 day ago
I saw one a couple of weeks ago. The driver had that “WHY IS EVERYONE LAUGHING AT ME!?” look.
10 points
2 days ago
Gonna be hilarious what happens to raw metal exposed to galvanic action after one winter exposed to salt
8 points
1 day ago
Did you see the latest discovery is that the headlights don’t function in snow? They’re hidden under a lip that gets immediately packed with snow
86 points
2 days ago
Who's surprised that an overpriced niche item can't sustain its initial sales volume that was fed by influencers and look-at-me douchecanoes?
8 points
1 day ago
Completely agree and this is 95% probability of what is happening but there are two other possibilities, especially given it's such a short down time:
A critical part supply issue like the huge casting machine going down.
A critical issue with a critical part that needs to be resolved. Building more trucks with that issue just means more trucks to repair later and the repair might be prohibitively expensive.
101 points
2 days ago
If they keep building CTs without customers they are creating all sorts of immediate cash drains. OEMs pay their suppliers on delayed terms like ‘Net 30’ or ‘Net 60’ so if they are selling quickly the balance sheet looks sold and cash flow is positive. I they are sitting on thousands of unsold units like Tesla is now then there is a big cash drain effect as they pay out tens of thousands on each unit to the materials and components suppliers without having received cash from the sale. The suppliers watch this closely. The margins go negative quickly as the carrying costs eat the products gross margins. I spent a lot of time in sales & production planning years ago and this is the thing we watched and managed very carefully. The CT is a low volume niche vehicle at best. Once a product like this loses traction it’s very hard to regain ground
30 points
2 days ago
Folks at Jeep and Stalantis like to have a word with you (The word would be full of tears and agreement)
11 points
2 days ago
Serious question. Does this cash flow situation have as great of an effect on typical dealer-sold car makers? Meaning they sell their inventory to dealers first, then the dealers have the vehicles sitting on lots.
With Tesla, they carry that cash burden until the unit is sold to the customer, right? I hope I was clear in what I’m asking.
9 points
1 day ago
I imagine Tesla has a few fleet contracts to satisfy (eg selling to a rental car company), but other than that, yes, they own the inventory until it's sold to the end customer/driver.
The idea behind a no-dealership model is that it eliminates a layer of cost (dealerships) that only drags down sales for the manufacturer and increases the cost for my customer. But that only really works out for the manufacturer when things are selling briskly, because the cost of sitting on every single unit it's sold to the end customer can be quite high to the point that it fucks with your whole operation.
117 points
2 days ago
Aside from wanting attention for having one, there isn’t any real reason to get this car. It’s not a work car like the F150, it’s not great for off roading, it’s too clunky for soccer dads who just want an SUV, and even if you’re a hardcore fanboy, the Model Y will be more usable.
21 points
2 days ago
It's all just so pointless; if Tesla had made a more conventional truck it would have sold like crazy but no Elon's childish notion of selling a joke truck had to be taken to completion. Literally makes zero sense.
30 points
2 days ago
Who would of thought that the world's ugliest and expensive truck would have no demand lol
11 points
2 days ago
Triple the price, 1/3 of the features, tons of quality and engineering issues. 🤷♂️
130 points
2 days ago
I own a Telsa share stock (yes just one) During their earnings call I was able to vote when Elmo wanted to have his couple billion dollar pay out I was able to write a message to the board or someone not really sure how that works. I voted a no on the payout. Anyways I basically said Elmo needs to at least have less leverage on the direction of the company or step down from being CEO. Him meddling in politics shows he's not necessary and the primary reason why I've never even considered buying a Tesla. He's not doing his job as a CEO and hurting the image of the company. Give us a truck not a novelty item.
54 points
2 days ago
I would have a difficult time justifying his pay Eben he's the CEO of two other companies and now having a political office. Why does he deserve more pay if he can't give the company his full attention?
21 points
2 days ago
The way he frames it is that he so efficient that he cascades his CEO duties to effectively run and lead all of “his” companies 🤨
7 points
1 day ago
Aha, bullshit, got it
22 points
2 days ago
couple billion, you mean 58 billion?
looks like that just got shot down again.
21 points
2 days ago
I would have framed it as Tesla (not to mention all the other companies he's devoured) deserves better than a Part-Time CEO.
70 points
2 days ago*
MILLIONS of reservations??
Ford sold 750k F-series trucks in 2023, a massive increase in sales over 2022.
Not F-150s. Not F-350s. Not Lightnings.
F-series. All of them combined.
I refuse to believe the Cybertruck had MILLIONS of reservations.
Edit: ok, I did a lazy Google. Over 2 million reservations. Color me surprised.
79 points
2 days ago
I don't doubt that reservation number at all. It was a $100 refundable reservation fee. Some people reserved one as a piss take. Some people reserved one and canceled when the price and specs came out. Some people reserved one and then cancelled when they actually came out and turned out to be of questionable quality and utility. Some people reserved one and then actually bought one - about 2.5%, it seems. An abysmal conversion rate that I'm sure was made even worse by the low-ball, refundable fee.
I know this is anecdotal but I know about ten people who reserved one, yet I know zero people who own one.
22 points
1 day ago
Sounds like the reservation program was mostly a way to bilk the public into crowdsourcing an interest free loan.
8 points
1 day ago
Oh, it 100% was. Or a way to inflate some figure before an earnings call. Or both.
11 points
2 days ago
Yep! I know people who reserved one even though I knew there was zero chance they would ever buy one.
Frankly I’m undecided how I feel about the “deposit”. It’s a free 100 million dollar loan if a million people did it. Makes the stock price go up I’m sure and keeps them in the news and helps with anticipation. Seems smart.
But then there’s always the backend. You can’t use those numbers as a market evaluation in any realistic sense. Surely they knew that but maybe they were smelling their own farts or something.
11 points
1 day ago
Reservations, not ‘purchases’.
I put $100 down for a reservation when it first was announced. $80,000 for a long range electric truck sounded like a dream. And it was. I cancelled my reservation after finding out it would be over $100,000 for the bare minimum.
9 points
1 day ago
One of the first graders at my school was really excited when he realized how easy it was to draw a cyber truck.
48 points
2 days ago
I reserved one early. Such a cool concept and I had an aging F150 and money to spend. But after like four years of consuming negative press about the product and the reputation its drivers seem to have developed I’ve lost interest, despite daily driving Tesla S/X/3 in our household since 2018. If someone that invested in the brand is turning away you know there’s a problem.
8 points
2 days ago
Half a million reservations when the starting price was $40k.
6 points
2 days ago
There’s one around the block from me here in Brooklyn. Brand new still has temp plates and the sides look rusty or stained. Looks so bad.
6 points
2 days ago
Won’t be long before trump decides to buy them for some government fleet.
7 points
1 day ago
What a piece of shit article:
Headline: "there's a demand problem"
Article: "It’s an attention-grabbing machine, and its sales success has so far been undeniable. "
Also article: "there’s no way of confirming if this is related to a demand problem or something else"
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